Saturday, February 03, 2018

Carter Page Called Himself a Kremlin Adviser in 2013

Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page bragged that he was an adviser to the Kremlin in a letter obtained by Time that raises new questions about the extent of Page's contacts with the Russian government over the years. The letter, dated Aug. 25, 2013, was sent by Page to an academic press during a dispute over edits to an unpublished manuscript he had submitted for publication, according to an editor who worked with Page. ... Page is at the center of a controversial memo from Republican Congressman Devin Nunes, released this week. The Nunes memo claims that in Oct. 2016 the FBI improperly received court permission to spy on Page, whom Trump had named as an adviser to his campaign in March 2016.

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In January 2013, Page met a Russian diplomat named Victor Podobnyy at an energy conference in New York City, according to court documents. The two exchanged contact information, sent each other documents on energy policy and met several more times to discuss the topic, the documents allege. ...

Court records include a transcript of a conversation where Podobnyy talks about recruiting someone named "Male-1" by making "empty promises" about "connections in the [Russian] Trade Representation." Page now acknowledges that he was "Male-1." Podobnyy and one of the Russians had diplomatic immunity and left the U.S.

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Gee, but why was our FBI folowing him around? Just nosey I guess.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-03 09:20 PM

I'm just worried if this takes a turn for the worse, right-wingers will start associating the name "Carter" with incompetence and weakness.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-03 09:29 PM

How could this have been missed by the commitee of "one" Nunez. Apparently the FBI can investigate a little better than the accusers.

#3 | Posted by Neutron at 2018-02-03 09:37 PM

I guess that "bombshell" of a memo turned out to be as authentic as a degree from Trump University.

#4 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-02-03 09:59 PM

Gee, I wonder why Nunes left this information out of his memo:

"According to published reports, the FBI obtained a first FISA warrant to eavesdrop on Page's electronic communications during 2013. And they have been paying attention to him, on and off ever since."

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 10:16 PM

Tomorrow on Face the Nation, Gowdy undercuts Trump's conclusions about what the memo means:

Robert Gifford‏ @robjgifford

ON @FaceTheNation @TGowdySC disagrees with POTUS, says GOP memo has no impact on Russia probe.

BRENNAN: The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?

GOWDY: Not to me, it doesn't -- and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier.

MORE GOWDY: So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica.

GOWDY Con't: The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.

Rep. Trey Gowdy on the GOP memo, Russia probe Face The Nation

The South Carolina Republican spoke with CBS News' Margaret Brennan about a controversial memo authored by Republicans, the investigation into Russian electoral interference, and more

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 10:49 PM

So... even Howdy Gowdy doesn't buh-lieve #yomemo "vindicates" Trump?

He's due for a good twitter lashing, I'd say.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-03 10:54 PM

Notice how Gowdy is separating himself from other members of the House (bold mime):

The location of the retreat placed Rep. Mark Meadows (R) about halfway to his district in western North Carolina, but instead of heading home when it concluded Friday morning, he drove north to the Washington bureau of MSNBC to join Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) in the studio for Chuck Todd's "Meet the Press Daily." Neither Republican is on the intelligence panel, but both accused the Justice Department of improperly using a dossier financed by Democrats in 2016 as grounds for getting a secret surveillance order of a Trump campaign adviser with frequent contacts with Russian officials.

To hear Meadows and Jordan, that decision undermined every aspect of the FBI investigation into Trump's ties to Moscow. "When you look at the facts, everything revolves around a single source. A single source that continued to put it out with multiple people to appear that there were multiple sources," Meadows told Todd.

www.washingtonpost.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 11:42 PM

I never thought Rep. Gowdy would end up being a friend to democracy and the enemy of the oligarchy. Welcome to the team Rep. Gowdy. Putin's loss is America's gain. Donald Trump is guilty of treason and more people realize it every single day.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-04 03:04 AM

Gowdy has read the underlying warrant in its entirety, while Nunes and every other Republican, including Meadows and Jordan haven't. Many GOP representatives are setting themselves up for obstruction charges when they claim without a scintilla of actual evidence that the DOJ and FBI are somehow investigating Russia's incursion into the US 2016 presidential campaign without adequate probable cause. This is to ignore what every FBI/DOJ/IC personnel has testified to under oath to Congressional committees both in open proceedings and reportedly in closed ones as well. It is what Trump's own DNI and CIA heads readily admit, yet here we are with Republicans trying to criminalize the investigation of probable crimes committed by other Republicans and demonize them as partisanly driven even though the leadership of the DOJ/FBI is made up almost entirely of Republicans themselves.

Trump and his sycophantic followers are hellbent upon deeming themselves above the law by their own pronouncements as if a suspect claiming innocence is in itself grounds for NOT completing a thorough investigation. They are trying to place themselves above the law and far too many are acquiescent in this scam they are trying to pull to keep the mounting evidence of both their corruption and criminality from being definitively uncovered and exposed.

As had been said before, today's Republican Party is little more than organized criminal group actively subverting both the Constitution and all usual norms underpinning the citizen's belief in our democratic republic and its strictures.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-04 10:04 AM

This is the guy Nunes claims the FBI shouldn't bother with:

"I don't believe somebody like Mr. Page should be a target of the FBI, especially using salacious information paid for by a political campaign like this dossier was, about Mr. Page, and then supplemented by a news story that was actually created by Christopher Steele himself, the author of the dossier," he said. "This is outrageous that this happened."

It might have been outrageous if the unverified Steele dossier was the only reason the FBI looked into Page. It clearly wasn't. The Steele dossier was only one element of evidence against Page, and it is also likely the FBI verified the dossier's claims about Page before using them.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-04 10:55 AM

#11,
Gal, your posts are extremely good. If I were given your permission to quote you to friends, to whom might I credit your posts?

Thanks, and respect,
OWS

#12 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-02-04 12:55 PM

OK, Citizens,

It has come to this.

The Republican Party wants us to toss off legitimacy of a Republican lead FBI, while at the same moment, demands we embrace the legitimacy of Convicted Pardonee, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and disgraced Milwaukee Sheriff David Clark.

Riddle me that, Bat Man.

#13 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-02-04 01:09 PM

OWS, sorry I forgot to give a link for the Nunes quote in #11. It is from this Fox News interview, just prior to the 4 minute mark:

www.foxnews.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-04 01:35 PM

Yaeh Gal you're like the one student who gets their homework done during "study hall" while the rest of us play paper football.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-04 01:38 PM

Want to bet this came out because the FBI wants people to see the truth?

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-02-04 01:46 PM

Republicans have sold their entire party's credibility on a document designed to imply that the entire brass of the FBI and the Justice Department violated the civil rights of an obvious and self-declared Russian agent by putting him under surveillance. Was it really worth it? Is muddying a few news cycles and giving Trump the flimsiest of excuses to possibly fire Rod Rosenstein really worth what this episode will do to the Republican Party over the long term, and opprobrium of history that will befall every single Republican involved in this scheme?

This is a party drunk driving through history, compounding one shortsighted reckless action on another and hoping none of it catches up with them. It will, and when the bill comes due it will be big. David Atkins

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-04 06:08 PM

#17

This memo didn't give the occasionally delusional Donald Trump the impetus he needed to fire Rosenstein and get to Mueller.

Mockery is like garlic to Donald. Does'nt mean he won't fire these people eventually. He has to if he doesn't want prison.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-04 06:54 PM

This has to be the biggest own goal in history, and the supposed librul media hasn't even gotten around to the now immutable facts:

1. The Trump Administration, most importantly the President himself, has now accused the US Department of Justice and the FBI for abusing the FISA warrant process based on the use of a specific source of evidence while at the same time using as their example a self-admitted "Kremlin advisor." So by their own example's admission, the Trump campaign had a "Kremlin advisor" inside their team, which proves that there was a person with direct contact with the Russians on Trump's campaign.

2. And it was wrong for the FBI to use these existent facts and others already known long before the Steele dossier was ever compiled to acquire the legal rights to surveil Carter Page after he made another trip to Russia in July of 2016 to speak positively about Russian interests and negatively about stated US policy positions regarding Russia, along with his contacts in 2013 with later-convicted Russian spies caught on surveillance speaking of turning him into an asset?

3. The real scandal here would have been if US law enforcement and counterintelligence wasn't keeping tabs on Carter Page precisely because of his known history and self admission as an informal Kremlin advisor. So just how and why is the government's conduct even an issue here (when four separate FISA judges authorized surveillance with each subsequent 90 day extension being based upon fruitful information coming from each prior approval as the standard for authorization of another 90 days) if not to distract from the more damning reality of putting two and two together as it regards Carter Page's own admissions and their implications as matters of fact, proving a "Kremlin advisor" was indeed a part of Trump's presidential policy team until he was forced to step away some time later?

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-04 11:29 PM

Russia spies, GOP lies.

#20 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-05 12:39 AM

If you're starting to think Republicans haven't fully thought through their entire gambit, you're not the only one. The same year in which Carter identified himself in writing as an adviser to the Kremlin, he was targeted by a Russian spy ring, drawing FBI scrutiny.

Six months after the spy ring was broken up – resulting in multiple criminal convictions – Page joined the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser, despite having no apparent qualifications for the job. A few months later, Page, newly identified by Trump as someone who had the Republican candidate's ear on matters related to international affairs, traveled to Russia, met with prominent officials, and denounced U.S. sanctions against the Putin government.

It was the sort of thing that was likely to capture the interest of U.S. counter-intelligence officials – and that's exactly what happened: In fact, Page was suspected as a possible agent of a foreign adversary.

Then Trump won the election, at which point, Page went back to Moscow for another visit, during which time he again met with leading Russian officials.

Remember, according to House Republicans, somebody like Mr. Page shouldn't be the subject of FBI scrutiny. This isn't just some random thought, either – it's the cornerstone of the entire pro-Trump effort to undermine the federal investigation into the Russia scandal.

I still think the better question is why Trump brought on a suspected Russian agent as a foreign policy adviser for reasons no one in Trump World has yet explained. Steve Benen

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-05 09:34 AM

What is it Republicans don't get about what the FBI's job is. Surveillance of Russian Spy rings is what they do.

If you don't want to be investigated by the FBI quit hanging around with (or even worse hiring) Russian spies.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-05 12:05 PM

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