Sunday, January 14, 2018

China Demolishes Christian Megachurch

Authorities in northern China have demolished a Christian megachurch in a move denounced by a religious rights group as "Taliban-style persecution". The huge evangelical Jindengtai ("Golden Lampstand") Church, painted grey and surmounted by turrets and a large red cross, was located in northern China's Linfen, Shanxi province. Several members of the Christian group were then jailed, according to the official. A "multitude of military police were mobilised and engaged (in) the destruction by burying a large amount of explosives under the church", Bob Fu, president of the U.S.-based religious rights group ChinaAid Association, said on Saturday.

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"It is like Taliban/ISIS style of persecution against a peaceful church," he said, adding that it had around 50,000 members. The house of worship was "primarily destroyed because it refused to register" with the Communist authorities, Fu said.

China has 5.7 million Catholics and 23 million Protestants, according to official statistics from 2014. But the figures exclude a similar number of Catholics who adhere to the unofficial "underground" church loyal to the Vatican and tens of millions of members of unrecognised churches, mainly Protestant.

Comments

So the struggle continues. So for every authoritarian government that has persecuted Christians has fallen within a century. Some liberation Mao has given the Chinese, as in all other communist governments, you are free to do as you are told.

#1 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-14 11:09 AM

As long as America continues to get its steady stream of cheap stuff from China, nobody here cares.

#2 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-01-14 03:43 PM

Why is it whenever atheism becomes the state religion it becomes crueler than the religion it replaces?

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-14 06:02 PM

Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of it. China is a State without interest in harnessing religion to control the masses. Why is it that vanquished religions forget the cruelty and persecution which was the culture and evangelism of their crusades?

#4 | Posted by AustinTX at 2018-01-14 08:04 PM

I am a so called athiest. But still there has to be a reason for existence. There has to be a reason for a physical universe instead of pure nothingness. I don't know and neither does anyone else and we are animals like the rest and we weren't chosen. But I'm glad to be here and have experienced love.

#5 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-01-14 08:40 PM

All they would have had to do to avoid the building being destroyed was to register with the government, which they knew and refused to do on religious principle; refusing to give the government any control over the church.

But the church is not the building, it's the people, who retain their beliefs if not their meeting place.

Our church won't even give receipts to people who want to claim tax deductions, not that they actually need one, because actual biblical giving is worship (showing worth) in secret, and all the members know that so they don't even ask. We also tell them to take a hike if they want to see the books. Members can, the government can't.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-14 08:40 PM

#5

Congrats Bruce, you are an agnostic and don't even know it.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-14 08:56 PM

I knew I'm agnostic but it sounds so wishywashy.lol

#8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-01-14 08:59 PM

"I knew I'm agnostic but it sounds so wishywashy." - #8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-01-14 08:59 PM

Not to evangelicals, conservatives or, apparently, the Republican "base."

But I repeat myself.

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-14 09:10 PM

I can think of several of those they would be welcome to destroy over here.

#10 | Posted by morris at 2018-01-14 09:23 PM

#10

Considering how little most of them have to do with Christianity, I wouldn't mind their non-existence at all. I just wouldn't want the government, or anyone else, to do it by force.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-14 11:27 PM

I hope more republiclowns read this article so they know what a real war on Chiristmas looks like and stop being such petty -------- about "Happy Holidays" as a preferred greeting.

#12 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-01-15 07:29 AM

To Incorporate and build a mega-church is not Christ-like.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-15 08:23 AM

Bruce you stated you believed there had to be a reason for this existence. Well you won't find the answer to that question in any religious book. Neither by looking to any imaginary Deity.

#14 | Posted by rosemountbomber at 2018-01-15 09:55 AM

#14: So, if you are incapable of intellectually wrapping your head around something, it doesn't exist?

#15 | Posted by Daniel at 2018-01-15 10:07 AM

So, if you are incapable of intellectually wrapping your head around something, it doesn't exist?

If you think you can truly wrap your mind God you're deluding yourself.

Besides, isn't belief supposed to be centered on faith and, as such, an admission that one can't wrap their minds around it nor definitively state existence of God from a "proof" perspective?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-15 12:07 PM

i thought the sky pilots taught "render unto Caesar"

#17 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-01-15 12:34 PM

"render unto Caesar"

... "that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's"... is the quote. And it was a radical proposition at the time in Roman territory where everything and everyone belonged to Caesar; that there were some things and some people who did not belong to Caesar.

It has been used by ignorant excuses for Christians to mean, "pay your taxes like a good little minion", but that is way out of context and it meant no such thing.

It was one of the popular statements of Jesus presented as evidence at his trial that he was a threat to Caesar and therefore a threat to Rome.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-15 02:18 PM

#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

i just want to be on record as ok with the chinese blowing up churches. hopefully it'll become a trend

#19 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-01-16 10:32 AM

Be careful what you ask for....

www.ushmm.org

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-16 11:47 AM

Call it what you wish but the blind obedience seen in state atheism clearly and closely resembles the worst religion has to offer the only distinguishing difference being the overt increase in cruelty.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-16 01:35 PM

"Why is it whenever atheism becomes the state religion it becomes crueler than the religion it replaces?" - DOCNJO

"Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of it. China is a State without interest in harnessing religion to control the masses." - AUSTINTX

"I am a so called atheist. But still there has to be a reason for existence. There has to be a reason for a physical universe instead of pure nothingness." - BRUCEAZ

That was 3 great statements.

Historically, DOCNJO is correct, in the 20th century atheistic nationalism has killed more people than any other belief system.

I would tell AUSTINX, Religion is not about belief in a "higher power", it's about blind faith, even if the dispenser of the "faith" is government or government enforced atheism

BRUCEEAZ - I went through my spiritual crisis and I am peace with myself. Once I completed that journey about 10 years ago, I rarely get stressed out. It's difficult to explain.

#22 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-16 04:55 PM

"Historically, DOCNJO is correct, in the 20th century atheistic nationalism has killed more people than any other belief system."

Make up your mind.

"Historically", and "in the 20th century" are two different barometers.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-16 05:11 PM

#5 there doesn't have to be a reason at all. But "---- happens" isn't a particularly uplifting life message so we dream up all sorts of crap to flesh it out.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-16 06:30 PM

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