Monday, January 22, 2018

Senate Votes to End Shut Down

A 17- day stopgap agreement that would fund the government until Feb,. 8 is being voted on in the Senate. Both sides are saying publicly that they will vote for this short-lived solution. "So long as the government remains open, it would be my intention to take up legislation here in the Senate that would address DACA, border security and related issues as well as disaster relief, defense funding, health care and other important matters," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the Senate floor. DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) gives immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children the right to stay and work in the U.S.

Comments

SO... now we know how easy it is to get the Republicans to even hold a vote on DACA, something that the vast majority of Americans, including Republicans, support.

All it takes is a government shut down.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-22 12:58 PM


Senate votes to end shutdown
© Greg Nash

The Senate voted Monday to reopen the government, ending a three-day standoff that left federal agencies shuttered and hundreds of thousands of workers furloughed.

Democrats agreed to advance a stopgap spending measure lasting until Feb. 8 after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) promised to allow an immigration bill to reach the floor next month. The vote was 81-18.

thehill.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-22 01:05 PM

Trump will be taking credit for opening the government that he closed any second.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 01:33 PM

Thank God for Donald Trump. Without his brilliant leadership and unsurpassed negotiating abilities this shutdown would have dragged on and on. We are lucky to have a leader of such size and stability!

(Is it even possible at this point to say anything positive about Trump without sounding unintentionally yet completely sarcastic?)

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-22 01:44 PM

(Is it even possible at this point to say anything positive about Trump without sounding unintentionally yet completely sarcastic?)

#4 | POSTED BY MODER8

No citation necessary

:-)

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 01:47 PM

The only way to look at it, the Democrats (Party of Obstruction) blinked. They stared into the abyss and saw Trump smiling back at them.

#6 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-01-22 01:52 PM

Visitor, you are one delusional dude. Thanks for the laugh.

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-22 01:53 PM

The only way to look at it, the Democrats (Party of Obstruction) blinked.

Shining a light on Republican cockroaches (Party of Obstruction) will now force them to negotiate a REAL solution to DACA (a problem that Trump created).

So in spite of Humpy Trumpy wanting a good shutdown the government will reopen.

And knowing the Republicans we will probably be right back here again Feb 8th.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 02:05 PM

Thank God for Donald Trump. Without his brilliant leadership and unsurpassed negotiating abilities this shutdown would have dragged on and on. We are lucky to have a leader of such size and stability!
(Is it even possible at this point to say anything positive about Trump without sounding unintentionally yet completely sarcastic?)

#4 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-01-22 01:44 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Yes, this could have lasted 17 days like Obama's in 13.

#9 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-22 02:14 PM

#1

"now we know how easy it is to get the Democrats to back off their demands that DACA be part of the Continuing Resolution, something that the vast majority of Americans, including Republicans, support."

FTFY

#7

Actually, Visitor is right, but it wasn't Trump that they saw, it was the voters in the 24 States where Democrat Senate seats are up for re-election.

#8

I think that the DACA issue will be resolved fairly quickly once it is the primary focus of Congress. We may be back on the 8th, but I doubt it now that the shutdown sideshow is over.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-22 02:21 PM

"Actually, Visitor is right..."

I can't remember even one time when visitard was right about anything.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 02:29 PM

Yes, this could have lasted 17 days like Obama's in 13.

#9 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-22 02:14 PM | Reply

The best moment of that one was Lyin Ted Cruz crying about all the veterans that could not go to the WWII memorial because of the shutdown he demanded.

#12 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-22 02:34 PM

"The best moment of that one was Lyin Ted Cruz crying about all the veterans..."

I enjoyed the reading of Green Eggs and Ham at the US Senate at taxpayer expense. So VERY professional.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 02:36 PM

Democrats need to change their logo from a donkey to a jellyfish, because they are spineless. Never saw a group of idiots so afraid of their own shadow.

#14 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-22 02:50 PM

Someone in the press just asked the White House spokesman, "What is best in life?"

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-01-22 02:53 PM

#s 11 and 13

I agree, for the most part, on both of these.

#14

That is the first NW I have ever given Monson...well done.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-22 02:59 PM

The Dems probably blinked because they read the polls.

"A majority of polled voters oppose shutting down the government over Democratic demands that a budget deal include provisions to shield from deportation immigrants who came to the country illegally as children, according to the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll.

When respondents were asked whether they "favor or oppose Democrats voting to shut the government down" if the funding measure does not restore work permits for those protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, 58 percent said they oppose a shutdown.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-22 03:39 PM

I say let the GOP vote to deport the Dreamers, and then let the country watch as the GOP attempts to do so. Then Democrats, Dreamers and their supporters should hold a mass protest and work shutdown that makes A Day Without Mexicans pall in significance.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 03:44 PM

- I think that the DACA issue will be resolved fairly quickly once it is the primary focus of Congress.

What a maroon. The GOP could have brought this up for a vote anytime this year. But voter suppression is more important than what 87 percent of the public wants.

- The Dems probably blinked because they read the polls.

The Dems finally got Yurtle to bring a vote he refused to bring on a very popular program. Now the GOP has to go on record against it... and defend that record in Nov.

Trump Trolls notwithstanding.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-22 03:47 PM

Now that CHIP is off the table, all eyes turn to Trump's much anticipated "bill of love":

Trump touts 'bill of love' for Dreamers and raises sweeping immigration reform

www.theguardian.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 03:50 PM

All this because Mexico won't pay for the wall.

#21 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2018-01-22 03:53 PM

All this because Steven Miller and John Kelly have replaced President Bannon in the WH.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 04:02 PM

Dems came to their senses.

They saw they could not win when they were putting illegal immigrants over US Citizens.

#23 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-22 04:13 PM

Gal-

No way that the GOP deports the Dreamers, only the DRtards like Dorky think that is even remotely a possibility (because, you know..."voter suppression" LOL).

The GOP has been holding DACA up for a broader immigration bill and the Dems want DACA as a stand alone, simple as that. Trump can't get out of his own way, as usual, but I think that something like the bi-partisan proposal that was made a couple of weeks ago will ultimately go up for debate and a vote.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-22 04:14 PM

How much would it cost to deport 800,000 Dreamers? It's unfeasible. It's stupid to even try to defend it.

The Great Negotiator has failed again.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2018-01-22 04:19 PM

This was just a shot across the bow. Government workers should use these next few weeks to get their affairs in order.

Next time (feb 8th) after the Republicans show their true colors, it won't be solved this quickly.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 04:20 PM

When respondents were asked whether they "favor or oppose Democrats voting to shut the government down" if the funding measure does not restore work permits for those protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, 58 percent said they oppose a shutdown.
#17 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That number drops down to about 24 percent if we take out people who would NEVER vote Democrat anyway. So... yeah, pretty happy with that number, thanks!

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 04:20 PM

Humpy Trumpy
#8 | Posted by donnerboy

I like that. It's better than Dotard.

#28 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-01-22 04:25 PM

"I think that the DACA issue will be resolved fairly quickly once it is the primary focus of Congress. We may be back on the 8th, but I doubt it now that the shutdown sideshow is over."

I do think DACA will be an easy kill. What I'm less certain of is how chain and lottery migration are going to play into future discussions. My understanding is that these were a large part of what derailed the legislation this time.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-22 05:09 PM

Just sat in the gallery Saturday night. Democracy is dead. No debate on the senate floor. No one present save a couple of senators talking to the air. Back door BS.

#30 | Posted by handy_man at 2018-01-22 05:24 PM

- No way that the GOP deports the Dreamers

Yeah, right, Porky. Because Republicans are neither that cruel nor that stupid, eh?

But I guess it must be tough being a rwing mouthpiece for the GOP... after having to defend traitors and clowns like Nixon, Reagan, GW, and now Agent Orange, you'd think some people would learn.

But, noooooo.... they just keep making excuses for the inexcusable.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-22 05:39 PM

Gotta love it when "small government" "conservatives" enact policy requiring 3.5 million judicial deportation hearings for 3.5 million DREAMers.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 06:23 PM

So Senate Dems are yellow once again. Sad.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-22 06:36 PM

The best moment of that one was Lyin Ted Cruz crying about all the veterans that could not go to the WWII memorial because of the shutdown he demanded.

The best moment of this one was Tammy Duckworth calling out Trump from the Senate floor:

"I spent my entire adult life looking out for the well-being, the training, the equipping of the troops for whom I was responsible," Duckworth continued. "Sadly, this is something the current occupant of the Oval Office does not seem to care to do -- and I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger."

Duckworth saved her zinger for the end, a dig at the medical reason Trump has claimed was why he was able to avoid military service for the fifth time.

"And I have a message for ‘Cadet Bone Spurs,' " Duckworth said. "If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops, and millions of innocent civilians, in danger."

www.washingtonpost.com

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:14 PM

Lawrence O'Donnell‏ @Lawrence

Lawrence O'Donnell Retweeted Vox
CHIP is what Dems won today.

Vox‏ @voxdotcom

CHIP is finally getting funded -- after 114 days without a budget

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:38 PM

Democrats are funding CHIP for six years and reopening the government without losing their shutdown leverage.

www.vox.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:39 PM

1) There's a rollicking debate on Twitter over whether Democrats "caved." I'll confess that I'm mystified by this argument. For the moment, this seems like a good deal -- but it's impossible to say anything definitive without knowing what happens over the next three weeks.

From GAL's link in #36.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 08:45 PM

Paul Krugman‏ @paulkrugman

I just don't see this as a Democratic cave. Maybe you can argue that a prolonged shutdown would somehow get DACA now now now. But what they got was CHIP extension, a promise to get legislative play for Dreamers, and a chance to call foul in 3 weeks

Joy Reid‏ @JoyAnnReid

Joy Reid Retweeted Mark Harris
Exactly. Dems freed 9 million hostages. Republicans have to negotiate without the CHIP kids locked in the basement next time. And if the moderates fail to get a veto-proof bill, we'll be right back at #TrumpShutdown on February 8th at 11:59 p.m.

Mark Harris‏ @MarkHarrisNYC

One party just got CHIP re-funded.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:49 PM

Numerous "if" statements there. If. If. If.

If the Dems don't get what they want in three weeks, claim the GOP reneged on a promise, and shut down the government again, they will be blamed for it again.

I doubt the Dem's up for reelection in November will be willing to go through two shutdowns within a month's time.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 09:10 PM

My if thought: What if the Dems don't shut the govt down and call their bluff instead; let the GOP vote to deport the Dreamers and let's see what happens.

Another if thought: What if more people realize elections matter, that there is a difference between the 2 parties, and if you don't like what happens when the GOP controls all 3 branches of govt, you need to get out and vote for Democrats next time.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 09:22 PM

when the GOP controls all 3 branches of govt, you need to get out and vote for Democrats next time.
#40 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That's not so much an if as it is a probability.

History dictates so.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 09:24 PM

I saw Pence's little spiel before the troops. It was vile and despicable. How someone who calls himself a Christian can lie so egregiously is beyond me:

Joe Scarborough @JoeNBC

Mike Pence launching partisan attacks in front of troops overseas is unspeakably bad. That he would do so after Democrats tried to guarantee pay and Republicans stopped it makes it so much worse.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 09:34 PM

"When respondents were asked whether they "favor or oppose Democrats voting to shut the government down""

Gee, could you ask a more loaded question?

I know...

Do you believe any party that controls the House, the Senate, and the White House should be able to keep the government running?

or how about--

Do you believe Republicans should be taught how to count to 60?

Let's see the survey answers to those.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 10:31 PM

Who pays for 3.5 million deportation hearings? Mexico?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 11:00 PM

#43 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The Democrats folded in a huge way on this for a very real reason.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 11:13 PM

"The Democrats folded in a huge way on this for a very real reason."

Several, probably.

One was to get CHIP funded and off the table.

Another was to get a CR that didn't go past the SOTU. Icing on the cake was McCaskill proffering to pay the troops, and McConnell objecting.

In 17 days, when McConnell hasn't lived up to his "intention" regarding DACA, Shumer will have ammo for -------- Shutdown 2.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 11:31 PM

In 17 days, when McConnell hasn't lived up to his "intention" regarding DACA, Shumer will have ammo for -------- Shutdown 2.

#46 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I really think that is what it is going to boil down to.

Keep in mind though - the promise was to have an up/down vote - the promise was NOT to get something passed.

Having said that, I get the sense that both parties want to do something regarding DACA so some kind of deal wouldn't shock me.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 11:53 PM

" the promise was to have an up/down vote - the promise was NOT to get something passed."

When it's a 90/10 issue, Dems win either way: an up vote is a win; a down vote puts one more nail in the Rs generational coffin.

Rs are foolish to mix Dreamers with immigration.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:06 AM

"How someone who calls himself a Christian can lie so egregiously is beyond me:"

Haven't you heard?

Christianity, like a lot of religions, allows lying in furtherance of the greater good...which always happens to be the mother religion, of course.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:16 AM

When it comes to "Dreamers" (I hate that term, BTW), I think it comes down to a matter of degree.

We are talking about a range of just under 700k to a bit under 3 million people. That is a HUGE range.

Then, what concessions go along with forgiving illegal entry? Increased border security? Mandatory E-Verify? How many qualify? Where does the stupid border-wall factor-in?

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:20 AM

"Then, what concessions go along with forgiving illegal entry?"

First, it wasn't their illegality.

Second, the hoops are sizable as they are, yes?

"Increased border security?" "Where does the stupid border-wall factor-in?"

How about if we start at a few high-level perp walks? Even at a million a pop, one hundred CEOs taken to jail will dry up the illegal hiring quicker than any wall, and for a lot less cash.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:30 AM

How about if we start at a few high-level perp walks? Even at a million a pop, one hundred CEOs taken to jail will dry up the illegal hiring quicker than any wall, and for a lot less cash.

#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I am ALL about crushing incentive to come here illegally.

I would add to your suggestion - a 100% dry-up of ALL public funds for ANYONE who is here illegally. In fact, I think this needs to happen first. A person coming here solely looking for work is going to produce more than someone coming solely looking to take advantage of our generous taxpayer-funded handouts.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:35 AM

" a 100% dry-up of ALL public funds for ANYONE who is here illegally. "

What specific, generous, taxpayer-funded handouts are illegals currently sopping up?

www.politifact.com

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:54 AM

What specific, generous, taxpayer-funded handouts are illegals currently sopping up?

Public education springs to mind.

I personally feel that maximum efforts should be made to prevent and/or deter people from coming to this country illegally.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:58 AM

"Public education springs to mind."

That's not punishing the perpetrators, that's punishing the victims. And trading one headache for a much, much bigger one.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:01 AM

"I personally feel that maximum efforts should be made to prevent and/or deter people from coming to this country illegally."

Starting before your ancestors got here, or after?

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:02 AM

They stared into the abyss and saw Trump smiling back at them.

#6 | POSTED BY VISITOR

Great. So you admit that Trump embodies all the most horrible characteristics humanity possesses.

So why do you still support him?

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 01:02 AM

"I would add to your suggestion - a 100% dry-up of ALL public funds for ANYONE who is here illegally."

That's asinine.
Who will even get paid to arrest them?
How about their trial, no public defender?
For someone who claims to love the Constitution you sure just wiped your ass with it.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:02 AM

"Who will even get paid to arrest them?"

I'm sure Mexico will pay for that, too.
~Donnie

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:04 AM

Let's make sure the person who is here illegally and gets that nagging cough can't get any public funded health care. That way, instead of being treated and isolated, the worst flu in decades can spread throughout the community.

Heckuva job, JeffJ.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:07 AM

"I would add to your suggestion - a 100% dry-up of ALL public funds for ANYONE who is here illegally."
That's asinine.
Who will even get paid to arrest them?
How about their trial, no public defender?
For someone who claims to love the Constitution you sure just wiped your ass with it.

#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I am advocating deterrence.

If we are going to make it next-to-impossible for illegal aliens to get work, even temporary work, then it's equally important to make sure that they are ineligible for government benefits as well. Eliminate ALL incentives for coming here illegally, and our problems are diminished

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:10 AM

"I am advocating deterrence."

No, you're advocating financial assault.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:12 AM

"If we are going to make it next-to-impossible for illegal aliens to get work, even temporary work, then it's equally important to make sure that they are ineligible for government benefits as well."

No it's not.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:12 AM

A person coming here solely looking for work is going to produce more than someone coming solely looking to take advantage of our generous taxpayer-funded handouts.

#52 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Do you have a remotely credible link to back this assertion?

And why not have both thoughts in your head at once? Cut off both incentives if that's what you're after, that way we can save a couple tens of billions of dollars by not building some useless, stupid wall.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 01:13 AM

As my flu example ought to have made clear, it's a very obviously bad idea to make them ineligible for government benefits.

What part of that example didn't you understand? Explain your thought process to me, of what happens when a sick illegal immigrant shows up at the public hospital.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:14 AM

How about their trial, no public defender?
For someone who claims to love the Constitution you sure just wiped your ass with it.

#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Why else do you think the GOP has been printing it in two ply form since GWB was POTUS?

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 01:14 AM

I am advocating deterrence.

If we are going to make it next-to-impossible for illegal aliens to get work, even temporary work, then it's equally important to make sure that they are ineligible for government benefits as well. Eliminate ALL incentives for coming here illegally, and our problems are diminished

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

WOW How unAmerican.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-23 08:10 AM

As my flu example ought to have made clear, it's a very obviously bad idea to make them ineligible for government benefits.
What part of that example didn't you understand? Explain your thought process to me, of what happens when a sick illegal immigrant shows up at the public hospital.

#65 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-01-23 01:14 AM | FLAG:

Maybe a hard working illegal who has some medical experience (you know because according to open border liberals most illegals are hard working and college educated) could open up a free clinic for sick illegals.

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-23 09:20 AM

This is a stupid system.

#69 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-23 11:41 AM

Under current immigration rules, most of this forum couldn't qualify for citizenship.

#70 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-23 11:42 AM

Under current immigration rules, a rich person from a -------- country can come here much easier than a poor person from Norway. Provided Norway even has any poor people. I suspect it's much nicer to be poor in Norway than it is here, so it's kind of a moot point...

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 11:50 AM

I suspect it's much nicer to be poor in Norway than it is here, so it's kind of a moot point...

#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-01-23 11:50 AM

Glad you found your new home...oops, they are one of the strictest of the European countries to emigrate to.

Norway toughens residence rules

#72 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-23 01:14 PM

www.newsinenglish.no

#73 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-23 03:57 PM

Looks like we get to shutdown again. Schumer has pulled wall funding off the table. Sufficiently shamed by #SchumerSellout. So much for a deal.

#74 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-23 08:09 PM

"Schumer has pulled wall funding off the table."

Sounds like Trump should've taken the deal when it was offered.

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 08:13 PM

Or Schumer could stand up for what he agreed to. Both sides are looking bad.

#76 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-24 07:10 AM

Or Schumer could stand up for what he agreed to. Both sides are looking bad.

#76 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-01-24 07:10 AM | REPLY |

Like Trump did?

Oops thats right he lied AGAIN

Funny how people led by a bowl of jello with a bad toupee think they can demand more of anyone else

#77 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-24 11:25 AM

#77 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2018-01-24 11:25 AM | FLAG:

Yay, whataboutism. That'll make the illegal immigrants leave Schumer alone, certainly.

#78 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-24 11:39 AM

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