Sunday, January 21, 2018

White House Budget Director: Shutdown 'Kind of Cool'

White House budget director Mick Mulvaney described it as "kind of cool" that he's technically in charge of shutting down the government during an interview Friday. "Obviously, I'm heavily involved in this, Sean, is that the Office of Management and Budget is charged with, you know, sort of implementing running a shutdown," Mulvaney said on conservative commentator Sean Hannity's radio show before the shutdown went into effect. He added, "In fact, I found out for the first time last night that the person who technically shuts the government down is me, which is kind of cool."

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During the 2013 government shutdown under President Barack Obama, Mulvaney was serving as a Republican congressman representing South Carolina. He considered himself part of the "Shutdown Caucus" -- the hardline conservatives who objected to the funding of the Affordable Care Act included in the government spending bill.

The 2013 shutdown lasted 16 days and cost the economy an estimated $20 billion, according to an estimate from Moody's Analytics.

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If he thinks he has the coolest job to shut down the government, then I imagine we're not going to see the government open again any time soon. Last time it was 17 days. This time?

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-21 10:45 AM

These people are so ridiculously out of touch.

Tell me again, righties, how awesome it'll be having "businessmen" run our country like a business.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-21 11:41 AM

Like a business means no one can question their decisions.

#3 | Posted by cbob at 2018-01-21 01:06 PM

This is the part where the business declares bankruptcy and the owners walk away.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-21 01:26 PM

Kind of hard to blame the Democrats when the Republican in charge of the shutdown thinks it's "cool."

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-21 01:37 PM

They are trying to minimize 'damage' due to the shutdown, unlike obama who did things like spitefully placing barricades at the open air WW II monument in DC.

#6 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-21 01:48 PM

"They are trying to minimize 'damage' due to the shutdown"

The White House public 'call and comment' line has the following message:

"Thank you for calling the White House. Unfortunately, we cannot answer your call today, because Congressional Democrats are holding our funding, including funding for our troops and other national security priorities, hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. Due to this obstruction, the government is shut down."

Minimizing. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-21 02:15 PM

#7 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-01-21 02:15 PM | FLAG: Yes, minimizing, as opposed to obama's maximizing.

#8 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-21 02:29 PM

I doubt the govt shutdown lasts longer than the one in 2013

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-21 03:10 PM

Maybe they need to cut this guy's paycheck off because of the government shutdown. I bet then he wouldn't think it was cool then.

#10 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-21 07:02 PM

They have actively chosen to not weaponize the shutdown as Obama did.

Good for them.

Now if the Dems would put US Citizens above Illegal Immigrants this can be all over.

#11 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-21 07:27 PM

"They have actively chosen to not weaponize the shutdown"

I guess poison pills must not be weapons, when you're a Trump supporter.
Makes sense, your new favorite foreign leader uses polonium to kill his political opponents.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 07:28 PM

"Now if the Dems would put US Citizens above Illegal Immigrants this can be all over.
#11 | POSTED BY SAWDUST AT 2018-01-21 07:27 PM | REPLY"

Watches nothing but fox news.

#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-01-21 08:01 PM

Obama blocked the vets from visiting the WWII memorial, etc.

Once again Repubs will be shown to be more compassionate and less vindictive than Dems.

#14 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-01-21 08:11 PM

"Once again Repubs will be shown to be more compassionate and less vindictive than Dems."

Try reading the new tax code. That ship already sailed.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-21 08:24 PM

"Obama blocked the vets from visiting the WWII memorial, etc.
Once again Repubs will be shown to be more compassionate and less vindictive than Dems.
#14 | POSTED BY SAWDUST AT 2018-01-21 08:11 PM"

The barricades in 2013 did not prevent public access and were placed due to procedure dictated by law, but feel free to spin this for political points.

#16 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-01-21 09:10 PM

You can tell the Rube that is SawDust gets his talking points from Fox (the original fake news) and Breitbart.

#so sad

#17 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-21 10:38 PM

Authoritarian types always think the power to choose which lucky ones are spared the gallows is kind of cool.

The republicans had the power to choose not to hang anyone and they CHOSE not to.

#18 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-22 09:26 AM

Try reading the new tax code. That ship already sailed.

#15 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-01-21 08:24 PM | FLAG:

People did. Republicans went from -17 to -5 in polls due to it.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:03 AM

"Republicans went from -17 to -5 in polls due to it." - #19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:03 AM

RealClearPolitics has the average approval rating of Congress at -57.7%.

You know, the same Congress with a Republican majority in both houses.

Yeah, that Congress.

And the same source shows on the generic ballot an average +7.8% advantage for Democrats.

But cute job of mixing a Quinnipiac poll of 1/5 - 1/9 with a CNN poll of 1/14 - 1/18.

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 10:21 AM

"People did."

No they didn't.

They listened to folks tell them it's a "middle class tax cut" that will "drive jobs and wages", and they fell for it.

No one who actually read the new tax code, or the admissions from Steven Moore and John Feehery, could possibly believe the tax code isn't "vindictive".

When reality hits, expect the negative numbers to return.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 10:34 AM

When reality hits, expect the negative numbers to return.

#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-01-22 10:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Reality is hitting. The same poll that had Dems up with R's -17 now have R's at -5, all from tax reform. Turns out people like getting more money back. Now Dems will have to run on a huge tax hike, and that never plays well.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:50 AM

and given you're a tax pro, how do you have so much free time to post? My friends in the business are working 12 hour days, 7 days a week through April like they do every year.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:50 AM

"Turns out people like getting more money back."

Turns out people haven't realized the equation is for a family of four to borrow $24,000 for a monthly payout averaging $100.

"Now Dems will have to run on a huge tax hike, and that never plays well."

Or stopping a heist. The fact more goes to foreign investors that middle-class American workers might move the needle.

"and given you're a tax pro, how do you have so much free time to post?"

I do it on my breaks. And check the calendar; it's January, before paperwork is sent out. Right now it's all prep, answering questions, and finishing my annual 65-page newsletter.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 10:56 AM

"The same poll that had Dems up with R's -17 now have R's at -5.." - #22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:50 AM

Liar.

#25 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 10:57 AM

"all from tax reform."

Tax "reform"...???

What flavor kool-aid did you drink?

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 10:58 AM

"They are trying to minimize 'damage' due to the shutdown, unlike obama who did things like spitefully placing barricades at the open air WW II monument in DC."

Lies.

If Republicans wanted to "minimize" the damage they would appropriate funds to pay the troops etc like they did in 2013.

And they could open the government in a few hours if they wanted to. Being as they control the House the Senate and the White House.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 10:58 AM

feel free to spin this for political points.

#16 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE

That is exactly what they are doing in Congress right now. Rather than negotiate they are too busy placing blame and pointing fingers to solve anything. I cannot see how they will ever open the government until they actually start working together. The Republicans got their tax cuts for the wealthy and so now they think they can steamroll the Dems. The Dems apparently are not going to rubber stamp these hateful attempts to continually undermine the government month after month. I support their effort to stop these ridiculous and damaging CRs which are nothing but a slow motion shutdown of the government.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 11:07 AM

But cute job of mixing

#20 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 10:21 AM | REPLY

Nothing is mixed. On a congressional vote, Republicans went from -15 to -5. They're riding tax reform, there's nothing else at all to attribute it to.

www.cnn.com

"As the midterm election year begins, a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS finds the Democratic advantage on a generic congressional ballot has tightened to a narrow 5 points among registered voters, but those voters who say they are most enthusiastic about turning out to vote this fall favor Democrats by a wide 15-point margin. The new poll's 49% Democrat to 44% Republican margin among registered voters is almost identical to Democrats' standing in January of 2006, the last midterm election year in which they made significant gains in the House of Representatives."

Good luck to Democrats running on a massive tax increase, that usually plays out very poorly.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:08 AM

Where Democrats are crushing Republicans is enthusiasm. They may actually show up for a mid-term for once.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:10 AM

"Nothing is mixed." - #29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:08 AM

Liar.

You said...

"The same poll that had Dems up with R's -17 now have R's at -5.." - #22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:50 AM
-17 to -5 wasn't the same poll

You're a liar.

And, just as obvious, you can't read.

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:13 AM

"it represents a large shift from CNN polls conducted in the past three months, in which Democrats held double-digit advantages over the Republicans. "

Take it up with CNN & SSRS. Double digits to -5. Base on... all of congresses accomplishments to appeal to independents... which is ... ??? Tax reform is the only thing.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:16 AM

We'll come back to this in April and see where it stands after people get double the standardized deduction, double child tax credits, etc.

What do you want to bet on it?

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:17 AM

"Take it up with CNN & SSRS." - #32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:16 AM

CNN & SSRS didn't say...

"The same poll that had Dems up with R's -17 now have R's at -5.." - #22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 10:50 AM
That was you, liar.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:18 AM

"We'll come back to this in April and see where it stands after people get double the standardized deduction, double child tax credits, etc." - #33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:17 AM

That won't be until April, 2019, when people file their 2018 taxes.

Not this April, when they file their 2017 taxes.

But, I suppose you just can't help yourself.

#35 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:20 AM

"Double digits to -5. Base on..." - #32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:16 AM

"Base"? As in, "All your base are belong to us"?

Meanwhile, idiots cling to a single poll - any poll - that reflects what that want to see reflected.

Pros look at poll aggregators to get a real sense of opinion on a given subject.

Poll aggregators, like RealClearPolitics.

Exactly what I used in by post #20 (above).

The post you obviously didn't/couldn't read.

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:29 AM

There are retroactive provisions for 2017. People will be effected.

SSRS poll from December, for CNN, registered voters on congress: 56% Dem, 38% Republican.
Same exact poll run again in January: 49% Dem, 44% Republican.

I was wrong. It's not -17. It was -18 to -5 in 1 month, on the same question, for the same poll, that's been run monthly since January 2000.

Don't like the results? Take it up with CNN.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:30 AM

In my #36: "...in by..." should be "...in my..."

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:31 AM

"I was wrong" - #37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:30 AM

Yes you were.

"It's not -17. It was -18 to -5 in 1 month"

In one poll.

Idiots cling to a single poll - any poll - that reflects just what they want to see reflected.

Pros look at poll aggregators to get a real sense of opinion on a given subject.

Poll aggregators, like RealClearPolitics.

Exactly what I used in my post #20 (above).

#39 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:38 AM

There are retroactive provisions for 2017. People will be effected.
SSRS poll from December, for CNN, registered voters on congress: 56% Dem, 38% Republican.
Same exact poll run again in January: 49% Dem, 44% Republican.
I was wrong. It's not -17. It was -18 to -5 in 1 month, on the same question, for the same poll, that's been run monthly since January 2000.
Don't like the results? Take it up with CNN.

#37 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Are you sure? Are you really really sure?

www.cnn.com

Seems like that poll is a bit all over the place...

Maybe you should try this and not look so uninformed: www.realclearpolitics.com

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 11:39 AM

"Maybe you should try this and not look so uninformed..." - #40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 11:39 AM

I suspect he relishes looking so uninformed.

At least that's the pattern he's exhibiting in this thread.

#41 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:42 AM

"There are retroactive provisions for 2017." - - #37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:30 AM

Like what?

"People will be effected."

They might even be affected.

But not until April, 2019.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:44 AM

Pros look at poll aggregators to get a real sense of opinion on a given subject.

#36 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 11:29 AM | FLAG:

Okay, lets go look at aggregators. I enjoy data science. They have, from early December to now... CNN +18 to +5. Quinnipac +15 to +11. Reuters +12 to +5. YouGov +9 to +6. NBC +11 to +6. ABC +11 to +12. Reuters +6 to +5.

The vast majority of polls show what I would consider significant Republican gains (considering how unpopular they really are) in just under 2 months, which coincides directly with their passage of tax reform.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:47 AM

"We'll come back to this in April and see where it stands after people get double the standardized deduction, double child tax credits..."

People won't "get double the standard deduction" until a year from April. And it's NOT doubling the standard deduction, it's combining the SD with the now-defunct personal exemption and adding a few bucks. Similarly, the "doubling" of the Child Tax Credit is to make up for losing the exemption of $4050, which is worth ~$1000 to someone in the 25% marginal bracket.

"What do you want to bet on it?"

On the actual equation, or on how many people will be fooled?

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 11:48 AM

#44 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-01-22 11:48 AM | FLAG:

Lets bet on an easy metric. Republican vs Democrat performance when Dems have to campaign on a tax increase. Enthusiasm definitely isn't in Republican favor, but people vote with their wallets.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:52 AM

Anybody who calls the tax cuts "tax reform" is either a shill or too stupid to be taken seriously.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-22 11:57 AM

"Okay, lets go look at aggregators." - #43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:47 AM

I did just that.

In my post #20 (above.

And, as I said in that post,

"...from early December to now...The vast majority of polls show what I would consider significant Republican gains (considering how unpopular they really are) in just under 2 months"

Exactly 4 months ago it was Democrats +8.2%

Exactly 3 months ago it was Democrats +9.6%

Exactly 2 months ago it was Democrats +9.6%

Exactly 1 month ago it was Democrats +13%

Today it is +7.8% for the Democrats, basically what it was 4 months ago.

So much for "significant Republican gains".

I enjoy data science.

#47 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:02 PM

CNN, Fortune, Intuit, Forbes, CNBC, Vox, NY Times, Washington Post, Business Insider, Snopes, Morgan Stanley, BBC, Politico, USA Today, Newsweek...

Definitely do not take any of them seriously. #FakeNews.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:04 PM

CNN, Fortune, Intuit, Forbes, CNBC, Vox, NY Times, Washington Post, Business Insider, Snopes, Morgan Stanley, BBC, Politico, USA Today, Newsweek...
Definitely do not take any of them seriously. #FakeNews.

#48 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

So you live in an alternative reality? No one is surprised. Why do you even post here? You have nothing to contribute.

#49 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 12:05 PM

#47 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 12:02 PM | FLAG:

+13 to +7.8 aggregate immediately after passing tax reform is a significant Republican gain, and Democrats haven't even had to campaign on a return to the previous tax structure yet. What do you think they're going to do? Eat the tax cuts and pretend it didn't happen?

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:06 PM

"...when Dems have to campaign on a tax increase." - #45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 11:52 AM

Most Americans want to raise taxes on the rich: poll

As President Donald Trump promotes a tax plan that critics say would raise the federal deficit by slashing corporate rates and eliminating some taxes paid by the rich, some three-quarters of Americans believe the wealthiest should pay more, Reuters/Ipsos polling shows.

Seems like a very popular idea: a tax increase on the wealthy.

#51 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:06 PM

#49 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-01-22 12:05 PM | FLAG:

Sarcasm is too much for you.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:07 PM

So you live in an alternative reality? No one is surprised. Why do you even post here? You have nothing to contribute.

#49 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I think he contributes a lot. Especially on threads where the subject is beer (home brewing), gardening, cooking, BBQing, etc. His contributions on other subjects (political and especially military) are generally good IMO.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 12:07 PM

Seems like a very popular idea: a tax increase on the wealthy.
#51 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 12:06 PM | FLAG:

Ditch the class based polling and ask a relevant question instead: Do you want to raise taxes on yourself? Let me know how that works out.

#54 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:08 PM

His contributions on other subjects (political and especially military) are generally good IMO.

#53 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-22 12:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Which is extra funny because I wouldn't vote for your party if my dick were on fire and that was the only way to put it out.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:09 PM

"CNN...Definitely do not take any of them seriously. #FakeNews." - #48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:04 PM

Then why did you specifically cite CNN no less than three times in this thread?

If you don't take them seriously, that is.

#56 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:09 PM

"Ditch the class based polling..." - #54 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:08 PM

No reason to do that.

"Do you want to raise taxes on yourself?"

I am not what is considered "wealthy."

So no concern there at all.

#57 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:12 PM

Sitz is leftier than thou... so far left he's right.

Fast on his way to becoming Nulli.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-22 12:13 PM

Then why did you specifically cite CNN no less than three times in this thread?

#56 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 12:09 PM | FLAG:

That's sarcasm, making fun of people critical of the term "tax reform" despite the fact that every news outlet is using it.

That's sad that I even have to explain that.

#59 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:13 PM

#53 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-22 12:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

"Which is extra funny because I wouldn't vote for your party if my dick were on fire and that was the only way to put it out." - #55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:09 PM

Which is extra funny because JeffJ was defending you over a comment made in #49 by SYCOPHANT.

#60 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:13 PM

#60 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-22 12:13 PM | FLAG:

Debating whether or not to get banned again with a properly comedic No F's Given link...

#61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:19 PM

"...with a properly comedic No F's Given link..." - #61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:19 PM

True comedic genius comes from others recognizing such genius and publicly stating so.

That's sad that I even have to explain that.

#62 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 12:22 PM

"Lets bet on an easy metric. Republican vs Democrat performance when Dems have to campaign on a tax increase."

Let's take a tougher metric, like if the sun will rise tomorrow.

Who campaigns on a tax increase? I'd campaign on saying YOUR taxes will actually go down, significantly, under MY tax bill. And not a few bucks for a few years so we can afford to give 80% to the wealthiest 1%.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 12:23 PM

Which is extra funny because JeffJ was defending you over a comment made in #49 by SYCOPHANT.

#60 | POSTED BY HANS

I didn't construe his comment as a slap at me. I took it as pointing out that I felt his contributions to political discussions are generally good even though I'm well aware that as a Libertarian he despises the GOP (I'm a registered Republican). I could be wrong though. Sitz can easily clear it up with a bit of clarification, if he wants.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 12:41 PM

Who campaigns on a tax increase?

#63 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-01-22 12:23 PM | FLAG:

Bernie Sanders.

I expect moderate Democrats to campaign on a "Return to Obama-era tax policy", which is a great slogan, but will drive up my taxes considerably vs what just passed, and I'm not wealthy.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 02:22 PM

I expect moderate Democrats to campaign on a "Return to Obama-era tax policy", which is a great slogan, but will drive up my taxes considerably vs what just passed, and I'm not wealthy.

#65 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-01-22 02:22 PM | REPLY |

I would hope they would run on returning to Pre-Ronald Reagan tax policy which would be a considerable step in te right direction

#66 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-22 04:51 PM

Who campaigns on a tax increase?

"Bernie Sanders."

Which is why he would've lost, bigly.

Regardless, this new tax bill is the biggest heist I've ever seen. Dubya's two tax bills were the most tilted toward the wealthiest, and those only gave 27% to the top 1%. This one gives 82% to the 1%, and it's only that low because we're pretending it won't really cost $2 Trillion.

The average family of four, will get about $30 a week.
(Math: Cuts of $1610 / 52)
www.npr.org

By borrowing $24,000.
(Math: 330M people / $2T = $6000 for every man, woman, and child)

More of this 100% borrowed money will go to foreign investors than to middle-class American workers.

Tell me...why do you like this new tax bill?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-22 10:55 PM

Tell me...why do you like this new tax bill?
#67 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Seconded.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 10:56 PM

Clare McCaskell forced Mitch McConnell to shut the Government down, when, after a compromised had not been reached, she demanded the bill be reintroduced, stunning McConnell who had to object in order to get the matter shelved, shutting down the Government and with it troop paychecks. Meanwhile, the White House is loudly pretending to blame the Democrats. LIARS.

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