Thursday, December 21, 2017

Trump Approves Arms Sales to Ukraine

The Trump administration has approved the first ever U.S. commercial sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, in a clear break from the de facto U.S. ban on arms sales that dates back to the Obama administration. The move was heavily supported by top Trump national security Cabinet officials and Congress but may complicate President Trump's stated ambition to work with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Administration officials confirmed that the State Department this month approved a commercial license authorizing the export of Model M107A1 Sniper Systems, ammunition, and associated parts and accessories to Ukraine, a sale valued at $41.5 million.

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These weapons address a specific vulnerability of Ukrainian forces fighting a Russian-backed separatist movement in two eastern provinces. There has been no approval to export the heavier weapons the Ukrainian government is asking for, such as Javelin antitank missiles.Congress authorized such sales in 2014 in the Ukraine Freedom Support Act but the Obama administration never made a decision to follow through, a move widely seen as de facto decision not to provide lethal weapons to the Ukraine military.

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Surprising but meaningless. All it will do is escalate the violence because Putin is determined to have the parts of Ukraine he wants and the only real question is how many Russians and Ukrainians have to die before he gets what he wants and he doesn't really have the humanity to give a crap. That our President has been coopted by Putin is very frightening.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 08:26 AM

That's some pretty twisted logic Danni. If Trump has been coopted by Putin, wouldn't he block any arms sales to Ukraine? Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?

#2 | Posted by maxis_mydog at 2017-12-21 10:15 AM

Make Arms sales Great Again!

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-21 10:21 AM

"Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?"

To make $41.5 million for his donors and to throw Bob Corker a bone for supporting that tax heist.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2017-12-21 10:27 AM

If Trump has been coopted by Putin, wouldn't he block any arms sales to Ukraine? Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?

#2 | Posted by maxis_mydog at 2017-12-21 10:

Donald Trump is corrupt. Anything he does is self-serving. It's too late to cut the man a break. Stupid, in fact.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2017-12-21 10:32 AM

"That's some pretty twisted logic Danni. If Trump has been coopted by Putin, wouldn't he block any arms sales to Ukraine? Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?"

Good question but I'm quite sure Putin authorized this. Probably he wants a more deadly confrontation to justify a bigger Russian presence to "defend" the Russian speaking population. I've said here for a very long time that selling or even giving arms to Ukraine will only provoke the bear and justify their violent war in Ukraine. My son is married to a Ukrainian Russian speaking woman and she still has a son in Ukraine. They hate Putin to a degree Americans can't really even imagine. They had vacationed in Crimea only several months prior to the Russian invasion of that part of Ukraine. Whatever Trump is doing in relation to Ukraine is done with the agreement of Putin whose motives are often quite veiled.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 11:05 AM

That's some pretty twisted logic Danni. If Trump has been coopted by Putin, wouldn't he block any arms sales to Ukraine? Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?

#2 | POSTED BY MAXIS_MYDOG

Putin already got what he wanted from the Ukraine. Danni is wrong. It won't have any real effect other than possible meaningless skirmishes.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-21 11:43 AM

tax heist.

#4 | POSTED BY QCP

LOL

The government letting you keep a bit more of your own money is "a tax heist."

Silly Democrats.

#8 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-12-21 12:12 PM

"Putin already got what he wanted from the Ukraine. Danni is wrong."

Then why is there still a war going on in the eastern provinces of Ukraine?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 12:12 PM

Putin wants all of the easternmost provinces so that he has a land bridge from Crimea to Russia.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 12:13 PM

"The government letting you keep a bit more of your own money is "a tax heist."

But that's not at all what's happening. We're not talking about a surplus, we're talking about 100% deficit financing.

We're borrowing AN EXTRA $2 Trillion, and giving about $1.6 Trillion of it to the wealthiest 1%.

It's a tax heist if you're the one who'll be stuck with the bill, and if you aren't in the top 1%, you're one of the ones who'll be stuck with the bill.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 12:16 PM

Haha. It's hilarious to hear the "birthers", I mean "Russianers" go on and on about how Trump somehow has ties to Putin. The hypocrisy is literally palpable. The only real way to respond is to say, "Take all the statements ever made in defense of the Obama birther issue and apply it to Trump's ties with Russia". There, now you have every rebuttal you can use that are extremely relevant and originated by Democrats. Arguing against them means you are arguing your own side (which Liberals still won't be able to compute so will do it anyways).

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2017-12-21 12:31 PM

Calling it a tax heist and using the rich as evidentiary shows how bad some people are at critically thinking and using logic. From that $2 trillion, we all get breaks. The rich get more because of how math works. Yet, the proportion of how much of that $2 trillion will be returned by the wealthy is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar higher than what will be returned as a result of middle and low income taxes combined. We all know the rich are already >70% of our national tax income and will continue to be even after the new laws take effect. So, if you actually think logically about it, the result is that the middle and low income classes are the reason this could be called a heist because they won't be paying but a small fraction the rich will be in return. Look, there are some advantages in the laws to the rich. But people really should spend more time on those facts and less time on crap that just sounds good because you aren't rich and you are jealous.

#13 | Posted by humtake at 2017-12-21 12:40 PM

"The rich get more because of how math works."

Nonsense. If that were the case, we'd all be getting the same % reduction. Instead, the folks at the top get a 5.2% reduction, and you're getting less than half that percentage. The folks at the bottom get 0.6%.

"We all know the rich are already >70% of our national tax income"

Only if you get to pretend income taxes are the only national tax income. Of course, you lost that talking point the day Dubya pointed to MY payroll tax overcollections to justify YOUR income tax reduction.

"Look, there are some advantages in the laws to the rich."

No -----, Sherlock. They get about 65% of the benefits until this bill comes to full fruition, they they get over 82%. By contrast, the Bush tax cuts saw 27% go to the top 1%.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 12:52 PM

"It's hilarious to hear the "birthers", I mean "Russianers" go on and on about how Trump somehow has ties to Putin."

Even funnier is how quickly the -------- went from "No Russia", to "Russia, but no collusion", to "Not collusion if we tried and failed", to "That Republican Special Counsel is a meanie".

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-21 12:57 PM

Surprising but meaningless. All it will do is escalate the violence because Putin is determined to have the parts of Ukraine he wants and the only real question is how many Russians and Ukrainians have to die before he gets what he wants and he doesn't really have the humanity to give a crap. That our President has been coopted by Putin is very frightening.

Are you retorting yourself?

#16 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2017-12-21 12:59 PM

#2 | Posted by maxis_mydog

While the Barrett M107A1 is a marvelous weapon in my book it is only a .50 sniper rifle... They aren't getting the things they REALLY want like the Javelin anti-tank missiles so far... So I don't think this is much of a win for Ukraine in the war. It will not change the tides or drive back the Russians. It is about the publicity and throwing a bone to Barrett for political value and that is why this sale was made.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-21 01:03 PM

#13 | Posted by humtake

Man that's some tasty Kool Aid you keep drinking there. You have several observations that are either completely wrong or deliberately misleading.

Sure the base tax rate was cut for all. But it was not cut proportionally - I mean corporations had theirs cut 40%. The rich aren't seeing bigger savings just because they have higher income they are seeing them because their tax rate was cut more as well.

Then there is the fact that despite cutting tax rates they have eliminated many credits that middle class families depend on. And by eliminating or reducing those credits they are in effect resulting in a net tax increase on the Middle Class. Things like reducing child credits and eliminating them when your kid turns 16.

The only changes I am aware of that hits the wealthier Americans at all is the State Income Tax credit cap and mortgage interest rate deductions.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-12-21 01:31 PM

It will not change the tides or drive back the Russians.

#17 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2017-12-21 01:03 PM | REPLY

There is one interesting thing about it. The .50 will punch holes in Russian spec ops armor. They have really modern, very expensive armor that will hold up to allegedly even magnum rifle rounds.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-21 02:57 PM

"That's some pretty twisted logic Danni. If Trump has been coopted by Putin, wouldn't he block any arms sales to Ukraine? Why would he be selling arms to Putin's enemies?"

Go back and read some of Dan's earlier posts...

Had this pres had a (D) after his name, she'd be praising him as the next FDR.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-21 10:32 PM

There is one interesting thing about it. The .50 will punch holes in Russian spec ops armor. They have really modern, very expensive armor that will hold up to allegedly even magnum rifle rounds.

#19 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2017-12-21 02:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Russian super armor? Say it ain't so, Tony!

en.m.wikipedia.org

Isn't that monster sniper rifle illegal to use on human beings anyway?

#21 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-21 10:45 PM

No different morally than Russia selling arms to Mexico or Canada. But, Warsaw pact nations hate and fear their former Russian military rule and welcome US weapons and support.

We don't need a confrontation with Russia. South Korea doesn't need a confrontation with North Korea. There is noting we can do militarily against China. These dangerous problems need to be resolved diplomatically, an impossibility as Trump and Tillerson dismantle the State Department, which has always been a tiny fraction in size compared to our military.

One world ruled by Bankers with a single currency is not a reasonable model for humans to find meaning in their lives. It is a model for turning all workers into compliant disposable cogs in a wheel. That is where the super-rich are trying to move the planet. But, every nation is entitled to sovereignty, which is difficult at best and impossible without a national currency.

#22 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-23 07:51 AM

Isn't that monster sniper rifle illegal to use on human beings anyway?

#21 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-12-21 10:45 PM | REPLY

Not super, just high quality. It's better than what we'll pay for.

illegal on humans? Yes. You don't shoot them. You "shoot their equipment".

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-12-23 08:49 AM

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