Saturday, February 03, 2018

Friendly reminder: the FBI is not the good guys

Today marks the 45th anniversary of the death of Black Panther leader Fred Hampton. On December 4, 1969, Chicago police raided Hampton's apartment and shot and killed him in his bed. He was just 21 years old. Black Panther leader Mark Clark was also killed in the raid. While authorities claimed the Panthers had opened fire on the police who were there to serve a search warrant for weapons, evidence later emerged that told a very different story: that the FBI, the Cook County State's Attorney's Office and the Chicago police conspired to assassinate Fred Hampton. In this 2009 interview from the Democracy Now! archive, Amy Goodman and Juan González speak with attorney Jeffrey Haas, author of The Assassination of Fred Hampton: How the FBI and the Chicago Police Murdered a Black Panther.

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The FBI are the good guys.

Sometimes things go wrong and real people undeservedly get hurt or even killed -- fix the problems, that's the answer when things go wrong.

But law enforcement are the good guys, period.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 11:20 AM

"The FBI were good folks when the murdered American citizens, but keeping an investigation going on one who had been under investigation for years is over the line, not to mention a criminal act."

-- every republican.

#2 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-02-03 11:24 AM

#2 they're only the good guys when they're investigating or killing "those people".

They're not supposed to bother rich white guys.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-03 11:36 AM

#1

No.

You're deluded.

Look into the history of government destroying citizens that don't play along.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-03 11:48 AM

You're deluded.

Look into the history of government destroying citizens that don't play along.

#4 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

You're blind.

I appropriately qualified what I said.

You can re-read it if you like.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 11:56 AM

I read it again. I don't believe it. History proves it wrong.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-03 12:05 PM

I read it again. I don't believe it. History proves it wrong.

#6 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

What I'm saying is a conservative argument. Your profile says you're a conservative.

Historically speaking, the FBI was ran be a power hungry transvestite for decades -- that still doesn't take away that the rank-and-file are the good guys who keep us all safe.

You're also forgetting that Deep Throat (Mark Felt) was one of the overwhelmingly number of good guys who are honorable and who does the right thing.

You're just dwelling on those high profile episodes that go awry -- and I'm not excusing those episodes that awry, they need to be fixed.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 12:16 PM

I believe that the majority of the rank and file in the FBI are good, unfortunately it appears that some of those at the top are/were not impartial a political hacks.

#8 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-02-03 12:35 PM

that still doesn't take away that the rank-and-file are the good guys who keep us all safe.

Bears repeating.

I have met dozens of FBI agents over the years and they are all amazing people. Any large organization is going to have a few bad apples and the FBI is no exception (it currently employs 35,000) but for the most part the FBI is probably on of the most respected law enforcement agencies in the world.

People tend to revert back to JEH (who was a baaaad man) when they want to bash the FBI, which is fair as a historical example of overarching abuse of power but today's FBI, while still a political animal, has taken long steps away from that legacy.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-03 12:45 PM

Waaaay back in September, 2016, when the WashPo was trying to get Hillary elected, they published an article called "Five Myths about the FBI" in which they discuss the fact that the FBI, while trying to distance themselves from the JEH days is and always be a political animal. It is a decent read, even though they call the FBI "Trumpland" when trying to argue that the FBI isn't trying to help Hillary.

In typical WashPo fashion, they completely forget about this opinion piece when they come unglued after Comey (actually Strock) resurrects the email investigation in late October, 2016, but that is another story.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-03 12:52 PM

Damn spell correct: Strock=Strzok

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-03 12:53 PM

#8 you mean you believe what you've been told to believe.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-03 01:10 PM

#7 Yes. I completely agree with you now. Some level of mistrust is important. Great power comes with great responsibility. If someone has the power to take away your life, they should be put up for greater scrutiny.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-03 01:11 PM

The FBI was probably never the "good guys." However, politically they would never have been considered as "liberals." The idea that they favored Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump is ridiculous and anyone trying to push that idea should be laughed out of the house, out of this site. That is utter bull ---- being pushed by Trump because it helps him defend himself for the CRIMES he committed colluding with Russian agents which Mueller is busy proving. My guess is that Mueller has already proved that but is also busy PROVING that he did money laudering for the Russian mob and that prosecution will come from the state of New York so that Mr. Trump's pardon power will not be available. Trump is going down, one way or the other, he is the first gangster president and let's hope he's the last. BTW, his kids are truly sickening, he'd have more popularity if he kicked them all out of the WH and his businesses too. It isn't as if any of them are competent so give tehm a million or so and tell those idiots to go live on vacation for the rest of their lives.
Melania? I hope she divorces that creep and lives in Trump Tower, in luxury, on his money forever.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-03 01:22 PM

Great power comes with great responsibility. If someone has the power to take away your life, they should be put up for greater scrutiny.

Totally agree -- and I think that Radley Balko's book 'Rise of the Warrior Cop' is a must read.

#15 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 01:22 PM

Some level of mistrust is important.

Totally agree.

... if it suits their purposes, people are gonna lie in court. The police do it all the time. All the time. Yes they do. It's part of their job to protect, to serve, and to commit perjury whenever it supports the state's case.

-- George Carlin


And I even agree with the master himself, George Carlin.

Law enforcement are the good guys, but they're far from perfect and they're supposed to be always working for -- and earning -- the public's trust.

If someone tells me that in their community the police haven't earned their trust, well, I'll believe them -- we're way too militarized as a country, and law enforcement are at the forefront of being unnecessarily equipped with military hardware.

The police need less APC's and assault rifles, and more transparency and good old fashioned walking the beat.

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 01:37 PM

Friendly reminder, money launderers for the Russian mob are definitely not the good guys. Serial fraudsters are not the good guys. Compulsive liars are not the good guys.

#17 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-03 03:54 PM

The FBI has been considered a politically conservative institution since at least Hoover... well, until they started investigating the Der Fuehrer Trumpen.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-03 03:59 PM

In typical WashPo fashion, they completely forget about this opinion piece when they...
#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Interesting thing about opinions, they change, are swayed, and don't always reflect reality.

It's why news sucks. It's all become opinion pieces.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-02-03 04:00 PM

It's why news sucks. It's all become opinion pieces.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-02-03 04:00 PM

Deserved NW, well done.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-03 04:12 PM

Former Hippies Put in Horrible Position of Rooting for F.B.I.

"Donald Trump has wrecked America's standing around the world, spread misogyny and bigotry, ravaged the environment, and endorsed a child molester," Carol said. "But making people like us support the F.B.I. is the most unforgivable thing he's done."

www.newyorker.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 04:54 PM

It's all become opinion pieces.
19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Don't try to tell Doc and Zed that.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-02-03 05:04 PM

#22
God willing, we'll have indictments, trials, and convictions. Then the opinion pieces will be on the nature of evil, and what evil people feel when they are finally held to account.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-03 05:09 PM

"The concept of Law Enforcement is good for society, the fact that the application of that concept is a failure is irrelevant."
-Pinchy

#24 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-02-03 06:01 PM

The FBI is like a hooker at church. How she's treated by others is heavily dependent upon what she's doing at the time.

#410 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2018-02-03 02:11 PM | FLAG:

Same applies here

#25 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-03 06:21 PM

"The concept of Law Enforcement is good for society, the fact that the application of that concept is a failure is irrelevant."
-Pinchy

I don't have a problem saying, for example, that I support BLM while also saying that I think everyday day law enforcement types are honorable who are simply trying to do a good job.

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 06:26 PM

What's not love about an extra-constitutional politicized national police force that answers to no one.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-02-03 06:27 PM

What's not love about an extra-constitutional politicized national police force that answers to no one.

#27 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT

Be honest, before they were up your lord and personal savior's *** like a rocket you loved licking them boots.

Like a good bootlicker you laid there pissing your pants thinking "one day this boot in my mouth will be mine!"

#28 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-02-03 06:32 PM

What's not love about an extra-constitutional politicized national police force that answers to no one.

#27 | POSTED BY VISITOR

What you're saying is there's nothing that Republicans will policitize, and with Trump NOTHING is scared from being contaminated from his grubby reverse midas touch. The combination of the two is wrecking the country.

#29 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 06:39 PM

I think everyday day law enforcement types are honorable who are simply trying to do a good job.
#26 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2018-02-03 06:26 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, until you question them and stand up for your constitutional rights, that's where it gets hairy. The ------ are doing "no refusal weekends" here. They strap you down and draw your blood on "suspicion" of impaired driving. I'm no fan of drunk drivers but that's extreme.

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-03 06:39 PM

Yeah, until you question them and stand up for your constitutional rights, that's where it gets hairy. The -------- are doing "no refusal weekends" here. They strap you down and draw your blood on "suspicion" of impaired driving. I'm no fan of drunk drivers but that's extreme.

#30 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

A quick search of 'no refusal weekends' tells me that that's something I'm against.

I suppose what I'm saying is that I don't view law enforcement (FBI, local police, even intel agencies) and their bad apples and institutional problems and those rank-and-file trying to do the right thing as a zero sum situation.

#31 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-03 06:55 PM

I hear you Pinch, but when they compromise and become henchmen for the state, they're all bad apples to me. I don't buy the "I'm just doing my job" anymore.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-03 07:01 PM

Too bad you're wrong PL. It is an institutional problem. I appreciate your optimistic view, but that's just not the way it is.

#33 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-02-03 10:57 PM

Hey, I hated the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI has been a constant thorn in the side of those who were against unnecessary wars, etc. but those who oppose the FBI today weren't with us back then. No, back then those idiots were winging "I'm an Okee from Miskogee," and the FBI was their hero. Today those same ignorant assholes are trying to convince us that the FBI supported Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump in the 2016 election to try and mislead us into believing that we should believe utter nonsense because it might help Donald Trump avoid the charges of treason which are coming his way. They want us to believe utter nonsense because their President can't be supported with truth and so many of them are so willing, that's what is so sad about this whole thing. They will support a traitor if he isn't a Democrat. If Barrack Obama had done the things this traitor has done you would have hung him a long time ago. Trump supporters, don't ever try to convince me again that you have the capacity to put country before party, you simply won't or cant. Either way, you don't.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-04 02:59 AM

What's not love about an extra-constitutional politicized national police force that answers to no one.

#27 | POSTED BY VISITOR

You mean like ICE?
If an ICE agent tweets that he doesn't like immigrants should he be fired?

#35 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-04 12:49 PM

"What's not love about an extra-constitutional politicized national police force that answers to no one."

Not one point in your sentence is actually true stupid. It isn't "extr-constitutional," if it were it would have been declared so long ago. I hope they knock on your door soon Russian. Maybe a flight home would be a good choice today.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-04 05:55 PM

You know what's really stupid? Defending an organization that was run for decades by JE Hoover and used to blackmail civil rights activists during the fifties and sixties and the anti-war movement in seventies.
We thought it's political interference ended with Nixon and we found out it continued to this day.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-02-05 08:07 AM

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