Friday, February 02, 2018

Trump Releases GOP Attack on FBI

President Donald Trump has authorized the release of a controversial Republican memo, and has sent word to the House Intelligence Committee the document may be made public, a White House official said. There were no White House-initiated redactions to the memo, a House aide said.

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FBI Statement on HPSCI Memo

The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI. We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process.

With regard to the House Intelligence Committee's memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy.

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Headline is incorrect.

It should read "Trump make desperate, reckless attempt to save his own ass".

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 12:01 PM

Hey, remind me: Comey, McCabe, Mueller, Rosenstein, Wray and Sessions...which party do they belong to again?

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 12:01 PM

If Democrats ever needed proof for the midterms that the GOP is a threat to national security and is unfit to govern, this should do it. The Republicans cannot with a straight face claim to be the party of national security while carrying on in such fashion. And even if a congressman in Iowa or Michigan were to say he played no part in Nunes's conduct, his or her reelection by definition would help return Nunes to the intelligence committee chairmanship and Ryan to the speakership. In short, Democrats can argue that if you vote for anyone with an "R" after his or her name, you are voting to hobble the FBI, expose our secrets to our enemies and help Trump escape the consequences of possible wrongdoing. Talk about a winning message.

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#3 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:02 PM

Nunes gives us a real nothingburger.

The fact that the GOP funded it before the DNC makes the entire basis of his lunacy moot.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-02 12:03 PM

Devin Nunes keeps dodging the question of whether or not the white house helped write this memo. Anyone who believes what it says is a moron.

Every single step trump has taken during the russia investigation is exactly what a guy who colluded with russia would do.

Now he's going with the OJ Simpson defense - if the evidence is overwhelming, try and convince a bunch of morons that law enforcement was involved in a massive conspiracy. It worked for OJ...

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 12:04 PM

Glad that all you "Obama stands for transparency" folks all of a sudden don't believe in transparency.

#6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:06 PM

The spin here will make a tilt-a-whirl jealous.

#7 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:08 PM

"Glad that all you "Obama stands for transparency" folks all of a sudden don't believe in transparency." - #6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:06 PM

Glad that all you law-and-order folks all of a sudden don't believe in guarding our national secrets from our adversaries and enemies.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:09 PM

"Did Trump just reveal the real reason this memo was written?

The memo, said House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) on Thursday, isn't "an indictment of the FBI, of the Department of Justice."


@realDonaldTrump
The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans - something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. Rank & File are great people!
6:33 AM - Feb 2, 2018

Trump appears to be setting the narrative for what will happen later in the day, when House Republicans release the classified memo against objections from the FBI, the Justice Department and Democrats.

Basically, everyone in Washington except the president and congressional Republicans don't want the memo released because they say it's politically biased, inaccurate, will expose sourcing methods, or all three.

So, why would Trump single out the Justice Department to explain why this memo should be released? Because he thinks the memo will help him undermine the Mueller investigation, both by calling into question its authenticity and integrity and possibly firing the guy who set it up in the first place."

www.washingtonpost.com

Also, more at this thread:

Trump Agrees to "Some" Redactions; Will Release Memo

www.drudge.com

and

Michelle Goldberg: Don't Believe the Liberal F.B.I.

www.drudge.com

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:10 PM

It's clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counter-intelligence investigation during an American political campaign." That says it all I think

#10 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-02 12:11 PM

#6 no we actually know what transparency means, deflectobot3000.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 12:11 PM

- " folks all of a sudden don't believe in transparency.

Rwingers who all of a sudden don't believe in classified intel, rofl!

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:11 PM

#5 What are you getting your diaper on fire for. If the memo is full of crap than the Dems should easily be able to prove it wrong. I mean you keep saying it is totally full of crap......even though you haven't read it.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:13 PM

That says it all I think

#10 | POSTED BY WTFIGO

Only if you're stupid enough to believe Nunes.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 12:13 PM

"The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party's, no president's, only Putin's."

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-02-02 12:14 PM

"It's clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counter-intelligence investigation during an American political campaign." - #10 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-02 12:11 PM

Like the memo, lies.

Carter Page was under investigation before an American political campaign.

That says it all.

#16 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:14 PM

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

Washington Examiner:Factual Reporting: HIGH
These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation.

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 12:15 PM

Rwingers who all of a sudden don't believe in classified intel, rofl!

#12 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2018-02-02 12:11 PM | FLAG:

Funny, last we knew it was not classified.

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:15 PM

#13 I don't have to read it to know Nunes is an untrustworthy source.

What's got my "diaper on fire" is stupid fucks like you who enable this dangerous garbage to continue to escalate.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 12:15 PM

"If the memo is full of crap than the Dems should easily be able to prove it wrong." - #13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:13 PM

By breaking the law?

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:15 PM

No FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

#21 | Posted by homerj at 2018-02-02 12:16 PM

"Intelligence experts say it's unlikely that Steele's intelligence formed the sole basis for a warrant, and legally, there was no problem with the F.B.I. using information Steele had gathered, even if Democrats helped fund his work.

We already know that it wasn't Steele who sparked the F.B.I.'s Russia inquiry, but Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who, while drinking with an Australian diplomat in May 2016, said that Russia had dirt on Clinton.

Nevertheless, Republicans seem to think that if they can show that the F.B.I. cited Steele in seeking a warrant on Page, they can prove that the whole Russia investigation is a partisan frame-up. It doesn't really make sense, but it's not necessarily meant to."

www.nytimes.com

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:16 PM

It's clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counter-intelligence investigation during an American political campaign." That says it all I think

#10 | POSTED BY WTFIGO AT 2018-02-02 12:11 PM | FLAG:

And thought that Hillary had the election so in the bag that they would never get busted.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:17 PM

I'm just here for the popcorn.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-02 12:18 PM

#22 IIRC Steele's info was used because it was corraberated by info from other intelligence sources.

In other words, stating that the dossier was Used to obtain the FISA warrant is a lie by omission.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 12:18 PM

25 - * Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

#26 | Posted by homerj at 2018-02-02 12:19 PM

Can't find a link to the actual memo yet. Will keep looking.

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 12:20 PM

- stating that the dossier was Used to obtain the FISA warrant is a lie by omission.

And, of course, the only way to rebutt the previously classified intel in the memo is to ues other classified intel.... which is why Trump thinks he can get away with this lie; he doesn't have to prove anything, no one can prove otherwise, and he's really only interested in the making his Base continue to swallow his Fake News.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:21 PM

We now know why they didn't want anyone to know about this information. Schift worked hard to surpress it.

#29 | Posted by homerj at 2018-02-02 12:22 PM

"Trump make desperate, reckless attempt to save his own ass".

#1 | POSTED BY JPW

And, it may work.

#30 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-02-02 12:23 PM

Yet...... an independent judiciary authorized the warrant. HMMMM how deep is this conspiracy?

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:23 PM

"Washington Examiner:Factual Reporting: LAUGHABLE!"

FTFY

#32 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 12:24 PM

BTW people should stop calling the Steele work a dossier. It is a series of memos of observations/facts/information reported to Steele, some of which was/is publicly available information.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

Glad that all you law-and-order folks all of a sudden don't believe in guarding our national secrets from our adversaries and enemies.
#8 | POSTED BY HANS

Absolutely no agency has claimed this .... keep swinging....

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

"We already know that it wasn't Steele who sparked the F.B.I.'s Russia inquiry, but Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who, while drinking with an Australian diplomat in May 2016, said that Russia had dirt on Clinton."

Truth does hurt, eh?

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

Full text of the memo

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

Hey, remember when the FBI tried to throw the election for Hillary by coming out a few days before election day to hold a press conference about newly discovered emails about Trump's Russian collusion but it turned out afterwards that the emails were not newly discovered, had nothing to do with Russian collusion and the FBI knew the entire time...?

Oh wait... they did something like that to Hillary?

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

#26

Hell. Steele Dossier is reliable. The only thing not confirmed is whether Trump likes to see hookers piss. I say that he does.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 12:26 PM

It's clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counter-intelligence investigation during an American political campaign." That says it all I think
#10 | POSTED BY WTFIGO AT 2018-02-02 12:11 PM | FLAG:
And thought that Hillary had the election so in the bag that they would never get busted.
#23 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

If you have that much of an issue with the FBI, maybe you shouldn't let Republicans run it anymore since the leadership is and has been...all Republican...

Time for a change!

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 12:27 PM

The Washington Examiner is a right-wing political journal that is heavy on psychological projection and denialism. It could be thought of as Townhall.com's more "respectable" cousin but even then, the site looks like a tabloid desperately trying to pass itself off as real news. It's not uncommon to see it used as a source among more extreme right-wingers who seem to like how proper the site pretends to be.
On science issues the site is pretty abysmal. Global warming denialism is rampant,[1] as is myths about DDT bans and other anti-environmentalist rhetoric,[2] leading to the site having a weird obsession with defending coal as being not all that damaging to the environment.[3] Also, Barack Obama only beat Mitt Romney because of the damned liberal media,[4] with implementing socialism being part of Obama's (and liberals) master plan.[5][6] Basically the site is what you'd expect from a publication that makes most of its money from winding up wingnuts.
The print version of the Washington Examiner is given away to commuters at Washington, DC-area subway stations, where its main competitor is the Washington Post's Express.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:28 PM

- Absolutely no agency has claimed this .... keep swinging....

Updated 2:42 PM ET, Thu February 1, 2018

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has made clear he is frustrated that President Donald Trump picked him to lead the FBI after he fired FBI Director James Comey in May, yet his advice on the Nunes memo is being disregarded and cast as part of the purported partisan leadership of the FBI, according to a senior law enforcement official.

Wray's stance is "raising hell," one source familiar with the matter said.

www.cnn.com

Keep playing dumb, Andrea. It's your best thing.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:28 PM

Feb 02 2018

STATEMENT BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN ON PARTISAN ATTACKS ON THE FBI & DOJ

U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement on partisan attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice:
"In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin's regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.

"The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party's, no president's, only Putin's. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation's elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him."

www.mccain.senate.gov

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 12:28 PM

The count down has started to the firing of Mueller. Going to happen sooner than later because Donald doesn't know how far Mueller's come to showing without that the current occupant of is a parasitic invertebrate.

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 12:30 PM

"But it is smart to keep clinging to the Russian collusion conspiracy even though it has been over a year and a half with zero evidence there stupid fuck."

You live in a state of denial, still probably defending Richard Nixon.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 12:30 PM

I have to be honest, this is the most disappointing thing I've seen in a long time. Now that we know exactly what is in the memo, it seems WAY WAY WAY overhyped.

WAY WAY WAY overhyped even IF true...

#sad

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 12:30 PM

-zero evidence

That's hilarious. Blind, but funny.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:30 PM

#43

Hey, my man. Money laundering for the Russian mob is criminal collusion.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 12:31 PM

Hey, stop me if you've heard this one.

Does anyone else remember that time -- it was around a year ago, as I recall -- when Devin Nunes was forced to recuse himself from the Russia investigation for engaging in a coverup on behalf of donnie dollhands?

#49 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-02-02 12:32 PM

"The count down has started to the firing of Mueller. Going to happen sooner than later because Donald doesn't know how far Mueller's come to showing without that the current occupant of is a parasitic invertebrate."

Very well may not help Trump because Mueller has been working with the AG of NY and Trump has no power to pardon crimes charged under NY law. Mueller has known Trump would try to avoid prosecution from the beginning and I suspect is ready for it without the prosecution missing a beat.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 12:32 PM

#42 Wow, hard to believe such a big supporter of Trump would write this, and second I don't think this memo will be exposed to shut down the so called Russian investigation, it is being exposed to show that Hillary and Obama used illegal means to spy on a political opponent which is worse.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:34 PM

Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information

Funny, when you google that sentence, it only shows up on right-wing sites. (Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, pjmedia, etc.).

#52 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-02-02 12:34 PM

"We already know that it wasn't Steele who sparked the F.B.I.'s Russia inquiry, but Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who, while drinking with an Australian diplomat in May 2016, said that Russia had dirt on Clinton."
Truth does hurt, eh?

#35 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2018-02-02 12:25 PM |
This in itself does not make anything illegal

#53 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-02 12:34 PM

"The count down has started to the firing of Mueller."

Trump will start with Rosenstein and try to replace him with someone who has taken one of Donnie's loyalty pledges.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 12:34 PM

-WAY WAY WAY overhyped even IF true...

Even Kelly knew that...

"The president was then left alone to read the memo in its entirety.

A White House official said Kelly returned a few hours later and shared with the president his opinion: that releasing the memo would not risk national security but that the document was not as compelling as some of its advocates had promised Trump."

www.washingtonpost.com

The memo is a dud as far as proving anything. It's prolly fine as slop to feed the rwing hogs.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:35 PM

"But it is smart to keep clinging to the Russian collusion conspiracy even though it has been over a year and a half with zero evidence there..." - #43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:28 PM

"Zero evidence there" = 4 indictments and 2 guilty pleas...

...so far.

#56 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:35 PM

You live in a state of denial, still probably defending Richard Nixon.

#45 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-02-02 12:30 PM | FLAG:

No but I still believe Hillary lost because of cross check. For that you can put me in a rubber truck.

#57 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:36 PM

The memo is meant to do nationally what it's doing here; bring the rwing Know Nothings out of hiding.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:38 PM

Anyone still think Trump will sit for a grilling by Mueller?

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:39 PM

If there's nothing to it Cork that why are you so afraid of it coming out?

#60 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:40 PM

#60 If the Nunes memo is accurate, why do the GOP fear the Dems response to it coming out?

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 12:42 PM

Just read it... the best part is the GOP staff quoting Mother Jones, rofl!

Trump's Chief of Staff Kelly was right, it isn't what Nunes promised Trump, no smoking gun, just a cold shower.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:44 PM

"If there's nothing to it Cork that why are you so afraid of it coming out?"

Democrats do not fear it being released but we just wonder why the Republicans fear the memo from the Democratic members of the committee?

#63 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 12:44 PM

Trump's Chief of Staff Kelly was right, it isn't what Nunes promised Trump, no smoking gun, just a cold shower.

A Nunesburger? Is Nunes the Geraldo of the GOP?

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 12:46 PM

Verified: Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
The dossier claimed Page held secret meetings in Moscow with Igor Sechin, a Putin ally who is the head of Rosneft.
Page vehemently denied that he met with Sechin. But in November, the House Intelligence Committee released a transcript of Page's congressional testimony revealing he had in fact met with other Rosneft officials, including Sechin's subordinate Andrey Baranov, during a trip to Moscow in 2016.
According to the dossier, Rosneft officials used their meeting with Page to push for the U.S. to lift sanctions on Russia for its support of armed separatist groups in eastern Ukraine. It is now known that the Trump administration sought to water down a proposed Republican Party commitment to send "lethal weapons" to Ukraine's army to fight off the Russian-backed separatists.

www.newsweek.com

Yeah, keep believing the DoJ had no justification for the FISA warrants

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:50 PM

Withholding that they knew the dossier was paid for opposition research is perfectly proper while requesting FISA warrants and extensions.Is that your Lefty arguement? Good luck with that, losers. I'll bring the fork. And keep claiming how it hurts National Security and harms the agencies that are corrupt. A dumbfecta.

#66 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:51 PM

"President Trump had approved release of the memo without redactions Friday morning.

The memo accuses former officials who approved the surveillance applications – a group that includes former FBI Director James B. Comey, his former deputy Andrew McCabe, former deputy attorney general Sally Yates and current Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein -- of signing off on court surveillance requests that omitted key facts about the political motivations of the person supplying some of the information, Christopher Steele, a former intelligence officer in Britain.

The memo is not an intelligence document and reflects information the committee has gathered, which Democrats, the FBI and Justice Department have criticized as incomplete and misleading.

"The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI," the statement said. "We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process."

excerpts

www.washingtonpost.com

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:51 PM

read 65 AGAIN Carter Page CONFIRMED the Steele information

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 12:52 PM

"Absolutely no agency has claimed this .... " - #34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-02-02 12:25 PM

The Justice Department warned the House Intelligence Committee chairman on Wednesday that it was "extraordinarily reckless" for Republicans to push to release a committee memo that draws on classified information to protray the origins of the Russian investigation as scandalous.

[snip] "We do not understand why the committee would possibly seek to disclose classified and law enforcement sensitive information...

source

Oops.

But keep swinging, Comrade AndreaMackris.

Your lies are certainly appreciated by some.

#69 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 12:52 PM

"incomplete and misleading."

Just like Trump.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:52 PM

Danni, explain to us the procedures to get the Dem Memo released. And don't tell us the ink is dry.

#71 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:53 PM

The spin here will make a tilt-a-whirl jealous.

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:08 PM | Reply

Your codpiece is leaking yellow dew dear.

#72 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 12:53 PM

- Carter Page CONFIRMED the Steele information

Which is likely part of the "incomplete and misleading." concerns of the FBI and Justice.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 12:54 PM

No FISA warrant would have been sought without the Steele dossier, and its origins were excluded.

The entire investigation was trash.

A well earned humiliation for all those involved.

#74 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 12:55 PM

What the memo alleges:

The dossier authored by Christopher Steele was "an essential part" of the FBI and the Justice Department's justification for conducting electronic surveillance of Carter Page. It also notes the dossier was funded by the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Steele said he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected."
This "clear evidence of Steele's bias" wasn't reflected in any of the applications to authorize the electronic surveillance.

www.axios.com

#75 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-02 12:56 PM

Damn it to hell Trump. I had the big bold headline thread, he stole my placement on the front page today. Tootles!

#76 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-02-02 12:58 PM

"What the memo alleges" - #75 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-02-02 12:56 PM

Alleges?

al·lege əˈlej/
verb
3rd person present: alleges

claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

"Without proof that this is the case."

Why, I do believe that Comrade pfc. boazo is on to something here.

#77 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:01 PM

The dossier authored by Christopher Steele was "an essential part" of the FBI and the Justice Department's justification for conducting electronic surveillance of Carter Page. It also notes the dossier was funded by the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Steele said he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected."
This "clear evidence of Steele's bias" wasn't reflected in any of the applications to authorize the electronic surveillance.
www.axios.com
#75 | Posted by boaz

Carter Page confirmed the Steele's information about wait for it.... Carter Page

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 01:01 PM

But it is smart to keep clinging to the Russian collusion conspiracy even though it has been over a year and a half with zero evidence there stupid fuck.

#43 | Posted by fishpaw

The length of time passed is no by any means an indicator of whether Mueller is finding material worth prosecuting, stupid fuck.

At least not anywhere that's not your partisan BS addled brain.

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 01:02 PM

- What the memo alleges:

What Nunes' GOP part of the committee alleges.... and what the FBI and Justice say is, "incomplete and misleading.".

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 01:02 PM

If there's nothing to it Cork that why are you so afraid of it coming out?

#60 | Posted by fishpaw

Because some people have standards as to how our government should run, orange knob gobbler.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 01:03 PM

"The entire investigation was trash." - #74 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 12:55 PM

Complete trash... that is, if you completely overlook the four indictments and two convictions...

...so far.

But, other than that, "complete trash."

Good call, Comrade Ben_Berkkake.

#82 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:04 PM

#5 What are you getting your diaper on fire for. If the memo is full of crap than the Dems should easily be able to prove it wrong. I mean you keep saying it is totally full of crap......even though you haven't read it.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw

Dems wanted to release their own memo refuting the repub memo but they can't because repubs blocked them.

You're not even informed about your own party's obstruction because you live in fox news ignorance.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:13 PM

Complete trash... that is, if you completely overlook the four indictments and two convictions...

...so far.

You were convinced of collusion with Putin and Trump. Instead, you got a few people who were focused on self-enrichment through the Russians.

Sorry it didn't work out for you, and you won't be getting your Joe McCarthy merit badge.

#84 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:14 PM

Kinda ironic that an unprecedented partisan douche move by the GOP with previously classified intel is being used to whine about supposed partisan origins of what are now confirmed facts.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 01:14 PM

Conan O'Brien
‏Verified account @ConanOBrien
9 minutes ago

In a fight between Devin Nunes and the FBI, who do I bet on? The group who took down John Gotti, or the guy who got his genitals caught in the zipper of his parachute pants?

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:15 PM

The countdown to firing Mueller is also the countdown to ending Trump's alleged presidency.

On that level I can't wait.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 01:17 PM

Trump: Hey! I got a great idea. How about I tell the American Public that I'm gonna give the Russians our nuclear codes and then ask for a ransom for...ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

Trump's Lackey: Mr Trump...one million dollars isn't a whole lot of money these days...

Trump: OK...how about a memo!

#88 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-02 01:17 PM

Notice nothing in the memo defends carter page or refutes him being a russian agent. It simply tries to say the way we found out he's a russian agent was flawed.

Hey I illegally recorded your babysitter admitting she molested your kids! Are you still going to let her be your babysitter because the recording was illegal?

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:18 PM

You were convinced of collusion with Putin and Trump. Instead, you got a few people who were focused on self-enrichment through the Russians.

#84 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

Who hired all of those people?

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:19 PM

"Sorry it didn't work out for you..." - #84 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:14 PM

Quick update for you, Comrade Ben_Berkkake:

The Special Prosecutor hasn't finished his work yet.

Hence, my "so far" comment.

But your optimism is certainly noticed by some, Comrade Ben_Berkkake.

#91 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:19 PM

The Special Prosecutor hasn't finished his work yet.

Hence, my "so far" comment.

Keep hoping, Hans McCarthy. You wanted collusion. Though it's tempting, don't let those goalposts move.

#92 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:21 PM

If trump didn't collude with putin, then he hired so many people who were colluding with putin that he's clearly unfit to be president.

Either way a patriotic congress would immediately impeach him.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:21 PM

The Republican memo is not anywhere close to a real indictment of anyone in the FBI or the Justice Dept. No, it's a new batch of b.s. talking points for repitition on Fox News and other right wing media outlets. Their plan is to trash the FBI, Mueller and hopefully Democrats because they know they can't defend Trump and his associates with facts so they will try to sway enough public opinion to make a partisan scream so loud and stomp their feet up and down demanding Mueller stop investigating Trump.

#94 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 01:25 PM

"Keep hoping..." - #92 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:21 PM

"Hoping" isn't necessary.

Clue for you, Comrade Ben_Berkkake:

The Special Prosecutor's work will continue with or without anyone's "hope".

#95 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:27 PM

"...don't let those goalposts move." - #92 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:21 PM

For some strange reason, Comrade Ben_Berkkake, you think that the score at the end of the first quarter is the final score.

Here's a clue for you:

It isn't.

The work of the Special Prosecutor continues.

#96 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:28 PM

For some strange reason, Comrade Ben_Berkkake, you think that the score at the end of the first quarter is the final score.

Here's a clue for you:

It isn't.

The work of the Special Prosecutor continues.

Such conviction from Hans McCarthy. Probably tearing up as he types it.

#97 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:30 PM

Ok. After reading the memo, I really don't see anything in it that causes the massive outpouring of venom about how it is a national security risk or going to release damaging procedural information or secrets. Anyone have any opinions as to where is the risk in that memo?

#98 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 01:31 PM

Bradley P. Moss‏@BradMossEsq
The Nunes memo is exactly the pathetic joke I expected it to be.

1) It admits that the Steele dossier is only a part of the FISA application. It even resolves once and for all that the Russia investigation did not start based on the dossier. It was based on "coffee boy".

2) The entire premise of its insuffiency is the fact that the FBI/DOJ didn't tell the FISC that Steele was biased against Trump. So the hell what? They're not REQUIRED to reveal that in every case. @OrinKerr did an exhaustive piece on the 4A issues for @lawfareblog

Unless that bias somehow renders the information, in and of itself, unreliable, it doesn't matter if Steele wore a "I'm with Hillary" button. It's irrelevant.

3) Release the FISA application. The FBI has to do it now. It would likely have been 50-100 pages. Release it.

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:32 PM

You were convinced of collusion with Putin and Trump. Instead, you got a few people who were focused on self-enrichment through the Russians.
Sorry it didn't work out for you, and you won't be getting your Joe McCarthy merit badge.
#84 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake a

well, except for that pesky trump tower meeting with jr.

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 01:36 PM

Ok. After reading the memo, I really don't see anything in it that causes the massive outpouring of venom about how it is a national security risk or going to release damaging procedural information or secrets. Anyone have any opinions as to where is the risk in that memo?

#98 | Posted by Avigdore

The risk is in releasing info to the public that the FBI shared with congress in secret, and what that could do to future requests for cooperation.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:36 PM

Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance

WARNING. This is an unambiguous threat intelligence indicator: Trump is going to try to decapitate justice & FBI leadership ... very soon. Perhaps within hours of Nunes letter's release.

Malcolm Nance Retweeted Ann Coulter
It has begun.
Malcolm Nance added,

Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
Rosenstein should be fired for opposing the release of this memo.

#102 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:37 PM

Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA

Folks, the #NunesMemo is a dud, but that's irrelevant - it's what Trump chooses to do with it. Don't be surprised if Trump uses this misleadin' document as "cause" to fire Rosenstein. This is nothin' more than a "firin' document." Stay sharp this weekend!

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:38 PM

"Such conviction..." - #97 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-02 01:30 PM

You're very confused, Comrade Ben_Berkkake.

You seem to think that my "conviction" is needed to somehow allow the Special Prosecutor's work to continue.

Here's a news flash for you, Comrade Ben_Berkkake:

It isn't.

#104 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:38 PM

Lost Sandal‏ @L0stSandal

Lost Sandal Retweeted Steve King
And here comes the effort to oust Rosenstein:

Steve King‏ @SteveKingIA

Key in the #MemoReleased are names (some deeply biased) who signed off on the FISA Warrant: Comey, McCabe, Yates, Boente, & Rosenstein. Memo now commands FISA Warrant requests be released to Congress. The statement that the FBI & the DOJ were "weaponized" holds up pretty well.

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:39 PM

"You were convinced of collusion with Putin and Trump. Instead, you got a few people who were focused on self-enrichment through the Russians."

"Trump met with Lavrov and Kislyak in the Oval Office on May 10, the day after he fired James Comey as FBI director. Trump told the Russians that he had "faced great pressure" as a result of the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 US election -- and whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow -- that Comey was leading, calling him "crazy" and "a real nut job."

www.businessinsider.com

#106 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 01:40 PM

Keep in mind McCabe was already fired over this memo.

#107 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 01:40 PM

Where was Nunes's and the GOP's outrage when Michael Flynn, Jared Kushner, and Jeff Sessions left information off their forms? Literally the same "mistake" they seem to be shitting themselves over today.

#108 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-02 01:44 PM

Michael Weiss‏ @michaeldweiss

You know what's funny? @catfitz and I just finished a 10,000-word annotation of the dossier and stuff we decided not to bother with was "We can confirm that Barack and Michelle stayed at the Ritz Carlton in Moscow" because that's obvious. For Nunes...

If a FISA application contained this truthful information, easily Googled, but by a source he didn't like, he'd question its veracity. In other words, non-secretive facts require a "cui bono" vetting. We are deep into the moronic inferno here.

#109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:44 PM

Trump is stupid. Just when he is able to nudge his approval ratings a few points higher he turns around and releases this bullshit political "memo". It's as if he enjoys low ratings.

#110 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-02-02 01:45 PM

Which part is bullshit, M8?

LOL

#111 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 01:48 PM

Michael Weiss‏ @michaeldweiss

Oh for fuck's sake. Page's trip to Moscow was public; he delivered a speech at a well-know Moscow institute, which advertised the event. FISC didn't need Isikoff or Steele to confirm that!

And as an FBI informant/source who compiled his own intel on Trump, how was it a violation for Steele speak to the press? This intel was not classified.

This memo actually looks like it was written *for* Trump. A skein of half-truths and misinformation masquerading as a "gotcha," and delivered in bad faith. No one in DOJ or US intelligence would take this seriously, but a guy who thinks Alex Jones is serious would.

#112 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:49 PM

That's it? Seriously? You gotta be s---in' me.

#113 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 01:50 PM

#111

Whichever parts Trump uses to suborn or post pone his otherwise inevitable indictment and conviction.

#114 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 01:51 PM

The risk is in releasing info to the public that the FBI shared with congress in secret, and what that could do to future requests for cooperation.

#101 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Risk? That the FBI and DOJ will no longer feel free to create, corroborate and circulate false "intelligence" to falsely obtain politicized surveillance applications?

Let's take that risk, hand in hand.

#115 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 01:53 PM

Based on the last 2 years, when are we going to see all this Russian collusion proof, Libbies? 4-8 years? More? Bwahaha!

#116 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 01:54 PM

Someone earlier said something about moving goalposts:

Topher Spiro
‏@TopherSpiro
50 minutes ago

In a hilarious turn of events, the big headline from the memo is that it confirms Papadopoulos, not the dossier, triggered the investigation. Trump and his henchmen score an own-goal. It's so laughable.

LOL

#117 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:54 PM

#13 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

That's the problem. Even if they did, people like you won't believe it.

Come on, you're smart enough to recognize that, PESCADITO.

#118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 01:55 PM

This memo isn't about revealing some dark truth; it's about winning the PR battle against the Russian investigation. It's about throwing out a bunch of innuendo that will sound really bad to people uninformed in the intel process, which is most of us, and without the clarification of the Democrats memo, Trump gets to frame Mueller's investigation as something sinister.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-02 01:55 PM

3) Release the FISA application. The FBI has to do it now. It would likely have been 50-100 pages. Release it.

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

The FBI can't do that and repubs know it. They are in control of what the public hears right now. And they're not letting the dems write a rebuttal memo.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:56 PM

Future cooperation. That's funny!

#121 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 01:56 PM

"That the FBI and DOJ will no longer feel free to create, corroborate and circulate false "intelligence" to falsely obtain politicized surveillance applications?" - #115 | Posted by For some strange reason, DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 01:53 PM

When all else fails, lie.

Good work, Comrade DixvilleNotch.

Товарищ Путин приветствует вас орденом Ленина.

#122 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 01:56 PM

Based on the last 2 years, when are we going to see all this Russian collusion proof, Libbies? 4-8 years? More? Bwahaha!

#116 | Posted by wisgod

We saw it in february with don jr's emails showing he'd love the russian government's help beating hillary.

Are you still pretending that didn't happen?

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:57 PM

Risk? That the FBI and DOJ will no longer feel free to create, corroborate and circulate false "intelligence" to falsely obtain politicized surveillance applications?

Let's take that risk, hand in hand.

#115 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

What intelligence was FALSE?

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 01:58 PM

The Democrats can release a memo. Just send it to Hillary. She doesn't know classified from he cankle. She'll git er done!

#125 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 01:59 PM

Not pretending anything, Speaks. They just didn't use opposition research to get FISA warrants, now did they? Keep swinging at that ball.

#126 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 02:01 PM

Just for reference: When the FBI appeared to be sinking Hillary, the GOP loved it. The Dems let the process go forward because it was the right thing to do.

#127 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-02 02:03 PM

folks all of a sudden don't believe in transparency.

#6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

A partisan spin memo while squashing an opposing memo is hardly transparency.

#128 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-02 02:04 PM

#116 sooner than we'll see an intelligent post from you, 💩 heap.

#129 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 02:05 PM

Wow, just look at all of the right wing Russian operatives spinning and whining on here. Fishmaw, Avigdumb, Ben Buttcrack and AndreaMackerel must be waiting for those sweet, sweet Putin bucks.

#130 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-02-02 02:10 PM

Risk? That the FBI and DOJ will no longer feel free to create, corroborate and circulate false "intelligence" to falsely obtain politicized surveillance applications?
Let's take that risk, hand in hand.

#115 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

What intelligence was FALSE?

#124 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You really should read the memo.

The DNC/Steele Dossier was known to be from a discredited former FBI source, self-corroborated by a leak to Yahoo News by that same source, paid for by the DNC ($160,000), and nevertheless used as the basis for 4 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court applications by ideologically compromised FBI officials (McCabe, Yates, Comey, Ohr, Strozk, Page, Rosentstein, and others).

#131 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:11 PM

Trump is stupid. Just when he is able to nudge his approval ratings a few points higher he turns around and releases this bullshit political "memo". It's as if he enjoys low ratings.

#110 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-02-02 01:45 PM | FLAG:

Pretty funny coming from someone who took the Steele dossiere as fact.

#132 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 02:16 PM

Not pretending anything, Speaks. They just didn't use opposition research to get FISA warrants, now did they? Keep swinging at that ball.

#126 | Posted by wisgod

So you're arguing that we should never have found out that carter page was a russian agent.

You're not upset that trump hired a bunch of russian agents, you're upset that the way we found out about them wasn't proper.

#133 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:18 PM

No one in DOJ or US intelligence would take this seriously.

#112 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

*paging Andrew McCabe*

*Andrew McCabe, please defend your testimony that your FISA application could not have been approved without the fake Dossier*

*paging McCabe*

*where's McCabe*

#134 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:18 PM

The DNC/Steele Dossier was known to be from a discredited former FBI source, self-corroborated by a leak to Yahoo News by that same source, paid for by the DNC ($160,000), and nevertheless used as the basis for 4 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court applications by ideologically compromised FBI officials (McCabe, Yates, Comey, Ohr, Strozk, Page, Rosentstein, and others).

#131 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

The steele dossier was started by republicans. Many parts of it have been corraborated and none of it has been disproven.

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:19 PM

Pretty funny coming from someone who took the Steele dossiere as fact.
#132 | Posted by fishpaw

Carter Page himself Confirmed portions about himself.

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 02:19 PM

That's it? Seriously? You gotta be s---in' me.

#113 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Hey, Et!

Why did Mueller delay sentencing whatsisface the other day?

#137 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:20 PM

Just cannot wait to see if anything/something is corroborated in the Russia dossier.

#138 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-02-02 02:20 PM

Many parts of it have been corraborated and none of it has been disproven.

#135 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Not going to read the memo?

Got it.

#139 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:21 PM

*Andrew McCabe, please defend your testimony that your FISA application could not have been approved without the fake Dossier*

*paging McCabe*

*where's McCabe*

#134 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

When your best defense is "the way we found out about collusion didn't follow the proper procedure" you're pretty much admitting the collusion happened.

If someone had an illegal recording of your babysitter admitting to molesting your kids, would you still use that babysitter? I mean the recording was illegal so I guess anything you heard on it should be ignored right?

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:21 PM

Wow, just look at all of the right wing Russian operatives spinning and whining on here. Fishmaw, Avigdumb, Ben Buttcrack and AndreaMackerel must be waiting for those sweet, sweet Putin bucks.

#130 | POSTED BY REAGAN58 AT 2018-02-02 02:10 PM | FLAG:

And look who just showed up from having his head up his a---. Poor boy, go back to bed and hope its all just a dream.

#141 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 02:21 PM

'Notch, your Jedi Mind Tricks® are backfiring. Time to escape to the safety of the Death Star...

#142 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-02 02:22 PM

HARDYHAR
The usual's here have hitched their wagon to another DUD.
You saps never learn
Only a matter of time now before we start seeing the emphatic "you just wait" and "mark my words" become sheepishly "just an opinion"

#143 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-02-02 02:23 PM

Trump chumps' argument in a nutshell: No one should ever have found out that his team was colluding with russia!

#144 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:24 PM

My Jedi Mind Tricks are not working on these people who refuse to read the memo. I need to find a way back to the Death Star.

#145 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:26 PM

None of this reality would be true if only bernie wasn't cheated.

#146 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 02:26 PM

Only a matter of time now before we start seeing the emphatic "you just wait" and "mark my words" become sheepishly "just an opinion"

#143 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2018-02-02 02:23 PM | FLAG:

Kind of like the drip, drip, drip you dopes have been saying for the last year and a half.

#147 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 02:27 PM

#141, Yes, actually wasting my time to read the entire memo was likely akin to having ones head up their butt. Now that I know that it's nothing more than a political hitjob not founded in any facts I understand why a traitor like you is so keen to defend it.

Looks like we've found the NothingBurger that you rightards have been clamoring for.

#148 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-02-02 02:27 PM

Just cannot wait to see if anything/something is corroborated in the Russia dossier.
#138 | Posted by MSgt

Carter Page ALREADY DID

#149 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 02:29 PM

"the way we found out about collusion didn't follow the proper procedure" you're pretty much admitting the collusion happened.

#140 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

If you had collusion, the proper procedure would be easy. Or at least possible. But nope.

So it goes.

#150 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:29 PM

Retorters with hands in Steele's pocket feel cocky all year.

LOL

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:31 PM

America's enemies would like to thank Trump for helping them.

#152 | Posted by Tor at 2018-02-02 02:31 PM

Under the reform i seek, if you like your FBI as is, you can keep your FBI as is.

But prepare to loose elections if you are not the incumbent with many agencies working against you using the best technology PRISM can provide.

#153 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 02:32 PM

Okay, fine. The target, defendant if you will, has filed his motion, the memo, to quash the warrant and suppress the evidence gained by it. What next?

One, the defenders of the warrant get to file their response, the counter-memo, "hey judge, hold on, there's more to the story."

Two, how's that likely to shake out in the end.

Probably not to the target's liking. The Dubious Legal Claim Behind #ReleaseTheMemo www.lawfareblog.com

First, you need to know all of the facts claimed in the Carter Page FISA affidavit to know if disclosing the funding source of the Steele's research was even remotely relevant. My understanding is that FISA applications like this are rarely close calls. DOJ usually gives the FISC way more than probable cause.
...
Second, even if the Steele research was a major part of the affidavit, whether the funding source would need to be disclosed depends on whether it critically altered the case for probable cause. Some of that would depend on whether the Steele research was corroborated.
...
But that's not how actual law works. In the world of actual law, there needs to be a good reason for the judge to think, once informed of the claim of bias, that the informant was just totally making it up. As United States v. Strifler shows, that isn't necessarily the case even if the government paid the informant to talk and guaranteed that they would get out of jail if they did. Nor is it necessarily the case just because the informant is in personal feud with the suspect. What matters is whether, based on the totality of the circumstances, the information came from a credible source.

#154 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 02:33 PM

"In the world of actual law, there needs to be a good reason for the judge to think, once informed of the claim of bias, that the informant was just totally making it up"

A Trump appointed judge might think that...
Come on, Gorsuch!

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 02:36 PM

The lack of corroboration of facts used to obtain FISA warrants is exactly the information that the FBI says was purposefully left out of Nunes' propaganda piece, that why the Democrats were so pissed that this memo was being released intentionally to supply the righties with temporary talking points which if the Dem memo was released would not be sellable even to stupid Fox News watchers. You can't get a FISA warrant without having every detail checked for accuracy by experts. Just read through the memo myself, it looks as though it pretends that the only evidence presented to the FISA Court was the Steele Dossier which I seriously doubt. I don't expect the Dem memo to be released, Trump won't let his phony memo be contradicted by more facts.

#156 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 02:39 PM

one of many headlines out today

"The Memo Saw The Light Of Day, But Was More Valuable Unpublished
It's about as solid as a bowl of jello."

just like the lives of so many trump loving fool(s)

#157 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-02-02 02:40 PM

the right wing Russian operatives spinning and whining on here. Fishmaw, Avigdumb, Ben Buttcrack and AndreaMackerel must be waiting for those sweet, sweet Putin bucks.
#130 | POSTED BY REAGAN58 AT 2018-
Before the election several left wing Democrat operatives here admitted to being paid to post here by the DNC. I see they are still here.

#158 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2018-02-02 02:42 PM

Happy 6th Birthday, JPW

#159 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 02:43 PM

If you had collusion, the proper procedure would be easy. Or at least possible. But nope.

So it goes.

#150 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Still pretending don jr's emails never came out, I see.

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:44 PM

Under the reform i seek, if you like your FBI as is, you can keep your FBI as is.

But prepare to loose elections if you are not the incumbent with many agencies working against you using the best technology PRISM can provide.

#153 | Posted by mutant

So you're going to accept the word of the world's most famous liar that the FBI was out to get him?

If he weren't surrounding himself with russian agents maybe he wouldnt be in this situation.

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:45 PM

"Before the election several left wing Democrat operatives here admitted to being paid to post here by the DNC. I see they are still here."

Then name them.

#162 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 02:49 PM

I got a speeding ticket here in Ft. Lauderdale a few months back because the Ft. Lauderdale Police have been out to get me.

#163 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 02:51 PM

#162
i just have the memory. Ask historian Hans, he can show you the posts. But he probably won't.

#164 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2018-02-02 02:52 PM

Meanwhile back in reality land Feb 8th inches closer.

The day the government runs out of money creeps closer.

And we are arguing about the GOP's latest shiny object.

How is that "level playing field" coming along?

Got that DACA bill all read to debate and vote on?

Let's see... nothing will get done this weekend.

Come Monday we will still be arguing about this stupid meme.

That leaves 2 days to get a bill to the floor that Congress can agree on.

It ain't gonna happen folks.

No wonder the stock market is crashing. They can see what's coming down the track barreling right at us and the whole world and it is not not looking good.

#165 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 02:52 PM

The spin here will make a tilt-a-whirl jealous.

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:08 PM | Reply

Your codpiece is leaking yellow dew dear.

#72 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Get a room.

#166 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:53 PM

#159 keep proving my point.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 02:53 PM

THAT'S 2 NOTS!

#168 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 02:53 PM

#162 | POSTED BY DANNI

I was one. I claimed George Soros pays me. I was joking, but I'm not at all surprised some idiot conservative would thing it was truth. Can you imagine living such a paranoid life?

#169 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-02 02:58 PM

"i just have the memory."

But you just said "I see they are still here." So tell us who they are or else just realize we consider you to be a liar.

#170 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 02:59 PM

"i just have the memory."

But you just said "I see they are still here." So tell us who they are or else just realize we consider you to be a liar.

#171 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 02:59 PM

The dossier was started by Republicans and Hillary decided to pay their share of the tab. Derp.

#172 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:00 PM

his team was colluding with russia!

#144 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

If you know something McCabe, Comey, Ohr, Strozck, Rosenstein et al don't know, state your case.

LOL

#173 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 03:00 PM

The irony in all this is that those of us paying attention have no doubt but that the FBI abuses it's authority on a regular basis in order get warrants. Only difference, 99.999% of the time Republicans have no problem with it because they are going after "bad guys". Only when one of their own is targeted does it suddenly become an outrage. lol. Fuck 'em. What's good for the goose is good for the slimy GOP operative.

#174 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-02-02 03:01 PM

Well, this isn't the bombshell it was purported to be.

That the Steele dossier was used, in part, for the FISA application to monitor Carter Page, is on its face, extremely problematic. However, what we don't know was to what extent it formed the basis of the initial Page FISA application. Had it not been used at all, would the other information presented to the FISA judge been sufficient for approving the warrant? That is the key question for me. If the answer to that question is "yes", this memo is reduced to something slightly more important that a nothingburger. Right now, we don't have the answer to that question.

I don't see anything contained in this memo that would compromise national security. So the hyper-ventilating on that front isn't warranted. I also don't see why Democrats fought so hard against the release of this memo. It's very narrow in its scope and only pointed to ONE potential abuse.

#175 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 03:01 PM

That the Steele dossier was used, in part, for the FISA application to monitor Carter Page, is on its face, extremely problematic.

No it isn't.

#176 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 03:03 PM

Yes Danni, you were 1. I don't have your words so you cansay i'm full of shit. But we both know.

#177 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2018-02-02 03:03 PM

"If the answer to that question is "yes", this memo is reduced to something slightly more important that a nothingburger. Right now, we don't have the answer to that question."

Yeah, go look how it is presented at Fox News.

"Bombshell doc says British spy's dossier, paid for by Clinton campaign, key to Trump snooping warrant"

www.foxnews.com

They will beat this like a drum from now til November. This is the new "Hillary's emails," or the new "Benghazzi."

#178 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:04 PM

"Yes Danni, you were 1."

I wish!

#179 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:06 PM

They will beat this like a drum from now til November.

Because they know that 99% of the mouth breathers composing Trump's base won't bother to read the damned thing themselves.

#180 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:07 PM

"Bombshell doc says British spy's dossier, paid for by Clinton campaign, key to Trump snooping warrant"

Where's the bombshell in all that???

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 03:09 PM

You can't get a FISA warrant without having every detail checked for accuracy by experts. Just read through the memo myself, it looks as though it pretends that the only evidence presented to the FISA Court was the Steele Dossier which I seriously doubt. I don't expect the Dem memo to be released, Trump won't let his phony memo be contradicted by more facts.

#156 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-02-02 02:39 PM | FLAG:

Exactly. The point of the memo is that you can't get a FISA warrant without checking all the boxes. The former administration did not check all the boxes and received the warrant which makes the grantor of the warrant stink and those applying for it stink.

#182 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 03:12 PM

However, what we don't know was to what extent it formed the basis of the initial Page FISA application. Had it not been used at all, would the other information presented to the FISA judge been sufficient for approving the warrant? That is the key question for me. If the answer to that question is "yes", this memo is reduced to something slightly more important that a nothingburger. Right now, we don't have the answer to that question.

#175 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The memo provides the answer:

Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court without the Steel Dossier information.

imgur.com

-page 3

#183 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 03:14 PM

This is how guilty people act.

#184 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-02 03:15 PM

What are they hiding from?

#185 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-02 03:16 PM

Why wouldn't they welcome the thorough investigation be their own appointees, which will eventually prove them innocent?

#186 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-02 03:16 PM

#183 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Thanks. I didn't catch that when I read the memo the first time.

#187 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 03:16 PM

I got a speeding ticket here in Ft. Lauderdale a few months back because the Ft. Lauderdale Police have been out to get me.

#163 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-02-02 02:51 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

I bet it was because they knew you were a Trump hater so they just pulled you over for nothing, most likely beat you and then gave you a ticket and walked away laughing.

#188 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 03:16 PM

Oh right. This is just more proof of guilt.

#189 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-02 03:17 PM

"The former administration did not check all the boxes and received the warrant which makes the grantor of the warrant stink and those applying for it stink."

This just in: The judge who approved it did so in a courtroom where the US Flag doesn't have a gold fringe on it, making the whole thing illegal!

#190 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 03:17 PM

I read the memo. Haven't commented on it before I read it because I don't want to be like...well...every other American, it seems. So, now I've read it, and...You've got to be effin' kidding me! Anyone who has followed this story from the beginning was aware of all this. In fact, the liberal mag, Mother Jones, reported a lot of this stuff some time ago. And it doesn't amount to anything substantial. This is info designed specifically to spoon feed to the Hannitys of the world, so they can use the public's ignorance of FISA to cast doubt on and de-legitimize Mueller's Russian investigation. If Nunez, Ryan and the rest of the Republicans were genetically capable of feeling shame, they should right now. What a big, fat, nothing. Kind of like another big, fat nothing I know.

#191 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2018-02-02 03:18 PM

If someone had an illegal recording of your babysitter admitting to molesting your kids, would you still use that babysitter? I mean the recording was illegal so I guess anything you heard on it should be ignored right? - #140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 02:21 PM
No, I'd not use the babysitter and I'd inform law-enforcement that someone was performing illegal wire-taps.
The memo doesn't attempt to usurp the already running investigation to potential collusion and Russian election interference. It does notify the public of potentially unethical behavior in the request of the FISA warrant, but clearly the reason for that is to muddy the waters in regards to Mueller's investigation.

Kind of like the drip, drip, drip you dopes have been saying for the last year and a half. - #147 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 02:27 PM
Any. Day. Now.

it looks as though it pretends that the only evidence presented to the FISA Court was the Steele Dossier which I seriously doubt. #156 | Posted by Danni at 2018-02-02 02:39 PM
It doesn't pretend that at all. It only claims that 1 piece of evidence had potential bias in its creation and delivery, and that presence of that bias was not passed along to the judge which allowed the warrant.

#192 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 03:18 PM

Paid Democratic operatives admit to posting here?

Why? Because they get paid more for admitting it?

#193 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:18 PM

If you know something McCabe, Comey, Ohr, Strozck, Rosenstein et al don't know, state your case.

LOL

#173 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

How long are you going to pretend don jr never released the emails where he showed intent to collude with the russian government?

#194 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:18 PM

That the Steele dossier was used, in part, for the FISA application to monitor Carter Page, is on its face, extremely problematic. However, what we don't know was to what extent it formed the basis of the initial Page FISA application. Had it not been used at all, would the other information presented to the FISA judge been sufficient for approving the warrant? That is the key question for me. If the answer to that question is "yes", this memo is reduced to something slightly more important that a nothingburger. Right now, we don't have the answer to that question.

#175 | Posted by JeffJ

And the reason we don't know those other details is because repubs have barred us from hearing them. Implying that they are trying to pull off a scam.

#195 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:21 PM

Donald Trump wants to avoid prison. EVERYTHING he does is understandable through that.

If he wants mercy, he's going to have to stop robbing banks.

#196 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:21 PM

I read the memo. Haven't commented on it before I read it because I don't want to be like...well...every other American, it seems. So, now I've read it, and...You've got to be effin' kidding me! Anyone who has followed this story from the beginning was aware of all this. In fact, the liberal mag, Mother Jones, reported a lot of this stuff some time ago. And it doesn't amount to anything substantial. This is info designed specifically to spoon feed to the Hannitys of the world, so they can use the public's ignorance of FISA to cast doubt on and de-legitimize Mueller's Russian investigation. If Nunez, Ryan and the rest of the Republicans were genetically capable of feeling shame, they should right now. What a big, fat, nothing. Kind of like another big, fat nothing I know.

#191 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2018-02-02 03:18 PM | FLAG:

Wrong. Some like Hannity have been reporting this, Trump said in transition he was being wire tapped. People like you said it was all bull and a conspiracy. Now that it is all coming out you're saying nothing to see here, old news. Good luck with that one.

#197 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 03:22 PM

House Intelligence Committee has oversight over the FBI this is perfectly legal to do #balanceofpowers

#198 | Posted by VanDamage at 2018-02-02 03:23 PM

Have they found Hillary's fleet of kamikaze garbage trucks yet?

#199 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:24 PM

#197

WHAT is all coming out?

Jeez, and you interesting people call others hysterical.

Flap. Flap.

#200 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:26 PM

Wrong. Some like Hannity have been reporting this, Trump said in transition he was being wire tapped. People like you said it was all bull and a conspiracy.

LOL what does half-digested regurgitated bullshit taste like? Wisgod's ass?

#201 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:27 PM

Zed posted the same jibberish about Scott Walker. And that's back when he ate solid food!

#202 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:28 PM

Wrong. Some like Hannity have been reporting this, Trump said in transition he was being wire tapped. People like you said it was all bull and a conspiracy. Now that it is all coming out you're saying nothing to see here, old news. Good luck with that one.
#197 | Posted by fishpaw

I have to admit, your ignorance is jaw dropping.

#203 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 03:28 PM

I sure am in you head, JPee

#204 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:28 PM

Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court without the Steel Dossier information.

Does anyone actually have a link to this? Because when I Google for information all I get are articles from infowards, WND, Breitbart Rush Limbaugh ect ect ect.

#205 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:30 PM

Trump must really be bleeding, WISGOD is here.

#206 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:30 PM

I sure am in you head, JPee

#204 | Posted by wisgod

If only you hadn't posted on this thread, then you might have a point.

#207 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:31 PM

It only claims that 1 piece of evidence had potential bias in its creation and delivery, and that presence of that bias was not passed along to the judge which allowed the warrant.

Which begs the question, was the information required to be disclosed and if not, so what?

You may find some enlightenment here. www.lawfareblog.com

#208 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 03:33 PM

Poor Baby. Tough day, ain't it.

#209 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:34 PM

Am I your baby, sweet thing?

#210 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:36 PM

Poor Baby. Tough day, ain't it.

#209 | Posted by wisgod

#129 | Posted by jpw

Keep digging.

#211 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:36 PM

As for it being a tough day, I'm old enough to remember the propaganda ploys the old Soviet Union used to play and they're indistinguishable from what Trump has been attempting.

#212 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:38 PM

Related to this: Why are top Russian spies meeting with Trump officials this week passed?

#213 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:39 PM

Why are Russian spies welcomed by Trump in contravention to US law?

#214 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:40 PM

"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."

Joseph Goebbels

me.me

#215 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:40 PM

"Why are Russian spies welcomed by Trump in contravention to US law?"

If Neo Nazis can be "good people" then so too can be Russian spies.

#216 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:41 PM

Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court without the Steel Dossier information.

imgur.com page 3 of the memo

Does anyone actually have a link to this? Because when I Google for information all I get are articles from infowards, WND, Breitbart Rush Limbaugh ect ect ect.

#205 | POSTED BY JPW

That's hilarious. Pretending like you can't find a link to the memo when I posted the link with the quote.

imgur.com

Are any of you guys going to read the memo? You know, to examine it?

LOL

#217 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 03:42 PM

I'm also old enough to recall that if a Black man we're tagged with what Trump does WISGOD and various running dogs would be bleeding from the nose.

#218 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:43 PM

Are any of you guys going to read the memo? You know, to examine it?

LOL

#217 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

I read the memo.

I just don't trust Nunes so I was doing something called "verifying information".

Try it some time instead of willfully and happily gulping down whatever Trump feeds you.

#219 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 03:44 PM

"Why did Mueller delay sentencing whatsisface the other day?" - #137 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-02-02 02:20 PM

Special Prosecutors ("Mueller") don't sentence.

They do, however, ask the court to hold off sentencing until convicted felons ("whatsisface") are no longer needed to testify in other cases.

It is called leverage.

#220 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 03:44 PM

#217

Several of "you guys" have read it, as see above, begging the question of what you're reading.

#221 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:45 PM

"Are any of you guys going to read the memo? You know, to examine it?"

I did read it. The authors of it seemed to want us to believe that only the Steele Dossier was used to secure FISA Warrants when anyone with any understanding of FISA requirements knows better and it provides an explanation as to why Republicans won't let the Democratically written memo be released.

#222 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:45 PM

Are any of you guys going to read the memo? You know, to examine it?

LOL

#217 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

YOu want us to read a memo written by the guy who claimed his inauguration was the biggest ever, among thousands of other objectively proven lies?

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM

If this is a nothing burger, why is Pelosi yammering about a potential Constitutional Crisis? Hard to gauge liberal butthurt today.

#224 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM

Which begs the question, was the information required to be disclosed and if not, so what? - #208 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 03:33 PM

I'd say it wasn't required to be released, which is why the memo doesn't claim any illegal activity, but instead hits at unethical activity.

Why are Russian spies welcomed by Trump in contravention to US law? - #214 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:40 PM

Which law was that?

#225 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 03:48 PM

Trump didn't write it, stupid

#226 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:48 PM

If this is a nothing burger, why is Pelosi yammering about a potential Constitutional Crisis? Hard to gauge liberal butthurt today.

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM | Reply

It's way above your cognitive understanding level.

#227 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 03:49 PM

#224

Trump will fire Mueller. Constitutional crisis. As soon as tomorrow.

#228 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:49 PM

YOu want us to read a memo written by the guy who claimed his inauguration was the biggest ever, among thousands of other objectively proven lies? - #223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM

Do you really not know who wrote the memo? That's some grade-A ignorance there. Please educate yourself on the subject you are commenting on.

#229 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 03:49 PM

#225

Travel ban. In the interest of United States security. Like you didn't know.

#230 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:51 PM

#229

Someone in Trump's campaign wrote this memo.

#231 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 03:52 PM

YOu want us to read a memo written by the guy who claimed his inauguration was the biggest ever, among thousands of other objectively proven lies? - #223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM

Do you really not know who wrote the memo? That's some grade-A ignorance there. Please educate yourself on the subject you are commenting on.

#229 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Apparently you aren't aware Nunes refuses to deny the White House helped draft the memo.

Do you really not know who wrote the memo? That's some grade-A ignorance there. Please educate yourself on the subject you are commenting on.

#232 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 03:53 PM

Trump didn't write it, stupid

#226 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Are you sure? You should read a bit more before posting.

#233 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 03:54 PM

HAHAHAHA

The memo doesn't even claim what the rwingers are claiming

It states that the Steele information was "AN" essential part

Not "THE" essential part

jesus christ this is funny

IOW the memo itself argues that there were other corroborating support for the FISA warrant

#234 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 03:54 PM

#233 I'm sure you have proof from an anonymous source, right?
LOL

#235 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:56 PM

"If this is a nothing burger, why is Pelosi yammering about a potential Constitutional Crisis?"

Trump and his band of traitors are calling our FBI and our Justice Dept. treasonous liars out to get him even though they are virtually all Republicans. So, when we have a President who is tempted to fire a Special Prosecutor who is investigating himself it creates a Constitutional Crisis as it did when Nixon fired Archibald Cox. In those days though most Republicans were still Americans first and they advised Nixon to resign or be impeached. He chose to resign.

#236 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:57 PM

Are any of you guys going to read the memo? You know, to examine it?

LOL

#217 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Not only did they completely ignore that the Dossier was originally Republican funded but they didn't mention that significant other evidence was used to obtain the FISA warrant or that a judge that it was sufficient.

We finally have a REAL Nothingburger.

#237 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 03:57 PM

So

So far we have that DoJ got a FISA warrant based partially (FROM THE NUNEZ MEMO) on the Steele information
and
Carter Page verified that at least part of the Steele information was correct.

It would be hilarious if the republicans weren't so treasonous

#238 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 03:57 PM

Yeah, Truth. They also used media reporting to leverage the dossier.
You folks are a hoot

#239 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 03:58 PM

Republicans want us to believe that a FISA Judge just hands out warrants willy nilly without demanding verified factual evidence when the warrant is on an American citizen and they all know they are lying.

#240 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 03:58 PM

Yeah, Truth. They also used media reporting to leverage the dossier.
You folks are a hoot
#239 | Posted by wisgod

Your post refutes nothing, thanks

#241 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 03:59 PM

Republican funded by the Washington Free Beacon. I guess Mr. Beacon wanted to be President as much as Clinton!

#242 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:00 PM

233 I'm sure you have proof from an anonymous source, right?
LOL

You do realize that this memo has about as much veracity as an anonymous source, right?

#243 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 04:00 PM

If this is a nothing burger, why is Pelosi yammering about a potential Constitutional Crisis? Hard to gauge liberal butthurt today.

#224 | Posted by wisgod

Because when the president is colluding with out enemies and his party is in power and refuses to hold him accountable, that's a constitutional crisis - a situation our founders never imagined or gave us a remedy for.

#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 04:01 PM

Or even worse, it has only slightly more veracity than the Book of Mormon.

#245 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 04:01 PM

The founders never anticipated that the majority party of Congress would all be traitors.

#246 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 04:02 PM

Let me help you lefty boneheads out here.
Ahem.... the FISA warrants needed to be renewed every 6 months.
The 2nd and 3rd time would require more than the dossier.
There, you're welcome.

#247 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:03 PM

Do you really not know who wrote the memo? That's some grade-A ignorance there. Please educate yourself on the subject you are commenting on.

#229 | Posted by Avigdore

Yeah Nunes wrote it, a trump sycophant, and he won't deny that the white house helped write it.

And he won't let more info about the FISA warrants become public because that would show that the FISA warrant was justified. He just wants idiots to have a little piece of the picture and imagine a big conspiracy.

#248 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 04:03 PM

I'd say it wasn't required to be released, which is why the memo doesn't claim any illegal activity, but instead hits at unethical activity.

So, you concede the information, potential bias, is not legally required to be disclosed. On what basis do you contend there is unethical actively on the part of DOJ lawyers?

I'll give you a head start. Here's the ethical rule regarding candor to a tribunal. www.dcbar.org

#249 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 04:04 PM

"The 2nd and 3rd time would require more than the dossier.
There, you're welcome."

The 1st time it would have required more than just the dossier. That's why the Democrats are screaming about their memo being released. Why don't you want to know the truth Wisgod?

#250 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 04:05 PM

Rick Wilson
‏@TheRickWilson
3 hours ago

Nunes and his little friends
Vowed to bring the pain
But Devin's memo whiffed today
Like a fart in a hurricane

#251 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 04:05 PM

a memo written by the guy who claimed his inauguration was the biggest ever, among thousands of other objectively proven lies? - #223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM

Apparently you aren't aware Nunes refuses to deny the White House helped draft the memo.

#232 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 03:53 PM
His original post didn't claim a White House Staffer assisted in writing the memo. He very clearly stated that Trump wrote it. Why are you now pretending that that we're talking about anything other the TRUMP writing the memo? You don't even think Trump is capable of writing that memo.

#252 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 04:06 PM

Let me help you lefty boneheads out here.
Ahem.... the FISA warrants needed to be renewed every 6 months.
The 2nd and 3rd time would require more than the dossier.
There, you're welcome.
#247 | Posted by wisgod

As has been explained to you, according to the Nunez memo, the INITIAL FISA warrant had more than the dossier.

So continue this argument and you will present yourself as a liar.

#253 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 04:08 PM

"The contents of this memo do not -- in any way -- discredit Mueller's Investigation." - Trey Gowdy

#254 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 04:08 PM

#233 I'm sure you have proof from an anonymous source, right?
LOL

#235 | POSTED BY WISGOD

My source isn't anonymous. It's Nunes. He's been asked several times and refuses to say the White House didn't help write it.

Please try reading a bit more.

#255 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 04:08 PM

His original post didn't claim a White House Staffer assisted in writing the memo. He very clearly stated that Trump wrote it. Why are you now pretending that that we're talking about anything other the TRUMP writing the memo? You don't even think Trump is capable of writing that memo.

#252 | Posted by Avigdore

Semantics. Trump's staff helping write the memo is the same as trump doing it. Except trump's too stupid to write a clever memo, but it clearly carries out his corrupt agenda.

#256 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 04:09 PM

Truth? From who? This would never of came out if Hillary had won. Nobody would have known how Hillary took over the DNC. Your side is bankrupt in the truth department and now people can plainly see it

#257 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:09 PM

Because when the president is colluding with out enemies and his party is in power and refuses to hold him accountable, that's a constitutional crisis - a situation our founders never imagined or gave us a remedy for. - #244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 04:01 PM

'His' party has installed a special council to investigate any possible collusion. What more do you think they should do?

#258 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 04:10 PM

www.yahoo.com

BTW here is the Yahoo news article referenced in the memo.

While yes it appears that some of the sourcing was probably Steele, it also has independent facts that corroborate the steele information

#259 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-02 04:10 PM

Now Trump directed the Memo. Christ, come on! More, more more!

#260 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:11 PM

:Republicans want us to believe that a FISA Judge just hands out warrants willy nilly without demanding verified factual evidence when the warrant is on an American citizen and they all know they are lying."

Kinda.

A review of FISA warrants a few years back found something like 10,000 approved, 2 denies.

So, they do hand them out willy nilly, and thus getting this one isn't suspicious on those grounds.

#261 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 04:11 PM

Now Trump directed the Memo. Christ, come on! More, more more!

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:11 PM | Reply

You should be to China by now sport.

#262 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 04:13 PM

On what basis do you contend there is unethical actively on the part of DOJ lawyers? - #249 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 04:04 PM |

Considering that I never contended that there was unethical activity, only that the memo hinted at it, I don't think that I'll be defending that strawman.

#263 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 04:13 PM

I just listened to a discussion about the matter on NPR, the fact that the warrant was renewed 3 times undermines the Republicans' argument because in order to renew the warrant the FBI would have had to present new evidence of the sucess of the original warrant; what actual intelligence was gotten because of the original warrant. If a warrant doesn't bring usable intelligence it is not renewed because a warrant is not a license to just go fishing.

#264 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 04:14 PM

Now Trump directed the Memo. Christ, come on! More, more more!

#260 | Posted by wisgod

Would it sooth you aching anus if it was worded as the Trump administration wrote the memo?

#265 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 04:16 PM

#5 What are you getting your diaper on fire for. If the memo is full of crap than the Dems should easily be able to prove it wrong. I mean you keep saying it is totally full of crap......even though you haven't read it.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-02 12:13 PM

This is EXACTLY what Trump and Nunes are hoping for: put out a deflection which is itself an unproven assertion, and then posture into: prove our unsupported assertion wrong!...knowing that the FBI is not going to divulge it's FISA tactics. Despicable that GOP is now the party of anarchy and disorder.

Oh, BTW, where was your mistrust of the FBI when they were investigating Clinton for years and then dripping tidbits (that proved to be nothing) for months before the election? I guess that was all part of the strategy to get her elected, right???

The whole premise falls apart upon even a small amount of examination. Thank God for Trumpvoters© though; they are too lazy to read past the headlines.

#266 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-02-02 04:16 PM

Oh c'mon danni! That would only work if the entire deep state wasn't against Trump!

All you've done is prove, PROVE I TELL YOU, that judges are in on it too!

-Trumptards

#267 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 04:18 PM

"What more do you think they should do?"

"They" the majority party should tell the President to stop interfering in the investigation or risk impeachment as they did with Nixon. All us Democrats are asking is that in a matter of possible collusion with a hostile foreign power that the other party remember they are Americans first and act like it.

#268 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 04:19 PM

Yeah, how dare we look left. We should have learned our lesson about the video that got that ambassador killed by God!

#269 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:23 PM

Considering that I never contended that there was unethical activity, only that the memo hinted at it, I don't think that I'll be defending that strawman.
#263 | Posted by Avigdore

You're not saying information regarding potential bias was legally required to be disclosed. You're not saying an ethical violation occurred. So, what are you saying? The memo "speaks for itself?" Took you how many posts to convey that? Seems that is a one and done thing.

#270 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 04:31 PM

Given how the FBI and the DOJ totally tanked the Clinton email investigation I was afraid that they'd go so far as to take unethical and possibly even illegal means to try and take down the Trump administration. If this is the best that Nunes has, I think I can put my fear to rest.

#271 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 04:36 PM

MSNBC is melting down. Word of the day: revolution

#272 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 04:46 PM

Rick Wilson
‏@TheRickWilson
2 hours ago

The Nunes memo is to Watergate as Ishtar is to Lawrence of Arabia.

#273 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 04:51 PM

So, what are you saying? The memo "speaks for itself?" Took you how many posts to convey that? Seems that is a one and done thing. - #270 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 04:31 PM
I was directly responding to the comment that Danni made, which is why I specifically quoted it. I refuted her 'pretend' comment with 1 comment and then was done. Except you questioned me about it, so I responded.

#274 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 04:54 PM

"You're not saying information regarding potential bias was legally required to be disclosed. You're not saying an ethical violation occurred. So, what are you saying?"

CrossCheck?

#275 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 05:00 PM

'His' party has installed a special council to investigate any possible collusion. What more do you think they should do?

#258 | Posted by Avigdore

They could impeach him already for either colluding or being stupid enough to hire a bunch of russian agents.

#276 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:03 PM

More, more more!

#260 | Posted by wisgod

No worries.

More is coming.

The DOW is crashing.

Because they know. We have been here before.

And Feb 8th is only 4 business days away.

#277 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:03 PM

MSNBC is melting down. Word of the day: revolution

#272 | Posted by wisgod

Decent people tend to get upset when a major party decides to protect putin's colluders instead of their own country.

#278 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:05 PM

Andrea True Connection--"More, More, More"

#279 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-02 05:06 PM

MSNBC is melting down. Word of the day: revolution

#272 | Posted by wisgod

Good to see you watching something other than Faux News.

You might actually learn something today.

#280 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:06 PM

Given how the FBI and the DOJ totally tanked the Clinton email investigation I was afraid that they'd go so far as to take unethical and possibly even illegal means to try and take down the Trump administration. If this is the best that Nunes has, I think I can put my fear to rest.

#271 | Posted by JeffJ

Even if solid evidence of trump colluding emerges, do you actually think these republicans would impeach him?

#281 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:08 PM

If this is the best that Nunes has, I think I can put my fear to rest.

#271 | Posted by JeffJ

If this is the best that Trump AND Nunes have (they are working together obviously) then I predict Trump will be indicted before June and he may be taking a few more heads with him.

#282 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:11 PM

Sure, Speaks. The Country is ruined over a memo that half the Libs claim is a nothing burger. You must think the US is made out of crystal

#283 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:15 PM

They could impeach him already for either colluding or being stupid enough to hire a bunch of russian agents. - #276 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:03 PM

Unfortunately Mueller is not leaking any of that collusion evidence. I doubt that stupidity falls into "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

#284 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 05:17 PM

What I learned from MSNBC is that studio must smell like piss

#285 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:18 PM

Recall Tempora and Prism* and the loophole of not spying on your own citizens, hence the existing and apparently misused "exchange program loophole". With this tech we have also known about russian/chinese/gabonese bots for at least half a decade. But today we know that so called patriots are currently using this spoofy tech to undermine the election process, democracy, and justice. FACT! and Disgusting!

*
www.gov.uk

>TFW independents ruled this place and bitched about bad government regardless the clown's (D/R) suffix.

I'll wait until cnn analyzes the memo before reading it too.

#286 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 05:19 PM

I doubt that stupidity falls into "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

#284 | Posted by Avigdore

Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. And his doctor has already eliminated the insanity defense.

So you might as well face it.

Your man is screwed.

#287 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:21 PM

Sure, Speaks. The Country is ruined over a memo that half the Libs claim is a nothing burger. You must think the US is made out of crystal

#283 | Posted by wisgod

No the country is ruined by electing putin's puppet and the party in power deciding to protect him instead of oust him. The country is ruined by telling all the morons that anything negative they hear about the world's most famous liar is just part of a grand media conspiracy.

#288 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:21 PM

What I learned from MSNBC is that studio must smell like piss

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:18 PM | Reply

You're smelling yourself.

The spin here will make a tilt-a-whirl jealous.

Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 12:08 PM | Reply

Your codpiece is leaking yellow dew dear.

Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 12:53 PM | Reply

I was SPOT ON(Pun intended)

#289 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 05:21 PM

"Given how the FBI and the DOJ totally tanked the Clinton email investigation"

Yeah, like finding additional email in Weiner's laptop in September, then delayed discussing it publicly until just before the election and then only saying "oh, sorry nothing new here" two days before the election as Hillary Clinton's poll numbers took a nose dive....and Comey is still a Republican. Give me a break, suspecting the FBI of helping Clinton in the election is ridiculous, exactly the opposite was Comey's obvious intention. It was said at the time that ordinarily controversial things like that do not get announced right before a Presidential election, Comey was advised not to announce but did it anyway.

#290 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 05:22 PM

Unfortunately Mueller is not leaking any of that collusion evidence. I doubt that stupidity falls into "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

#284 | Posted by Avigdore

You don't need it to. You could impeach him for sneezing if you had the votes. Either he colluded with putin or he is so terrible at management that he hired a bunch of russian agents. Under which of these circumstances should he still be president?

#291 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:22 PM

Even if solid evidence of trump colluding emerges, do you actually think these republicans would impeach him? - #281 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:08 PM
I know this was directed at JeffJ, but I'm jumping in. Hope you don't mind overmuch.
I think if solid evidence of collusion emerges, the GOP will seek to move onto questions like 'Is that illegal' and 'Isn't that just like...' and 'But whatabout...'. I doubt that a successful impeachment will occur unless a legal line was crossed. Which brings us back to a thousand posts from last year when people wanted to know what law 'collusion' broke.

#292 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-02 05:22 PM

"The Country is ruined over a memo that half the Libs claim is a nothing burger."

wrong. It's only 1/2 of a nothingburger not even the good half.

You won't want to see the good half.

Too much Russian dressing and way too spicy for you.

#293 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:25 PM

I think if solid evidence of collusion emerges, the GOP will seek to move onto questions like 'Is that illegal' and 'Isn't that just like...' and 'But whatabout...'. I doubt that a successful impeachment will occur unless a legal line was crossed. Which brings us back to a thousand posts from last year when people wanted to know what law 'collusion' broke.

#292 | Posted by Avigdore

Solid evidence emerged in february when don jr's emails came out.

How long can you pretend that never happened?

#294 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:28 PM

Which brings us back to a thousand posts from last year when people wanted to know what law 'collusion' broke.

#292 | Posted by Avigdore

Only patriots who love the USA more than Russia care about collusion. So, you wouldn't understand Comrade.

But, it doesn't really matter because he will be indicted on a minimum of Obstruction of Justice and Money Laundering probably somewhere around June or July.

The elections in November will finish the job.

#295 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:29 PM

"How long can you pretend that never happened?"

As long as he can keep obfuscating and pretending....look over there!

#296 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 05:33 PM

Is his hatred the lefts vision of how to win the House? I mean, your side has been yammering this crap since he took the oath. Do you really think mr. and mrs. John Q Public will buy this for almost 2 years? I mean he's kinda messing up the Black vote with jobs and immigration.

#297 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:35 PM

I mean he's kinda messing up the Black vote with jobs and immigration.

#297 | Posted by wisgod

Yeah I'm sure they'll forget all about that time he said klansmen were very fine people.

#298 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:36 PM

Solid evidence from last February. Someone poke Bob and wake him up

#299 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:36 PM

Maybe their paychecks will remind them starting this month, Speaks. We all know how much people hate money

#300 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:38 PM

I wonder if Steele was biased against Trump before or after he found out his campaign was full of traitors.

The Dotardians seem to think that when Republican appointees see evidence of treason they must still swear loyalty to Trump or they can't be trusted to investigate him.
Dotardians all need a chainsaw enema.

#301 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-02 05:40 PM

We all know how much people hate money

#300 | Posted by wisgod

So you would take 30 pieces of silver to betray back on your own country!

Honorable men cannot be bought off so easily.

#302 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:42 PM

Maybe their paychecks will remind them starting this month, Speaks. We all know how much people hate money

#300 | Posted by wisgod

Go ask a black guy if you can call him an N word for 5 bucks.

#303 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:44 PM

Maybe their paychecks will remind them starting this month, Speaks. We all know how much people hate money

#300 | Posted by wisgod

You have a poor opinion of those people if you think an extra $60 a paycheck will buy their loyalty.

#304 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 05:45 PM

Solid evidence from last February. Someone poke Bob and wake him up

#299 | Posted by wisgod

So Don Jr's collusion emails don't count as collusion because they're from last february?

#305 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:45 PM

Tempora and PRISM jism fer dumees

www.theguardian.com

>let's nock ovah the largest pair of buildings that represent large, huge U$A, then create a program of laws to utilize ALL of the latest tech to spy and manipulate our own meanwhile blaming defunct and radioactive zoned out russia....

What a great century to be alive in - double pluss good.

#306 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 05:46 PM

They don't count as anything if there aren't charges.

H&Rjpee knows every Black only is getting $60 bucks a paycheck now.

#307 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 05:56 PM

They don't count as anything if there aren't charges.

#307 | Posted by wisgod

So if you murder someone and don't get caught, that's not murder?

#308 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:59 PM

"The Nunes memo is out. It's a joke and a sham.

The whole point of the Nunes memo was always to create a pretext for President Trump to try to take control of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's probe, and it remains to be seen whether Trump will convince himself that it does give him this pretext.

But this is going to take a lot of self-deception on Trump's part (not that he won't rise to the occasion), and a lot of aggressive goading from his favorite cable news personalities -- that is, if reality even matters in the least anymore.

Because the memo itself is really just a bad joke.

The memo from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) has now been released, and its contents are almost comically thin in comparison with the great scandal Trump's media allies have been hyping for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Some conservatives reached the same conclusion:


David French

@DavidAFrench
In reflecting more on this, I think Nunes may have just blown up the core Trump defense to the "Russia investigation" -- that it was all fruit of the poisonous Steel tree. Not true. It was already underway.
twitter.com ...
12:44 PM - Feb 2, 2018

Kyle Cheney

@kyledcheney
MEMO UPDATE: SCHIFF tells reporters that only portions of the Steele Dossier -- the ones about Page -- were presented to the FISA Court.

"Some of those things were already subject to corroboration."

Kyle Cheney

@kyledcheney
Schiff also says that the memo's contention that MCCABE said the warrant wouldn't have happened without the dossier was "cherrypicked" and that he was talking about how all elements of FISA applications are interconnected and important.
2:31 PM - Feb 2, 2018

lots more

www.washingtonpost.com

So, even the claim about what McCabe said is just more Nunes spin.

#310 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 06:03 PM

>>>So if you murder someone and don't get caught, that's not murder?

#308 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-02-02 05:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG

#311 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 06:10 PM

>>>So if you murder someone and don't get caught, that's not murder?

#308 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-02-02 05:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Just ask Mr. Seth Rich....Oh, he don't work here no more!

#312 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 06:12 PM

H&Rjpee knows every Black only is getting $60 bucks a paycheck now.

#307 | Posted by wisgod

Statistically they're probably getting less.

Look up statistically (and tongue in cheek) if you're having trouble figuring out what I'm saying.

#313 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 06:12 PM

a memo written by the guy who claimed his inauguration was the biggest ever, among thousands of other objectively proven lies? - #223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 03:47 PM
Apparently you aren't aware Nunes refuses to deny the White House helped draft the memo.
#232 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 03:53 PM
His original post didn't claim a White House Staffer assisted in writing the memo. He very clearly stated that Trump wrote it. Why are you now pretending that that we're talking about anything other the TRUMP writing the memo? You don't even think Trump is capable of writing that memo.
#252 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Because you knew exactly what he meant. You are attempting to take things literally and out of context so you can argue the point.

#314 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 06:23 PM

>>>So if you murder someone and don't get caught, that's not murder?
#308 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-02-02 05:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG
Just ask Mr. Seth Rich....Oh, he don't work here no more!
#312 | POSTED BY MUTANT

I heard there is a tinfoil hat shortage. How are you holding up?

#315 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 06:28 PM

D0ms Continue to Avoid Clean-up of Politicized FBI
aka
"Hit Ain't Wrong when We Do It - only ifn then GOPrs Do"

#309 | POSTED BY 2FRED

You are right. We should clean up the FBI.

Republicans in charge of the FBI for the last 2 years have led to charges of bias.

We should put Democrats in charge!

Glad we could agree on something.

#316 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 06:30 PM

So, even the claim about what McCabe said is just more Nunes spin.

#310 | Posted by Corky

Which is precisely why I was trying to find a quote other than the assertion in the memo.

Hey Notch, you hear that? You're wrong. Again.

#317 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 06:31 PM

So if you're accused of Murder but didn't do it, you're guilty?
Is this how you want to play, Speaks? Maybe JPee can join you and we'll play 2-1/2 Men

#318 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 06:33 PM

Dicksville was born wrong. He's like the poor man's Mackris... who at least made the keen choice to be born with a silver foot in his mouth.

#319 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 06:35 PM

So if you're accused of Murder but didn't do it, you're guilty?
Is this how you want to play, Speaks? Maybe JPee can join you and we'll play 2-1/2 Men

#318 | Posted by wisgod

I didn't say ACCUSED. I said if you COMMITTED MURDER and don't get caught, are you still a murderer?

Don Jr's emails prove he attempted collusion, whether or not repubs ever prosecute him for it.

#320 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 06:42 PM

#281 Speaks,

If Mueller's investigation results in solid evidence of collusion and Trump had personal involvement, yes I think sufficient number of GOP Senators would vote to remove him.

#321 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 06:46 PM

Schiff also says that the memo's contention that MCCABE said the warrant wouldn't have happened without the dossier was "cherrypicked" and that he was talking about how all elements of FISA applications are interconnected and important.
2:31 PM - Feb 2, 2018
lots more
www.washingtonpost.com
So, even the claim about what McCabe said is just more Nunes spin.
#310 | POSTED BY CORKY

I don't understand why the Right does not consider this more significant.

#322 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 06:47 PM

#320

That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".

#323 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 06:48 PM

#321 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What about abuse of power? Lower threshold to prove than obstruction of justice or collusion. Remember, it's typically the cover up that is put in the spotlight and there seems to be a significant trail of evidence pointing to abuse of power.

#324 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 06:49 PM

Stunts like this pathetically anemic memo just draws attention to the desperation of Donald Trump. It reeks of stupid.

I have no idea what was going through Nunes mind when he entered Trump's black hole of obstruction but you'd think, by now, he'd start to wonder if his career ambitions are circling the drain.

#325 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-02 06:50 PM

That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".
#323 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Then why try to cover it up?

#326 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 06:50 PM

Because we know Schiff is a partisan stooge who's been crying ever since the vote about releasing this took place?

#327 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 06:50 PM

- partisan stooge

You could just say he's a Nunes. It's shorter.

#328 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 06:53 PM

If Mueller's investigation results in solid evidence of collusion and Trump had personal involvement, yes I think sufficient number of GOP Senators would vote to remove him.

#321 | Posted by JeffJ

IF? The solid evidence is trump jr's emails as the tip of the iceberg.

And you are completely ignorant of the modern republican party. They're obviously willing to ruin the FBI to protect trump. What is going to make them suddenly grow some patriotism?

#329 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 06:53 PM

Because we know Schiff is a partisan stooge who's been crying ever since the vote about releasing this took place?

#327 | Posted by wisgod

Republican logic: POinting out corruption = crying.

#330 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 06:54 PM

Dotard's own campaign staffer spills the treason beans to start the investigation.
The Dotard invites criminals to publish hacked emails on TV. His own son admits to conspiring with Russian agents against Hillary.
Dotard refuses to implement Russian sanctions desired by Congress.

This is very stupid Watergate.

It shows how sad and pathetic and how low the GoP has sunk since Nixon.

#331 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-02 06:55 PM

That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".

#323 | Posted by JeffJ

Getting your opposition research from the KGB is called colluding with the enemy.

#332 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 06:55 PM

JEFF

"That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".

From Russia?

They tried that and everybody laughed. It's against the law. ~ LOL

#333 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-02 06:58 PM

Maybe JPee can join you and we'll play 2-1/2 Men

#318 | Posted by wisgod

Don't be so hard on yourself, Wis.

Mrs. Wis tells me you're more like 2/3 a man.

#334 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 07:01 PM

I don't understand why the Right does not consider this more significant.

#322 | Posted by rstybeach11

Sheep don't question where they're being led, let alone why.

#335 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 07:02 PM

Because we know Schiff is a partisan stooge who's been crying ever since the vote about releasing this took place?
#327 | POSTED BY WISGOD

What does that have to do with Jr.'s emails? That cover up.

#336 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 07:02 PM

That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".

#323 | Posted by JeffJ

Didn't they promise "talks" (ie negotiations) on "Russian adoptions" in exchange?

Offering policy changes is a different ballgame than just paying for a service.

#337 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 07:03 PM

Pointing out to Speaks that the Justice System says innocent until proven guilty reminds me of when my Son was 5 years old

#338 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:03 PM

Because we know Schiff is a partisan stooge who's been crying ever since the vote about releasing this took place?
#327 | POSTED BY WISGOD

So was Director Wray...Trump's appointed head of the FBI...

#339 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 07:03 PM

Pointing out to Speaks that the Justice System says innocent until proven guilty reminds me of when my Son was 5 years old

#338 | Posted by wisgod

If you see crayon all over your walls and your five year old son says he did it, do you wait for him to be proven guilty?

When someone admits a crime, that's all the proof you need.

Don Jr released proof of his crime.

#340 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 07:08 PM

My understanding is that Muller now has his sights on that meeting with the Russian lawyer. Hopefully he gets to the heart of it sooner rather than later.

#341 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 07:08 PM

#338. Wisgod

Impeachment is not a legal process, it's a political process. A president can be impeached and removed even in the absence of an indictment, much less a conviction.

#342 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 07:11 PM

Pointing out to Speaks that the Justice System says innocent until proven guilty reminds me of when my Son was 5 years old

#338 | Posted by wisgod

You are about as naive as my 5 year old grandson.

If you don't wan to be investigated by the FBI I suggest you don't associate with Russian Spies or try to do business with Russian spies who are posing as businessmen who are trying to recruit you.

Especially if you are thinking of running for President of the United States or be part of a Presidential campaign.

#343 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 07:13 PM

You can fantasize all you want but until Mueller wakes up long enough to present something, you have nothing. Just like what Hillary paid for....nothing.

#344 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:18 PM

Jeff, if they win the House and try it without a case, I'll be in a bunker underground.

#345 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:24 PM

Speaks has been harping on this all day. Post a link to wtf you're talking about him admitting or stfu

#346 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:26 PM

Wis,

Impeaching a President is a historically rare act for a reason.

Democrat leadership, even with a majority, won't move unless they feel they have a strong case.

Remember, it takes 2/3 of the Senate to remove the president.

#347 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 07:30 PM

until Mueller wakes up long enough to present something, you have nothing.
#344 | Posted by wisgod

4 indictments are not "nothing".

And there is more coming.

"I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of the matter to an end. One year of Watergate is enough.'"
-- Richard Nixon.

#348 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 07:36 PM

You can fantasize all you want but until Mueller wakes up long enough to present something, you have nothing. Just like what Hillary paid for....nothing.

#344 | Posted by wisgod

You can keep saying trump jr admitting collusion in writing is "nothing" but that will never make it true.

#349 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 07:43 PM

Remember, it takes 2/3 of the Senate to remove the president.

#347 | Posted by JeffJ

Which is why it won't happen til dems take the senate. Repubs are happy to have a criminal in the white house if he gives tax cuts to their donors.

#350 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 07:44 PM

Those 4 indictments are soooo big! I'll bet Bob is averaging about 20 billion per charge

#351 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:47 PM

Haha. Speaks isn't getting any tax relief for posting here. Boohoo

#352 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:48 PM

Those 4 indictments are soooo big! I'll bet Bob is averaging about 20 billion per charge

#351 | Posted by wisgod

and not nothing... especially to those indicted.

And you think that is all there is?

You and I could never be Bob Mueller.

WE don't have the patience. We want it over now.

THAT is not how it works.

It will be over when Bob Mueller says it's over.

And you will know when it's over.

When the Fat Man sings.

#353 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 07:50 PM

Hope he lives long enough so we don't need a do over.

#354 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:53 PM

#350

It takes much more than just a majority in the Senate to remove a president. That is by design.

#355 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-02 07:53 PM

Best quote of the day: "The Russians said Carter Page was an idiot"

#356 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 07:57 PM

Best quote of the day: "The Russians said Carter Page was an idiot"

#356 | Posted by wisgod

But, they loved his "enthusiasm".

Which is why they actively tried to recruit him.

He is a high energy idiot. Just like Trump.

Which is probably why Trump put him on his campaign team.

#357 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 08:03 PM

High energy idiot, just like Trump. Well, who the hell beat Hillary?
Posts like those aren't going to help the cause. But money will. I hear the DNC doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. How you going to buy a Russian Dossier against everyone and get FISA warrants? Chop, chop

#358 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:17 PM

Haha. Speaks isn't getting any tax relief for posting here. Boohoo

#352 | Posted by wisgod

How many rubles are you getting?

#359 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:19 PM

I hear Paul Ryan likes Vodka and pissed in a University Dorm.
Sincerely, Wisgod Steele

#360 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:19 PM

I hear the DNC doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out.

#358 | Posted by wisgod

I hear the RNC has tons of money because rich sociopaths know that's the party who will obey their commands.

#361 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:19 PM

Enough rubles to put you through 8th Grade.

#362 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:20 PM

It takes much more than just a majority in the Senate to remove a president. That is by design.

#355 | Posted by JeffJ

It was designed by people who couldn't fathom our enemies installing a puppet in the presidency and the congressional majority accepting it.

#363 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:21 PM

Enough rubles to put you through 8th Grade.

#362 | Posted by wisgod

How come an 8th grader can see trump is a con man but you can't?

#364 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:22 PM

Because the 8th Grader thought Hillary was going to win and keep all those regulations and rules safe for her little man and never ever get caught being a crooked bitch

#365 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:30 PM

How you going to buy a Russian Dossier against everyone and get FISA warrants?

I guess some people really do enjoy the taste of BS.

Smile, Wis, there's several metric tons to be eaten over the next 3 years.

#366 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 08:31 PM

and never ever get caught being a crooked bitch

Man you're dedicated.

You love the taste of BS with a nice creamy liquidy BS sauce.

#367 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 08:33 PM

= I'll be in a bunker underground.

Like you're not posting from there already, lmao.

Are you sure you have enough Cheetos, Milwaukee's Best Premium, and MAGA undies stocked in there?

#368 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 08:35 PM

presidential ankle biters are so devolved. the last year reminds me of when all the honkies came out to lynch obama 9 years ago

#369 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 08:37 PM

My gut tells me JPee and Corky didn't learn from the last time they took a bath. You girls going to break out the gold pantsuits out and piss them again when they call the races? Good times

#370 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:45 PM

Mutant can come over and bring his thumb for you two to suck on.

#371 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:47 PM

Good night, Ladies. Don't forget the KY tonight!

#372 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-02-02 08:49 PM

Because the 8th Grader thought Hillary was going to win and keep all those regulations and rules safe for her little man and never ever get caught being a crooked bitch

#365 | Posted by wisgod

Exit on a hillary deflection.

Trump is an IQ test. If you support him, it says a lot about your intelligence.

To people with decent brains, he is the most obvious con man in the country.

#373 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:52 PM

are you barebaking and just kying?

#374 | Posted by mutant at 2018-02-02 08:53 PM

Interesting how those on the right side of the aisle defending this clown car of a "memo" are the Retort embodiment of Hoyt Pollard.

A few exceptions, of course.

#375 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-02 09:25 PM

And at the end of the day this memo is crap, crap, crap. Wholly in the spirit of our crap president, who more than ever is going to prison.

#376 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 09:28 PM

Trey Gowdy says this memo is crap. How do you like them crap apples?

#377 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-02 09:30 PM

I admit it, JeffJ.
This is turning out to be a massive failure on the part of Nunes and Trump.
Now Ryan looks like an idiot (best case).

Wow.

#378 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-02 09:31 PM

"That meeting could also be characterized as "opposition research".
#323 | Posted by JeffJ"

The Watergate break-in is likewise accurately characterized as opposition research.

You routinely make these kinds of comments, that do nothing to advance the dialogue, but do plenty to shit on the dialogue.

What is your motivation?

#379 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 09:35 PM

🎉It's party time on MSNBC!🎉
Gotta thank Wisgod for mentioning it.
Watching it now and they are having one heck of a good time over this stupid memo.
They're playing Fox News and Sean Hannity over and over again! It's hilarious!

#380 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-02 10:07 PM

Serious critique and analysis, the long game may not end well for the proponents of the "mehmo."

Thoughts on the Nunes Memo: We Need to Talk About Devin www.lawfareblog.com

At the end of the day, the most important aspect of the #memo is probably not its contents but the fact that it was written and released at all. Its preparation and public dissemination represent a profound betrayal of the central premise of the intelligence oversight system. That system subjects the intelligence community to detailed congressional oversight, in which the agencies turn over their most sensitive secrets to their overseers in exchange for both a secure environment in which oversight can take place and a promise that overseers will not abuse their access for partisan political purposes. In other words, they receive legitimation when they act in accordance with law and policy. Nunes, the Republican congressional leadership and Trump violated the core of that bargain over the course of the past few weeks. They revealed highly sensitive secrets by way of scoring partisan political points and delegitimizing what appears to have been lawful and appropriate intelligence community activity.

It was a heavy blow to a system that has served this country well for decades, and it is one that will not be forgotten any time soon.

#381 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-02 10:18 PM

#38

NW... prolly the most important aspect of this whole fiasco.

#382 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 10:24 PM

#381, I mean

#383 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 10:25 PM

That's a somber critique, and accurate, too. These actions were brought up over and over again before the release. The Republicans and Trump ignored it all, turned their back on the oath they took, and declassified and released this political propaganda hit piece.

#384 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-02 10:26 PM

Thanks Et_Al.

#385 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-02 10:30 PM

The Republicans and Trump ignored it all, turned their back on the oath they took, and declassified and released this political propaganda hit piece.
#384 | POSTED BY YAV

Sure, sure. But does it matter? If you can't convince the likes of FISHPAW, VISITOR, or RoC, what does it matter?

#386 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 10:38 PM

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Trump just left for Florida. Again. The stock market is crashing, the government is set to shut down next week, there's no deal for DREAMers yet, the SOTU bombed & the Nunes memo is a nothingburger dud. And Trump's headed to Florida for another taxpayer funded vacation. Pathetic.

#387 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-02-02 10:43 PM

- FISHPAW, VISITOR, or RoC

Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe.

www.toywonders.com

#388 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-02 11:01 PM

It was a heavy blow to a system that has served this country well for decades, and it is one that will not be forgotten any time soon.

When Trump was crapping all over the CIA and other intelligence agencies right after his election because they were revealing Russian meddling in the election I made the prediction that career IC folks who'd spent their lives in pursuit of stable national security wouldn't take too kindly too it.

If the response to that was all of the leaked info over the past year to let it be known what Trump was up to I can't imagine what's going to happen with this turd sandwich being lobbed.

Talk about bringing a knife to a car antenna fight.

#389 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 11:09 PM

#387 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT

I would say calling the stock market activity "crashing" is a bit over the top but for the rest it's unfortunately no surprise.

All from the man who the righties here crowed over as a real "leader" when he won the election. "You're gonna see what real leadership is". "Finally, we have a real leader".

PPffffttt. It wouldn't surprise me at this point if all his supporters on here are *ahem* 6'3" and 239 lbs and also look like they're wearing an adult diaper every time they awkwardly three quarter swing that golf club while intently watching it as if finally, this one final time, it won't slice left into the trees.

#390 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-02 11:14 PM

"Sure, sure. But does it matter? If you can't convince the likes of FISHPAW, VISITOR, or RoC, what does it matter?"

How does convincing right wing idiots matter? They don't really know anything, when they do know they just deny it, they are totally dishonest shills. We probably won't convince them, who cares? They are invested in the dishonest untruth. We can't help them, our message needs to be focused on those not owned by the crazy right. And yes, crazy, is the correct description for the Trump supporters. To think otherwise would be....crazy.

#391 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-02 11:19 PM

Hahahaha!

#392 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 11:19 PM

We can't help them, our message needs to be focused on those not owned by the crazy right. And yes, crazy, is the correct description for the Trump supporters. To think otherwise would be....crazy.
#391 | POSTED BY DANNI

And yet here we are; masochists, the whole lot of us.

#393 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-02 11:20 PM

I refuse to believe people can't be helped. I'm not that cynical.

But people have to want help for you to be able to help them.

Once people don't want that anymore, well, it's like in X-Men when Magneto put on the mind blocker helmet because Charles Xavier wouldn't stop saying transgender isn't a disease.

People like this get groomed to thinking their life only has value if it leaves a pile of enemy corpses behind.

Don't worry, right-wingers, your guns will keep you safe!

I guess I ought to ask if there are any right-wingers who favor gun control before I paint you with such a high-caliber brush... oh well.

#394 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 11:58 PM

Brad Heath‏ @bradheath

The curious thing about the Nunes memo is that it doesn't actually accuse the FBI or DOJ of violating any particular law. There are legal standards for warrant applications, material omissions, etc., but it doesn't reference them.

Julia Ioffe‏ @juliaioffe

Some things the Nunes Memo does not explain away:
1) The hack of DNC servers by 2 Russian intelligence agencies
2) George Papadopoulos's contacts with the Russians
3) Michael Flynn's negotiations with the Russian ambassador
4) the Trump Tower meeting
5) Firing Comey

#395 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 12:20 AM

Mike Levine‏ @MLevineReports

Atty Gen Jeff Sessions went off script at human trafficking event this morn to praise Deputy Atty Gen Rod Rosenstein, a reported target of Nunes memo. Noting Rosenstein has 27 yrs at DOJ, Sessions said Rosenstein represents "the kind of quality & leadership that we want" in DOJ.

#396 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-03 12:40 AM

Well, that's something.

If Jeff Sessions can fall on his sword for the FBI, I kind of might like Trump more though.

#397 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-03 03:32 AM

Drain The Swamp!

#398 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-03 03:36 AM

SNOOFY

"Well, that's something.
If Jeff Sessions can fall on his sword for the FBI,"

Don't get your hopes up. Jeff Sessions is a wind sock.

Next time it could be him instead of Nunes.

#399 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-03 05:04 AM

SNOOFY

That reminds me. Since Nunes keep tripping over his own ----, I wonder if his cloak and dagger routine has outlived its usefullness to Trump.

In which case, who's up next to do the dirty work? We know Trump isn't going to quit.

#400 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-03 05:12 AM

Solid evidence emerged in february when don jr's emails came out. How long can you pretend that never happened? - #294 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 05:28 PM
That is definitely solid evidence of Jr attempting to collude with Russia. Now we need to see some evidence that he succeeded. Conspiracy to collude isn't any sort of crime that I've ever heard of. Maybe it is. I certainly don't claim to know all the laws. That's why people have STILL been asking what law was broken. There is a difference between pretending that something doesn't exist and knowing that it doesn't mean what you are claiming.

But, it doesn't really matter because he will be indicted on a minimum of Obstruction of Justice and Money Laundering probably somewhere around June or July.
The elections in November will finish the job. - #295 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-02 05:29 PM

Ok. Like everyone who isn't wildly partisan, I continue to believe that any wrongdoing will be turned up by the investigation, and I am quite content to allow the investigation to continue to do its job.

Because you knew exactly what he meant. - #314 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-02 06:23 PM
Regardless of what he meant, I certainly know what he wrote. It was both untrue and indication of serious ignorance on the subject being discussed.


You can keep saying trump jr admitting collusion in writing is "nothing" but that will never make it true. - #349 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 07:43 PM

I have never claimed that it is 'nothing'. Stop making untrue statements. Once again, is attempted, but unsuccessful (unless Mueller has some evidence that it was successful) collusion against any law? And even if so, what impact does Trump's son's actions have that would lead to the impeachment of President Trump? My parents don't get fired from their job if I cheat on my taxes.


I hear the RNC has tons of money because rich sociopaths know that's the party who will obey their commands. - #361 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:19 PM

Actually, if you'd read the article that I posted about it, the 44% of the RNC's donation totals were from small-dollar donors of $200 or less. You heard wrong.

#401 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-03 07:28 AM

#401

Are your parents agents of an organized criminal operation? If so, their Capo gets in trouble for what they do.

#402 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-03 10:32 AM

Are your parents agents of an organized criminal operation? - #402 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-03 10:32 AM
Not that you have any proof of. Am I being detained?

#403 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-03 10:34 AM

#403

No, just exposed.

#404 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-03 10:47 AM

C'mon Zed. Learn your memes:
Am I being detained?

#405 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-03 11:36 AM

If Rosenstein's referral to a special counsel included a probe into ANY party collusion during the election and not just Trump, this could have been avoided. The only true collusion we've seen is the DNC and Fusion GPS to produce the Steele dossier. Everything else has been circumstantial at best and a waste of tax dollars Maybe he'll widen the scope of Mueller's probe so we can get it all out. I hope we're still not talking about this in 2019!

#406 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-03 11:40 AM

"The only true collusion we've seen is the DNC and Fusion GPS to produce the Steele dossier."

Except not even the stupidest fools pretend that constitutes any form of collusion. It is done every day by virtually every campaign, it's called opposition research. Collusion would require connection between the campaign and an oppositional foreign government such as Russia. Nothing in the Steele Dossier indicates that the Clinton campaign did that but what it does do is make some accusations that Trump was compromised in sexual scandals he can't let be made public because it would ruin him. Let's not get confused about this, the Clinton campaign paid for this dossier, after one of the Republican candidates pre-nomination paid for it. The Clinton campaign did not originate it, it was already there but after Trump gained the nomination, whichever of the Republican candidates who didn't get the nomination had no more use for the dossier and the Clinton campaign bought it. But it was already compiled.

#407 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-03 12:14 PM

"Actually, if you'd read the article that I posted about it, the 44% of the RNC's donation totals were from small-dollar donors of $200 or less."

Barrack Obama average contribution....wait for it.....$65.89!

#408 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-03 12:18 PM

#408 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-03 12:18 PM
I'm glad hear that both the RNC and President Obama are not beholden to rich sociopaths. You should inform SpeakSoftly that you are also refuting his claim.
I hear the RNC has tons of money because rich sociopaths know that's the party who will obey their commands. - #361 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-02 08:19 PM

#409 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-03 01:52 PM

The FBI is like a hooker at church. How she's treated by others is heavily dependent upon what she's doing at the time.

#410 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-03 02:11 PM

Conspiracy to collude isn't any sort of crime that I've ever heard of. Maybe it is.

Actually, it is:

‘Stop using "collusion" as a short-hand for criminality'
Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using "collusion" as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn't mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.

For example, if Donald Trump Jr. sought "dirt" on Hillary Clinton from the Russians, he might be charged with conspiring to violate the election laws of the United States, which prohibit foreign nationals from contributing any "thing of value" to an electoral campaign. The opposition dirt is at least plausibly a thing of value. And to the extent that the Trump campaign aided, abetted or advised the Russians (or any other hackers) about what would be most useful to steal from the Democrats or how best to enhance the impact of their release, they may well have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Of course, none of this excuses the apparent cover-up, which is often as bad as the original crime. Lying to the federal government in your registration forms or your security application is a false statement. Using the wires to perpetrate your crime is often wire fraud. In short, let's stop talking about "collusion" and instead talk about real crimes that may, or may not, be proven -- violations of election law, computer hacking, false statements and wire fraud. ...

‘Evidence might establish other crimes'
Norman Eisen is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2009 to 2011 and ambassador to the Czech Republic from 2011 to 2014.

Collusion simply means that Donald Trump, his campaign or their representatives were working with Russia or its agents to affect the campaign. There is no crime of collusion, but if it were proved, that evidence might establish other crimes, such as conspiracy to commit cybercrime (with respect to hacking) or campaign finance violations (with respect to soliciting a thing of value from a foreign government, namely damaging information). Evidence of possible collusion is starting to come in, include Roger Stone's contacts with "Guccifer"; actions by a GOP activist, Peter Smith, who apparently sought help from Russia and named campaign officials in related documents; and, of course, the just revealed emails and conduct of Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner in meeting a Russian lawyer.

www.politico.com

There's more. It's from July 2017, but I just might post it as it's own thread.

#411 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-03 09:20 PM

EDIT:

*Actually, it is not: ...

#412 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-03 09:21 PM

That's why people have STILL been asking what law was broken. There is a difference between pretending that something doesn't exist and knowing that it doesn't mean what you are claiming.

There is no excuse for willful ignorance. The information in #411 has been available for a while now. The fact you're mentioning the above this late in the game reveals your tell: willful ignorance.

#413 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-03 09:26 PM

So if Trump had hired a foreign spy to dig dirt on Hillary with KGB agents that would be ok? Give me a break. Let's widen the scope of Mueller's investigation to include not only Trump campaign but any other campaign or party collusion and /or coordination with enemies of the US, particularly Russia. Really, is this where you want to go with this or do you want Congress to do its job?

#414 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-04 05:14 AM

#114

I think all traitors should be hung. That's why Donald and Eric and Don,Jr. are frightened of people like me.

You're not an American, Nuke Gently, You're a Republican.

#415 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-04 08:59 AM

Actually more of a Libertarian Zed but thanks for playing. When you have no valid argument, go ad hominem. Logically invalid, millennial approved.

#416 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-04 10:57 AM

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