Saturday, January 20, 2018

Boston Globe: Warren's Native American problem grows

There's a ghost haunting Elizabeth Warren as she ramps up for a possible 2020 presidential bid and a reelection campaign in Massachusetts this year: her enduring and undocumented claims of Native American ancestry.

Warren says now, as she has from the first days of her public life, that she based her assertions on family lore, on her reasonable trust in what she was told about her ancestry as a child. "I know who I am," she said in a recent interview with the Globe.

But that self-awareness may not be enough, as her political ambitions blossom. There's growing discomfort on the left and among some tribal leaders and activists that Warren has a political blind spot when it comes to the murkiness surrounding her story of her heritage, which blew up as an issue in her victorious 2012 Massachusetts Senate race.

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In recent months, Daily Show host Trevor Noah mocked her for claiming Native American ancestry and the liberal website ThinkProgress published a scathing criticism of her by a Cherokee activist who said she should apologize.

It's a worrying disconnect that has lingered unresolved in the public sphere for more than five years.

Warren says she grew up understanding that forebears in her mother's family had Cherokee and Delaware blood. But examinations by genealogists of documents including birth, marriage, and death records have shown no conclusive proof of Native American ancestry.

Some tribe members want her to apologize to Native Americans for claiming heritage without solid evidence. Tribes across America have spent centuries denouncing whites who claim Indian DNA without a clear basis, claims they find deeply offensive.

"She's not part of the Cherokee community," said Chad Smith, who was the principal chief of the Oklahoma-based Cherokee Nation from 1999 to 2011.

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From the Thinkprogress article:

For 72 hours this week, news headlines focused on President Donald Trump's offensive usage of the name "Pocahontas" when he referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) at an event to honor Navajo Code Talkers on Monday.

As a young Cherokee woman, one would assume that I would take Warren's side in standing up against Trump's racist remark.

A real Native American hero, right?

Wrong.

She was not a hero to me when she failed to foster a haven of support for Native students within Harvard University's alienating Ivy League culture. She is not a hero for spending years awkwardly avoiding Native leaders. She is not a hero because, despite claiming to be the only Native woman in the U.S. Senate, she has done nothing to advance our rights.

She is not from us. She does not represent us. She is not Cherokee.

In defending her supposed Native identity, Warren has drawn from both racist stereotypes and easily refutable stories about her family. At a 2012 press conference Warren stated that her family knew her grandfather was "part" Cherokee because "he had high cheekbones like all of the Indians." Cherokee genealogists have pored through her family history to find that "None of her direct line ancestors are ever shown to be anything other than white, dating back to long before the Trail of Tears."

To add insult to injury, despite Warren's public claims of Native American heritage, she has decidedly avoided talking with Native leaders and, in 2012, refused to meet with a group of Cherokee women at the Democratic National Convention.

Enough said.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 02:29 PM

Thinkprogress: I am a Cherokee woman. Elizabeth Warren is not.

Pretty sure the DR Left is going to have a hard time attacking this source...

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 02:31 PM

Yawn.

#3 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-20 02:40 PM

Yawn.

#3 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2018-01-20 02:40 PM

Pretty sure this reaction will change in 2019 when this becomes a big issue in her run for the Dem nomination.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 03:36 PM

LOL yawn is right.

The GOP supports and nominates sexual predators, racists and criminals (and that's just DOTUS!) but we're supposed to care about whether Elizabeth Warren is really Native American or not.

Christ you people are pathetic.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 04:29 PM

What a garbage thread.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 04:44 PM

There's no scandal here, but that won't stop goobers from pretending it is a major scandal if Warren runs in 2020.

Millions of Americans have been told they have some Native American ancestry by their parents or grandparents. I'm one of these people -- my late grandmother told me this many times with pride.

Did we demand proof from my grandmother? No. Did she attempt to register with that tribe? No. She didn't have anywhere close to enough Native American ancestors to qualify.

Warren did exactly what my grandmother did. She told people about a family belief in a minor part of her heritage because she was proud of it.

If you think that is an actual scandal, you must be fun at family gatherings when an older relative says he's "part-Irish" or "part-Cherokee" or "part-whatever." You no doubt hound that person in demand of documentation like the crazed Sandy Hook truthers who won't leave grieving parents alone.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-20 04:48 PM

Did we demand proof from my grandmother? No. Did she attempt to register with that tribe? No. She didn't have anywhere close to enough Native American ancestors to qualify.

Did you put it on your Harvard resume? No. Did you get elected US Senator? No. Is your name getting tossed about as a future POTUS? No.

If this was a GOP Senator you all would be having an aneurysm.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 06:10 PM

That belief is a racist myth, one increasingly well known. Not benefiting from it doesn't change that.

It's not going to go away. Like I said before, Trevor Noah speaking on it was a bellwether moment. ThinkProgress and now the Boston Globe too. Just the tip of the arrow so far, wait for a good challenger to come at her.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-20 06:12 PM

#9

If this is so meaningless, why go with a baseless/hysterical "Sandy Hook" analogy?

Get a grip, I know that she is a Proggie Icon, but holding her to a lower standard than would you expect from a GOP Senator is beneath you.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 06:19 PM

#5

It's only garbage because you don't want to hear it.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 06:21 PM

The Russian mob money laundering Dotard ----- porn stars while his third wife is pregnant and brags about sexual assault, but never mind that, some dem doesn't have proof that her ancestors included Cherokee. Unforgivable.

#14 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-20 06:28 PM

--we're supposed to care about whether Elizabeth Warren is really Native American or not.

I don't care but apparently the Cherokee Nation does. And her democrat primary opponents.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-20 06:46 PM

"That belief is a racist myth, one increasingly well known. Not benefiting from it doesn't change that."

Let's say it is a racist myth, for sake of argument.

Does it mean that everyone who has claimed Native ancestry and doesn't have corroborating DNA evidence is a racist, then?

If it doesn't mean that, then what are we supposed to learn from the fact that there's a racist myth in play here? Is it that racism is a part of American mythology?

Explain to me the relevance. What's the end game here, for this racist myth and the person who heard from her ancestors?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 07:12 PM

"Did you put it on your Harvard resume?"

Did Elizabeth Warren? LOL

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 07:13 PM

For the near term (2020) Warren may be a good enough politician to become a Senator for her lily white state, but she wouldn't be a good enough candidate to elect on a national scale and win the electoral college. She's a VP candidate in the most optimistic case.

#18 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-20 07:26 PM

What was Warren's crime again?

Was it that she believed her Grandma?

If that's the case the GOP has more problems with women than Norman Bates.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 07:28 PM

but she wouldn't be a good enough candidate to elect on a national scale and win the electoral college.

If donald managed to pull it off so could Harvey Weinstein.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-20 07:29 PM

So could Harvey Weinstein. #20 | POSTED BY REDIAL

In that case, best of luck to Harvey Weinstein (D).

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-20 07:32 PM

What was Warren's crime again?

Stolen valor heritage. Unless Liz Warren is ultimately attempting to further the "transRacial" agenda first made popular by Rachel Dolezal...

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-20 07:36 PM

Let's say it is a racist myth, for sake of argument.

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-01-20 07:12 PM | REPLY

There's no debate about it. It's a known historical issue. It became fashionable at a time for white people to claim native ancestry due to the popularization and romanticization of the extremely racist noble savage mythology.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-20 07:40 PM

@ GONOLES92

What would you have here do?

Call her grandmother a liar while a child?

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 07:43 PM

gotta love gonoles logic:

pacohontas = not racist
believing grandma = racist

thanks, count hackula.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-01-20 07:48 PM

thanks, count hackula

hahaha, nice ~

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-20 08:29 PM

What would you have her do?
Warren is no longer a child; as an adult, she is free to say that she made a mistake in the past. Here is some advice by a tribes member from the group Warren repeatedly attempts to appropriate culture from:

Sen. Warren needs to accept responsibility for misappropriating Native identity for her own economic and political gain. To help her, I have drafted an apology, which she has my full permission to appropriate. Every last word:
thinkprogress.org

#27 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-20 08:36 PM

Believing what your family tells you isn't a mistake it's normal.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 08:52 PM

The rwing is getting desperate. This Cherokee meme about Warner is probably the dimmest, dullest, most dishonest, and least important meme ever meant to disparage an opposing politician.

But, hey, considering their supporters, dim and dull is their target market. Just look at RoC and Gonol... they are Snippy and FishP with a high school diploma.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-20 08:54 PM

Just look at RoC and Gonol... they are Snippy and FishP with a high school diploma.

LOL

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 09:27 PM

Americans like to think they've got Native American lineage. I've seen foreigners comment on this often.

Donald Trump is a racist criminal. Let's deal with him before we bitch about a common facet of American culture.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-20 09:44 PM

And for those who are clueless no one but the Cherokee Nation speaks for the Cherokee Nation so you can cram your attempts to claim anyone else speaks for them.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 10:00 PM

"What was Warren's crime again?

Stolen heritage."

You can't prove that.

You can't even make much of a case for it.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:22 PM

"she is free to say that she made a mistake in the past."

What mistake did she make?
What would change, for you or her, if she said she made a mistake?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:23 PM

"There's no debate about it. It's a known historical issue. It became fashionable at a time for white people to claim native ancestry due to the popularization and romanticization of the extremely racist noble savage mythology.
#23 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG"

I wasn't doubting it. I was asking, what's the consequence?
Well, what?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:24 PM

"Americans like to think they've got Native American lineage."

Goatman sure liked to claim it.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:25 PM

Did she take the spot in college some other person could have had if she didn't register as native? It is one thing to say it, it is a whole other matter using it for advantage.

#37 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:26 PM

Imagine the continued fall out if this was Trump making such a claim about himself, it would be a never ending story for months on end.

#38 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:28 PM

"Did she take the spot in college some other person could have had if she didn't register as native?"

No, she didn't do that.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:30 PM

"Imagine the continued fall out if this was Trump making such a claim about himself, it would be a never ending story for months on end."

It would be one of many such never ending stories, from PeeGate to being 6'3" and 239 lbs.
Trump, of course, has a documented pattern of lying.
Warren, not so much.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:34 PM

The Republicans are -------' bricks on the thought of straight-arrow Warren making a whip and chasing out the moneychangers.

I hope she runs and kicks some heap-big ASS.

#41 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-20 10:38 PM

There's growing discomfort on the left

Don't know how people here are drawing this as republican, maybe reading the article might help.

#42 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:47 PM

And for those who are clueless no one but the Cherokee Nation speaks for the Cherokee Nation so you can cram your attempts to claim anyone else speaks for them.

""She's not part of the Cherokee community," said Chad Smith, who was the principal chief of the Oklahoma-based Cherokee Nation from 1999 to 2011."

The Cherokee Nation has spoken.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 11:29 PM

Love Grows Where My Tomahawk Goes

#44 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-20 11:31 PM

Abraham Lincoln's nickname was "Town Car". Perhaps Warren's can be "Jeep".

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 11:32 PM

"My father married a pure Cherokee
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"

Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born"

-Not Liz Warren

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 11:36 PM

maybe reading the article might help.

#42 | POSTED BY CRASSUS AT 2018-01-20 10:47 PM

Are you new here...? :)

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 11:37 PM

#46 ROC
Actually, it was written by Liz Warren's grandmother.

#48 | Posted by squinch at 2018-01-21 12:27 AM

#37

Did Warren take someone else's place in college? Did someone take Trump's place in Vietnam? Which seems more likely?

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-21 07:32 AM

I wasn't doubting it.

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-01-20 10:24 PM | REPLY

When you put "for the sake of the argument" you clearly have doubts.

The cognitive dissonance is so painful with you. If you want answers to the "end game", which you really don't you're just being a douche, go read any the ThinkProgress article.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-21 08:45 AM

or just read the original article linked here, it goes over the entire issue in a very fair way.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-21 08:48 AM

What a pathetically insignificant load of horse manure.

No surprise that idiots like ROC think there's something to it.

#52 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-21 09:40 AM

Did you put it on your Harvard resume? No.

She didn't put it on her resume. She mentioned it in a staff directory after she was hired. Perhaps you wouldn't be so hysterical about this if you acquainted yourself with the basic facts.

If this was a GOP Senator you all would be having an aneurysm.

Nonsense. This would be a phony scandal regardless of who it was about. Telling people you have some Native American ancestry without seeking any advantage from it is as American as apple pie.

#53 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 09:56 AM

Here is some advice by a tribes member from the group Warren repeatedly attempts to appropriate culture from ...

Since you're so sensitive about "misappropriating Native identity," GoNoles, you undoubtedly support Florida State dropping the use of Seminoles as a mascot and deplore your school's long use of racist caricatures such as Sammy Seminole and the minstrel version of Chief Osceola who rides out onto the field.

#54 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 10:05 AM

Since you're so sensitive about "misappropriating Native identity," GoNoles, you undoubtedly support Florida State dropping the use of Seminoles as a mascot and deplore your school's long use of racist caricatures such as Sammy Seminole and the minstrel version of Chief Osceola who rides out onto the field.

Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 10:05 AM | Reply

Boohyahhhhhhhh He's got you in triplicate spades Noles.

#55 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-21 10:08 AM

The Cherokee Nation has spoken.

The Cherokee Nation doesn't get to decide who is allowed to call themselves part-Cherokee. It only gets to decide who it accepts as a tribal member.

Some Native American tribes only accept as members people with a parent in that tribe. Does that mean people with only a grandparent from the tribe don't have that heritage and should never tell others of that ancestor? Of course not.

We are allowed to be proud of our heritage, even if it's just a great-grandparent or less. I never had to get anyone's approval to call myself part-Irish, nor would I if I followed my grandmother's lead and called myself part-Native American.

You are inventing a scandal out of nothing because you know Warren would be a strong candidate against Trump. This is the kind of stuff that makes politics so cynical that an absolute imbecile could be elected president.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 10:10 AM

Oh and you know where yo can stick that schools fight chant. Squarely up a dark musty smelly hole. I swear every time that I watch one of their football games. I have that stupid chant rolling around my head half of the night. When I FINALLY think it's passed it rattles back up again

I ABHOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-21 10:29 AM

Since you're so sensitive about "misappropriating Native identity," -rcade

You know as I know, that the Seminole Tribe of Florida has blessed the university with their approval in how we represent their likeness. It is a non-issue.

#58 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-21 11:07 AM

#58 | Posted by GOnoles92

Your hypocrisy is both funny and revolting.

#59 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-21 11:11 AM

If that's your family narrative then what else can you believe?

She is just like the rest of us who believe the family tales.

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-21 11:15 AM

It is a non-issue.

You are trying to create an issue for Elizabeth Warren out of the opinion of "a Citizen of Cherokee Nation and a two spirit (-----) woman."

Surely you recognize that the same could just as easily be done to the FSU Seminoles. The Seminoles who support the mascot make bank on casinos and other businesses in Florida. They have a strong commercial interest in keeping their friends in Tallahassee, particularly the many FSU alumni in the state legislature.

When the Seminole Tribe of Florida gave its OK, there was widespread vocal protest by other Seminoles. There are still Native Americans who regard the mascot, Chief Osceola, the tomahawk and the rest deeply offensive.

"Florida State's Chief Osceola disgusts member of Seminole tribe of Oklahoma"

newsok.com

Your position on the Noles shows your opinion on Warren is disingenuous. The words "misappropriating Native identity" should never come out of your mouth while you continue to support FSU keeping its mascot.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 11:23 AM

61

Or at the very least start supporting the entirety of positions held by the Cherokee nation

At least be a real advocate for the Cherokee nation's desires wants and positions if you want your opinion about Elizabeth Warren to have any weight.

This issue regarding Warren is wrong to debate because it distracts from the real debate about her qualifications to be president.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 11:48 AM

Trumped-up issues like this one distract bigly from our politics. The right is laying the groundwork to make a huge deal about this even though everyone -- right, left and otherwise -- knows that it is completely insignificant.

Even better, it has been tried already and didn't work. Scott Brown wouldn't shut up about it when he ran against Warren and got beat.

#63 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 12:43 PM

"Even better, it has been tried already and didn't work. Scott Brown wouldn't shut up about it when he ran against Warren and got beat."

Hold on.....you're pretending the American voter can't be distracted by stupid issues, and I'm not talking about voters in Maryland. I'm talking about voters in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, etc.....

what else does the GOP have on Warren to drive a wedge between undecideds and her?

And this assumes her primary opponent won't hit her with it.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 12:51 PM

Hold on.....you're pretending the American voter can't be distracted by stupid issues ...

No. It should be obvious from what you quoted I was talking about a specific situation.

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 01:48 PM

So, are you saying that Scott brown's strategy won't work in a national election and specifically in swing states?

I'm suggesting that strategy might work outside of Maryland.

Or, was that not obvious?

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 02:55 PM

"When you put "for the sake of the argument" you clearly have doubts."

I'm also putting those doubts aside to see where the line of reasoning takes us.
So far, it's taken us nowhere.
So I'll ask a third time: What does it mean that Elizabeth Warren's family perpetuated what's either a racist myth, or the truth? What changes?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 03:22 PM

"You know as I know, that the Seminole Tribe of Florida has blessed the university with their approval in how we represent their likeness. It is a non-issue."

So if some ------ said some school could use his likeness and name for their mascot, them doing so would be okay.
After all, it's an American tradition!

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 03:25 PM

What this whole discussion ignores is that native status is hard to prove anyway, let alone qualification for tribal membership, and that this is essentially by design. All the better for the whites who made the rules if said rules involve asking for paperwork no one has or imposing a blood quanta system (a racist system inherited from the British) that basically cause all natives to define themselves slowly out of existence. Fewer natives means fewer people qualified for the paltry benefits to which they are entitled...

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-01-21 04:35 PM

en.m.wikipedia.org

#70 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-01-21 04:36 PM

Since you brought it up. My opinion on the Seminoles goes for any team, which is that they shouldn't use other human beings as mascots:

I don't think it's appropriate. Regardless of what some voice that claims to speak for the group represented by the mascot says, I don't think it's appropriate.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 07:01 PM

So this is about me^H^H RCade?
Even better. Make this about RCade being racist. Good times.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 07:03 PM

#74 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Some people are allowed to post whatever they want to, others get banned for typing someone's actual name.

The DR is a funny kinda place.

Pro tip:

The "lawyers" who post here are ******* -------. All of them.

Don't hire them under any circumstance.

#79 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-22 01:03 AM

My wife gets Christmas cards from Bigfoot, an alien from area 51, and the New Jersey Devil.

#45 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Fixed.

#80 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-22 01:09 AM

gotta love gonoles logic:
pacohontas = not racist
believing grandma = racist
thanks, count hackula.

#25 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

He's also got a sure fire way, 2 step process for tellin if someone is a mysoginist:

1. If the person says or types the words "I", "hate", "all", and "women" in that exact order

And

2. Literally nothing else.

#81 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-22 01:43 AM

So I take it (according to the GOP) that unless a candidate is lily white and fresh off the Mayflower they're not qualified to be President and will be gutted from stem to stern just for thinking about it.

Is this going to be done by one of those Trump/Putin Executive Order policy tweets before 2020 rolls around?

I feel sorry for Elizabeth Warren. She doesn't deserve any of this pile of excrement that the GOP is trying to bury her in. To me it just shows how easily they are spooked by a woman with authority.

#82 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-22 03:38 AM

Just the tip of the arrow so far, - #11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-20 06:12 PM
Don't appropriate their culture.

The Russian mob...Dotard...porn stars... #14 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-20 06:28 PM
Whataboutism isnt an argument you pathetic ape. - #18 | Posted by JOE at 2017-12-06 09:16 AM

Donald Trump is a racist criminal. - #31 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-20 09:44 PM
Lots of deflection and whataboutism in this thread.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-22 11:02 AM

#83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-22 11:02 AM | Reply


Donald Trump is a racist criminal. The observation stands on its own merits.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-22 11:28 AM

Then discuss it in a thread about that subject. There's probably a dozen of opinion pieces where that would fit in on the front page. Deflection is just weak crap.

#85 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-22 12:03 PM

I feel sorry for Elizabeth Warren. She doesn't deserve any of this pile of excrement that the GOP is trying to bury her in. To me it just shows how easily they are spooked by a woman with authority.

#82 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2018-01-22 03:38 AM | FLAG:

Trevor Noah, Boston Globe. Both well known parts of the GOP establishment. I know for a fact Noah voted for Trump, I was in the booth with him. He HAATES white people.

#86 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 12:18 PM

Deflection is just weak crap.

#85 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-22 12:03 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Americans like to think they've got Native American lineage. I've seen foreigners comment on this often....a common facet of American culture.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-20 09:44 PM |

Agree with that part?

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-22 12:50 PM

I've got no problem at all with that. Discussion relevant to the subject at hand are great.
We have here another example of Dems over-exuberance at seeking purity are doing harm to themselves by damaging those who, though flawed, still present the best opportunity for the party.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-22 01:46 PM

"My father married a pure Cherokee
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"

Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born"

#46 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

If Warren were to run for POTUS with the Dem nomination, I'll happily vote for her.

And if Warren had any guts, she'd use 'Half-breed' as her official campaign song.

#89 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 02:08 PM

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