Monday, December 18, 2017

The Pentagon Has Secretly Investigated UFOs

In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find. Which was how the Pentagon wanted it. For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon's C Ring, deep within the building's maze. The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members.


The shadowy program -- parts of it remain classified -- began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Reid's, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space. ...

Under Bigelow's direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes. In addition, researchers spoke to military service members who had reported sightings of strange aircraft.

"We're sort of in the position of what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener," said Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor for the program. "First of all, he'd try to figure out what is this plastic stuff. He wouldn't know anything about the electromagnetic signals involved or its function."


"Ted Stevens said, ‘I've been waiting to do this since I was in the Air Force.'" (The Alaska senator had been a pilot in the Army's air force, flying transport missions over China during World War II.)

During the meeting, Mr. Reid said, Mr. Stevens recounted being tailed by a strange aircraft with no known origin, which he said had followed his plane for miles.

None of the three senators wanted a public debate on the Senate floor about the funding for the program, Mr. Reid said. "This was so-called black money," he said. "Stevens knows about it, Inouye knows about it. But that was it, and that's how we wanted it." Mr. Reid was referring to the Pentagon budget for classified programs.

What a fun read. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Mr. Elizondo.
It was funny to me how the Navy pilots [occifers] said "bro," lol.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-12-16 08:05 PM


I found it to be a sad and scary read. Russia, China, and Mexico are all countries that actively release information about the UFO phenomenon to the public in order to get a better understanding of what's going on. The U.S. and U.K. governments seem confident they know what IS going on, but refuse to acknowledge the truth in order to maintain status quo.

Not that I would argue with that strategy...people in the U.S. just elected Trump and people in the U.K. just voted to Brexit. This is definitely not the time to bother the average Western voter with "nonsense" such as extraterrestrial visitations. We've got enough -------- to work out before considering the notion that there are civilizations out there equipped with the ability to wipe out human kind entirely with a simple switch. ----...if we can do it to ourselves, you don't think intergalactic beings could do something similar?

I'm hoping BOAZ agrees with me on this. It might be one of two things he and I agree on.

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-17 05:15 AM

I'm going to leave this for whoever is willing to read it:

I went to college with a guy whose grandfather was one of the primary scientists the helped develop the Patriot Missile. With that comes a lot of credibility when it comes to my buddy's knowledge of aerospace engineering and phenomena that they would like to exploit. He doesn't acknowledge it now, for whatever reason, but he and I had a wonderful conversation about the government's knowledge surrounding antigravity propulsion. He argued that the U.S. government has been in the know about antigravity propulsion for decades, BUT have been unwilling to release any information about their abilities because there has been no practical way of defending said antigravity technology, especially when it's implemented in a flying craft. He said that we should not expect any public news about antigravity capability until the U.S. government has a handle on portable laser weapons.

Why? you might ask? Think of what it would take to create an antigravity craft; you're basically tasked with figuring out how to create an individual gravity field around a single craft. By doing so, all gravity within that field attracts inward. And by doing so, ballistic capabilities are rendered null; you can't shoot anything ballistic away from a craft that possesses its own gravity field. The only thing that can penetrate such a field is light, hence lasers are the only defense mechanism for antigravity craft. My buddy speculated that we would not hear about the actual antigravity capability of U.S. military aircraft until they have a strong handle on portable laser weapons. Once these weapons are common place on typical, standard military planes, then and ONLY then will information about antigravity technology be released to the public. Even then, others speculate it won't happen because the situation is far too close to acknowledging the existence and visitation of extraterrestrials to Earth. The risk of that is far too great based upon diligent research by sociologists. However, I don't believe that research is any longer applicable and necessitates immediate updating. The common sociological research in this area suggests human societies would not be capable of withstanding such news that humans are not the apex predator in the universe. If anyone is interested in some good sci-fi, I recommend the "Three Body Problem" book by a Chinese author. Kind of like Contact by Carl Sagan only much more in depth.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-17 05:32 AM

Arthur C. Clarke's three laws:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, they are almost certainly right. When they state that something is impossible, they are very probably wrong.

2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-18 05:51 PM

Avarice for the lies we believe.

#5 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2017-12-18 07:58 PM

So basically, at some point, they reinstated Project Blue Book.

#6 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-12-19 01:34 AM


Not exactly. This one seems to be serious.

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 01:44 AM

Using the X-files as a distraction.......Brilliant!!

#8 | Posted by Sezu at 2017-12-19 07:02 AM

The one thing I understand about authority of any kind, the one answer that is unacceptable is "We don't know". We do not know what these thing are or where they come from. They do things that would turn a human pilot into a thin layer of goo. They seem to appear and disappear at will. Basicly we do not know where these things are from, who made them, what they are doing and where they go. Unidentified means just that.

#9 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-12-19 10:23 AM

Basicly we do not know where these things are from, who made them, what they are doing and where they go. Unidentified means just that.


We don't know what 80% of the Universe is. 80% of the Universe is Unidentified.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-19 10:49 AM

Considering the Gs these things are pulling I suspect that they're robotically controlled. By whom is the question>

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-19 12:52 PM

Twinpac, once you start injecting actual physics into the discussions, such as how many Gs the unidentified aircraft are pulling, the absurdity of discussing UFOs from other solar systems or galaxies quickly becomes apparent.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 12:56 PM

So basically, at some point, they reinstated Project Blue Book.


Is that a pricing guide for aftermarket UFOs?


We've barely known of the electron for 120 years. If an extraterrestrial species is even 1000 years "older" than us, it is likely they have technologies and scientific understanding we are incapable of comprehending at this time. "Absurdity" is a species like our own making assumptions about species far more advanced.

#13 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-12-19 01:08 PM

Fair enough Indy. But until someone, anyone, actually shows a theoretically legitimate way of getting around the barriers created by the speed of light and Einstein's physics on more than a sub-atomic level, I claim it is all absurdity.

#14 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 01:12 PM

I claim it is all absurdity.

#14 | Posted by moder8

Well, at least you are among a group well known and highly respected people that have also had to eat their words. (including Einstein)

A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth's atmosphere." -- New York Times, 1936

"How, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense." -- Napoleon Bonaparte, when told of Robert Fulton's steamboat, 1800s

"Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia." - Dr. Dionysius Lardner, 1830

"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will." - Albert Einstein, 1932

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." - Western Union internal memo, 1876

"X-rays will prove to be a hoax." - Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883

"I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." -- HG Wells, British novelist, in 1901

"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to no one in particular?" - -Associates of David Sarnoff responding to the latter's call for investment in the radio in 1921

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-19 02:15 PM

I get your point, but the reality is that the speed of light is a fundamental law of nature of which we know ZERO examples of it being violated beyond the quantum sub-atomic level. Not one. And boy have we been searching.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 02:20 PM

Why would it need to be on more than a sub-atomic level, why can't that subatomic be the proverbial camel's nose under the tent?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 04:03 PM

Nuh uh. Doesn't work like that. Quantum physic follows all sorts of different rules than Newtonian physics. Don't ask me why. They just do.

I love this little mind ---- experiment. If you fire a photon (which is a sub-atomic particle) to your left, it will travel away from you at the speed of light. If you simultaneously fire another photon to your right, it too will travel away from you at the speed of light. However, relative to one another, the photons will only be traveling apart from each other at the speed of light. Not twice the speed of light as Newtonian physic would have us assume.

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-19 04:30 PM

"Doesn't work like that. Quantum physic follows all sorts of different rules than Newtonian physics."

Right, this gets to the heart of the paradox in physics. Which is that quantum mechanics is empirically validated, and general relativity is empirically validaged. But quantum mechanics and general relativity, as theories, cannot both be true simultaneously; they are contradictory.

So what the UFOs have done is bridged that gap.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-19 04:39 PM

Re # 19


We already know that if you have two electrons close together, they can vibrate in unison, according to the quantum theory. If you then separate them, an invisible umbilical cord emerges which connects the two electrons, even though they may be separated by many light years. If you jiggle one electron, the other electron "senses" this vibration instantly, faster than the speed of light. Einstein thought that this therefore disproved the quantum theory, since nothing can go faster than light.

Just because the theory is so complex that no one on Earth has been able to fully solve it and give a definitive answer to our questions doesn't mean it hasn't been solved somewhere else in the Universe.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-19 05:07 PM

When you start looking at really really small things everything you "know" about the world around you becomes suspect. Time, space, even motion take on different meanings.

What most people miss when they talk about Einstein was not just that the speed of the light was the maximum but that EVERYTHING is ALWAYS moving at the speed of light. The speed is split between the 4 axis of space-time. as things move faster through what we consider physical motion, their speed in the time axis is reduced. If something could be brought to an absolute cessation of 3-D motion, it would still be moving at the speed of light THROUGH TIME.

#21 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-19 05:33 PM

Ever heard of Area 51 in the southern Nevada desert?????
Its a not so secret military base that has crashed, captured, and or manufactured UFO's and test base for new stealth military equipment.

The CIA is knee deep in Area 51, so this story is bunk and a deception.

#22 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-19 10:59 PM

Re #22
It does seem highly suspicious that suddenly the government has so much as admitted that UFOs exist and are not from here. Why is that camera footage being released just now? And the pilot is being allowed to speak about it publicly? Normally this kind of thing would be above top secret.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-20 11:23 AM

Why would the government necessarily keep evidence of UFOs top secret? I don't get it. There seems to be an assumption among proponents of extraterrestrial visits that if UFOs ever came to Earth then all the governments would band together to hide that information from the masses. I think that is a dumb assumption.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-20 11:32 AM


"Why would the government necessarily keep evidence of UFOs top secret?"

Fear of mass hysteria spurred on by gossip, speculation and the MSM talk shows for ratings.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-20 12:32 PM

Not to mention the doomsday televangelists.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-20 12:34 PM

26 nailed it. It would stick a fork in religion and the rubes that follow it, and create mass hysteria.
It's coming out Now because the alt-right ------- need anything to distract from Russia.

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-20 03:17 PM


Some televangelists will just come back and say "God has many temples" even if some of them happen to be on other planets.

The 666 doomsday guys will be selling a last minute insurance policy to get into heaven for the small, small price of $14.95 if you act in the next ten minutes. Call 1-800-666-6666.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-21 03:26 AM

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