Friday, December 29, 2017

Illinois to Ban 'Gay Panic' Defense

On Monday, Illinois will become the second state to ban the so-called "gay panic defense" in cases in which a murder defendant tries to justify their violence as a reaction to learning that their victim was gay. California banned the defense tactic in 2014, a year after the American Bar Association called for its prohibition.

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As The Associated Press reports, there is no single standard for the circumstances leading to the defense:

"There are variations, but it generally goes like this: A person doesn't realize someone is gay or transgender and engages in a flirtation, then discovers that person's sexual orientation and that discovery triggers a passionate involuntary response such as murder."

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"But, yer honor, I found out he was gay, so I had to kill him. Surely that is self defense, I was frightened for my life right?"

Yes, Officer Krupke, Not guilty.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-29 11:45 AM

Is the Trumpster Panic defense still available?

Many times I have been conversing peacefully with someone when suddenly it dawns on me the person before me is an actual Trumpster!

You can imagine my panic when out of the blue they say something crazy like well Nazi's have the right to carry tiki torches and threaten Jews or "both sides were to blame" that makes you realize they are not in touch with reality. Or when they start claiming that since Mexico has a wall stretching along their entire southern border shouldn't America build one on ours?

At that point you realize they probably have gun and your life could be in danger from this maniac! What if I can't get away? What if they start saying the ACA was fine until Obamacare? Or billionaires need a tax break and relax the Trickle Down is coming! What if they blame all our problems on the stupid libs?

I am afraid of what I might do!

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-29 12:09 PM

Does this mean that it is legal in some states to kill gay people?!

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-29 01:01 PM

Gaining sex through deception is also known as rape.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-29 02:41 PM

Illinois to Ban 'Gay Panic' Defense

Good

two states down, 48 to go

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 04:37 PM

Gaining sex through deception is also known as rape.

#4 | Posted by Tor

Link?

We might have to get one of our lawyer's opinion on this one but I thought it is only rape if you impersonated a woman's husband or did not get proper consent.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-29 05:28 PM

Looks like I wasn't entirely right donner.

www.vice.com

But it does seem to fall under the category of pretending to be someone you are not in order to get sex.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-29 06:28 PM

I know it is a grey area.

Many women "pretend" to be something they are not every day (specifically Friday and Saturday nights)just to snag a man. They shave themselves, paint their faces and doll themselves up with fancy clothes and even get ---- jobs, face lifts and tummy tucks to look completely different than who they really are.

Men do too.

If I say I am wealthy beyond imagination and I have yacht (rented) and I trick a woman into bed with me is that really a crime? Or am I just being really clever?

Seems to me turn about is fair play.

caveat emptor

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-29 06:47 PM

Most men (and women) accept the reality that some what you see in the bar isn't going to be real.

But some things are a given like neither partner is hiding a giant tumor or an angry spouse at home.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-29 06:56 PM

Or Caveat Fornicatur.

#10 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-12-29 08:45 PM

#9 > I remember someone posted a news article about a year ago here on the DR where some guy was impersonating as a pornographer complete with studio and was hiring women to be in his "----- movies". This guy was partaking as an actor having sex with these women while filming. He wasn't paying the women and they sued for wages not paid. They found out later he was not a pornographer, but just a very clever schmuck with a camera. They could only sue for fraud.

#11 | Posted by shane at 2017-12-30 12:00 PM

And I'm sure half of the guys on the DR after reading that we're musing over the idea, "Wow, now why didn't I ever think of that." lol

#12 | Posted by shane at 2017-12-30 12:09 PM

Isn't there some evidence that humans have something frightening like a built in kill mode if they realize there is something terribly wrong with their partner mid coitus?

I recall having read about this but nothing more about it.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 03:52 PM

I read a news story many years ago about a police officer who was dating a girl and one night after several weeks of dating They were making out hot & heavy, I guess, and he suddenly discovered she was actually a male transvestite. He was so flipped out by it that he pulled out his service revolver and killed the transvestite. The jury aquitted him on temporary insanity.

#14 | Posted by shane at 2017-12-30 07:32 PM

The jury aquitted him on temporary insanity.

It's 'Murrica. As long as you use a gun, you can get away with killing almost anyone.

"I was afraid". "It was an accident". All you really need.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-12-30 07:49 PM

Would it really be so surprising to learn that having sex on the brain makes us more likely to be violent?

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 08:02 PM

Uh, yeah, it would.

When was the last time you threw a sucker punch just because you were so aroused?

I guess you explain rape this way...

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-30 08:11 PM

Think of it from a biological perspective.

A female early human is mating and notices for the first time that the male has visible signs of disease.

It would be evolutionary advantageous for her to end the coupling as quick as possible.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 08:23 PM

Not to excuse rape, but I've heard of stag mule deer,while in rut ,attacking hunters. When out of rut, which is most of the year, they're very evasive and mostly out of sight.

Those hormones can make you crazy sometimes.:)

#19 | Posted by shane at 2017-12-30 08:37 PM

Especially when hunters cover their scent with deer piss.

#20 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-12-30 08:48 PM

"It would be evolutionary advantageous for her to end the coupling as quick as possible."

Before getting pregnant?
Not feeling it.

After getting pregnant?
What's it matter?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-30 08:50 PM

STD's don't require a pregnancy.

granted giving birth to an offspring that will never to maturity could tax resources to a terminal degree.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 08:52 PM

(edited)

STD's don't require a pregnancy.

Granted giving birth to an offspring that will never LIVE to maturity could tax resources to a terminal degree for the mother and any others in the area.

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 08:55 PM

Offspring living to maturity as the default expectation is kind of a new concept though. There's too many other factors in play.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-30 09:41 PM

An overtly disabled child probability of living to reproductive age in an era of nothing but hunter gatherers is negligible.

In fact clear into the 1700's there were socially acceptable ways to end the lives of such offspring.

I presume this was for the most part only done in situations where there was no viable alternative.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-30 10:15 PM

Classic organic chemistry question:

How do you make a hormone?

Don't pay her.

#26 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-12-31 12:32 AM

"In fact clear into the 1700's there were socially acceptable ways to end the lives of such offspring."

Or you could just send them out to where you know the press gang is going to be operating. Like, at your house late at night, for a few shekels.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-31 12:35 AM

LOL even a press gang wouldn't take on someone who would cost them more than they would produce financially.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-31 12:41 AM

getyarn.io

#29 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-12-31 01:01 AM

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