Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Doug Jones Wins

The polls have closed in Alabama for the special U.S Senate election between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore, a race that has heightened interest because of credible allegations from multiple women that Moore sexually pursued underage girls in his 30s and was banned from a mall. One voter's take on FiveThirtyEight:"I'm a registered Republican, but I don't feel like Moore represents the kind of person who should be office," said Devin Taylor, a pharmaceutical sales representative. Taylor said he voted for Jones.

Comments

I hope Jones wins and completely agree with Taylor.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-12 08:11 PM

I also loved Charles Barkley's quote today: "we need to stop looking like idiots to the Nation."

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-12 08:13 PM

Two months ago I believed there was no way Moore could win. Oh what a fool I am. Lord have mercy on America.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-12 08:16 PM

My guess is Roy Moore wins by 5 points.

#4 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-12 08:22 PM

Moore wins by a handful of votes. Recounts are contested but Moore takes it in the end.

#5 | Posted by Snowfake at 2017-12-12 08:26 PM

More like Moore gives it in the end

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-12 08:27 PM

Roll tide.

#7 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 08:33 PM

#6 we all get it in the end, JJ.

#8 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 08:34 PM

What is the most embarrassing outcome for America? That is what I predict.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-12-12 08:37 PM

Let's see what you've got alabama.

Are you the ---------- ignorant inbred hicks everyone mocks you for being? Or do you have functioning brains and christian morals?

It's judgement day for your state.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-12 08:49 PM

"Are you the ---------- ignorant inbred hicks everyone mocks you for being? Or do you have functioning brains and christian morals?"

Be honest, Jones could win and your opinion of Alabama won't change one bit. Quit pretending otherwise.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-12 08:54 PM

The majority of Alabama voters don't see Jones position on abortion as the 'christian moral' position.
To those voters, it is another situation, like the presidential election, where they are faced with 2 flawed candidates.
1 candidate is a bad person who says the right things, and professionally has behaved in a manner in alignment with the values of the people.
1 candidate is a fine person who says things and behaves professionally in a manner considered abhorrent to their morals.
Time will tell what their ultimate decision will be.

#12 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-12 09:07 PM

What is the most embarrassing outcome for the GOP? That is what I predict.

FTFY, America will be just fine, the GOP, not so much.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-12 09:08 PM

the ballot box buzzards are circling and diving. where's the NBPP when you need them?
i'd like to see an ultra ir image map of all those goings on.

#14 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 09:10 PM

If Moore wins Alabama needs to secede for the USA.

#15 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-12 09:16 PM

FTFY, America will be just fine, the GOP, not so much.

#13 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

While the world is not coming to an end, your glib condensation is wrong -- this election should be a no brainer, but it isn't ...

That should be troubling to any American who cares about our supposed unshakeable democratic institutions.

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-12 09:18 PM

Be honest, Jones could win and your opinion of Alabama won't change one bit. Quit pretending otherwise.

#11 | Posted by eberly

Actually it would change QUITE a bit. Way to be wrong as hell.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-12 09:18 PM

Be honest, Jones could win and your opinion of Alabama won't change one bit. Quit pretending otherwise.

#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-12-12 08:54 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Everyone should think so

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-12 09:19 PM

-Actually it would change QUITE a bit. Way to be wrong as hell.

LOL. You're cute. Lying through your teeth...but cute.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-12 09:23 PM

Be honest, Jones could win and your opinion of Alabama won't change one bit.

Everybody will think less of Alabama if Moore wins.

Therefore, it's not possible for a Jones win to produce no movement in how somebody thinks of Alabama.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2017-12-12 09:28 PM

LOL. You're cute. Lying through your teeth...but cute.

#19 | Posted by eberly

Wow your psychic powers are impressive.

You're literally debating people by telling them you know their thoughts better than they do now.

Idiot.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-12 09:33 PM

This Mohr says No Moore.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-12 09:34 PM

20

lacks logic. and what I said still stands firm. His opinion of Alabama won't change either way.

Will yours?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-12 09:43 PM

yep. but i already think ppl are mostly 'good.'

#24 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 09:48 PM

...and half ignorant.

#25 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 09:50 PM

You're literally debating people by telling them you know their thoughts better than they do now.

#21 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-12-12 09:33 PM

Shreek, you are one of the most rigid, hyper partisan people on this blog, you make Babbles look flexible.

Eberly is not wrong.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-12 10:03 PM

Eberly is right. Half the folks in Alabama support child rape. You going to ask which half each citizen stands with? Or are you going to drive through on your family vacation?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-12 10:05 PM

This shouldn't even be close at all. This is horrible.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-12 10:14 PM

Eberly is laying out how conservatives fool themselves into doing these things. They are setting up the liberal boogeyman as an imaginary enemy. The would rather see Roy rape their child then stand next to them than permit the liberal boogeyman to win because that liberal doesn't respect their choice of the rapist.

They don't see that both problems are fixed by not voting for pedophiles.

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-12 10:16 PM

28

Exactly. The fact that Moore is in this at all will be justification for a very low opinion of Alabama voters....even if he loses.

My opinion won't change. It's absurd this guy is in it.

Speakstupid just can't get anything right and yet needs to argue with me.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-12 10:18 PM

29

Bingo.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-12 10:19 PM

AP and NYT call it for Jones.

#32 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-12 10:27 PM

#32

CNN too.

#33 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-12 10:30 PM

So too CNN.

#34 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-12 10:31 PM

jones has a 1% lead in the votes according to cnn

#35 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-12 10:32 PM

JONES WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-12 10:32 PM

Include Fox Snooze

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-12-12 10:33 PM

Wow. I'm so happy to be wrong. I want to hug an Alabaman. And yes my opinion of Alabamans has gone up a lot.

#38 | Posted by Snowfake at 2017-12-12 10:33 PM

This is a cup of hot piss in Trumps face. He endorsed and rallied for this pervert and Bannon went all in on this as well. F$#%& the three of them and the horse they rode in on

#39 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-12 10:37 PM

Shocked.

#40 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-12-12 10:39 PM

if i were you guys claiming victory i'd settle down. think about the last 20 years of political history.

#41 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-12 10:40 PM

I want to believe this but I'll wait to get all excited.

#42 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2017-12-12 10:40 PM

Good job Alabama, I didn't think you'd do the right thing. Thank Gawd you did! There may be hope for this country yet.

#43 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-12 10:41 PM

Once again Roy Moore came in a little behind. ;-)

#44 | Posted by Snowfake at 2017-12-12 10:41 PM

This is also a strong gust of wind behind the growing Dem 50 state strategy. Not all races will have as "easy" a mark as a child molesting talibaptists on the opposing ballot, but this is going to cost Rs a lot of resrouces in a lot of races around the country that would have been only symbolically contested before.

The coattails are on fire and dipped in s$#%€

#45 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-12 10:41 PM

Drudge has the flashing light. Where are the dancing bananas Rcade?

#46 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-12 10:42 PM

Wow. Did not see this coming. Happily surprised.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 10:42 PM

Trump was elected with 62% of the vote in Alabama . Exit polling today had him at 47%

#48 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-12 10:46 PM

JONES WINS!

#49 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-12-12 10:48 PM

Outstanding!

#50 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-12 10:53 PM

Surprise MF!

Alabama is not the property of the Republican party and even 1/5 of them hate kid diddlers.

youtu.be

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-12 10:55 PM

Thank goodness. Being a pedophile is an automatic disqualifier in my book for holding office. It is really sad there are people who voted for this guy because of party affiliation. While I don't agree with everything Jones stands for at least you don't have to worry about him cruising the mall looking for Junior high girls to pick up.

#52 | Posted by byrdman at 2017-12-12 10:55 PM

MATT DRUDGE‏ @DRUDGE

Luther Strange would have won in a landslide... Just too much crazy in nerve racking times. There IS a limit!

Paul Begala‏ @PaulBegala

Special thanks to the genius strategist who did so much to make this happen: Steve Bannon.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 10:55 PM

Fox News isn't even talking about this. Laura Ingram the slime that she is, is talking about how the alt-right ------- should investigate Mueller. LMAO!!!!!!

#54 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-12 10:57 PM

Decency wins.

-- Jeff Flake

And I would add:

Democracy is what happens when you get out and VOTE.

Thank you Alabama! You have restored my faith in America.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 10:57 PM

Happy Silver Anniversary, Senator and Mrs. Jones!

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 10:58 PM

Fox News isn't even talking about this. Laura Ingram the slime that she is, is talking about how the alt-right ------- should investigate Mueller. LMAO!!!!!!

#57 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-12-12 10:58 PM

December 12, 2017:

Moore, Trump, Steve Bannon and Moore supporters in Alabama: "Those women are liars."

Alabama voters: "We believe the women, f*** you" Moore, Trump, Steve Bannon and Moore supporters in Alabama."

#58 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-12 11:00 PM

"Trump was elected with 62% of the vote in Alabama . Exit polling today had him at 47%."

Important to remember. There is hope for America.

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:03 PM

Moore>Bannon>Trump ... drown by a rising Crimson tide.
#Virginia
#Alabama

#60 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:04 PM

they're still saying Apparent Winner, 99%,

#61 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:06 PM

The arc is long, but it bends toward justice!

#62 | Posted by cbob at 2017-12-12 11:07 PM

Doug Jones Wins
There was a lot of pre-election rationalization by those on the left-side of the aisle that a Moore win would be a short-term win for the GOP, but a long-term loss for them.

Jones defeating Moore is so much better.

#63 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-12 11:12 PM

i knew Jones would win.

i don't think it's 100% over yet.

#64 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:12 PM

Not to be a negative Nancy, but realistically all this is for the GOP is a probe of where is rock bottom.

And they found that it's a sexual predator who hits on teenage girls will be beaten by 1% statewide.

Not a tough lesson to enact for the GOP and not a tough standard to meet, especially when you consider it wasn't his militant "Christian" views that people found repulsive.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-12 11:12 PM

"they're still saying Apparent Winner, 99%"

Here is what we need to do...Karl Rove says we need to send Megyn Kelly down to the Fox News business desk and check those numbers!!

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 11:15 PM

that's big fat NO NAZIS.

#65 bottom? idts

#67 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:22 PM

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!
8:08 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:22 PM

i pray they don't shoot the horse.

#69 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:24 PM

RCADE! TOLD YA, DIDN'T I?

But, here's the fun part. Even with all the other crap, Moore still would have won if not for help from certain republicans.

1. - Richard Shelby (R - Sen.) 'I will write in a vote and cannot vote for Moore.'

2. - over 20, 000 Alabama voters who also wrote-in a vote. All of those votes were from repubs who refused to vote for Moore.

This does not diminish the victory for Jones. He is a good man, and will make a good senator.

#70 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-12 11:25 PM

#48 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY
"Trump was elected with 62% of the vote in Alabama . Exit polling today had him at 47%"

I attribute that to him sucking. It's an amateur opinion, to be sure, but I think I might be on to something.

#71 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-12-12 11:26 PM

The GOP dodged a bullet on this one. If Moore won he and Trump would have been there poster boys for why to not vote Republican for years to come.

#72 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-12-12 11:26 PM

Donald Trump and Jeff sessions endorsedthis guy right before the election. Gotta wonder how it feels To sell out at the last second and now look so horrible.

#73 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-12 11:27 PM

Screw Roy Moore and the horse he rode in on.

#74 | Posted by soulfly at 2017-12-12 11:31 PM

Moore not conceding.

#75 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:32 PM

That horse may be too old for Moore. Just sayin'.

"Write-in candidates make up barely 1 percent"

(not that Trump would ever lie)

www.cbsnews.com

A yuuge loss for Trump, a bittersweet loss for the GOP who knew they didn't want Moore as the face of their party in next year's election; even if it means losing this seat it could have meant losing several more and the House.... and a win for Jones, the Dem party, Alabama, and all of America.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-12 11:32 PM

Jones defeating Moore is so much better.

#63 | POSTED BY HANS

Yes. This. He is completely unfit for office for reasons not limited to his sexual predations. That and he's a Bannon guy and all things Bannon should be marginalized to the nth degree.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-12 11:32 PM

I knew it. They will ask for a recount.

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 11:32 PM

God will fix this!

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 11:33 PM

Uh-oh. There's a hitch, according to Moore's team. Military vote not in yet. Moore: "It's not over."

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:33 PM

Moore: God will save me/us!

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:33 PM

It's not over. And when it finally is then it was probably rigged.

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 11:34 PM

This David French piece appeared on-line earlier today:

The Comprehensive Case against Roy Moore

www.nationalreview.com

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-12 11:35 PM

Bye, Roy, and good riddance. repent.
Roll Tide.

#84 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:35 PM

people don't agree with with going backwards. it isn't ... natural.

#85 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:37 PM

From my link in #83:

Indeed, Moore's actions as chief justice were so brazen and so egregious that they should disqualify him from the Senate on their own. Yet they don't even come close to constituting the totality of his sins.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-12 11:38 PM

"It's not over. And when it finally is then it was probably rigged."

Alabama won't keep digital voting records after special election

Digital scans of the ballots cast in Alabama's special election will not be stored after the polls close Tuesday.

That decision came down from the Alabama Supreme Court which issued a stay Monday, the day prior to the election, overturning a same-day circuit court decision that had required the state to preserve all digital voting records post-election.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:39 PM

You know, according to that bible he's obviously never read, every time this douch bag points to God as if they are on the same team, another coal of fire is piled upon his head. I hope he keeps it up.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-12 11:39 PM

Dang...what a weak low energy Trump tweet. Actual grudging respect and congratulations in Trump's eagerly awaited response tweet. At least he tried to minimize the vote.

"A win is a win." What low energy! That means that for Trump it was a loss. And a loss is a loss! A BIGLY loss. Second time in a row! Which means Trump can't pick a winner. Which makes Trump a LOSER. Epic loss! AGENDA sucks! Trump reduced to chasing his tail. Sad!

#89 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-12 11:42 PM

Popcorn and Vodka
Twitter › popcornandvodka
There are 8732 active duty military from Alabama. Doug Jones is up 20,000+ votes. Roy Moore is The Biggest Loser.

#90 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-12 11:44 PM

Mr. Smith‏ @GuardianRover

Let's see if Roy Moore and Trump go on a rant about felons (code for black people) or illegals swinging the election.
8:44 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:47 PM

#91

Good call. That's prolly what's next.

As soon as Fox brings it up, Donald will tweet it.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-12 11:50 PM

Jessica Huseman‏ @JessicaHuseman

John Merrill, secretary of state for Alabama, tells CNN the margin is not close enough to trigger a recount. Says "unlikely" military ballots would change outcome, but might decrease margin.
8:40 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:51 PM

The hot Fox "news" take on this is that now Al Franken MUST resign. Moore's loss coupled with Franken's resignation creates a stalemate on the sexual misconduct situation. They cancel each other out.

I don't even know how to process that.

#94 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-12 11:54 PM

Putin must be said tonight:

Russian Propagandists Are Pushing for Roy Moore to Win

Kremlin-linked trolls have also joined Trump and Fox News in targeting the FBI.

www.motherjones.com

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:55 PM

said = sad!

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-12 11:56 PM

Right wing hate radio was already prepared to call out the millions of voters the Democrats bus in from neighboring states to vote multiple times, etc. I can only listen for about a minute at a time, so I don't get much more than repeated conspiracies and hatred of intelligent, sentient humans from wingnut propaganda stations.

#97 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-12 11:57 PM

Support from women hands Democrats victory in Alabama: Exit polls

Negative perceptions among voters over the sexual misconduct allegations against Republican Roy Moore handed the Democrats a rare victory in deep-red Alabama, with broad gender and racial gaps and vast shifts among typically pro-GOP groups in the state, including independents, moderates and non-evangelical whites.

On the central issue of the election, 51 percent of voters said the allegations against Moore were definitely or probably true, vs. 44 percent who saw them as definitely or probably false. Those who believed Moore's accusers backed Jones by 90-8 percent.

Among key groups, Democrat Doug Jones led Moore by 17 percentage points among women in exit poll results, 58-41 percent, a sharp shift from 12- and 21-point Republican margins among women in the 2012 presidential and 2008 Senate elections in the state, the last two races in which exit polls were conducted.

Jones' support from women was concentrated, in particular, among women with children under 18 at home, who backed him by 66-32 percent. The Moore controversy involved his alleged advances toward young and underage women.

Jones won 31 percent of whites, double Barack Obama's share in 2012 and nearly triple the Democratic share in the 2008 Senate race. College-educated white women and non-evangelical whites swung very sharply toward the Democrat. Blacks, a nearly unanimous group for Jones, accounted for 28 percent of voters, in line with their past turnout despite a more restrictive voter ID law enacted in 2014.

One big shift came among political independents. Twenty-one percent of voters, they favored Jones by 9 points, after voting Republican by an overwhelming 52-point margin in 2012 and by 45 points in 2008.

The result came in a state that's about as solidly Republican as they come.

abcnews.go.com

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-12 11:58 PM

21,000 lead. +2%
most all absentees were counted early.

Moore can pay for his own recount.

#99 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-12 11:59 PM

Regardless of the outcome of this election, I don't think Franken should resign. My concern with this #MeToo movement is over-reaction. Also, when it comes to sexual predation degree matters. i don't say that to defend Franken. He sounds like an opportunistic groper. But just like a guy sticking one's tongue into the holiest of holy is not in the same ballpark as a foot massage, what Franken and Moore are accused of aren't in the same ballpark either. Francine's accusers seem credible and i think going before the ethics committee is the right thing to do. But if recent history serves as a lesson, the Duke lacrosse team case should serve as a cautionary tale.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:02 AM

youtu.be

#101 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:02 AM

I didn't mean to call Franken "Francine". It was an auto-correct failure.

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:03 AM

Last time there was a Democrat senator from Alabama was 1981.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:03 AM

Moore can pay for his own recount.

#99 | POSTED BY ICHIRO

If he goes that route I hope it bankrupts him.

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:04 AM

#93

That should be clarified. It's not close enough to trigger an automatic recount, less than 0.05%. alisondb.legislature.state.al.us The candidate can still ask for one. alisondb.legislature.state.al.us

#105 | Posted by et_al at 2017-12-13 12:04 AM

#102

Suuure! ;o)

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:05 AM

#100 JeffJ

You flip-flop so hard it makes me dizzy.

#107 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:05 AM

conservatives always over-react, weird.

#108 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:06 AM

Lily Adams‏ @adamslily

Let this sink in - Jefferson Beauregard Sessions' Senate seat was taken by a civil rights lawyer who convicted Klansmen. Justice is sweet.
7:34 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 12:08 AM

Hurrah!

#110 | Posted by dlib at 2017-12-13 12:09 AM

The "felon" turn-out was also a big factor...

African American Voters Made Doug Jones a U.S. Senator in Alabama

www.theatlantic.com

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:11 AM

Alabama saved the whole country.. Whoda thunk it?

#112 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 12:13 AM

#100 JeffJ
You flip-flop so hard it makes me dizzy.

#107 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It's likely due to the fact that you have a preconception of what my position is on any given issue and when I don't adhere to your preconception - regardless of how consistent I've been, like in the case of Moore - you misperceive it as a 'flip-flop' even in a case where I've been wholly consistent.

#113 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:14 AM

#113 JeffJ

Or I just pay attention to how you change your standard constantly.

#114 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:15 AM

Oh good. Moore is refusing to concede. Big surprise.

I'm sure Attorney General Jefferson Beaurergard Sessions III will sort this out fair n square.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-12-13 12:15 AM

The Republican campaign is asking for a recount. Remember when they used to make fun of Democrats for doing that?

#116 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:16 AM

Or I just pay attention to how you change your standard constantly.

#114 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Um, no. If I were to ask you to Hans my history and provide evidence of a changing standard, especially in terms of being constant, you'd fail miserably. But I suspect that my actual posting history is irrelevant to you. I suspect you judge me based solely upon my personal politics even though a Venn Diagram, believe it or not, has plenty of overlap between us.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:18 AM

#112 me.
and...headed to Mississippi, coming for that flag.

#118 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:18 AM

Jeffy makes an effort to look less like the loony right as much as he can as often as he can. It's not easy being a thoughtful rightie these days.

RoC spends most of his time here trying to be subtle about his fake centrist near-clandestine rightyness.

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:20 AM

Cork,

In the age of Trump and Bannon, being 'on the right' royally sucks.

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:22 AM

There's no joy in Mudville tonight.

#121 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 12:23 AM

Alabama saved the whole country.. Whoda thunk it?

#112 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

God knew. It was His Plan obviously.

Matt 5.5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Matt 5.5.5 Blessed are the rednecks in Alabama: for someday they will save America. Duck yeah!

#122 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 12:24 AM

There's no joy in Mudville tonight.

#121 | POSTED BY TWINPAC.....The Mighty Moore has struck out!

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:24 AM

First and foremost. Congratulations to Doug Jones.

Now. How does this affect the GOP's tax plan? Is there still another vote on it or is it done?

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-13 12:24 AM

#117 JeffJ

I think everyone here would disagree. You hold Republicans to a far lower standard than Democrats.

#125 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:24 AM

"there's gonna be so much winning, you're not gonna how much winning there's gonna be.!

#126 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-13 12:25 AM

- being 'on the right' royally sucks.

It's a hard roe to hoe, I know. But better than claiming to be a libertarian... most who claim that now are 2 time GW voters with nowhere to go.

You could become a moderate Dem, lol. There aren't many of those left. I'm half a socialist, and there's always someone leftier than thou here.

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:25 AM

What's hilarious is that they will blame this on the women who came forward about the sexual assaults. Ironically they are Republicans. And better yet, when Okeefe tried to prove that they were paid to lie, he ended up proving they likely were telling the truth.

#128 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:26 AM

Hallelujah for sanity! I was convinced that the bad guy would win again. And Steve Bannon can go ---- himself.

#129 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-12-13 12:26 AM

you''re not gonna believe....

#130 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-12-13 12:27 AM

#117 JeffJ
I think everyone here would disagree. You hold Republicans to a far lower standard than Democrats.

#125 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Really? Please peruse my recent posting history. This evening, I had something to say about Franken resigning and compared him to Moore. Please, check it out.

#131 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:27 AM

conspiracists' heads must be popping like zits all over Faux.

what say Pat Robertson and AJ? ... Sean... Judge J'nien? poppop...POP...pop.....

#132 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:27 AM

- or is it done?

Apparently there'll be some sort of reconciliation as they screwed up because they were in such a hurry.

Now they can't decide on whether 1 percent of the credit card debt they are creating with their cut will go to corporations or wealthy individuals. Their donors are bidding for it.

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:28 AM

Hallelujah for sanity! I was convinced that the bad guy would win again. And Steve Bannon can go ---- himself.

#129 | POSTED BY MODER8

Amen, brother.

#134 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:28 AM

. How does this affect the GOP's tax plan? Is there still another vote on it or is it done?

#124 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Democrats just need to slow down the vote or Jones won't get to vote on it.

#135 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 12:29 AM

. How does this affect the GOP's tax plan? Is there still another vote on it or is it done?
#124 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
Democrats just need to slow down the vote or Jones won't get to vote on it.

#135 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

There is no way Franken resigns now. Not after this. WAY too much at stake politically.

#136 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:31 AM

photos.app.goo.gl

#137 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:31 AM

There is no way Franken resigns now.

He shouldn't resign.

He should be seen by an ethics committee.

If what he's done is unethical. Then he should resign.

By what I've read. His actions don't warrant resignation.

But I may not be privy to all the information available.

#138 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-13 12:34 AM

Democrats just need to slow down the vote or Jones won't get to vote on it.

#135 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

I have mixed feelings about the tax bill. Having said that, I think it would be poetic justice if Moore losing was the deciding vote on this victory that Trump wants after he endorsed Moore. I had a similar feeling regarding Bergdahl. I wanted to see him serve time, as did Trump, but Trump spouted off on the case and likely tainted the sentencing to a point where he was let off easy.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:34 AM

Trump is whining about the write in votes. I'm sure they will claim those were rigged it.

#140 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:35 AM

I'm surprised Trump hasn't blamed illegal immigrants yet.

#141 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-13 12:36 AM

#138 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Please see #100. I am in complete agreement with you on this.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:36 AM

There is no way Franken resigns now. Not after this. WAY too much at stake politically.

#136 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You might be on to something there.

He shouldn't resign now. He can resign later. 😜He should as Republicans say actually let Minnesota voters decide and go through the ethics investigations if he has to.

The game is afoot! If he has the energy stay on the field!

#143 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 12:36 AM

e should as Republicans say actually let Minnesota voters decide and go through the ethics investigations if he has to...

#143 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Yes. This.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:38 AM

I'm just glad to finally see one of Vlad's candidates go down.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 12:38 AM

youtu.be

#146 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 12:39 AM

Please see #100. I am in complete agreement with you on this.
#142 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-13 12:36 AM | FLAG:

I'm not arguing with you. I was just expressing my opinion.

I have noticed you're getting some undue ribbing by fellow posters.

I wasn't joining in. I was just stating my point of view.

#147 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-12-13 12:39 AM

Partisan hat: Franken shouldn't resign due to how much his vote matters in a Senate with a narrow GOP majority.

Ethical hat: Franken shouldn't resign before going in front of the ethics board and paying deference to the votes of the people of Minnesota that put him into office.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:41 AM

I'm not arguing with you. I was just expressing my opinion.
I have noticed you're getting some undue ribbing by fellow posters.
I wasn't joining in. I was just stating my point of view.

#147 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I know. I think you misconstrued my post. I was simply drawing your attention to the fact that I share your view. I didn't construe your post as targeting me at all.

#149 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:43 AM

I'm just glad to finally see one of Vlad's candidates go down.
#145 | POSTED BY CORKY

I don't want to jinx it but maybe people are slowly catching on to what is going on. Vlad's minions tried to sway this election and drive wedge too but it is getting harder and harder.

People are starting to pay attention.

#150 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 12:44 AM

I'm just glad to finally see one of Vlad's candidates go down.
#145 | POSTED BY CORKY

Given Moore's predilection for sexual predation, I am sure he fancies himself as a modern-day 'Vlad the Impaler'.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:44 AM

"There is no way Franken resigns now. Not after this. WAY too much at stake politically."

I heard the Governor of MN is scheduled to announce Franken's replacement tomorrow morning. I hope not, but we'll see.

#152 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 12:49 AM

"I don't want to jinx it but maybe people are slowly catching on to what is going on. Vlad's minions tried to sway this election and drive wedge too but it is getting harder and harder.
People are starting to pay attention."

The bad news: Luther Strange probably would have won tonight had he been on the ballot, and he was Trump's pick.

The good news: Trump's approval rating in exit polls was less than 50%.

#153 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 12:53 AM

New York Daily News:

🍌🍌Screw You and the Horse You Rode in on! 🍌🍌

thehill.com

#154 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 12:55 AM

I heard the Governor of MN is scheduled to announce Franken's replacement tomorrow morning. I hope not, but we'll see.

#152 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

If the Governor can ensure a reliable Dem replacement, then politically it makes sense to remove Franken when this #MeToo thing can then be exploited to try and bring down Trump. It would suck for Franken but politics is a blood-sport.

#155 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 12:58 AM

I love this:

Molly Ball‏ @mollyesque

This is Patricia Gaines, whose father, a liberal minister, was driven out of Selma in 1961 by Klansmen on horseback. She went back to Selma for the first time today to drive black voters to the polls.

They were angry at her dad for offering communion to blacks. The whole family fled in the middle of the night. With her father out of work, she entered beauty pageants to put herself through college.
9:18 PM - 12 Dec 2017

twitter.com

Great pic--she looks like a very classy lady.

#156 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:00 AM

Re #152

😢

#157 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 01:00 AM

Evan McMullin‏ @Evan_McMullin

The Coalition of the Decent has spoken again. This is a proud night for Alabama and should send a clear message to GOP leadership: Continue to appease the populist, nationalist movement of Bannon and Trump at your peril.
7:34 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#158 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:02 AM

In the age of Trump and Bannon, being 'on the right' royally sucks.

#120 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

...and Nixon, and Ford, and Reagan, and Bush, and Bush...being on the right has always sucked.

#159 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-12-13 01:03 AM

"Today, in one of the most Republican states in the nation, the people of Alabama chose common decency and integrity over partisan politics," Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said in a statement.

"Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee did the opposite, siding with a candidate who wanted to drag Alabama back to the days of George Wallace and faced a mountain of credible evidence that he had engaged in child sexual abuse. ... President Trump, Republican Senate candidates and the Republican National Committee showed us exactly who they are by standing with Roy Moore -- and we will make sure voters do not forget it."

www.npr.org

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 01:04 AM

Evan McMullin‏ @Evan_McMullin
The Coalition of the Decent has spoken again. This is a proud night for Alabama and should send a clear message to GOP leadership: Continue to appease the populist, nationalist movement of Bannon and Trump at your peril.
7:34 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#158 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

During the primary I registered #NeverTrump and to this day I get these Evan McMullin emails.

#161 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:04 AM

President Trump, Republican Senate candidates and the Republican National Committee showed us exactly who they are by standing with Roy Moore -- and we will make sure voters do not forget it...and when they do Republicans will make sure to remind voters of "icons" like Bill and Hillary Clinton, Senator Edward Kennedy (an about-to-be-released movie will provide graphic imagery), John Conyers, etc, etc.

People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and all that.

#162 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:08 AM

"It would suck for Franken but politics is a blood-sport."

I don't object to Franken going if he is truly guilty of something objectionable, but I hate the thought of him being pushed out if he's not. I also hate the fact that he is being pushed out by my senator, Gillibrand. She is really proving herself to be a political opportunist of the highest order by trying to align herself with the Bernie wing of the party (that's not who she is traditionally at all), by stabbing the Clintons in the back, whose support was crucial to her early political wins, and by going overboard with the #metoo movement (implying, for instance, that all sexual misconduct is created equal and deserves the same punishment) in order to curry favor with women voters for a 2020 presidential run (or failing that, a VP nod). She has turned off a lot of women--and men--voters in the process, including myself. I think what Trump probably meant by his tweet about her is that she is a political w$ore, not that she is an actual s$ut, and I'm not sure he's completely wrong either. It will be a while before I can jump on the Gillibrand bandwagon again, if I ever do. From my perspective, she's got some explaining to do.

#163 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:14 AM

#162 none of whom had ever sexually assaulted 14 year old kids

People who practice Whataboutism, and all that.

#164 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 01:15 AM

Franklin Graham‏ @Franklin_Graham

Praying for Roy Moore.
5:19 AM - 12 Dec 2017

#165 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:18 AM

#162 none of whom had ever sexually assaulted 14 year old kids
People who practice Whataboutism, and all that.
#164 | POSTED BY CORKY

'Mary Jo Kopechne'

Do you really want to play this game?

#166 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:19 AM

Let's hope CNN got this story right:

Jim Acosta @Acosta

Source close to WH: "It's devastating for the president... this is an earthquake... Virginia but on steroids... the president has egg on his face" because of Bannon.
8:02 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#167 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:20 AM

'Mary Jo Kopechne' was an adult who died in a car accident.

Sexually assaulting children isn't a game, and it isn't equivalent to anything anyone you named has been proven to have done.

#168 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 01:21 AM

Lindsey Graham‏ @LindseyGrahamSC

If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
2:03 PM - 3 May 2016

#169 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:21 AM

Pedophiles 0, Democrats 1, life is good.

#170 | Posted by Badcat at 2017-12-13 01:21 AM

Per Moores theology God is currently punishing him for touching those kids

#171 | Posted by Tor at 2017-12-13 01:22 AM

I don't object to Franken going if he is truly guilty of something objectionable, but I hate the thought of him being pushed out if he's not. - Gal Tuesday

Yes. I don't like applying standards of conduct retroactively. I don't excuse him for what he's accused of, but even if true, his actions aren't even remotely close to what Moore is accused of.

#172 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:22 AM

'Mary Jo Kopechne' was an adult who died in a car accident.
Sexually assaulting children isn't a game, and it isn't equivalent to anything anyone you named has been proven to have done.
#168 | POSTED BY CORKY

Roy Moore is scum. He is unfit and I'm glad he lost. But seriously. Are you going to dumb down what happened with Mary Jo Kopechne as simply "died in a car accident"?

#173 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:25 AM

"How does this affect the GOP's tax plan? Is there still another vote on it or is it done?"
#124 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It's still in the process of reconciliation. Trump wants it on his desk by Christmas. I wonder if he knows that Congress starts their Christmas vacation on Dec. 18 (to Dec. 29) so it probably ain't gonna happen.

#174 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 01:29 AM

The Republicans are saying they lost because of the negative media coverage on Moore. For a man of God, I find that a little ridiculous. Thoughts and prayers are apparently enough for gun violence and global warming, but not enough to win elections?

#175 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 01:32 AM

- what happened with Mary Jo Kopechne

Has exactly nada to do with what happened tonight or in shopping malls around Alabama. Which is where this Whataboutism gets you; nowhere. It is a Deflection and a tu quoque logical fallacy.

en.wikipedia.org

It's also obnoxious, and worse, it's boring.

#176 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-13 01:32 AM

Trump really, really, really needed Roy Moore's vote. He was sweating bullets over this election.

#177 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 01:33 AM

Per Moores theology God is currently punishing him for touching those kids

#171 | POSTED BY TOR

Pretty sure God is not done with Roy Moore.

#178 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-13 01:37 AM

The Republicans are saying they lost because of the negative media coverage on Moore. For a man of God, I find that a little ridiculous. Thoughts and prayers are apparently enough for gun violence and global warming, but not enough to win elections?

#175 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I sincerely hope that Moore lost because he is wholly unfit and not just for his sexual predations.

Corky responds:

- what happened with Mary Jo Kopechne....
Has exactly nada to do with what happened tonight or in shopping malls around Alabama. Which is where this Whataboutism gets you; nowhere

The problem is, this was what I was responding to:

President Trump, Republican Senate candidates and the Republican National Committee showed us exactly who they are by standing with Roy Moore -- and we will make sure voters do not forget it

For 2+ decades the GOP could sort-of and kind-of claim some kind of a moral high-ground after the Democrats' deplorable lionization of Kennedy/Clinton out of pure political expediency. The GOP forfeited that narrative by supporting Trump and now Moore. What happened here is that the GOP lost a cherished narrative. Yet, you are trying to spin it into the Dems gained a narrative. They didn't. Trump and Moore merely leveled the race to the bottom. Any attempts to make Trump/Moore the poster-twins for the GOP will rightly be met with Kennedy/Clinton being depicted as the Wonder Twins of the DNC. People in glass houses....

#179 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:44 AM

Brian Fallon‏ @brianefallon

"African American voters, particularly women, are carrying the load for the Democratic Party." - @Bakari_Sellers on CNN, in a very true statement.
6:56 PM - 12 Dec 2017

#180 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 01:51 AM

"For 2+ decades the GOP could sort-of and kind-of claim some kind of a moral high-ground after the Democrats' deplorable lionization of Kennedy/Clinton out of pure political expediency. The GOP forfeited that narrative by supporting Trump and now Moore. What happened here is that the GOP lost a cherished narrative. Yet, you are trying to spin it into the Dems gained a narrative. They didn't. Trump and Moore merely leveled the race to the bottom. Any attempts to make Trump/Moore the poster-twins for the GOP will rightly be met with Kennedy/Clinton being depicted as the Wonder Twins of the DNC. People in glass houses.... Any attempts to make Trump/Moore the poster-twins for the GOP will rightly be met with Kennedy/Clinton being depicted as the Wonder Twins of the DNC. People in glass houses...."

That 2+ decade moral high-ground GOP narrative existed only within in GOP circles. Let's recall, for example, the Hastert/Foley deplorable twins of the GOP. Speaking of Denny, this just out today:

Judge: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert not allowed to be around minors

www.upi.com

And in case anyone forgets who Foley was:

Disgraced Former US Rep. Mark Foley Spotted at Trump Rally

abcnews.go.com

Moral of the story: sexual misconduct, as the term goes these days, knows no party line. I've heard rumors that stories will becoming out about 20 to 30 or even 40 Congressmen/Senators guilty of various kinds of sexual misconduct, on both sides of the aisle. If these rumors are true, damn.

#181 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-12-13 02:02 AM

You flip-flop so hard it makes me dizzy.

Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 12:05 AM | Reply

AMEN HONEY AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#182 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-13 02:25 AM

Sounds like Jeffylube expects a medal for his brief and tentative flirtations with human decency since his party of choice decided to well and truly abandon all standards.

The case is eroded somewhat when he cannot even mention the #metoo movement without sputtering out some garbage about "matters of degree" and women overreacting or outright lying (got to get all the mileage one can out of that Duke case, right?) about abuse. His last post even implies the whole thing is just political opportunism with the current president as the true target. Once a coddler of terrible people, always a coddler of terrible people, I suppose.

www.pointandclickbait.com

#183 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-13 02:59 AM

#152
no, that will be the stake in the heart of the GOTP.

#184 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 03:00 AM

As for Moore, here's wishing him the disgrace and obscurity he has worked so hard to earn for himself. Way to go ‘Bama, there may be hope for you yet!

#185 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-12-13 03:01 AM

Total Ballots Cast: 1,346,147
Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812
Voter Turnout: 40.46%

40.46%

When faced with the choice between a Democrat and, well, Roy Moore, three-fifths of Alabamians stayed home.

Three fifths, where have I heard that before?

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-13 03:24 AM

Whoa, whoa whoa...you guys are acting like this race is over...Roy Moore says it isn't!

God wants him to win...the voters simply haven't figured that out yet.

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 03:25 AM

After listening to Roy Moore's counter-claims against his accusers, I've kinda become convinced he's a psychopath. That he doesn't believe the things he's done are wrong. I feel like this is further reinforced by his failure to concede.

In all honesty, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Moore has a cabin somewhere with a basement full of dead girls.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 03:29 AM

youtu.be

#189 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 04:46 AM

#183
terrific link, btw.

#190 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 05:10 AM

MAD

He really doesn't believe the things he did are wrong. That's what makes him a sociopath ~ no conscience. Trump shares the same pathology. The other pathology they share is 'it's always somebody else's fault' and 'everybody else is a liar.'

Thankfully, America dodged the bullet one more time. Now we can get down to the business of removing that other cyst on America's backside.

#191 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 05:32 AM

But if recent history serves as a lesson, the Duke lacrosse team case should serve as a cautionary tale.

#100 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-12-13 12:02 AM | REPLY

I'm not sure why you think that since the one of the prostitutes who the rich kids assaulted committed a crime a few years later it means they invited her over to help them bake cookies for their moms or to help them study for their exams...

#192 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-13 05:33 AM

"He really doesn't believe the things he did are wrong."

To me, that's what really made him scary. If he was doing this sort of thing as a local AL politician, one has to wonder what he would have done had he been elected to a position where he would have had far more power and influence.

"I'm not sure why you think that since the one of the prostitutes who the rich kids assaulted committed a crime a few years later it means they invited her over to help them bake cookies for their moms or to help them study for their exams..."

They invited her over to do her J-O-B...that's a matter of record.

Or are you asserting that the Duke team did something wrong or illegal?

#193 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 05:44 AM

MAD

" one has to wonder what he would have done had he been elected to a position where he would have had far more power and influence."

The inner demon would be released (commensurate with his age, of course). His staff would need a suit of armor.

#194 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 05:50 AM

MAD

"To me, that's what really made him scary."

That all comes with being a judge. They're arrogant. I remember getting fined for contempt of court once when I said to an overbearing judge, "I always thought God wore a white robe."

#195 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 06:06 AM

those ppl have brainwashed themselves...not psychopathy.

#196 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 06:37 AM

Hey Donny Doll Hands....

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Wait, that might be a bit insensitive....

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

---- you.

#197 | Posted by 726 at 2017-12-13 06:48 AM

those ppl have brainwashed themselves...not psychopathy.

Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 06:37 AM | Reply

They are country bumpkins dear, country bumpkins.

#198 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-13 06:51 AM

"...Are you going to dumb down what happened with Mary Jo Kopechne as simply "died in a car accident"?" - #173 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-12-13 01:25 AM

Michael Dutton Douglas simply died in a car accident.

#199 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-13 07:14 AM

This is the best news since the Republican efforts to destroy Obamacare failed. Next up kill the GOP tax bill.

#200 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-13 07:18 AM

"This is the best news since the Republican efforts to destroy Obamacare failed."

best news for who? Roy Moore was pure gold for Democrats...now he's gone. On the other hand, he was wart on the face of the republican party...now he's gone.

So which party is the biggest winner?

#201 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 07:29 AM

God: 'Roy Moore, you're done, you lost, get out'.

RM; 'Imma wait to see what God's will is.'

God; 'I am God and this is my will.'

RM; 'Imma get a second opinion.'

#202 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-13 07:36 AM

Moore kind of struck me as someone who thought he saw god every time he looked in a mirror.

#203 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 07:47 AM

Exactly.

Did you happen to notice his crowd? It looks like Trump's crowd. This is the crowd that demographics says will be dying off.

#204 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-13 07:49 AM

Three fifths, where have I heard that before? - #186 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-13 03:24 AM
That was the
Three-Fifths Compromise where southern states wanted black slaves to be counted as full people for government representation, but northern states wanted them counted as nothing. The compromise was to count them as 3/5ths of a person.

#205 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-12-13 08:30 AM

now he's gone.
So which party is the biggest winner?

#201 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-12-13 07:29 AM | FLAG:

I'd have to say the party who's leaders didn't make robocalls for a known pedophile and who's national party didn't kick in a load of cash to prop up a known pedophile is the winner.

Since your asked I'm sure you don't see it that way though.

#206 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-12-13 08:58 AM

That was the Three-Fifths Compromise where southern states wanted black slaves to be counted as full people for government representation ON BEHALF OF THEIR WHITE SLAVE OWNERS, but northern states DID NOT WANT TO GRANT SLAVE OWNERS ADDITIONAL SEATS IN CONGRESS BASED ON A POPULATION THEY DEPRIVED OF ANY MEANINGFUL POLITICAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS TO FURTHER THEIR EXPLOITATION OF HUMAN BEINGS AS PROPERTY. The compromise was to count them as 3/5ths of a person.

#205 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2017-12-13 08:30 AM | REPLY

FTFY you disingenuous sack of Moore.

#207 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-13 09:36 AM

"I'd have to say the party who's leaders didn't make robocalls for a known pedophile and who's national party didn't kick in a load of cash to prop up a known pedophile is the winner."

I disagree. Had Moore been elected, the Dems would rightly have a target to point at and say "this is your republican." I get that as a progressive, you're not going to care. You're always going to support the Democratic candidate. But for those independents who may swing either way, Roy Moore is a very compelling reason why not to vote Republican.

Smerconish is actually talking about this very thing on the radio right now, echoing the same sentiments.

#208 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 09:46 AM

But honestly, everyone wins when Roy Moore loses. Everyone but Roy Moore anyway.

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 09:47 AM

Roy Moore, today, has announced he is retiring from politics to spend more time with some kids.

#210 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-12-13 10:04 AM

The headline should be "Doug Jones Wins Against Republican Write-in".

Current discourse of Roy Moore and politics in the same sentence as anything more than an indictment of his character is a sign of America's political depravity. The "Us vs. Them" of politics needs to change.

#211 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-12-13 10:28 AM

"Roy Moore was pure gold for Democrats...now he's gone." - #201 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 07:29 AM

Not really.

A political ad with Trump giving the child molester his full-throated endorsement will be the gift that keeps on giving.

"Roy Moore is a very compelling reason why not to vote Republican." - #208 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 09:46 AM

And he shall remain so.

#212 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-13 10:46 AM

Alabama has rejected Trump twice. Trump's Hollywood celebrity influence wasn't enough to get a Republican elected in --------------. First Virginia, now Alabama.

#213 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2017-12-13 10:47 AM

Tired of all the winning yet?

#214 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2017-12-13 10:48 AM

"That was the Three-Fifths Compromise where southern states wanted black slaves to be counted as full people for government representation, but northern states wanted them counted as nothing. The compromise was to count them as 3/5ths of a person."

They were considered property by their owners, it was ridiculous for anyone to consider them to be citizens until they were granted citizenship. What percentage of a vote should illegal aliens be given today? To grant the slave owners additional votes because of the "property" they owned in no way conveyed any acknowledgement that the "slaves" were actually equal human beings. Your comment is a pathetic attempt to defend the slave owners' attempt to gain power by increasing the significance of their own vote based on property rights, the property being slaves.

#215 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-13 10:49 AM

Alabama has rejected Trump twice. Trump's Hollywood celebrity influence wasn't enough to get a Republican elected in --------------. First Virginia, now Alabama.

#213 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Fake News.

Trump's Hollywood celebrity influence was enough to get Doug Jones elected in a very very Red State. :)

#216 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-13 11:07 AM

#201 all that argument is is saying you love having egg on your face because you don't need a fork to eat.

The GOP has shown, in both the ACA repeal and tax "reform" debacles, that they give exactly two ----- about public perception. It's all about votes to ram stuff through with simple majorities. Because they'd never pass with the traditional 60 votes. This makes that much harder to do as they now can only lose one vote.

#217 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-13 11:12 AM

In the perverse republican ideology this was a win-win scenario.

Moore wins: They get another RWNJ in the Senate
Moore loses: The Dems don't have a punching bag in the Senate

The truth is it was a lose-lose for them

Moore wins: Dems can point to the racist pedophile senator as proof of GOP depravity

Moore loses: Dems win a senate seat in --------------

#218 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-13 11:22 AM

I hope Jones casts the vote that kills republican tax reform

#219 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-12-13 11:23 AM

I'm pretty surprised Jones won, but not surprised it was so close. White Alabamans care only for the candidate who will continue their glorious heritage of unintelligent, racist, religious conservatism.

#220 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-12-13 11:45 AM

RE: #212 | Posted by Hans at 2017-12-13 10:46 AM

Absolutely correct. The time to desert that sinking ship has long passed. Anyone onboard yesterday is "tarred" for a long time.

If one thinks otherwise, how does that explain how the GOP still uses Bill/Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter, etc. etc.?

No, any attempt to walk back support for Roy Moore (you know who we're talking about, right?) just draws more attention to what was said/done. It's a gift that will give for quite awhile.

#221 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-12-13 11:53 AM

"What percentage of a vote should illegal aliens be given today?"

None. But yet they are counted.

www.washingtontimes.com

#222 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-13 12:03 PM

Washington Times? REally? I'd be embarrassed to admit I got my news from such a source.

#223 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-13 12:05 PM

"This makes that much harder to do as they now can only lose one vote."

Sorry to tell you but Strange will continue to sit as Senator until the end of the year so this election will not have any affect on the vote for the tax cut for the 1%.

#224 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-13 12:07 PM

#223 "Washington Times? REally? I'd be embarrassed to admit I got my news from such a source."

Wow, that was a lame, knee-jerk, ad hominem response. The name of the case was Evenwel v. Abbott. Feel free to look it up using any source you want.

#225 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-13 12:10 PM

First Virginia, now Alabama.

#213 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Trends have to start somewhere.

#226 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-13 12:43 PM

Sorry to tell you but Strange will continue to sit as Senator until the end of the year so this election will not have any affect on the vote for the tax cut for the 1%.

#224 | POSTED BY DANNI

they are saying the votes could be certified in little as one week.

I've only just found out that all the big companies in Bama are pushing for the vote to be certified asap. All of them despise Roy Moore, which makes me wonder why they didn't say so before the election.

#227 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-13 12:46 PM

Contrary to the liars campaign promises, EVERY LOSS by Trump, is a victory for the 99%.

One of the Republican tricks is to conflate sexual/marital misconduct with illegal sexual aggression, including statutory rape.

Franken and Franks are guilty of misconduct or you might say offending our sensibilities. Clinton violated his marriage vows, nothing more.

Moore and Trump are most likely guilty of statutory rape, but protected by statutes of limitations. Trump has bought silence against many women he has "grabbed" and is on record admitting to doing this frequently, as a privileged celebrity.

No one should be forced to resign because for being stupid (except Trump!). Criminal charges in the other matter should have been brought in a timely manner where appropriate. But, unfortunately, across the country accusations of rape and attempted rape are not taken seriously as evidenced by thousands of unprocessed rape kits. In Congress there is a serious problem of laws or regulations authored by Congress, to protect Congressman from such charges. They need to be eliminated.

#228 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-12-13 12:53 PM

DANNI

That's true.

The Attorney General of Alabama has given notice that he's going to delay Jones' certification for 2 weeks instead of the usual 9 days. Mitch McConnell has said Jones won't be seated until 2018.

Once again, the Republicans play dirty pool. We should have expected it.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Jones will be the one casting the vote when the bills come up to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Hopefully, by then, the House will have changed hands anyway. Hopefully.

The 'pubs have given the Democrats plenty of ammunition.

#229 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-13 12:59 PM

"All of them despise Roy Moore, which makes me wonder why they didn't say so before the election."

If he had won then they'd have been totally screwed then.

#230 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-12-13 02:25 PM

#230 If he'd have won they could have made a show of expelling him and the Gov would have appointed his replacement until the next special election. Either way, the Senate math would have stayed in tact while they replaced him. There's a reason RNC money started flowing back to him at the 11th hour. They were never really against his election. They were against being seen to be in favor of his election.

#231 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-12-13 03:47 PM

"So which party is the biggest winner?
#201 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

Libertarians?
The only thing they have ever done is whine.

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-13 04:33 PM

#204
WE HAVE A BINGO.

#233 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 06:07 PM

#208 ---- Smerconish. he better get his act together.

#234 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-13 06:11 PM

"The only thing they have ever done is whine."

The Democratic Socialists still carry the baton when it comes to whining.

"#208 ---- Smerconish. he better get his act together."

Are you drunk right now?

#235 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-13 08:17 PM

Sweet. It's almost enough to make me move back home.

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