Authorities in northern China have demolished a Christian megachurch in a move denounced by a religious rights group as "Taliban-style persecution". The huge evangelical Jindengtai ("Golden Lampstand") Church, painted grey and surmounted by turrets and a large red cross, was located in northern China's Linfen, Shanxi province. Several members of the Christian group were then jailed, according to the official. A "multitude of military police were mobilised and engaged (in) the destruction by burying a large amount of explosives under the church", Bob Fu, president of the U.S.-based religious rights group ChinaAid Association, said on Saturday.
"It is like Taliban/ISIS style of persecution against a peaceful church," he said, adding that it had around 50,000 members. The house of worship was "primarily destroyed because it refused to register" with the Communist authorities, Fu said.
China has 5.7 million Catholics and 23 million Protestants, according to official statistics from 2014. But the figures exclude a similar number of Catholics who adhere to the unofficial "underground" church loyal to the Vatican and tens of millions of members of unrecognised churches, mainly Protestant.
Why is it whenever atheism becomes the state religion it becomes crueler than the religion it replaces?
Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of it. China is a State without interest in harnessing religion to control the masses. Why is it that vanquished religions forget the cruelty and persecution which was the culture and evangelism of their crusades?
I am a so called athiest. But still there has to be a reason for existence. There has to be a reason for a physical universe instead of pure nothingness. I don't know and neither does anyone else and we are animals like the rest and we weren't chosen. But I'm glad to be here and have experienced love.
All they would have had to do to avoid the building being destroyed was to register with the government, which they knew and refused to do on religious principle; refusing to give the government any control over the church.
But the church is not the building, it's the people, who retain their beliefs if not their meeting place.
Our church won't even give receipts to people who want to claim tax deductions, not that they actually need one, because actual biblical giving is worship (showing worth) in secret, and all the members know that so they don't even ask. We also tell them to take a hike if they want to see the books. Members can, the government can't.
"I knew I'm agnostic but it sounds so wishywashy." - #8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-01-14 08:59 PM
Not to evangelicals, conservatives or, apparently, the Republican "base."
But I repeat myself.
Considering how little most of them have to do with Christianity, I wouldn't mind their non-existence at all. I just wouldn't want the government, or anyone else, to do it by force.
I hope more republiclowns read this article so they know what a real war on Chiristmas looks like and stop being such petty -------- about "Happy Holidays" as a preferred greeting.
Bruce you stated you believed there had to be a reason for this existence. Well you won't find the answer to that question in any religious book. Neither by looking to any imaginary Deity.
#14: So, if you are incapable of intellectually wrapping your head around something, it doesn't exist?
So, if you are incapable of intellectually wrapping your head around something, it doesn't exist?
If you think you can truly wrap your mind God you're deluding yourself.
Besides, isn't belief supposed to be centered on faith and, as such, an admission that one can't wrap their minds around it nor definitively state existence of God from a "proof" perspective?
"render unto Caesar"
... "that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's"... is the quote. And it was a radical proposition at the time in Roman territory where everything and everyone belonged to Caesar; that there were some things and some people who did not belong to Caesar.
It has been used by ignorant excuses for Christians to mean, "pay your taxes like a good little minion", but that is way out of context and it meant no such thing.
It was one of the popular statements of Jesus presented as evidence at his trial that he was a threat to Caesar and therefore a threat to Rome.
#18 | POSTED BY CORKY
i just want to be on record as ok with the chinese blowing up churches. hopefully it'll become a trend
Call it what you wish but the blind obedience seen in state atheism clearly and closely resembles the worst religion has to offer the only distinguishing difference being the overt increase in cruelty.
"Why is it whenever atheism becomes the state religion it becomes crueler than the religion it replaces?" - DOCNJO
"Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of it. China is a State without interest in harnessing religion to control the masses." - AUSTINTX
"I am a so called atheist. But still there has to be a reason for existence. There has to be a reason for a physical universe instead of pure nothingness." - BRUCEAZ
That was 3 great statements.
Historically, DOCNJO is correct, in the 20th century atheistic nationalism has killed more people than any other belief system.
I would tell AUSTINX, Religion is not about belief in a "higher power", it's about blind faith, even if the dispenser of the "faith" is government or government enforced atheism
BRUCEEAZ - I went through my spiritual crisis and I am peace with myself. Once I completed that journey about 10 years ago, I rarely get stressed out. It's difficult to explain.
"Historically, DOCNJO is correct, in the 20th century atheistic nationalism has killed more people than any other belief system."
Make up your mind.
"Historically", and "in the 20th century" are two different barometers.
#5 there doesn't have to be a reason at all. But "---- happens" isn't a particularly uplifting life message so we dream up all sorts of crap to flesh it out.
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