Tuesday, January 30, 2018

House Votes to Make Secret Memo Public

The House Intelligence Committee on Monday evening voted to make public a GOP-crafted memo alleging what some Republicans say are "shocking" surveillance abuses at the Department of Justice (DOJ), according to the committee's Democratic members. The committee voted against making public the Democrat-drafted minority memo, but did vote to release it to the entire House, Democratic lawmakers said. The majority of lawmakers expressed concern that the minority memo would damage sources and intelligence methods, according to Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.).

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#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-29 06:45 PM

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Surprised that Schiff had not leaked it already.

Must not support the false Russia narrative.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-29 07:10 PM

More rwing nonsense. Think about it... Carter Page needed to be investigated.

The Unlikely Martyrdom of Carter Page
In a more rational world, the fact that Trump's Justice Department sought to surveil the former Trump aide would undermine his claim to political persecution.

Focusing on the Page warrant is a surprising strategy. It is not difficult to imagine that the American intelligence community had more information about Page than what was in the Steele dossier. As early as 2013, the U.S. government believed Russian intelligence was trying to recruit Page as an asset. The FBI was also surveilling him in 2016, prior to any warrant request that Rosenstein would have approved.

www.theatlantic.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-29 07:15 PM

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

As I said on another thread...

Sunlight is a good cheap disinfectant for a lot of things. But, not the best.

Unfortunately, the ultraviolet light in sunlight breaks down chemical bonds and causes colors to fade and fabrics, vinyls and plastics to deteriorate rapidly.

So, while we may shine a light on the memo I suspect without any underlying evidence to back it up there will just be more deterioration of our national unity and more chaos and more divisions of American society.

In other words, these continued efforts to sow chaos and discord will not benefit our country in the end and only make things worse.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-29 07:28 PM

An incredibly sad day for the United States of America.

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-29 07:33 PM

"Both votes -- to release the GOP memo and withhold the Democratic one -- were along party lines."

There's a real surprise!

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 07:36 PM

If this memo is everything Democrats claim it to be you'd think they'd want it revealed. Because it should be easy to disprove and thus prove the GOP is engaging in a partisan hit job.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 07:43 PM

#7 - Apparently the Republicans are quaking in their boots over the Democratic findings, since every Republican voted against releasing their findings.

The problem with releasing this memo is it will do what the Republicans want - stir their base up, give the myrmidons something to hold on to no matter how untruthful, and any attempt to fix the damage will have minor impact.

This is what the GOP knows and that's the game they've decided to play. Destroy the DOJ, the FBI, the FISA Courts, whoever and whatever challenges the grand wizard Trump.

My great hope is there are enough people left in the United States to see what's actually going on and revolt en masse at the ballot box. Throw them out.

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-29 07:53 PM

#6

If you read the whole article, you run into this:

"Conaway did not rule out the possibility that the Intelligence Committee may vote at a later date to release the Democratic memo.

"The House hasn't had a chance to look at the minority report, nor have we," he said, adding that he would support a vote to release it. "That'll come later, after the House has had a chance to look at it.""

So it appears that the vote on the minority report is not final, but merely tabled until the entire House gets a chance to review it.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-29 08:00 PM

Wait until maximum damage has been done, then they'll think about reading the rebuttal. Then they'll think about releasing it... I mean, they won't rule out the chance that they might release it...

Terrific.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-29 08:26 PM

#8

Like I said, if Democrats can effectively rebut the GOP summary, the GOP is going to look VERY bad and this will backfire on them.

I guess we'll know soon enough.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 08:30 PM

#11

Agreed. I wonder how much of the angst exhibited by the Dems stems from how bad the memo is going to make Obama's DOJ look and how much stems from actual national security concerns. If it is the latter, than the GOP will have once again succeeded in putting the grenade in their mouth and throwing the pin.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-29 08:37 PM

#13

I'm wondering the same thing.

Like I said, we will know soon enough.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 08:45 PM

#13
#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You've siloed yourself a bit too far, Jeff :)

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-29 08:48 PM

Yav,

It could go either way. Seriously. Most likely, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 08:57 PM

#11 no, I don't think it will.

What affect did the hyperventilating about secret societies and conspiracies over lost text messages have on the GOP's repuatation? Nothing.

They've been lying for so long their base thinks it's normal and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell them being dishonest with this memo will amount to anything.

Why else do you think they have enough confidence to use this strategy?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-29 08:58 PM

Anything tied to the Obama DOJ will undoubtedly be also tied to the Bush Jr. DOJ.

Unfortunately, that simply won't matter to Trumpians. It's no longer the GOP, it's now the POT (i.e., Party of Trump). This is scary.

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-29 08:59 PM

You're going to need a lot of a$$cream for all that fence-sitting your doin' there JEFFJ.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-29 09:07 PM

#13
I'm wondering the same thing.

Like I said, we will know soon enough.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#13
I'm wondering the same thing.

Like I said, we will know soon enough.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#13
I'm wondering the same thing.

Like I said, we will know soon enough.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

...

It's a neverending loop of JEFFJ patting himself on the back; unsurprisingly reminiscent.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-29 09:10 PM

"Conaway did not rule out the possibility that the Intelligence Committee may vote at a later date to release the Democratic memo.

Like they don't rule out a vote to save the Dreamers. They may vote on it at a later date. They are the controlling party. They are going to vote to release the Dems memo and they are going to vote to save the Dreamers when Trump joins a Buddhist monastery

"Play as dirty as your conscience will permit. Undermine them, sabotage them, and discredit them. Be ruthless and show them absolutely no mercy. This is not the time for Christian forgiveness
because these are people who have not repented, these are people who are trying to destroy you and are quite willing to harm your family and your children in the process. Take them down and take them out without hesitation"

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-29 09:32 PM

#18 and #19

I have no idea where you construe me patting myself on the back. As for fence sitting... what else should I be doing at this point in time on this issue? We haven't seen the Nunes memo. When we do see it we won't see the supporting evidence for the summary. When Dems counter we won't see their supporting evidence either. Sitting on the fence on this issue is the logical position IMO. When we know a lot more then it will make sense to take a position.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 09:40 PM

I saw an opening to be an a$$hole and jumped in head first. Meant all in jest.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-29 10:16 PM

#22

Meant all in jest?

Well that changes things.

It's all good.

Seriously

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 10:28 PM

Democrats need to just leak their rebuttal memo and tell the Repukes to go F themselves.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-30 08:11 AM

"Yav,
It could go either way. Seriously. Most likely, the truth is somewhere in the middle."

Typical Jeff. That's simply hilarious Jeff. And sort of pathetic too.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-30 08:14 AM

"Yav,
It could go either way. Seriously. Most likely, the truth is somewhere in the middle."
Typical Jeff. That's simply hilarious Jeff. And sort of pathetic too.

#25 | POSTED BY DANNI

Please expound.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 09:46 AM

Democrats need to just leak their rebuttal memo and tell the Repukes to go F themselves.

#24 | POSTED BY DANNI

I agree. Get it out there. Clear the air. Transparency, and all that.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 11:45 AM

Transparency, and all that.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ

Don't forget the Sunlight! It's the new buzz word.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-30 02:17 PM

It may be the new buzz word, Donner, but in this context it just sounds stupid.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 02:21 PM

The GOP releases their spin on what happened while suppressing any opposing account.

Why are they suppressing the democrat version? What are they afraid of?

#30 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-30 02:35 PM

30- The FBI has reviewed and can't find any errors.

#31 | Posted by homerj at 2018-01-30 03:51 PM

Why are they suppressing the democrat version?

#30 | POSTED BY 726

How are they suppressing the Democrat version?

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 04:01 PM

"Like I said, if Democrats can effectively rebut the GOP summary, the GOP is going to look VERY bad and this will backfire on them.
I guess we'll know soon enough.
#11 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Maybe. Are you confident that Repubs will allow the Dem rebuttal to go public?

#33 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-01-30 05:13 PM

"I wonder how much of the angst exhibited by the Dems stems from how bad the memo is going to make Obama's DOJ look and how much stems from actual national security concerns.
#12 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

I wonder how much of the angst exhibited by the GOP in refusing the release the Dem's rebuttal memo stems from how bad the memo is going to make Trump and his sycophants look and how much stems from actual national security concerns.

#34 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-01-30 05:14 PM

How are they suppressing the Democrat version?

#32 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Because the Repubs control the committee. The Dems can't release it on their own.

#35 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-01-30 05:21 PM

To quote the leaker Adam Schiff.

..."when you have a deeply flawed person in the Oval Office, that flaw can infect the whole of government."

We saw this in the case of Lois Lerner and others at the IRS.

We are now seeing evidence of this in Obama's FBI and DoJ.

#36 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-30 05:26 PM

To quote the leaker Adam Schiff.
..."when you have a deeply flawed person in the Oval Office, that flaw can infect the whole of government."
We saw this in the case of Lois Lerner and others at the IRS.
We are now seeing evidence of this in Obama's FBI and DoJ.

#36 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Well, only if you get your news exclusive from Hannity and Fox & Friends.

For those living in the real world, its another story when it comes to Lois Lerner, the FBI and DOJ.

Oh and remind me, which party did Mccabe belong to? Hint hint: It wasn't the Democrats.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-30 05:55 PM

"Like I said, if Democrats can effectively rebut the GOP summary, the GOP is going to look VERY bad and this will backfire on them.
I guess we'll know soon enough.
#11 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Explain to me how it could possibly be rebutted even if its completely fake?

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-30 05:57 PM

#34

So far the GOP members on the committee are saying any Dem memo should follow the same path as the GOP memo. I don't think that's unreasonable.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 06:35 PM

Dem memo should follow the same path as the GOP memo. I don't think that's unreasonable.

#39 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Not surprising as you are a partisan hack. Both should be withheld or released together. It is disgusting that Nunes, et al would make party politics out of such an important national security issue.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-30 06:43 PM

"So far the GOP members on the committee are saying any Dem memo should follow the same path as the GOP memo."

The path being... let the GOP majority decide what the path is.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-30 06:47 PM

From my most recent Google search Schiff hasn't even shown GOP members on the committee his memo and it may not even exist. I'm at the bar and this search was done on my phone.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 07:06 PM

Natasha Bertrand‏ @NatashaBertrand

News: @RepAdamSchiff sent a Dear Colleague letter to all House members this morning inviting them to view the Democrats' rebuttal memo, which he says "corrects the record and supplies context and detail absent from" the Nunes memo.
Members can view it after signing an NDA.

[I assume the NDA is because Schiff wants to run it by FBI and DOJ before releasing it in case they want to omit anything based on national security reasons.]

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-30 08:07 PM

Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff

Committee Republicans JUST voted to declassify their spin "memo" and prohibit release of the Democratic response in what they claimed was "the interests of full transparency." It was transparent alright – transparently cynical and destructive.
6:42 PM - 29 Jan 2018

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-30 08:08 PM

Yea, that is what I saw. Schiff wanted to release it, but no one had see it.

Don't worry, Schiff will leak it.

#45 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-30 08:08 PM

How are they suppressing the Democrat version?

#32 | Posted by JeffJ

You don't know?

www.npr.org

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-30 08:10 PM

Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff

The same President who excoriated Clinton after FBI found her handling of classified info extremely careless, now urges release of classified info that DOJ has called "extraordinarily reckless." He's consistent -- consistently self-serving.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-30 08:10 PM

The rule used by Nunes is equally available to Schiff. Rules that were written in the 70's but never before been used. www.lawfareblog.com

Schiff should have followed the exact same process as Nunes at the exact same time. He wouldn't be left with his pants down if he had.

#48 | Posted by et_al at 2018-01-30 08:33 PM

Donner,

In your NPR link it refers to the Dem version as a "secret memo". Have any members of the GOP even seen this memo?

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 08:34 PM

The rule used by Nunes is equally available to Schiff. Rules that were written in the 70's but never before been used. www.lawfareblog.com
Schiff should have followed the exact same process as Nunes at the exact same time. He wouldn't be left with his pants down if he had.

#48 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Several months ago Nunes shot from the hip and got burned. It looks like he's been very cautious this time around and perhaps learned from his past mistake.

Like you said, Schiff got caught sitting on his hands and now he's trying to call "foul".

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-30 08:38 PM

Have any members of the GOP even seen this memo?

#49 | Posted by JeffJ

I don't why they wouldn't. They voted not to release it. What do you think?

Has the Justice Department had an opportunity to review the GOP "secret memo" before it will be released publicly?

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-30 08:42 PM

Has the Justice Department had an opportunity to review the GOP "secret memo" before it will be released publicly?

#51 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Yes. The Executive gets to review the document for 5 days and has final say as to whether or not its released.

Have any members of the GOP even seen this memo?
#49 | Posted by JeffJ
I don't why they wouldn't. They voted not to release it

They did? I can't find anything via Google that says they voted against releasing it. Does it even exist?

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 10:00 AM

"Yes. The Executive gets to review the document for 5 days and has final say as to whether or not its released."

Wrong. Trump is not the DOJ. And he is not going to "review" it. He has already said he is going to release it. As we know he would.

So not even close.

And the Dems do have "secret memo".

And the gop voted against releasing it.

Sorry your google is broke.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 11:01 AM

"They did? I can't find anything via Google that says they voted against releasing it. Does it even exist?"

See #43 & 44.

FBI Director Opposes Memo Release Because of Inaccuracies,

www.bloomberg.com

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:07 AM

Wrong. Trump is not the DOJ. And he is not going to "review" it.

The DOJ is part of the Executive branch.

And the Dems do have "secret memo".
And the gop voted against releasing it.
Sorry your google is broke.

#53 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Can you source that. I can't find it.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:12 AM

I came across this:

The ENTIRE House was invited to read the Nunes memo. For a WEEK. That included EVERY single Democrat member.

Schiff didn't invite a SINGLE Republican to view his memo.

Why the dishonest framing of this issue here from you?


www.trendsmap.com

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:19 AM

Intel Committee Votes To Release Secret GOP Memo, Withhold Democrats' Rebuttal

www.northcountrypublicradio.org

Natasha Bertrand posts a copy of Schiff's letter asking colleagues to view Dems rebuttal memo:

twitter.com

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:19 AM

How can the committee vote on a memo they haven't seen?

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:20 AM

"Schiff didn't invite a SINGLE Republican to view his memo."

He has now. See my above post. Also, you can't expect the Dems to have had their rebuttal memo ready at the same time the GOP released their secret memo to House members because the Dems would have had to read the GOP memo first in order to write their rebuttal, which would have taken some time. GOP memo is said to be 4 pages long, Dems memo is said to be 10 page. Original FISA warrant both are said to be based on is 50 to 60 pages:

John McLaughlin @jmclaughlinSAIS

FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet it's a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that.

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:24 AM

"How can the committee vote on a memo they haven't seen?"

You can pretend this is all normal procedure and fair to both sides, but it's not. What's the GOP's rush? Why can't they wait until both memos can be released simultaneously? Because they want to get theirs out first and poison the well. Also, there is no guarantee Trump and the GOP will ever agree to release the Dems memo. Personally, I'd bet money they won't. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. The whole point of the GOP memo is to undercut the FBI, DOJ and Mueller's investigation. They can't do that and be fair and balanced at the same time.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:31 AM

#34

I don't think there is "angst" on the GOP side, since as Et Al points out, Schiff didn't get his counter memo going through the same process when Nunes started his. if there are truly no national security concerns in the GOP memo, there is no good reason why the Dems counter memo couldn't be sanitized to be the same. if it is legit and gets released later, the MSM will run with it like mad.

If the GOP memo is as blatantly a fraud as the Dems so fervently wish it to be, it will blow up in their face.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 11:31 AM

And let's just say this: If you've scoffed, even once, at the Fusion GPS dossier because of unsubstantiated details, but you're prepared to believe every line of a memo put together by somebody as sketchy as Devin Nunes, you are a hypocrite.

www.redstate.com

The problem I have with a summary of this nature is we don't get to see the back up. We don't get to see the proof.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:34 AM

If the GOP memo is as blatantly a fraud as the Dems so fervently wish it to be, it will blow up in their face.

#61 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I've said the same thing.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:36 AM

"I don't think there is "angst" on the GOP side, since as Et Al points out, Schiff didn't get his counter memo going through the same process when Nunes started his."

Did he actually have the chance to do that? How long did the GOP work on their memo before Dems could read it? Dems had to wait to read the GOP memo before they could refute it, and as I said, that would have taken time.

"if there are truly no national security concerns in the GOP memo, there is no good reason why the Dems counter memo couldn't be sanitized to be the same. if it is legit and gets released later, the MSM will run with it like mad.
If the GOP memo is as blatantly a fraud as the Dems so fervently wish it to be, it will blow up in their face."

Both the DOJ and FBI Director Wray have warned against the release of the GOP memo. Does anyone here really think the GOP will agree to release the Dem memo that undercuts their own? Yeah, right. How can the Dems, and the press for that matter, refute the GOP memo if their hands are tied by the GOP and by needing to protect classified info in the Dems case or not having access to it in the first place in the case of the press? They can't and that's what the GOP is counting on.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:39 AM

How can the Dems, and the press for that matter, refute the GOP memo if their hands are tied by the GOP and by needing to protect classified info in the Dems case or not having access to it in the first place in the case of the press? They can't and that's what the GOP is counting on.
#64 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

If the GOP refuses to allow the Dem memo to follow the same process that their own memo went through, it will be pretty obvious as to why and their keeping it under wraps will look worse than if its contents are released.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 11:54 AM

BTW, Nunes might not be out of the woods yet in all of this, which is why I think he is working so hard to get the SC investigation discredited. Not only is he trying to protect Trump, he is trying to protect himself:

Investigation Into Devin Nunes

The House Intelligence Committee chair claimed he'd been completely cleared, but the panel probing his conduct never gained access to the intelligence he was accused of divulging.

www.theatlantic.com

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 11:56 AM

"If the GOP refuses to allow the Dem memo to follow the same process that their own memo went through, it will be pretty obvious as to why and their keeping it under wraps will look worse than if its contents are released."

Maybe to most rational people but not to the Trump sycophants, supporters and lackeys. IOW not to Trump voters and most of the GOP in Congress, who hold all the levers of power. Also, I think a lot of susceptible people will get caught up parroting whatever talking points the GOP pushes about the memo. You would not be so blasé if it was the Dems about to release a secret memo without allowing the GOP to respond.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 12:02 PM

You would not be so blasé if it was the Dems about to release a secret memo without allowing the GOP to respond.

#67 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I'm blase for a couple of reasons. One, without supporting evidence, everything in the memo must be taken with a BIG grain of salt. Two, if the memo is as Democrats are describing it, releasing it will blow up in the GOP's faces. It absolutely will.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 12:23 PM

"Two, if the memo is as Democrats are describing it, releasing it will blow up in the GOP's faces. It absolutely will."

From your lips to God's ears.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 12:26 PM

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Surprised that Schiff had not leaked it already.
Must not support the false Russia narrative.

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Great. Release the Dem memo too.

And the actual evidence rather than a memo written by GOP staffers.

And lets see those Trump tax returns too!

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, right hack?

#70 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-31 12:44 PM

Good article to read for help deciphering the secret memo:

Five Questions the Nunes Memo Better Answer

In sum, the Nunes Memo reportedly alleges that at least a dozen FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors fabricated evidence, engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit perjury, lucked out on being randomly assigned Judge Low Blood Sugar who looked the other way, and – coincidentally – ended up obtaining evidence that justified extending the initial FISA surveillance. This conspiracy was presumably signed off on by former FBI Director James "I Cannot Tell a Lie" Comey – who, while conspiring to bring down Trump, actually shifted the election in his favor by informing Congress he had reopened the Hillary Clinton email investigation one month after the Page FISA warrant. The sham FISA was validated by one or more federal judges who either didn't know better or were in on the whole secret and later accepted and used by Special Counsel Mueller who was not a part of the FBI during this time at all. And despite this widespread and outrageous conduct, the current Assistant Attorney General, a Trump appointee, wrote Nunes about the memo to say, "we are currently unaware of any wrongdoing relating to the FISA process."

www.justsecurity.org

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 12:54 PM

They voted on party lines to release the memo to the public, which had already been reviewed by the house members. They voted UNANIMOUSLY for the Dem memo to be reviewed by the house members. After the review period, the committee will have another vote on whether to release the response memo to the public. Just because you get your homework in late, does not mean you can't get dinged for not being diligent - and by "dinged" I mean that you cannot avoid the regular process. Everyone should get "participant" ribbons though, right?

#72 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-31 01:28 PM

They voted on party lines to release the memo to the public, which had already been reviewed by the house members. They voted UNANIMOUSLY for the Dem memo to be reviewed by the house members. After the review period, the committee will have another vote on whether to release the response memo to the public. Just because you get your homework in late, does not mean you can't get dinged for not being diligent - and by "dinged" I mean that you cannot avoid the regular process. Everyone should get "participant" ribbons though, right?

#72 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

That's one cute way to put it.

Another is that the Democrats had to draft a memo to counter the lies in the Republican memo. Not sure how they would do that without first seeing the Republican memo.

And remind me, who wrote the memo? GOP Staffers? ...I'm sure its completely accurate.

#73 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-31 01:39 PM

The proof is in the pudding. I have no doubt we'll see both. We may even see the Dem memo first because leaks.

#74 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-31 02:09 PM

We may even see the Dem memo first because leaks.

#74 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

I doubt it, given that it's mostly a response to the GOP memo.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 02:14 PM

"And lets see those Trump tax returns too!"

And the WH visitor logs.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 02:17 PM

Y'all know that a candidate is only required to disclose tax returns if they are receiving matching funds. That's so 2016

#77 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-31 02:49 PM

I doubt it, given that it's mostly a response to the GOP memo.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ

And you know that how exactly?

It's still "secret".

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 03:39 PM

And you know that how exactly?
It's still "secret".
#78 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Best guess. Why else would Democrats create a counter-memo?

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 03:44 PM

Why else would Democrats create a counter-memo?

#79 | Posted by JeffJ

To show what a truthful summary based on underlying evidence (instead of the GOP distortions) would actually look like.

The GOPers just want to get their narrative (made up talking point that have no relationship to the underlying documentation) out there first so they can spread their lies for a week or two to undermine the FBI investigations before the Dems can release an actual executive summary. Everyone will remember the first memo of lies and innuendos but they never remember the retraction of those lies (if it even occurs). We know how it works now....

The lies and deceptions will be repeated ad infinitum by the same useful idiots that spread the Russian bot lies about Clinton and they will linger long after they are released into the wild and long after they are debunked.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 03:57 PM

The GOPers just want to get their narrative (made up talking point that have no relationship to the underlying documentation)

And you know this, how?

It's certainly possible, don't get me wrong. But you come across as 100% positive and the memo hasn't even been released yet.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 04:11 PM

Why do the dems hate transparency?

#82 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-31 04:16 PM

Donner,

I understand your concern.

You, Hans, Gal and some others all raise some fine points.

The problem is nothing has really happened yet.

Let's see how this all plays out.

Also, for the record, I am skeptical of this memo. I don't like that it's a summary without any supporting evidence. I get the sense that it's factually accurate but it might be very misleading anyway based upon what isn't in it - deception by omission.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 04:16 PM

Why do the dems hate transparency?

#82 | POSTED BY MSGT

I won't speak for Democrats, but liberals on this site have raised a number of very legitimate concerns.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-31 04:17 PM

The GOPers just want to get their narrative (made up talking point that have no relationship to the underlying documentation)

And you know this, how?

Because I am paying attention. Nunes is working with the White House. They are trying to undermine the investigation in anyway they can now. Even if it means causing chaos in the DOJ and FBI.

And they are playing by Scorched Earth rules with the Dems.

"Play as dirty as your conscience will permit. Undermine them, sabotage them, and discredit
them. Be ruthless and show them absolutely no mercy."

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 04:27 PM

I get the sense that it's factually accurate but it might be very misleading anyway based upon what isn't in it - deception by omission.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ

I get the sense it is factually inaccurate and misleading.

Intentionally.

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 04:29 PM

"I don't think there is "angst" on the GOP side, since as Et Al points out, Schiff didn't get his counter memo going through the same process when Nunes started his.
#61 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

Did you really write this? I thought you were a lawyer? You are suggesting that someone file a rebuttal memo simultaneously with the memo it is intending to rebut? How stupid are you?

#87 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-01-31 04:42 PM

The problem is nothing has really happened yet.

Let's see how this all plays out.

Oh we will.

But, I am learning to read Trump. Not an easy thing to do most of the time.

But, in this case his action can be predicted easily.

He will release the memo to much fan fare after he pretends to read it for 5 days then send out some tweets slamming the FBI and Mueller and the Dems in an attempt to derail the investigation. He might even drag Hillary back into it but he'll save his special sauce for McCabe and Comey.

And he is cooperating fully because "there is absolutely no collusion and everyone agrees there is absolutely no collusion. Also, there is no collusion. So let's see how this all plays out and, of course, it will be done by Thanksgiving or Christmas or maybe Festivus day.

And did I mention there is absolutely no collusion?

Also, it is a witch hunt and a hoax.

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 05:04 PM

The House Intelligence Committee in action.

Transcript: House Intelligence Committee Meeting Regarding the Nunes Memo

www.lawfareblog.com

Why as a scan rather than an electronic format, perhaps a pdf? So the public can't copy and paste their remarks?

#89 | Posted by et_al at 2018-01-31 07:20 PM

Thanks for the transcipt ET_AL

I read most of it and saw that the minority tried to get both memos released to the house and the public via the DOJ and the FBI but the GOP would have none of it.

Very scummy.

Their goal is so obvious.

Even a caveman could see it.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 07:46 PM

Here's a summary of the transcript linked at 89.

It Was Worse than You Think: The House Intelligence Meeting on the Nunes Memo www.lawfareblog.com

The points in the section titled "Schiff makes his second motion:" are revealing.

#91 | Posted by et_al at 2018-01-31 10:01 PM

Great link, ET_AL!

None of the Democrats appear to have been aware of this investigation. Quigley argues that Nunes has violated rule 9(a) of the committee's rules, which requires the committee to conduct investigations "only if approved by the chair in consultation with the ranking minority member" -- meaning Schiff. But Schiff says that this is the first he's been formally notified of it.

Quigley asks Nunes whether he has coordinated the memo with the White House. "As far as I know, no," says Nunes. Quigley then asks whether any of the majority's staff have coordinated with the White House. Nunes refuses to answer and cuts him off. ...

Swalwell suggests that, if Nunes insists that the FBI and Justice Department are under investigation, the committee could pass the memo to an inspector general of another agency for review before its release. He suggests the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Nunes does not respond.


And everyone thought Nunes was playing the game far more appropriately than when he went running to the White House in the middle of the night a few months back.

Clearly, he is in WAAAAAAY over his head and not capable of being objective (even as limited that may be innately within the political realm).

#92 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 10:10 PM

Why as a scan rather than an electronic format, perhaps a pdf? So the public can't copy and paste their remarks?
#89 | POSTED BY ET_AL

I wouldn't look TOO deep into this. I can digitally manipulate that file with relative ease.

#93 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 10:12 PM

Check that...

WITH EXTREME EASE:

UNCLASSIFIED

BUSINESS MEETING

Monday, January 29, 201'8

U.S. House.of Representatives,
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,
Washington, D.C.

The committee met, pursua_nt to call, at 5:06 p.m., iri Room HVC-304, the
Capitol, the Honorable Devin Nunes [chairman of _the committee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Nunes, Conaway, King, LoBiondo, Rooney,
Ros:- Lehtinen, Wenstrup, Stewart of Utah, ·Crawford, ·Gowdy, Stefanik, Hurd,
Schiff, Himes, Sewell, Carson, Speier, Quigley, Swalwell, Castro, and Heck.


Anything else that you want copied and pasted?

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 10:14 PM

THE CHAIRMAN: Until this matter is taken care of. As it relates to this, .
anything that is outside of the scope of this review that we are doing of DOJ and
FBI, we will continue to have meetings with FBI and DOJ.

MR. QUIGLEY: Mr. Chairman, the investigation you reference, when was
that notion of the investigation brought before the minority to discuss? As time
immemorial, we will have at least hadlsome discussion about how to go forward
with any investigations, much less of our own DOJ and FBI. When was that
discussed with I

THE CHAIRMAN: Is the gentleman yielding?

MR. QUIGLEY: I am certainly .-

THE CHAIRMAN: So as you are aware, we have issued several
subpoenas that were opposed by the minority. We brought the -- this memo to .
make it available to the House. That was Opposed by the minority.

SO we have publicly stated numerous times that we have concerns about
FISA abuse, many members on this side. I understand the minority does not
believe that there is EISA abuse. But that is

MR. QUIGLEY: With respect for that answer, there was no formal set
sit-down, let's talk about this. I

Mr. Chairman, let me ask you one mere question.

THE CHAIRMAN: I would just -- if the gentleman would yield, I remind that
this committee has many agencies under investigation and these investigations

are ongoing, just as the minority might have investigations that are ongoing.

UNCLASSIFIED


www.lawfareblog.com

I know, I know...now I'm just showing off.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 10:16 PM

#95

How did you do that? I run into document scans irl that it would be very helpful if I could c&p from them.

#96 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-01 12:52 AM

#96 the document is inside a window, at the top there's a grey tab for Document, Pages, Text.

If you go to Text you can just copy and paste the text. I would guess the text is OCR'd from a scan of the document, e.g. not textually authoritative, and full of OCR induced artifacts.

If you are looking for software that can perform this task from a PDF or whatever scan you might have, it's call Optical Character Recognition, OCR.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-01 01:44 AM

lol

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-01 01:45 AM

The lies and deceptions will be repeated ad infinitum by the same useful idiots that spread the Russian collusion lies about Trump and they will linger long after they are released into the wild and long after they are debunked.

#80 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-01-31 03:57 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Fixed that one for you

#99 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-01 11:24 AM

Fixed that one for you

#99 | Posted by fishpaw

Kinda like the republicans "fixed" the memo after it was voted on and before it was given to the White House?

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