Tuesday, December 19, 2017

Sally Yates: Who Are We As a Country?

Sally Yates: "We the people of the United States" (we are a democratic republic, not a dictatorship) "in order to form a more perfect union" (we are a work in progress dedicated to a noble pursuit) "establish justice" (we revere justice as the cornerstone of our democracy) "insure domestic tranquility" (we prize unity and peace, not divisiveness and discord), "provide for the common defense" (we should never give any foreign adversary reason to question our solidarity) "promote the general welfare" (we care about one another; compassion and decency matter) "and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" (we have a responsibility to protect not just our own generation, but future ones as well). Our forefathers packed a lot into that single sentence.

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Our Bill of Rights is similarly succinct in guaranteeing individual liberties -- rights that we have come to take for granted but without vigilance can erode and slip away, such as freedom of speech (our right to protest and be heard); freedom of religion (the essential separation between how one worships and the power of the state); and freedom of the press (a democratic institution essential to informing the public and holding our leaders accountable).

The rule of law depends not only on things that are written down, but also on important traditions and norms, such as apolitical law enforcement. That's why Democratic and Republican administrations alike, at least since Watergate, have honored that the rule of law requires a strict separation between the Justice Department and the White House on criminal cases and investigations. This wall of separation is what ensures the public can have confidence that the criminal process is not being used as a sword to go after one's political enemies or as a shield to protect those in power. It's what separates us from an autocracy.

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John Cornyn needs to learn about our Constitution and our founding principles.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 12:19 PM

Who are we as a country? Gun toting, economically divided, racist, misogynistic, spoiled, average intelligence, hypocritical, greedy, violent --------. In my opinion.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 01:04 PM

More than half of us are decent people, and less half of us are sociopathic greedbags and the gullible bigots they manipulate.

And our system is set up to let the smaller group have more control than the larger one.

Next question.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 01:06 PM

You need Prozac, Moder8.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-19 01:06 PM

You can give some to speakstupid

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-19 01:07 PM

Sally Yates sounds like she's going to run for president.

But will minorities vote for someone who doesn't look like them?

And will she take bribe money from the same people who paid obama to let them off after they wrecked the economy, and brought down hillary with their slimy donations?

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 01:08 PM

Too late Eberly. I'm already on Prozac. Maybe I need to up the dose. Quite a bit.

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 01:08 PM

You can give some to speakstupid

#5 | Posted by eberly

When you learn how to have a debate you can start name calling.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 01:09 PM

Eberle, feeling threatened by the BOAZ vs. Sniper competition, throws his hat into the ring.

Vegas odds to be updated soon, no doubt.

#9 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-19 01:11 PM

Sorry OWS, but Boaz and Sniper take the stupidity to a FAR higher level than Eberly ever has. He is occasionally obnoxious, but usually not a blithering idiot. Boaz and Sniper are mind bogglingly stupid most of the time.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 01:16 PM

7

You really are a debbie downer today.

I sincerely hope things are okay.

Whiskeybreath!! How's it going?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-19 01:19 PM

Ah, we're actually two countries.

One is the United States.

The other is a cancer that we didn't fully remove in 1865 that has been festering, growing, and subtlety conquering the weak-willed and traitorous.

#12 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 01:20 PM

'Our Bill of Rights is similarly succinct in guaranteeing individual liberties -- rights that we have come to take for granted but without vigilance can erode and slip away'
Is that code for 'I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot with the 2nd amendment folks'?

#13 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-19 01:23 PM

"Is that code for 'I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot with the 2nd amendment folks'?"

No, more like a comment on the SC pretending that the 14th Amendment actually created corporate personhood or that the 1st Amendment was intended to protect money in politics.
Both of those ideas erode the real meaning of the Bill of Rights.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-19 01:29 PM

big surprise

a certified bag-o-dicks see nothing wrong here.

#15 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-12-19 01:48 PM

we are a democratic republic

That's the first mistake Yates makes, and the fundamental difference between the two communities coming of age in the United States.

We are no longer United and we probably wont ever get there, as no one on either side wants to live with the other. Problem with liberals is, they think only those who think like them are "the country". As long as you agree with them, then we are "united". A childish and stupid way of looking at things.

But you liberals continue on, calling everyone else that isnt like you stupid, ignorant, etc.

This will come to a boil and I dont think you will like it when it does. And you will share just as much responsibility as anyone else in letting get to this point.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 03:10 PM

Problem with liberals is, they think only those who think like them are "the country".
#16 | Posted by boaz

Yeah remember when that huge liberal sarah palin was going around talking about the REAL americans in red states?

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 03:28 PM

Problem with liberals is, they think only those who think like them are "the country".
#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That's ridiculous, there's only one side that constantly campaigns on representing the "Real America". If anyone is to blame for splitting us as a nation, it's the Cons who've worked for years to create divisions. They've been blatant about it in such documents as Newt Gingrich's Language: A Key Mechanism of Control
www.informationclearinghouse.info
www.businessinsider.com

#18 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-12-19 03:30 PM

Problem with liberals is, they think only those who think like them are "the country". As long as you agree with them, then we are "united". A childish and stupid way of looking at things.

But you liberals continue on, calling everyone else that isnt like you stupid, ignorant, etc.

This will come to a boil and I dont think you will like it when it does. And you will share just as much responsibility as anyone else in letting get to this point.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're the worst divider of them all here at the Retort. You're scared of different people. How many God damned times did you bellyho that no one wants to assimilate. That Multiculturalism is bad for America. You want people to act behave think just like you or they are scum. You're the problem. NOT the solution.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 03:42 PM

Here's a video that shows just how divisive us Libs are...
www.youtube.com

#20 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-12-19 04:05 PM

"But you liberals continue on, calling everyone else that isnt like you"

Wisconsin GOP candidate accuses Jew of ‘pretending' to be white so he can ‘undermine' the white race

and eberly and boazy wonder what the problem is.

#21 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-12-19 04:06 PM

#2 | Posted by moder8, "If you look for the bad in a person hard enough, you will always find it". Abraham Lincoln

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-12-19 04:08 PM

Oh, that sally yates

Sally Yates, you will recall, was fired by President Trump in January after, in her capacity as acting attorney general, she told the Department of Justice that its lawyers should not defend the immigration pause executive order in court. Simply refusing to follow the president's order, she did not explain how the immigration pause was unconstitutional. Now she is calling back to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the context of preserving "the rule of law" and keeping a "wall of separation" between the Justice Department and the White House on "criminal cases and investigations.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-12-19 04:26 PM

2 | Posted by moder8, "If you look for the bad in a person hard enough, you will always find it". Abraham Lincoln

#22 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2017-12-19 04:08 PM | FLAG:

The good news is that with a vast majority of right wingers it only requires a cursory glance to identify the evil.

#24 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-12-19 04:42 PM

"and eberly and boazy wonder what the problem is."

With you? It's patently obvious you're a drunken savage. Even lefties here cringe when you show up here.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-19 04:47 PM

Sally Yates, you will recall, was fired by President Trump in January after, in her capacity as acting attorney general, she told the Department of Justice that its lawyers should not defend the immigration pause executive order in court.

#23 | Posted by Sniper

Sally Yates, you will also recall, warned trump that Flynn was compromised by the russians. Trump responded by firing yates instead of flynn. He didn't fire flynn until the press found out about it. Just like a guy who colluded with the russians would do.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 05:02 PM

it's the Cons who've worked for years to create divisions.

Yea and it's you liberals who have been trying to change a once United America.

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 05:14 PM

"a once United America."

When was that???

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 05:16 PM

Yea and it's you liberals who have been trying to change a once United America.

Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 05:14 PM | Reply

Can we please just break off this part of the United States? Just let them be their own brand of ------- crazy on the coast.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-15 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bye Felicia.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-19 05:26 PM

"a once United America."

When was that???

#28 | Posted by snoofy

1776. When the United States was created by Liberals.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-19 05:45 PM

I like the part where BOAZ forgets that American independence from GB was the act of liberals.

#31 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 05:48 PM

In 1776,

There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 07:54 PM

- no such thing as today's liberals.

Sure there were. They were called evangelical Christians and they held the high moral ground from the Revolutionary War to the Civil War... unlike today's money-bound political pawn Evangels and rwing fruitcakes. (my apologies to fruitcakes everywhere)

books.google.com

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 08:01 PM

There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals.

#32 | Posted by boaz

That's why the had slaves right? Because their morals were so great?

What you mean is people lived enslaved by religious superstition, how you think they should.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-19 08:08 PM

In 1945

When we slaughtered everyone else.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-19 08:09 PM

Sally Yates: Who Are We As a Country?

Fat, dumb, and passive aggressive.

#36 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-19 08:14 PM

- people lived enslaved by religious superstition

You might want to check the link in 33. Abolitionists world-wide were largely Christians.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-19 08:16 PM

"There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals."

The people whose morals you praise all owned slaves.

Some of the more prominent ones did a thing with their slaves that when Bill Clinton did it with an intern, you called it sexual misconduct.

Your morals are nonexistent.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 08:35 PM

In 1776,
There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals.

#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're right. Today's liberals tend to be more Christian than the liberals of 1776 who were mainly Atheist or Agnostic.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-20 01:53 PM

FYI: Mark Warner, vice chair of Senate Intel, will deliver a speech today at 4:30 on the Senate floor about the future of Mueller's investigation.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-20 02:07 PM

There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals.
#32 | Posted by boaz

It's funny that you call the people who held your relatives as slaves "moral".

#41 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-12-20 02:19 PM

"There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals."

Yeah, Thomas Jeffersons great, great, great grandchildren who descended from Sally Hemings.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-20 02:23 PM

Who Are We As a Country?

We are Fantasyland. A land where we have created Alternate facts that counter actual facts.

It is a place where we can believe the most fantastical things without question or being questioned (because that would be rude).

A place were you can believe what you want to believe in spite of any evidence to the contrary. Because Freedom!

We are a place where reality and fantasy has finally merged so that it is difficult to tell the difference anymore. Because Freedom!

We believe in Angels and Demons and the Devils and Gods more than ever. Because Freedom!

We are exactly what so many were worried we would become.

"I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir."

-Carl Sagan

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-20 02:28 PM

we're the same criminals we always were.

#44 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-21 03:02 AM

Boaz's reaction to "liberals" is a veiled threat of violence when "things come to a boil." It is not a "liberal conspiracy" to believe in the rule of law and that freedom of speech comes with the right to express yourself without fear of violence. He can't make serious arguments about ideas so he uses veiled threats as if those are actually arguments.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-21 07:01 AM

n 1776,

There was no such thing as today's liberals. People had morals.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-19 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The one's that OWNED other humans? Those morals?

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