Saturday, January 20, 2018

Shutdown

The federal government shut down at midnight Friday as senators continued to scramble to reach a deal to fund the government. This is the first modern government shutdown with Congress and the White House controlled by the same party, and it comes on the one-year anniversary of President Donald Trump's inauguration. Trump's White House however immediately blamed Democrats for the shutdown. ... "It's almost as if you were rooting for a shutdown," [Democratic Sen. Chuck] Schumer said from the Senate floor. "And now we will have one. And the blame should crash entirely on President Trump's shoulders. This will be called the Trump shutdown. This will be called the Trump shutdown because there is no one, no one, who deserves the blame for the position we find ourselves in than President Trump."

Comments

This is the behavior of obstructionist losers, not legislators.

No, this is the expected outcome when the party who have been obstructionist losers the past 8 years gain complete control.

The GOP has zero ability or will to govern. Period.

There only purpose is to serve the demands of the 1%, which is as far from governing as one can get and, not surprisingly, it shows.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 12:31 AM

while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands.

Could not be said any better, and the country knows this.

#2 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 12:38 AM

Complete control.........Really!

#3 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 12:39 AM

First time in history the government will shut down under Republican controlled Congress and Republican sitting POTUS.

Aaaaaaaaand you think Dems will take the blame? Polls already show you're wrong, but the above SHOULD speaks volumes to anyone with a respectable level of acuity.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-20 12:42 AM

Aaaaaaaaand you think Dems will take the blame? Polls already show you're wrong

Yeah sure you betcha!

#5 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 12:45 AM

Could not be said any better, and the country knows this.

#2 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

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If the GOP didn't make a mockery of our system of government while proclaiming far too loudly to love it one might believe they tried to avoid this.

They're banking on idiots like you believing their narrative.

So far you're being their easy mark.

Congrats. Idiot.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 12:46 AM

Yeah sure you betcha!

#5 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

Honestly, you have enough of a retarded history on the DR that I've considered using you as a sort of anti-crystal ball.

I'd pose a question to you and then act exactly 180 degrees from what you answered.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 12:47 AM

Yeah sure you betcha!
#5 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

So you're saying you lack acuity. Thanks for clarifying.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-20 12:48 AM

Honestly, you have enough of a retarded history on the DR that I've considered using you as a sort of anti-crystal ball.
I'd pose a question to you and then act exactly 180 degrees from what you answered.

#7 | POSTED BY JPW

You would have really enjoyed reading his posts during the Bush years. It would have been music to your ears...um...eyes. One of the most remarkably consistent persons on this site.

The last shutdown was on the GOP. Obama called for a "clean budget extension". If the GOP had any sense of how to push a message, they would demand the same thing.

This is a mirror-image of the Cruz-lead shutdown.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 12:53 AM

You would have really enjoyed reading his posts during the Bush years. It would have been music to your ears...um...eyes. One of the most remarkably consistent persons on this site.

Crassus? Really? LOL

Look at my join date.

I disagree.

This is a mirror-image of the Cruz-lead shutdown.

Yes, it is.

Which is why I'm expecting the GOP to take shellacking for it.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 01:01 AM

Look at my join date.

2006. I didn't realize you had been around that long.

This is a mirror-image of the Cruz-lead shutdown.?

Yes, it is.

Which is why I'm expecting the GOP to take shellacking for it.


Let me clarify: This is a mirror-image of the Cruz-lead shutdown with a complete role-reversal. Now, it's the Democrats forcing a shutdown if they don't get their way. Fortunately for them, the GOP is too incompetent to borrow the exact same verbiage Dems used so effectively with the last shutdown when the shoe was on the other foot.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 01:07 AM

More posts, same topic....

www.drudge.com

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-20 01:10 AM

Crassus? Really? LOL

Look at my join date.

I disagree.

LOL...I was here a few years before you so you have seen my posts back then are just being dishonest right now.

I have always been very consistent but it is not bound to one party. If you think the majority of the people will think this is a republican thing you are mistaken. All that needs to be done is read through the political party partisan BS and most who are independent see this.

#13 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 01:11 AM

#12

Yeah, Cork.

The threads should be merged.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 01:11 AM

Now, it's the Democrats forcing a shutdown if they don't get their way.

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The GOP controlled Congress then, hence no "forcing", as they control it now.

Plus, you're being partisan stooge by supporting this zero sum game.

THAT is the reason both of these occurred and, because of limp dick folks like you, it will continue to happen in the future.

Fortunately for them, the GOP is too incompetent to borrow the exact same verbiage Dems used so effectively with the last shutdown when the shoe was on the other foot.

And you prove my point B-E-A-UUUUUUUTIFULY.

It's just a game for you. Or your masters. Whatever.

I'm done considering you as an intelligent, sentient human being acting of their own accord.

You claim impartiality yet are remarkable biased.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 01:20 AM

Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

14th Amendment.

Stop this debt ceiling nonsense once and for all.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 01:21 AM

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The GOP controlled Congress then, hence no "forcing", as they control it now.

The last shutdown was in '13. The GOP had the House and Dems had the Senate. More importantly, the Dems had the WH and any deal they came to had to be signed by POTUS. Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick. If you are going to be a colossal dick, at least have your Civics101 straight.

Plus, you're being partisan stooge by supporting this zero sum game.
THAT is the reason both of these occurred and, because of limp dick folks like you, it will continue to happen in the future.

Seriously, how drunk are you?

"Fortunately for them, the GOP is too incompetent to borrow the exact same verbiage Dems used so effectively with the last shutdown when the shoe was on the other foot."

And you prove my point B-E-A-UUUUUUUTIFULY.
It's just a game for you. Or your masters. Whatever.

I'm acknowledging political reality. If that is too difficult for you to comprehend perhaps you should slap your binky in your mouth and hop into your crib.

I'm done considering you as an intelligent, sentient human being acting of their own accord.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW

I'm crushed. What's next? Are you going to accuse me of having the cooties?

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 01:34 AM

If you don't believe in my way and party leaning then you are just not intelligent......talk about taking ones ball and going home.

#18 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 01:35 AM

Stop this debt ceiling nonsense once and for all.

#16 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

While I disagree that the 14th has anything to do with the debt ceiling, I agree wholeheartedly that it is a joke. It serves no purpose and, at the end of the day, it ALWAYS gets extended anyway, so why pretend that it forces any kind of meaningful constraint?

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 01:36 AM

If you don't believe in my way and party leaning then you are just not intelligent......talk about taking ones ball and going home.

#18 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

No kidding.

The incredible thing is I wasn't even choosing sides - I was just calling it as I see it and acknowledging political reality in the process.

The one thing I've seen out of JPW over the course of the past year - if you aren't 100% opposed to anything even remotely associated with the GOP or Trump or Conservatism or Libertarianism...then he goes into pure attack mode, and worse, he goes into full projection mode.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 01:39 AM

Shut down........immigration........democrats just don't want to do their job, Trump said he would give them till March to come up with immigration law and he said he is not going to legislate from the presidency, that's not how laws are done.

Democrats are trying to force presidential legislation instead of doing it legally.

#21 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 01:59 AM

The GOP had the House and Dems had the Senate. More importantly, the Dems had the WH and any deal they came to had to be signed by POTUS. Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick. If you are going to be a colossal dick, at least have your Civics101 straight.

The 2013 shutdown was over expecting a POTUS to sign off on killing his own signature bill.

Try to learn about how our government runs and how the --------- you support fit into it.

Seriously, how drunk are you?

I've been drinking but you're still transparent as ----.

Even your critiques of the Trump end up being half assed support of him or, at least the GOP, by the end of the post.

I'm acknowledging political reality. If that is too difficult for you to comprehend perhaps you should slap your binky in your mouth and hop into your crib.

No, you're not. You're finding reasons to maintain you're supposedly "neutral". Or that you "don't like" Trump.

Your resorting to Corky-esque faux condescension only shows you're as full as ---- as he is.

I'm crushed. What's next? Are you going to accuse me of having the cooties?

#17 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-20 01:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Sure thing, cork. *thumbs up*

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:08 AM

If you don't believe in my way and party leaning then you are just not intelligent......talk about taking ones ball and going home.

#18 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

Actually, the point is the lack of an ability to compromise.

Which falls on both parties but largely on the GOP. They just can't help but step on their own dicks every chance they get.

And every time they step on their own dicks, they demand that the Dems be blamed for it.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:21 AM

Also I forgot to add that yes, you are just plain stupid.

Period.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you stopped breathing when you were typing because it was taxing your available bandwidth.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:24 AM

The 2013 shutdown was over expecting a POTUS to sign off on killing his own signature bill.

The looming 2018 shutdown is over expecting a POTUS to sign onto violating a vociferous campaign promise. But naturally, in your political outlook, the Dems are ALWAYS right and the GOP is ALWAYS wrong.

Try to learn about how our government runs and how the --------- you support fit into it.

Get your head out of the DNC's ass and you'll see the blatant double standard you are promulgating.

Even your critiques of the Trump end up being half assed support of him or, at least the GOP, by the end of the post.

You are hilarious. Like I said, the ONLY thing you will accept is 100% total opposition to anything and everything related to the GOP - Trump - Conservatism - Libertarianism - etc. And those things I listed are FAR from being wholly aligned.

"I'm acknowledging political reality. If that is too difficult for you to comprehend perhaps you should slap your binky in your mouth and hop into your crib."

No, you're not. You're finding reasons to maintain you're supposedly "neutral". Or that you "don't like" Trump.

Your resorting to Corky-esque faux condescension only shows you're as full as ---- as he is.

I never claimed neutrality, -------. If you weren't so invested in being a ------- dick, we could have a constructive conversation.

Having said that, I'm happy to trade insults if that is your sole interest.

It really seems like (I've narrowed it down to 2) someone on this site has hacked your account and is erecting straw men on your behalf.

You have so grossly mischaracterized my posts that clarification seems pointless. No matter what I say, you seem to have your narrative and nothing will change that.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:24 AM

The one thing I've seen out of JPW over the course of the past year - if you aren't 100% opposed to anything even remotely associated with the GOP or Trump or Conservatism or Libertarianism...then he goes into pure attack mode, and worse, he goes into full projection mode.

#20 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Projection of what? Or did you learn some cute new thing to bandy about on the intertubes?

And no, I don't have a problem with Conservative or GOP views en mass. (Libertarian is a different beast simply because Libertarians seem to be inherently retarded)

I have a problem with the crowd who identifies as such and their current actions/statements and their support for the POS that sits in the WH at this time as our DOTUS.

At some point, you have to realize that expediency to obtain your policy goals isn't worth the baggage accumulated to get there. If you're OK with it at this point then the reasonable assumption is that you're OK with the baggage.

Which means you've sold your soul and you have zero grounds to demand respect or serious consideration.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:29 AM

You feign trying to be reasonable:Which falls on both parties Then, of course, you can't help yourself: but largely on the GOP
And every time they step on their own dicks, they demand that the Dems be blamed for it.

#23 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-01-20 02:21 AM

That comes across as you expecting the GOP to capitulate to nearly all demands and anything short of that means the GOP is to blame for whatever follows. The key tell is the word "but".

If I am misconstruing your argument please offer some clarification.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:29 AM

#26 | POSTED BY JPW

Here's the deal.

I am mortified by the person who inhabits the WH. It's a big part of why I was #NeverTrump during the primary and voted 3rd party in the general. When it comes to who he is as a person, he's lived up to my worst fears and what he's done to the office he holds is an abomination.

I am going to follow this with a lot more, but it's critically important that this post stands on its own. Trump is a disgusting human being who I felt (and still feel) was thoroughly unfit for the office he occupies.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:36 AM

What follows will be some positive assessments and some mitigating factors, but in no way does it change the assessment I offered in #28...

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:37 AM

The looming 2018 shutdown is over expecting a POTUS to sign onto violating a vociferous campaign promise.

After violating or discarding dozens you're a fool to play this card.

Unless you're a racist with a good facade. In which case, congrats on keeping that curtain so tight for so long.

But naturally, in your political outlook, the Dems are ALWAYS right and the GOP is ALWAYS wrong.

What part of mentioning compromise supports this?

There's a significant number of topics on the table that are playing into this. But no, the absurd wall is a must.

And no, I will not yield on the wall being a horrible waste of money for multiple reasons.

You are hilarious. Like I said, the ONLY thing you will accept is 100% total opposition to anything and everything related to the blah blah blah

Nope. You're just too intellectually dishonest or sold to see it.

You're a ------- stooge. Period. Look at the responses to your posts (objectively) and you'll get dick punched by the realization really quickly.

I never claimed neutrality, -------. If you weren't so invested in being a ------- dick, we could have a constructive conversation.

I'm not interested in being a dick. I just don't shy away from it when necessary.

Having said that, you're not quite the closed book you think you are. And if you receive feedback different than what you expect maybe you should consider that as a significant finding.

Having said that, I'm happy to trade insults if that is your sole interest.

Game on! Dude, it's the DR. ------' bring it! ------! LOL

You have so grossly mischaracterized my posts that clarification seems pointless. No matter what I say, you seem to have your narrative and nothing will change that.

I'm just reading between the lines (who do you think hacked my account? out of curiosity...)

You'll spend a paragraph or two deflecting or defending or nitpicking something with a few words "rebutting" your devotion to the obvious point of your post.

Seriously. Using a hyperbolic example, if I said "Child molesters are scum" but followed it up with as much or more text describing how child molesters really just love children and want to express their love and how the view point is seriously misunderstood blah blah blah...

what would you read between those lines?

No, I'm not comparing the political right to child molesters, I'm just using an extreme example hoping it's clear.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:43 AM

That comes across as you expecting the GOP to capitulate to nearly all demands and anything short of that means the GOP is to blame for whatever follows. The key tell is the word "but".

Of course not. As I mentioned there are multiple policy points around which the shutdown is centered around.

The GOP, being in control (ie the majority), has less to change or compromise on to get the votes to pass their bills.

An inability to do so reflects far more poorly on them than the Dems.

I'll also add that, ironically, what you're saying is exactly what the GOP is asking for. They're saying they'll vote yes for anything so long as it includes funding for the absurd wall and other immigration changes.

#28 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Here's the deal. Who Trump is as a person has largely translated into his policy. I'm sorry, but you can't deny support of him while singing accolades of his policy ideas. His corrosive, self-absorbed, self-enriching ideals are manifested in his policy ideas.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 02:53 AM

During the primary and general my biggest concerns with Trump weren't centered around how horrible he was as a person. We've had other presidents in fairly recent history who were on par with Trump (better in some areas and worse in others) - Clinton, Nixon, LBJ - as it pertains to how horrible of a person they were (are).

I was much more concerned with the actions Trump take. He vocalizes support for authoritarianism and has historically supported progressive causes (single payer, wealth tax, etc).

When it comes to actions and policies, his administration exceeded the expectations I would have had for nearly any GOP POTUS except for someone like Mitch Daniels.

He has, most likely unwittingly, shifted power from the Executive - back to the Legislative branch.

He has, wittingly IMO, greatly rolled back what I perceive to be an out-of-control bureaucratic state.

His key foreign-policy speech outlined a strategy that, to me, seems much more in our interests and much more feasible than that of the past 2 administrations.

I've been very happy with his judicial appointments.

His administration has utilized its powers to maximize energy production and virtually every regulatory/de-regulatory measure has been pro-economic growth.

The new tax law is flawed but I view is far more positively than negatively.

I like that DACA is being dangled as a legislative fruit for a broader immigration/border enforcement deal.

I could go on and on, but let me sum it up like this:

So far, from a policy and political standpoint Trump has exceeded my expectations in a big way. BIG. The problem is, he is such a horrible person, in so many ways and on so many levels, that he undoes his accomplishments. His administration is like bulimia - it tastes great going down but is horrible coming back up.

Trump is the bulimic president.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:57 AM

And no, I will not yield on the wall being a horrible waste of money for multiple reasons.

I agree 100000%

Trump still wants the wall and it should be resisted.

The only impediment I've seen to a temporary funding extension is Dems demanding DACA.

If the Trump Wall thing is a factor in this it's something I haven't seen.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:00 AM

Here's the deal on why I've been such a dick towards you lately.

You claim to think Trump is a POS but easily spend 5X the number of characters you expend criticizing the man nitpicking, deflecting or muddying the waters around him.

Despite what you say, your posts come across more as ball-less support than a genuine critique.

So when you claim some objective position that is clearly not matching your rhetoric you get called on it. And when you double down you get called out even harsher.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 03:04 AM

And no, I don't have a problem with Conservative or GOP views en mass.[sic]

Really? That's not how you've come across however I'll take you at your word.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:05 AM

Oh wow a shut down, does this mean Trump supporters are all going to starve to death?

Did they really think there weren't going to be repercussions for those of them on welfare?

all Americans know is most of his base.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 03:07 AM

Here's the deal on why I've been such a dick towards you lately.
You claim to think Trump is a POS but easily spend 5X the number of characters you expend criticizing the man nitpicking, deflecting or muddying the waters around him.
Despite what you say, your posts come across more as ball-less support than a genuine critique.
So when you claim some objective position that is clearly not matching your rhetoric you get called on it. And when you double down you get called out even harsher.

#34 | POSTED BY JPW

So, if Trump says the sun sets in the West, should I denounce that?

Is he 100% wrong about everything 100% of the time, no matter what he says and no matter how he says it?

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:08 AM

Despite what you say, your posts come across more as ball-less support than a genuine critique.

#34 | POSTED BY JPW

You're full of ----. Read through my recent post history. It will contradict your narrative, but you seem like a scientific guy who supports science so I would hope truth would prevail over narrative.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:11 AM

Trump is the bulimic president.

#32 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I guess we fundamentally disagree.

As for shifting power, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion considering he's largely enacted his "policy" via executive actions.

His 'rolling back the bureaucratic state' has been largely by appointing folks who are 180 degrees from the stated missions of the agencies they're appointed to and, quite frequently, has been enacting policies popular with the donor class but now the voting class.

The judicial nominees I'm aware of are far right -------- who are chosen to push a political viewpoint.

And the deregulation seems to be always in the favor of corporate interests at the expense of the people's interests. And no, they are NOT the same. No where close.

I could go on and on, but let me sum it up like this: I love fascism. State sanctioned corporate power supposedly in the name of "the people".

That is what you're supporting. Nothing more, nothing less.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 03:16 AM

So, if Trump says the sun sets in the West, should I denounce that?
Is he 100% wrong about everything 100% of the time, no matter what he says and no matter how he says it?
#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Oh Jesus Christ.

Just say nothing if you have nothing to say.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 03:18 AM

You're full of ----. Read through my recent post history.

I've read many of your posts and other posters have commented on this as well.

Overall your posts read as half-assed support for Trump and/or his administration.

Maybe you don't like Trump himself but you certainly support his policy "accomplishments" and goals.

If I was truly full of ---- I'd just call you a racist and never respond.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 03:21 AM

As for shifting power, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion considering he's largely enacted his "policy" via executive actions.

An overwhelming majority of those executive actions have undone over-reaching actions from the prior administration. They've undone executive over-reach.

His 'rolling back the bureaucratic state' has been largely by appointing folks who are 180 degrees from the stated missions of agencies they're appointed to...No. T

he EPA wasn't created to regulate - without new laws expanding its powers - CO2 emissions. Smog, rivers like the Rouge in Michigan, catching fire due to pollution, etc..THAT is what the EPA was created to combat, and it has been extremely successful. In the past couple of decades it's an agency that has had very little accountability, has colluded with environmentailst groups to circumvent established rules to enact favored policy regulations, has so grossly expanded "navigable waterways" to literally encompass runoff ditches...we can debate whether or not these were prudent regulations, but the fact remains they are well outside of the scope of the original clean-water/clean-air act that their enactment belongs in the legislative body.

The judicial nominees I'm aware of are far right -------- who are chosen to push a political viewpoint.

Of course they are. And I would guess that you view ALL of Obama's nominees as unicorns.

I love fascism. State sanctioned corporate power supposedly in the name of "the people". That is what you're supporting. Nothing more, nothing less.

Straw man alert!!!

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:30 AM

Maybe you don't like Trump himself but you certainly support his policy "accomplishments" and goals.

I despise Trump himself and I absolutely support much of his policy "accomplishments"...

I don't recall you making the case that Hillary Clinton is an exemplary person. But had she won and enacted policies you favored surely you'd have been able to applaud the policy in spite of the person enacting it. No?

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:34 AM

No, I'm not comparing the political right to child molesters, I'm just using an extreme example hoping it's clear.

#30 | POSTED BY JPW

It's not clear.

I reread your post three times, giving maximum benefit of the doubt, and it's still not clear.

Maybe you can phrase it differently so that I can better understand your POV?

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 03:50 AM

What is a SJW bigot, is that when white girls in hoop earrings make you mad?

This harms you?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 04:01 AM

An overwhelming majority of those executive actions have undone over-reaching actions from the prior administration. They've undone executive over-reach.

--------. This is why you're not taken seriously.

he EPA wasn't created to regulate - without new laws expanding its powers - CO2 emissions. Smog, rivers like the Rouge in Michigan, catching fire due to pollution, etc.

Do you have something, anything, to back this up beyond gross political BS ideology?

BTW do you really not see how that post adds to your mystique of -------- support of everything wrong with the GOP? Wahhhhh the Constitution doesn't specifically state that the Federal government has the power to stop rivers from being lit on fire, UNCONSTITUTIONAL OVER REACH!!!

---- me. Stick you head in a plastic bag if you love inhospitable, polluted conditions so much.

Of course they are. And I would guess that you view ALL of Obama's nominees as unicorns.

Nope. But the Dems didn't block a candidate's Senate hearing/vote nor the appointment of multiple judiciary positions in order to fill them with their own shills.

Don't let your own biased mongoloid views taint your perception of me. Please?

Straw man alert!!!

That was a description of how I perceive your views. Learn the definition of a strawman before claiming it.

I don't recall you making the case that Hillary Clinton is an exemplary person. But had she won and enacted policies you favored surely you'd have been able to applaud the policy in spite of the person enacting it. No?

Sure. But what I'm saying is you've yet to clearly dissociate yourself from Trump. You pay lip service to it but spend most of your character count deflecting criticisms of him or nitpicking them in order to minimize them.

You're a shill dude. Just own it.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 04:15 AM

Maybe you can phrase it differently so that I can better understand your POV?

#45 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You spend 10% of your time denouncing Trump or the GOP policies...

And 90% of the time you nitpick criticisms, deflect critiques or regurgitate talking points.

Which ends up in our being identified with the 90% portion of what you post.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 04:21 AM

DOTUS should extend DACA by exec order--then he'd have the dems to poke.

#49 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-20 05:03 AM

What would happen if China suddenly could not afford to buy our Treasury bonds?

#50 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2018-01-20 06:12 AM

"If Trump says the sun sets in the west should I denounce it?"

You should at least get up and look for yourself.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-20 07:28 AM

Trump blew up the compromise that could have avoided this. This is his shutdown. Is he already in Florida?

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-20 07:30 AM

You spend 10% of your time denouncing Trump or the GOP policies...
And 90% of the time you nitpick criticisms, deflect critiques or regurgitate talking points.
Which ends up in our being identified with the 90% portion of what you post.

#48 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-01-20 04:21 AM

You are a liar.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 08:23 AM

#47 | POSTED BY JPW

You are a clown.

I am not going to defend myself from positions you've falsely assigned to me.

You have what Chairborne would describe as 'the JeffJ flu'.

You are channeling that schizoid Cocosamvilletutmoses.

Yeah, that guy.

I don't know why you've become so obsessed with me, all of a sudden, but it's creepy.

I'd brush off your unprovoked personal attacks to youth and immaturity but you are in your 30's.

You should know better. At least by now. It's sad that you don't.

I'm leaning towards simply ignoring all of your posts going forward.

I hope you have a nice weekend.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 08:33 AM

Every president to ever exist has had to compromise. Every CEO to ever exist has had to compromise. That is what being an executive is all about. It's no surprise that Trump, and his fans, do not understand this. To them, it's about the religion.

Of course, when your entire fan-base is composed of people who will never ever be an executive or even have a clue what an executive does, then you can make them believe it is a religion.

Forget about the fact that you are gonna keep poor children from getting health care, and forget about the fact that you are going to export Americans away from their country .... forget about all that crap ... because if you don't agree, with no reservations, with Cheetolini, then you are going to hell.

#55 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-20 08:45 AM

here only purpose is to serve the demands of the 1%

It's hilarious to hear you democrats parrot this, considering the majority of the "rich" in this nation are democrats.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 08:49 AM

How in the hell, do you have control of both chambers and the White House, have a government shutdown? What kind of RINO's are in our government now?

The Dems vote party line, because they know the mini hitlers in their party would kill them. But we as Republicans are playing right into the Liberals hands..

I'm thinking about voting Democrat just to get these dumbasses out of office.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 08:55 AM

How in the hell, do you have control of both chambers and the White House, have a government shutdown? What kind of RINO's are in our government now?

The Dems vote party line, because they know the mini hitlers in their party would kill them. But we as Republicans are playing right into the Liberals hands..

I'm thinking about voting Democrat just to get these dumbasses out of office.

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 08:55 AM | Reply

Alrighty then.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 09:07 AM

The Republicans control Congress and the presidency, so they don't need a single Democratic vote to avoid a shutdown.

That Republicans are trying to blame Democrats anyway shows they've become a party that cannot govern. Even in power they would rather produce excuses than results.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-20 09:31 AM

Further proof that it takes more to govern than fist shaking and yelling get off my lawn. The angry old white party is way past it's best by date.

#60 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-20 09:52 AM

Republicans are like cockroaches, scurrying to hide when the light comes on. Guess what cockroaces, the light is on and you're exposed as the partisan, anti-American scum that many of us have always known you to be. My bet, when they are this low of a point they will try to start a war, it is the only thing that can save them politically and they care more about politics than they do the nation. Biggest losers will be Kim Jung Un and the American people. N. Koreans will benefit though.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 09:54 AM

How in the hell, do you have control of both chambers and the White House, have a government shutdown? What kind of RINO's are in our government now?

The Dems vote party line, because they know the mini hitlers in their party would kill them. But we as Republicans are playing right into the Liberals hands..

I'm thinking about voting Democrat just to get these dumbasses out of office.

#57 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You have it all backwards.

The reason Republicans are so inept in this situation is because keeping the government open is tied to DACA, and Republicans can't show ANY support for the Dreamers along with anything resembling a coherently humane immigration policy -- because doing so pisses off their overwhelmingly bigoted base of voters, who will then primary them.

The votes for DACA are there, because Americans overwhelmingly support citizenship for Dreamers.

But why won't Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell bring up DACA for a vote on the floor of the House and Senate? Because Republicans who support it will be primary'd by their base of bigoted voters who are crazy about the issue.

Democrats smartly tied the issue of DACA to the budget, and after 8 years of GOP obstructing Obama to placate that same base of Republican voters, this is what happens.

#62 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-20 09:55 AM

"The Dems vote party line, because they know the mini hitlers in their party would kill them."

It is actually a fact that Democrats enabled both Reagan and Trump by voting for them because they believed the hollow promises made by both. Claiming Democrats vote party line is just stupid, it is a fact though that Republicans do vote party line, always have always will because they are sheep. They've supported every Republican President, even Nixon. Eisenhower was the last decent American to be elected as a Republican and if you hven't figured that out by now I feel sorry for you.

#63 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:05 AM

I dont have it backwards, Pinch.

You democrats are too stupid for anything.

The Republicans in the house and the Senate need to be put out and not to the benefit of Democrats. I would rather have the Republicans in there instead of Democrats, anything is better than the brain dead Democrats in there now.
Republicans cant work together to get anything done. And that's stupid.

That Republicans are trying to blame Democrats anyway shows they've become a party that cannot govern.

Oh, but when it was Democrats blaming Republicans, they still could govern? What a partisan little girl you are.

We as Republicans should have steam rolled over the Democrats. Make them irrelevant as they truly are and let them sit in the corner crying as they always do and are doing now.

#64 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 10:06 AM

Many Americans aren't even aware what the three branches of government are, much less which party controls each of them.

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 10:08 AM

Yeah Boaz, because only Republicans have ever started wars so that they could be "wartime Presidents" and have more power because of it. You truly are a fool. I laugh at you every single day. Well not every day, may Sundays I don't come here but every day I do come here, I laugh at your utter stupidity. It is honestly beyond belief, it's a sitcom.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:12 AM

"Many Americans aren't even aware what the three branches of government are, much less which party controls each of them."

But many more of us are aware and quite knowledgeable about it and we're cluing in the ignorant among us.

#67 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:13 AM

The sticking point is DACA, all 650,000 registered ones who have til March before it ends absent legislation. Many millions will suffer with the immediate suspension of WIC, TANF and CHIP. I mean, do we care about those mostly poor less than we care about undocumented aliens who everybody is looking for a fix for anyway? Polls show that more than 86% of all voters (R D I) want an extension on DACA. Not sure why we had to go to DEFCON stoopid last night.

#68 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-20 10:14 AM

Republicans own this shutdown like they owned the last shutdown. That's the crux of the whole thing.

#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 10:16 AM

"Not sure why we had to go to DEFCON stoopid last night."

It's because Republicans wanted to make it into a game instead of governing the nation so they offered Democrats an "either or" proposition and the Democrats stood their ground and refused to play the stupid game. Republicans obviously don't see the beneficiaries of CHIPS nor DACA as human beings, they see them as pawns in a game of chess that they are losing, badly. The majority of Americans see both the kids benefiting from CHIPS and the young folks benefiting from DACA as human beings deserving of compassion. These Republican liars tell us we need to spend more on the military while refusing to renew CHIPS. Think about that.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:24 AM

Cloture rules say you need 60 Senators to bring it to a vote. 9 or 10 Democrats are needed to do this. Neither side is blameless.

#71 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-20 10:27 AM

I would rather have the Republicans in there instead of Democrats, anything is better than the brain dead Democrats in there now.

Republicans cant work together to get anything done. And that's stupid.

#64 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You want Republicans instead of "brain dead Democrats", even though stupid "Republicans can't get anything done". You just screwed yourself into the ground -- congrats!

Here are two insults just for you ...

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- Winston Churchill
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -- George Carlin

Boaz, come this November election, due the country a big fat favor -- stay home.

#72 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-20 10:28 AM

Uh, CHIP was included in the Senate CR.

#73 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-20 10:28 AM

"Neither side is blameless." - #71 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-20 10:27 AM

Anatomy of a Shutdown:

✘ A Republican ended President Obama's DACA Executive Order.

Republicans put off funding CHIP for 4 months.

✘ A Republican rejected a bi-partisan deal to restore DACA.

Republicans put CHIP in the CR to try to force it to pass without DACA.

And who is in the position of power, the position from which best to negotiate and compromise in order to get a deal?
Republicans have the majority in the US House.

Republicans have the majority in the US Senate.

✘ A Republican, supposed author of The Art of the Deal, sits in the Oval Office.

Don't see too many mentions of the other side there.

#74 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 10:29 AM

"Uh, CHIP was included in the Senate CR." - #73 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-20 10:28 AM

Uh, Republicans put off funding CHIP for 4 months.

#75 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 10:31 AM

Not long ago Trump endorsed what he called a good shutdown. We have a shutdown now because that's what Trump wanted. He calculated this shutdown would ultimately be beneficial to him and to the GOP. Don't forget Trump sees the presidency as a cross between a realty TV show and a PR campaign he needs to manage. He is betting he can use the drama of the shutdown to his advantage by naming it after Schumer (branding) and blaming the Democrats (ever hero needs a villain to fight against and conquer). This has nothing to do with running the government. Trump couldn't care less about governing. What he likes is campaigning before a fawning crowd of thousands, and he will use this self-created issue on the campaign trail.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 10:35 AM

"Cloture rules say you need 60 Senators to bring it to a vote. 9 or 10 Democrats are needed to do this. Neither side is blameless."

Just shows that the Democrats have more moral conviction than the Republicans, they aren't willing to sell out one group just to please another group. Republicans care more about pleasing thier racist base than governing. Vote for DACA, lose the racist 30% of the GOP, that is the truth.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:35 AM

"He is betting he can use the drama of the shutdown to his advantage by naming it after Schumer (branding) and blaming the Democrats (ever hero needs a villain to fight against and conquer). "

I agree but Democrats should be taking to the airwaves and naming it the Trump Shutdown because that is really what it is.

#78 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:37 AM

"The sticking point is DACA, all 650,000 registered ones who have til March before it ends absent legislation. Many millions will suffer with the immediate suspension of WIC, TANF and CHIP. I mean, do we care about those mostly poor less than we care about undocumented aliens who everybody is looking for a fix for anyway?"

It's about more than DACA (although I understand why the GOP want to frame it that way in order to pit "real Americans" against Dreamers. Bob Casey explained what, to his mind, this is about:

Senator Bob Casey‏ @SenBobCasey

The bill we got from the @HouseGOP last night doesn't even have the unanimous support of the @SenateGOP.

It's not a bill that can pass and that's because it has gaping holes on a serious of urgent matters. @SenateMajLdr talked about urgency last night so let's go through what he left out.

Funding for community health centers is not in the bill. That's an urgent matter for 800,000 Pennsylvanians who use them.

Funding for fighting the opioid crisis is not in this bill. That's an urgent matter.

A fix for pension plans, including the coal miners that @realDonaldTrump promised to help, is not in this bill. That's an urgent matter.

The Republicans talk about including CHIP, but thousands of children in Pennsylvania get their care from community health centers which they allowed to expire on September 30th of last year. That's an urgent matter.

What's so frustrating about this is that we have already negotiated bipartisan agreements to fix these issues- bills that are supported by Democrats and Republicans.

Republicans have total control of two branches of government, and they can't keep the lights on because they're genuflecting to their extreme far-right colleagues in the House.

@SpeakerRyan defers over and over again to this group of extremists, and that's how you get this bill last night that's full of holes- A bill that was negotiated by the @freedomcaucus, with the @freedomcaucus, and with only @freedomcaucus priorities in mind.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 10:47 AM

Casey also explains another important healthcare related item not addressed in the GOP bill:

Senator Bob Casey‏ @SenBobCasey

House Republicans did not extend funding for Teaching Health Centers in their continuing resolution, despite having bipartisan support.

Residents training in the 56 centers across 26 states, including at the Wright Center in Scranton Pennsylvania, need certainty that they will not be left without a place to train.

Teaching health centers focus on primary care in medically underserved areas. Like CHIP and CHCs, teaching health centers need certainty and it is our responsibility to provide it.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 10:55 AM

Boaz, come this November election, due the country a big fat favor -- stay home.

And let you democrats ruin the nation. NO.

And here's a revelation for you. Your side isnt the majority of the nation. Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats. That's why you have lost. You've ruined this nation, culturally and morally. And it's just sad we have these fake Republicans in office and they cant get anything done.

It's a sad time for this nation. We have morally bankrupt "leaders" on both sides.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 11:01 AM

"most of the nation hates you Democrats."

Only in your fevered dreams.

The Democrat got the majority of the nation's votes last time around. The current President has record low approval ratings. More voters would like to see Ds in charge than Rs in charge.
www.cnn.com

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-20 11:05 AM

"Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats.""

Obama Derangement Syndrome morphed into Clinton Derangement Syndrome and has now become Democrats Derangement Syndrome (DDS).

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 11:08 AM

"Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats." - #81 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-20 11:01 AM

I'm sure that Governor Ed Gillespie and US Senator Roy Moore agree with you, pfc. boazo.

#84 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 11:12 AM

And here's a revelation for you. Your side isnt the majority of the nation. Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats. That's why you have lost. You've ruined this nation, culturally and morally. And it's just sad we have these fake Republicans in office and they cant get anything done.

It's a sad time for this nation. We have morally bankrupt "leaders" on both sides.

#81 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm a registered Independent. And I've always been a registered Independent except before my state's caucus because I had to be a registered Democrat in order to caucus for Bernie Sanders. After the election I changed back to being a registered Independent.

Registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans and registered Democrats.

news.gallup.com

And while most so-called Independents, when pressed, will favor one party over the other ... and in today's political climate I certainly favor Democratic policies -- but also have voted for both Bushes and Dole in '96.

You keep wanting to insult people in the most singular way -- "liberal", "Democrat", (most of the country "hates you") -- yet until I came along you were totally clueless to everything from the Veterans Affairs to healthcare to tax cuts to what the Red Summer 1919 was (and I'm white and you're black!) ...

You know what I hate? Stupidity.

#85 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-20 11:22 AM

And let you democrats ruin the nation. NO.

And here's a revelation for you. Your side isnt the majority of the nation. Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats. That's why you have lost. You've ruined this nation, culturally and morally. And it's just sad we have these fake Republicans in office and they cant get anything done.

It's a sad time for this nation. We have morally bankrupt "leaders" on both sides.

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 11:01 AM | Reply

You're full of runny brown stuffs. Your ignorance is showing yet again.

#86 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 11:34 AM

"And here's a revelation for you. Your side isnt the majority of the nation. Actually, most of the nation hates you Democrats."

Still having trouble with reality I see.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote because she was more popular.

The blue wave 🌊 is coming.

And we are going to grab you by the mid terms.

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 11:50 AM

"Cloture rules say you need 60 Senators to bring it to a vote. 9 or 10 Democrats are needed to do this. Neither side is blameless."

That is to insure that both parties are included in the negotiations of these types of bills.

It's called COMPROMISE.

No compromise, no vote.

No mud, no lotus.

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 11:58 AM

"Hillary Clinton won the popular vote because she was more popular......in 2 states."

FT

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-20 12:09 PM

Cmon, Donner

Hillary won in two States more than Trump.

#85

Pinch, you are an independent along the lines of a Kudzu independent. In order to be a true "independent", you must vote with the Republicans 50% of the time..

You and Kudzu vote Democrat 85% of the time.

Both of you are true liberals.

#90 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 12:12 PM

"Hillary won in two States more than Trump. "

LOL If that were true (hint: it's not), that would mean Trump would have had the EC landslide he likes to claim he did.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 12:16 PM

"...most of the nation hates you Democrats."

Jesus wept.

LOL!

#92 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-20 12:19 PM

"Cmon, Donner
Hillary won in two States more than Trump."

Only two states voted ?

Last time I checked the vote was a total of ALL the states.

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 12:19 PM

What's wrong with this picture:

Republican President.
Republican House.
Republican Senate.
Schumer Shutdown.

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 12:23 PM

"More voters would like to see Ds in charge than Rs in charge.
www.cnn.com"

That's been true for a long time.

But as we all know, polls and Election Day are always different.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-20 12:23 PM

Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA

The fact Donald Trump is still President is irrefutable proof future benevolent beings never invent time-travel.
7:34 AM - 20 Jan 2018

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 12:25 PM

Election Day are always different.

#95 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Election Day is on it's way. 🌊

#97 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 12:25 PM

"Pinch, you are an independent along the lines of a Kudzu independent. In order to be a true "independent", you must vote with the Republicans 50% of the time.."

Boaz climbs to new heights of stupidity. Sad part is, he probably believes that nonsense.

#98 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 12:32 PM

Happy Anniversary Trump.

Hey! Did you notice that while you were busy eating cake and congratulating yourself that your government is shutdown?

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 12:35 PM

Pinch, you are an independent along the lines of a Kudzu independent. In order to be a true "independent", you must vote with the Republicans 50% of the time..

You and Kudzu vote Democrat 85% of the time.

Both of you are true liberals.

#90 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who died and made you king??? Last time I checked an independent had an open mind. It didn't require them to vote a certain way 50% of the time for either party.

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 12:35 PM

In order to be a true "independent", you must vote with the Republicans 50% of the time.

Why? Is "Independent" supposed to mean "average"?

#101 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-20 12:36 PM

With the history of the Republican Party for the last 47 years why would anyone want to claim to be an independent unless you approve of what that party has done. I am proud that I have been a Democrat for all those years because, for the most part, I can be proud of what my party has stood for. In truth the Democrats could have accomplished even more had not so many people felt alienated from parties most because of the evils committed by Republicans and then fall for the same crap that both parties are the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. Perhaps the one good thing Republicans have done in the last 40 years was Medicare Part D, and even that they f'ed up by prohibiting the Medicare from negotiating for lower drug prices.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 12:44 PM

Did anyone else notice that Mitch McConnell voted NO on ending cloture which effectively shut down the government?

So my question is, why did Mitch McConnell, the Republicans majority leader, vote to shut down the government? Was there some strategy to that?

#103 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 12:58 PM

"Was there some strategy to that?"

They can sell this anyway they want through Fox News to their base. The truth will not penetrate the right wing bubble and they know it.

#104 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 01:05 PM

"The blue wave 🌊 is coming."'

It should be. I really should.

But then the Dems, yet again, find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This shutdown lies squarely on the shoulders of the Dems. They own it.

#105 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-20 01:10 PM

This shutdown lies squarely on the shoulders of the Dems. They own it.

#105 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Why do you think that? Since the Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House it is their responsibility to govern. It thief responsibility to submit bills that will pass. It is the s responsibility for the ruling party to work with the other party. period. That is how you govern.

And this just shows the Republicans cannot govern.

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 01:16 PM

The current administration is probably serving the public best by shutting down.

#107 | Posted by bat4255 at 2018-01-20 01:16 PM

Theif = is their (not that they aren't thieves...thanks Siri)

#108 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 01:18 PM

"This shutdown lies squarely on the shoulders of the Dems. They own it."

He knows better but just wants to try to further the lie. All Republicans will be repeating it for the next few days trying to convince themselves that fake news is real news.

#109 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 01:21 PM

Trump spoke to "Fox & Friends" in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

"Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top," Trump said. "I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president's the leader. And he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."

He said that further down in history, "when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time."

"They're not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who's running things in Washington," Trump said.

"So I really think the pressure is on the president," he added.

thehill.com

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 01:23 PM

#81 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Reality and righties. They need to be introduced some day.

#111 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 01:40 PM

"This shutdown lies squarely on the shoulders of the Dems. They own it."

Both parties own it. Anything beyond that is spin.

#112 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 01:47 PM

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
11:01 AM - 8 Nov 2013

#113 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 01:53 PM

"Both parties own it."

That's not what Trump believed when Obama was President.

What changed?

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-20 01:55 PM

I just don't understand why the Republican Party was so hell bent on shutting down the government. They control the White House. They control the Senate. They control the House of Representatives. Why did they insist on shutting it all down? What is the Republican strategy in all this?

#115 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-20 01:56 PM

"Schumer Shutdown."

I think they should name it after Trump: The -------- Shutdown.

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-20 01:56 PM

Trump said he'll be blamed for shutdown ‘no matter what'

thehill.com

#TrumpShutdown

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 01:58 PM

"Both parties own it."

No they don't.

One party controls both houses and the Oval Office.

They own it.

#118 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-20 01:59 PM

"I think they should name it after Trump: The -------- Shutdown."

I like it: #Shi$hole Shutdown.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 01:59 PM

#111 | Posted by jpw

Righties? Unlikely.

Boaz? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

#120 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-20 02:01 PM

I'm thinking about voting Democrat just to get these dumbasses out of office.
Posted by boaz at 2018-01-20 08:55 AM | Reply

You democrats are too stupid for anything.
The Republicans in the house and the Senate need to be put out and not to the benefit of Democrats. I would rather have the Republicans in there instead of Democrats, anything is better than the brain dead Democrats in there now.

well which is it boaz?

#121 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-01-20 02:02 PM

Trump spoke to "Fox & Friends" in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

"Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top," Trump said. "I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president's the leader. And he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."

He said that further down in history, "when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time."

"They're not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who's running things in Washington," Trump said.

"So I really think the pressure is on the president," he added.

thehill.com

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 01:23 PM | Reply

Hmm. Going to be kinda hard to reconcile that with what all his supporters are saying on this thread!

#122 | Posted by cbob at 2018-01-20 02:02 PM

#105 | Posted by madbomber

Idiot is jealous of all the attention ol' Bozo's gittin'...

#123 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-20 02:05 PM

Republicans are stupid, Mod8. DACA should have nothing to do with a CR but they allow the Dems to make it an issue. Democrats are causing this shutdown because the GOP is too incompetent to publicly ask for a "clean" bill. That's what Obama did last time and it was effective. If the GOP gets blamed, they deserve it. They are terrible at politics.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 02:05 PM

"Hillary Clinton won the popular vote because she was more popular."

The United States is not a direct democracy. It was never intended to be, and probably never will be in your lifetime. When other people talk about most of the nation, they obviously mean geographically.

H.R. Clinton, like Albert Gore, only won the popular vote in 20 states, compared to 30 by their opponents. People need to accept this is the system they have to work within, otherwise 2020 will just be a repeat of 2004.

#125 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 02:05 PM

Help! Help! Send in more Russian trolls and bots:

#TrumpShutdown becomes top trending hashtag worldwide

thehill.com

#126 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 02:10 PM

The reason Trumpians don't want DACA is because it's a moral issue that goes to who we are as a people. They've already shown who they are as people, by voting for trump.

Now, they also want to throw children under the bus too, rather than act morally.

#127 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-20 02:13 PM

If the republicans wanted to fix DACA or fund CHIP they have had MONTHS to do it. They CHOSE not to address it and CHOSE to INTENTIONALLY wait until it was a crisis so they could use kids as a bragging chip. They chose not to negotiate but instead decided to try to force democrats to sign of on a partisan one sided stinking pile

YOU BUILT THIS YOU OWN IT

#128 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-20 03:00 PM

#110 Trump follow through on his own rhetoric? Are you kidding?

#129 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-20 03:03 PM

JPW kicking some Nazi sympathizer ass today is this thread.
Funny to watch these Teajadist Rubes getting their asses handed to them.

#130 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-20 03:04 PM

"Now, it's the Democrats forcing a shutdown if they don't get their way.
#11 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

What you're saying is not possible.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 03:05 PM

Whoever marked #125 funny, can you try to explain what's funny about it?

#132 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 03:06 PM

You know you can see who flagged what, right?

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 03:13 PM

Most of the country's population could care less as the shutdown has little impact on their everyday lives.

#134 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-20 03:21 PM

When other people talk about most of the nation, they obviously mean geographically.

Is throwing "obviously" in there supposed to make that statement true?

#135 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-20 03:26 PM

Nazi sympathizer

*Drink*

#136 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 03:32 PM

"Why do you think that? Since the Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House it is their responsibility to govern. It thief responsibility to submit bills that will pass. It is the s responsibility for the ruling party to work with the other party. period. That is how you govern."

Yes. And if the repubs would have crafted legislation that caved in to all the demands issued by the Dems, it would have passed. based on how this played out, I don't think the Dems wanted it to pass. I think they may have wanted the shutdown. Because the lines the were committed to holding were built around issues that are immaterial to most Americans.

I could be wrong...we'll see...but I think the Dems are going to bet burned by this.

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-20 03:39 PM

Here's a novel solution.

have a clean DACA bill

Have a separate clean CHIP bill

Have a separate clean bill on the other spending bills

Have a separate clean border wall spending bill

Have a separate clean immigration bill

That way politics can be somewhat removed from the equation, parties will be more likely to negotiate, our fellow countrymen wont think we hate them and we will have a functioning government.

Crazy aint it?

I believe that is how our country worked for many many year.

#138 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-20 03:51 PM

Meanwhile Trump headed for the golf course for the weekend. Does not give a $#!t, especially for $#!thole places.

#139 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-20 03:59 PM

parties will be more likely to negotiate

I doubt it. With a clean, one issue bill what's to negotiate?

#140 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-20 04:01 PM

"I just don't understand why the Republican Party was so hell bent on shutting down the government."

Do you understand why the Dems were?

#141 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-20 04:05 PM

#133, "You know you can see who flagged what, right?"

no, where do you see that?

#142 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 04:29 PM

"The United States is not a direct democracy." - #125 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 02:05 PM

You must have missed that whole 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution thingy.

Happened more than 100 years ago.

#143 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 04:30 PM

" no, where do you see that? - #142 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 04:29 PM

Right there at the very top of each page, upper left navigation area: Recently Flagged

#144 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 04:32 PM

"Do you understand why the Dems were?" - #141 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-20 04:05 PM

They weren't.

#145 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-20 04:33 PM

#144, ah, I never noticed that before. My mind must have always skipped over it, because it looks redundant to the Flagged Comments link immediately above it, which doesn't show who flagged what.

#146 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 04:47 PM

#144, ah, I never noticed that before. My mind must have always skipped over it, because it looks redundant to the Flagged Comments link immediately above it, which doesn't show who flagged what.

#147 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-20 04:47 PM

"They weren't."

Actually, they were.

The Dems could have gotten most of what they were seeking...but decided instead to withhold support unless they got 100% of what they were asking for.

And I get it...it was a political move. Just like Ted Cruz in 2013. But just like it was the Repubs fault then-they were trying to make a statement-Now it's the dems.

#148 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-20 04:51 PM

Trump won't know how to live with so few servants in the white house.

#149 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-20 04:58 PM

"Democrats are causing this shutdown because the GOP is too incompetent..."

Another proud member of The Party of Responsibility.

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-20 05:21 PM

"That is to insure that both parties are included in the negotiations of these types of bills. It's called COMPROMISE. No compromise, no vote."

We only want your input when we call for a vote.

#151 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-20 05:30 PM

I think the Dems are going to bet burned by this.

#137 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Not if they hold the line and actually force a debate and negotiate a real budget.

#152 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 05:53 PM

I think the Dems are going to bet burned by this.

#137 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Only in your dreams.

#153 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 05:55 PM

"The Dems could have gotten most of what they were seeking...but decided instead to withhold support unless they got 100% of what they were asking for."

And consider that the Republicans just voted their donor class a huge tax cut while the Democrats are going to the mat for healthcare for poor children and the right to remain in the nation for young people who have obeyed the laws, gone to school, worked, volunteered for our armed forces, etc. 100% of what we were holding out for is exactly the right requirement for the Democrats to agree to a budget. We shouldn't throw any of those Americans under the GOP bus.

#154 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-21 06:43 AM

Just POTUS keeping another promise to make government smaller, more agile and reduce regulation. If they do not authorize back pay for Federal "non-essential" employees that are on furlough there may be a cost savings. More promises kept!

On a positive note, most drive up national parks are open, though not collecting admission money. They are on skeleton crews mostly for safety and security. Trash removal may be suspended so please clean up after yourself and as you go. Pack it in, pack it out. Take only pictures, leave only footprints. FREE PARK DAY! What better way to spend the 1 year anniversary?

#155 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-21 09:15 AM

And of course we all know that Trump ran on border security. The Dems may need to give a crumb towards the wall in exchange for DACA.

#156 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-21 09:20 AM

NUKE

Schumer did that and Trump raised the ante to $20 billion. That's not a crumb.

Now what?

#157 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-21 09:27 AM

"If they do not authorize back pay for Federal "non-essential" employees that are on furlough there may be a cost savings. More promises kept!"

Yeah, just screw those employees and their families. More Republican winning. So much winning. And, if this is Trump winning then the shut down is on him isn't it? But his administration is denying responsibility so then it isn't really a win for him.

#158 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-21 09:50 AM

At least they made him miss his one year party at Mar a Lago, so it's not all victory for POTUS. There's a way for the shutdown to be spun so he has his cake and eats it too. The people who voted for DT certainly don't understand why the government should have to partially shutdown just so a rider protecting people who came to USA initially illegally could be included in the budget. DACA is not at a crisis stage! It expires in March! It is only wrapped up in crisis because the Dems forced a shutdown for a program that expires after the continuing resolution would expire (February 16).

Less might not understand that to close debate in the Senate you need 60 votes. The CR vote count was more than half (50-49) but as we know raw vote doesn't always win the day.

#159 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-21 12:18 PM

"to close debate in the Senate you need 60 votes."

Maybe someone should inform the Republicans.

#160 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-21 12:20 PM

"Not if they hold the line and actually force a debate and negotiate a real budget."

The thing is, they're holding the line on something that doesn't really matter to most people... DACA is not nearly this important, and even if it were Trump was ready to sign a deal. It was the Dems commitment to unfettered chain migration that really caused this thing to break.

That's why I think this is an intentional act on the part of the Dems. Maybe it will help them, but I don't think it will. I don't think it will hurt Trump. His numbers are already so low that there's not much room for public opinion to shift against him.

Trump has allowed the Dems to generate a lot of goodwill. I'm not sure they haven't just blown it.

#161 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-21 12:51 PM

"The thing is, they're holding the line on something that doesn't really matter to most people... DACA is not nearly this important, and even if it were Trump was ready to sign a deal. It was the Dems commitment to unfettered chain migration that really caused this thing to break."

DACA is very important. But if you believe that is the only reason the government is shutdown you are just not paying attention

Try listening to what the Democrats are saying. Not what lying ignoramus Trump is saying. And as I understand it Democrats are willing to negotiate. Republicans are not.

McConnell is not even willing to bring these issues to the floor for a vote. And when they do, such as CHIP, which they threw in as a cherry on top a pile of manure the Democrats are not fooled anymore. CHIP has been expired since Sept and the Republicans are using it to play games with our children's lives. Disgusting! The CHIP amendment is a fake authorization that authorized the insurance but not the hospitals where these child's would get treatment. Who are they fooling? Ignorant Trumpsters that's who. Are you fooled? If you are then you are an ignorant Trumpster,too.

#162 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-21 02:07 PM

"Try listening to what the Democrats are saying. Not what lying ignoramus Trump is saying. And as I understand it Democrats are willing to negotiate. Republicans are not."

Chuck Schumer is not even remotely interested in negotiating. If he were, he wouldn't be against passing a clean bill-instead of tying it's passage to ideological goals.

And even if DACA is important-not saying it's not. But it's not even remotely close to being as important as making sure the troops get paid on time.

#163 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-21 03:37 PM

"But it's not even remotely close to being as important as making sure the troops get paid on time."

I'd say it's more important, because it affects about three million more people. But that's just me.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 03:39 PM

"I'd say it's more important, because it affects about three million more people. But that's just me."

How many of those three million are getting shot at by ISIS?

#165 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-21 03:42 PM

And even if DACA is important-not saying it's not. But it's not even remotely close to being as important as making sure the troops get paid on time.

#163 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That is a joke right? Where were you when Republicans were shuttering the government over the ACA? I bet your were busy explaining how it is a lie and false to say the troops won't be paid. The troops are always paid. It is entirely up to Congress.

#166 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-21 03:46 PM

How many of those three million are getting shot at by ISIS?

#165 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

All this fear mongering is garbage. Congress could get the government open in a few hours. And I know you are not so stupid to not know that this is true. The party in control can submit a bill right now would open the government for 3-4 days while they negotiate the issues. But instead of that they are choosing to snipe and point fingers and play politics instead of working on the ACTUAL problems that need to be solved.

Pouring kerosene on a fire is NOT how you put the fire out.

#167 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-21 03:53 PM

"How many of those three million are getting shot at by ISIS?"

How does getting paid on time protect you from getting shot at by ISIS?

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 04:51 PM

The reason the dems voted party line is because there is nothing in the bill that any den could vote for. The bill was written by republicans for republicans. The dems offered a compromise and the republicans are pretending that not rolling over and decorating makes it the dems fault. The republicans could have had the votes by making this a bill for America but they have no reason to expect a purely partisan bill to pass

#169 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-22 02:18 AM

Does anyone here actually believe Trumpublicans will ever honestly accept this is a Republican screw up?

Trumpublicans are morons.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 04:58 AM

CLOWN

"Does anyone here actually believe Trumpublicans will ever honestly accept this is a Republican screw up?"

Not a chance. ~ LOL

That funny looking guy in the Oval Office who calls himself a world-class negotiator doesn't seem to know that the Art of the Deal includes living to fight another day.

Hiding under all that hair spray is probably a tiny voice telling him that he's not going to have "another day."

#171 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-22 05:13 AM

Steve Bannon
@PRESlDENTBANNON

The government is shut down, there are fake missile alerts going out, America's global image is at an all-time low, the president is paying hush money to porn stars and people are eating laundry detergent.

Year One, great success.

#172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 05:49 AM

CLOWN

"Year One, great success."

Well he did make the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And he IS trying to turn American's population into blue-eyed blonds. And he IS setting the stage to turn America into imperil isolationists. And he IS dismantling America's social safety nets. And he IS playing a game of chicken with nuclear weapons. And he IS attempting to destroy America's faith in our justice system. And he IS attmpting to make or break the world's economy with U.S. oil exports.

So yes, if your name is Vlad Putin or Rebekah Mercer, Trump is the greatest president in the world.

#173 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-22 06:22 AM

For republicans, especially trumpublicans, negotiating and compromise are signs of weakness.

Liberals and democrats haven't learned this simple lesson and it's why the nation and the narrative are so dangerously Rightwing.

#174 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 06:35 AM

if your name is Vlad Putin or Rebekah Mercer, Trump is the greatest president in the world.

You have to ask yourself, who would benefit from a weakened American federal government and a weaker American middle class.

One has to wonder.

#175 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 06:37 AM

One has to wonder.

It will be interesting to see who the Russians support in 2018.

I'm sure they'd like to give the Democrats back one side of the house just to stalemate things even more.

#176 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-22 07:20 AM

So how did your 401k do last year?

#177 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-22 07:45 AM

The government shut down? I haven't noticed.

#178 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 08:20 AM

"The reason the dems voted party line is because there is nothing in the bill that any den could vote for."

Really? funding the government isn't a bill that any Dems could support?

If Trump were to offer up a clean bill that had nothing else in it but a mechanism to fund the government, should the Dems sign that?

#179 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-22 09:34 AM

"You have to ask yourself, who would benefit from a weakened American federal government."

Probably all of us that didn't have ambitions to rule over others.

#180 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-22 09:35 AM

Really? funding the government isn't a bill that any Dems could support?
If Trump were to offer up a clean bill that had nothing else in it but a mechanism to fund the government, should the Dems sign that?

#179 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for that wall?

#181 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 11:30 AM

The government shut down? I haven't noticed.

#178 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

If you were a member of the military, I'm sure you would love not getting paid.

#182 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 11:31 AM

A number of mainstream media outlets are blaming Democrats for this shutdown.

Negotiate DACA separately and pass a funding bill.

#183 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 11:44 AM

"A number of mainstream media outlets are blaming Democrats for this shutdown." - #183 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 11:44 AM

Fox News is not a mainstream media outlet.

And opinion pieces written by those on the right and published by or on mainstream media sources don't count.

#184 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 11:48 AM

#183 - Jeff, you can't trust the GOP or Trump. At all. Mitch already screwed his own people to get the tax bill through. Why would Democrats trust him with this?

#185 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-22 11:53 AM

Why would Democrats trust him with this?

#185 | POSTED BY YAV

I'm not sure what you are driving at?

If the bill fully funds the government, why should the Dems oppose it?

Are you suggesting that Dems are afraid the GOP won't work out a DACA deal if this funding measure goes through?

#186 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 11:58 AM

"And opinion pieces written by those on the right and published by or on mainstream media sources don't count."

Objectively, it's hard not to blame the Democrats for this one. It's their insistence that additional measured be included in a funding bill that are hanging this thing up. And a majority of Americans don't feel that solving DACA is important enough to shut down the government.

That's not to say that Trump isn't an idiot. It was hi impulsiveness that opened this door in the first place. There was no reason to state that you were going to end DACA prior to a funding bill being passed.

"Are you suggesting that Dems are afraid the GOP won't work out a DACA deal if this funding measure goes through?"

Why would it matter...they are two separate issues. There's literally an infinite number of things that the Dems and Repubs will never work out...none of which may be directly related to immigration.

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-22 12:13 PM

#186 - exactly.
But it appears we have a deal. So we'll see.

#188 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-22 12:40 PM

But it appears we have a deal...

#188 | POSTED BY YAV

This is a good thing.

#189 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 12:43 PM

And a majority of Americans don't feel that solving DACA is important enough to shut down the government.

No, but a majority of Americans are interested in the two sides compromising, which GOP is refusing to do.

Good on Dems for FINALLY growing a spine. American voters are happy for that, in the least.

#190 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 12:50 PM

A deal to keep the government open! YAY!

Until February 8th! ...wait...what?

#191 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 01:00 PM

Well, all the people saying the shut down was PROOF the GOP couldn't govern, must now admit that the deal is proof that they can govern.

I don't expect any of them to articulate that because I don't think any of them have the integrity.

#192 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-22 01:25 PM

Until February 8th! ...wait...what?

#191 | Posted by Sycophant

I trust McConnell and the Republicans as far as I can throw them.

I will place odds that we will once again be right back here again on Feb 8th.

#193 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 01:26 PM

If you were a member of the military, I'm sure you would love not getting paid.

#182 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-01-22 11:31 AM | FLAG:

Dems folded. They're getting paid again.

If they didn't, well, I'm no big fan of the MIC.

#194 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 01:28 PM

They de-funded Big Bird among their first acts and continue to threaten the best and most important societal progression, particularly protections. These Republican scum should be met with extreme prejudice - in the form of a pink slip.

Thank your stars that I am not in command. If this is what an invasion looks like I really want to test their usefulness prior to their next breath.

#195 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-22 02:35 PM

Dems caved. Story over. next

#196 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-22 03:05 PM

Dems lost on this one. It was a stupid ploy in the first place.

#197 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 03:07 PM

Dems folded.

Dems caved.

Of course demowussies surrendered.

Now Trumpublicans will smear their faces in this for the rest of the year. Which. Will be enough for them to keep control over congress.

Democrats and republicans are using two different playbooks. Unfortunately for democrats. Theirs is a losing strategy.

Republicans, especially Trumpublicans, view compromise as a sign of weakness.

This isn't ending anytime soon.

#198 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 03:13 PM

Dems got what they wanted. Though a shorter CR would have had more impact. The got your attention and the attention of the American people. If the ----- continue to refuse to negotiate DACA (and other things) in good faith and pass a real budget we will be right back here Feb 8th.

And anyway, it's not over until the Fat Trump sings (which should be any second now).

#199 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 03:15 PM

Dems got what they wanted.

No they didn't.

#200 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 03:16 PM

It was a stupid ploy in the first place.

Absolutely. There's no compromise with Republicans.

Democrats were stupid for ever believing there could be.

How does one argue with morons who believe a 2000+ year old book is a blueprint for living life from god?

#201 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 03:16 PM

Dems got what they wanted.

No they didn't.

Are you sure?

Perhaps they wanted to look incompetent.

#202 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 03:17 PM

It was a stupid ploy in the first place.
Absolutely. There's no compromise with Republicans.
Democrats were stupid for ever believing there could be.
How does one argue with morons who believe a 2000+ year old book is a blueprint for living life from god?

#201 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

This bill only keeps things open until Feb 8.

If McConnell doesn't bring up DACA before then, Dems can say Republicans lied and we go through the shutdown again...except they have more on their side to blame Republicans.

#203 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 03:19 PM

Dems got what they wanted.
No they didn't.

#200 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Are you sure? Look above.

#204 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-22 03:20 PM

except they have more on their side to blame Republicans.

And this will do what exactly?

How much more would be needed for Trumpublicans to take their blinders off?

And what prevents conservatives spin artists from (once again) assigning blame to democrats?

#205 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-22 03:23 PM

Dems folded. They're getting paid again.

Our Troops would have been paid anyway, had McConnell agreed to bring up McCaskill's bill that authorized them to be paid during the shutdown. The same bill that was approved in 2013 during that shut down.

But the GOP wanted the Troops to suffer so they could blame the Democrats.

GOP scum.

#206 | Posted by YAV at 2018-01-22 03:32 PM

I think the Dems should call the GOP bluff and let them vote against the Dreamers if the want to. The Republicans attempting to mass deport the Dreamers will be quite the spectacle no one will ever forget.

#207 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 03:36 PM

I think Schumer got tired of playing Charlie Brown to Trump's "let me pull the football away" Lucy.

#208 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 03:38 PM

It doesn't matter. We have to go forward together.

#209 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-22 04:18 PM

"Dems lost on this one." - #197 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 03:07 PM

Some facts:

✘ A Republican ended President Obama's DACA Executive Order.

Republicans put off funding CHIP for 4 months.

✘ A Republican rejected a bi-partisan deal to restore DACA.

Republicans put CHIP in the CR to try to force it to pass without DACA.

And who is in the position of power, the position from which best to negotiate and compromise in order to get a deal?
Republicans have the majority in the US House.

Republicans have the majority in the US Senate.

✘ A Republican, supposed author of The Art of the Deal sat in the Oval Office and did nothing.

Given all of those facts, it is hard to see how the Democrats lost.

#210 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-22 04:32 PM

When I say they lost it's from the standpoint that they didn't really get anything out of the shutdown other than some bad publicity.

#211 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-22 04:38 PM

When I say they lost it's from the standpoint that they didn't really get anything out of the shutdown other than some bad publicity.

#211 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-22 04:38 PM | REPLY |

Well only if you count russian twitter bots as publicity

qz.com

#212 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-22 05:13 PM

except they have more on their side to blame Republicans.
#203 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Of which, especially voters, nobody cares. Fruitless endeavor.

#213 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 09:18 PM

We have to go forward together.
#209 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

Tell that to the GOP. Congress is supposed to negotiate even when one party has complete power. This is what the people want; this is what the GOP refuse.

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