Tuesday, January 16, 2018

DNC overhaul struggles as Sanders-Clinton rivalries persist

One year into Tom Perez's project to save the Democratic National Committee from complete collapse, officials are beginning to dig out of the hole left by Debbie Wasserman Schultz's mismanagement, Barack Obama's indifference, Russian hacking and the bitter rivalry between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders capped by accusations of election rigging.

But going into a midterm election that should be the Democrats' to lose, the DNC is still struggling to bring its factions together and assert itself. Throw into the mix powerful super PACs, the much-better-funded party committees focused on Congress and governors, and more independent voters than ever, and many wonder whether the DNC has a place at all anymore.

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"I knew it was a turnaround job when I ran, but I undeniably underestimated the depth of the turnaround job. We had to rebuild almost every facet of the organization, and equally importantly, we had to rebuild trust," Perez said in a recent interview at party headquarters. "Not just people who had invested in the DNC, but others -- they just felt the party had let them down."

It's hard to overstate the scale of his task. The DNC has become every frustrated Democrat's favorite piñata, and a symbol of everything that went wrong in 2016. Sanders-Clinton hostilities have taken on a new form: The tension now is over whether Sanders should hand over his massive voter list to the committee, as Perez has asked, and whether the committee has gone far enough to overhaul internal rules that Sanders forces are convinced rigged the nomination for Clinton. Neither side is satisfied, and words like "crazy," "still doesn't get it" and, in one case, "Judas" are tossed around to describe people in the opposite camp.

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We have a great opportunity to take the House (and maybe the Senate) thanks to Cheetolini and these clowns can't get their act together.

If the DNC infighting blows the opportunity to take our country back when it is being handed to us by an incompetent clown, then we deserve to be beaten by the Orange Buffoon.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2018-01-16 08:20 PM

I'm starting to think this won't go away by November...

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-17 12:30 AM

I'm not sure the DNC's dysfunction will have much of an impact, it may cost a seat or two in the House but midterms always go against POTUS' party so I think that the DNC will have plenty of time to pull things together before the primaries start for the 2020 elections.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-17 12:51 AM

I'm beginning to think I should run for POTUS.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-01-17 08:34 AM

The inability of all parties involved to leave 2016 in the past is frustrating. It is time to move on. Time to promote new faces and younger, more progressive voices. DNC dysfunction resulted in a Trump presidency. Let's move on already.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-17 01:04 PM

- DNC dysfunction resulted in a Trump presidency.

People like yourself not voting for Clinton caused a Trump presidency.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-17 04:27 PM

Pro Tip: Everyone who voted for anyone other than the "Chosen One" in enough States to give Trump the EC victory caused a Trump presidency.
That, and Hillary sucked as a candidate.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-17 09:09 PM

DNC dysfunction resulted in a Trump presidency.

Neither the DNC nor RNC has ever caused an election to be won or lost in the modern era. They don't have the power. Their perpetual fund-raising woes prove this -- a national party with power would never lack willing donors.

Today's DNC would be stronger if Bernie supporters supported it. They should, because Bernie does. But a lot of Berniecrats think it's more fun to be outside the tent lobbing bombs than to be inside building something for the future.

It probably is more fun too. If you're a Democrat or left-leaning independent, you should put your support behind the DNC if you want a Democratic Congress in 2018 and a strong candidate to defeat Trump in 2020.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 09:11 PM

#6 modern is in CA.

He could have written you in and Hillary would have still comfortably won the state.

Take your high horse and shove it.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-17 09:21 PM

Corky's comment was about people "like" Moder8. If you assume that Moder8 is representative of a slice of the Democratic electorate in 2016, then across the nation people like him did help Trump win by not voting for Hillary.

Obviously their power to be a deciding factor depended on where they lived. But has Moder8 ever said he would've voted for Hillary in a swing state? I can't recall.

There's another group who directly contributed to Trump's win -- around 10% of Bernie voters chose Trump in November (by some estimates). Hillary would have won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania if these voters chose her instead.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 09:27 PM

#10

JPW'd is still upset that calling someone who supports progressive Dems a "partisan hack" is so silly considering that one party has had better policies and better candidates at the national level than the only other competitive party for at least the last half century.

His self-serving assumption that "like" Moder8 meant only people in blue states is likewise transparent.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-17 09:40 PM

Link on the Bernie voters for Trump?

And there's only a handful of states in any election that really matter. All this brow beating by the lines of Corky is precisely why the division still exists.

Obama was as much about change and someone not status quo as Trump was/is. Hillary supporters who are bitter that their epitome of establishment candidate want to blame anyone but themselves or their candidate, even if it means self-righteously whining about how others have Trump the WH.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-17 09:42 PM

With all the time Democrats spend beating up other Democrats, we're going to be tough mofos by the time November rolls around.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 09:44 PM

#11 more like tired of reading your tired garbage pile of 💩 posts that you act like are 🌹s.

Your unoriginal, pompous and rarely contribute anything that's your own actual words or ideas.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-17 09:48 PM

I'm no different than anybody else who held their nose and voted for Hillary.

But......

RUN A BETTER CANDIDATE AND A MORE STRATEGIC CAMPAIGN.

I'm happy to vote for whom ever the dems put up but I'd lie them to win.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-17 10:00 PM

Like....not lie.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-17 10:00 PM

"Partisan hack"

Man....that really cuts him to the bone.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-17 10:01 PM

RUN A BETTER CANDIDATE AND A MORE STRATEGIC CAMPAIGN.

I want the Democrats to run somebody a generation younger than Trump who can bring some fresh ideas to the campaign instead of yet another cycle of baby boomers.

If Bernie Sanders had been in his 50s I think he would've beaten Hillary.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 10:14 PM

Bernie had zero chance. Let's be honest here. If DWS took him down with an email then he just wasn't going to beat anyone.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-17 10:31 PM

"If Bernie Sanders had been in his 50s I think he would've beaten Hillary."

I agree

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-17 10:37 PM

"If Bernie Sanders had been in his 50s I think he would've beaten Hillary."

Even if they were both in their 50s?

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-17 11:02 PM

Even if they were both in their 50s?

Hillary at 50 hadn't been a U.S. Senator or Secretary of State yet.

Hillary at 60-ish ran against a younger Senator with fresh ideas and lost.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 11:36 PM

10% of Bernie voters chose Trump in November (by some estimates). Hillary would have won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania if these voters chose her instead.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-17 09:27 PM |

do you Remember PUUMA

hillary clinton supporters who refused to back Obama?

"members of People United Means Action (also known as PUMA, originally standing for "Party Unity My Ass," and also known as "Just Stay No Deal") and those sympathetic to it. After Clinton's June 8 concession, 40% of Clinton supporters described themselves as dissatisfied and 7% described themselves as angry; 25% said they would support McCain in November"

from wiki

in the end McCain got about 10 percent of the hillary supporters

#23 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-01-18 02:33 AM

"That, and Hillary sucked as a candidate."

And got 3 million more votes than Trump.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-18 10:29 AM

I think if the democrats where upfront and truthful on what their intentions are for this country they would never win another election. Face it people do not want to pay for the massive refugee influx the Dems want and that's just one issue. America does not want to be a socialist country no matter how you want to spin it. With that said can the government do a better job on healthcare I would say yes but not by single payer. I think if all the insurance companies could compete in all the states we would have cheap coverage Obamacare is a joke and needs to be replaced.

#25 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 12:05 PM

"That, and Hillary sucked as a candidate."
And got 3 million more votes than Trump.

#24 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-01-18 10:29 AM | FLAG:

When you count county by county she got rocked face it New York and California is what gave her the lead and it would be a travesty if we ever let the popular vote elect a president.

#26 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 12:08 PM

"When you count county by county..." - #26 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 12:08 PM

Regardless of how you count, town by town, city by city, county by county, or state by state, no matter how you look at it, Hillary Clinton still received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump.

And 10,000,000 more voters voted against Trump than voted for him.

"...New York and California..."

There's not a single county in the entire nation where Hillary Clinton didn't receive votes. And Hillary Clinton still received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-18 12:12 PM

"America does not want to be a socialist country no matter how you want to spin it." - #25 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 12:05 PM

Sure it does.

Americans love their socialistic benefits, from police and fire protection, through roads and highways, all the way to their Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare.

#28 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-18 12:15 PM

#14

And.... still no argument to what was said. What an original contribution, lmao.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-18 12:36 PM

Say something worthy of arguing and that's what you'll get.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-18 02:56 PM

- JPW'd is still upset that calling someone who supports progressive Dems a "partisan hack" is so silly considering that one party has had better policies and better candidates at the national level than the only other competitive party for at least the last half century.

IS what I said, and the same as I said the other day. Your response is still, "Nuh-uh!".

Supposed Indies get all bent out of shape when it's pointed out to them that the partys are not only not the same, but that one has been perennially better than the other nationally in policy that is better for the country.

That being the case, calling someone who supports the better party a party hack is, at best, amusing.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-18 03:06 PM

When you count county by county..." - #26 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 12:08 PM
Regardless of how you count, town by town, city by city, county by county, or state by state, no matter how you look at it, Hillary Clinton still received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump.
And 10,000,000 more voters voted against Trump than voted for him.
"...New York and California..."
There's not a single county in the entire nation where Hillary Clinton didn't receive votes. And Hillary Clinton still received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump.

#27 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-18 12:12 PM | FLAG:

That 10,000,000 number I guess would mean 7,000,000 also voted against Hillary so its not a real smart number to pull out of your butt

#32 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 03:13 PM

When you look at a map of the voting its 80% red

#33 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-18 03:13 PM

At this point the only people still mentioning HRC and her defeat in 2016 are people who in their heart of hearts don't care that Trump won. True Democrats have left 2016 in the past. True Democrats are willing to let bygones be bygones and move on.

#34 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-18 03:26 PM

Are the burnout's still bitter that their free pony candidate faired so badly?

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-18 05:45 PM

#34. Flag on the play. No True Scotsman Fallacy. 10 yard penalty, repeat third down.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-18 10:21 PM

"When you look at a map of the voting its 80% red."

Like your head, America is 80% empty.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-19 12:17 AM

#33 actually it's various shades of purple.

The red vs blue is a vastly oversimplified representation of reality.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-19 12:28 AM

#38 JPW

I cannot state how many times I've made that argument.

I'm not sure if you realize that your argument lays waste to a very popular left wing talking point.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-19 12:52 AM

If I tune in at 11, do I get to hear which very popular left wing talking point it lays waste to?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-19 02:04 AM

#39 i don't care if some talking point bites the dust. Reality is reality.

Which talking point are you referring to, specifically?

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-19 02:08 AM

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