Tuesday, November 28, 2017

Elizabeth Warren’s Pocahontas Pickle

If she decides to challenge President Trump in 2020, Warren will have to relitigate a controversy that first ignited in 2012.

When President Donald Trump casually invoked "Pocahontas" during a ceremony honoring Native Americans on Monday, Washington's political class swiftly went into its familiar and usually unfulfilling ritual of trying to decipher his deeper intentions.

Was he attempting to purposefully distract media coverage away from the White House's skirmish with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Was he simply reaching for cheap levity among a group he was largely unfamiliar with?

Or did he view it as an irresistible opportunity to strike at a reoccurring political nemesis who he views as a gathering threat to his re-election prospects in 2020?

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Trump's reignition of the racially-charged slight reinforced his complete disregard for politically correct boundaries. It illustrated his affinity for branding his opponents with pithy nicknames in order to degrade their stature. But it also reopened a controversy for Warren that even some Democrats say she mishandled during her 2012 campaign.

While they didn't call her "Pocahontas" in 2012, Republicans seized on a report during her first campaign that Warren listed herself as Native American at Harvard Law School, raising questions of whether she claimed minority status in order to gain an advantage in attaining an Ivy League professorship. A Fordham Law Review piece later described her as Harvard Law School's "first woman of color."

Slow to respond and lacking any tangible proof of her heritage, Warren relied on anecdotal stories within her family, noting her grandfather's "high cheekbones."

The New England Historical Genealogical Society, which originally said there was evidence Warren was 1/32 American Indian, later recanted the claim.

"We have no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great great great grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent," the group's spokesman said.

But while only Trump knows his true motive, those close to Warren are clearly sensitive about that attack and realize it will be resurrected if she decides to reach for the presidency.

Trump has proven to have a keen sense for identifying a candidate's weak spot and pounding away at it so it becomes a central part of their being, no matter the veracity.

In 2016, there was "Crooked Hillary", "Low Energy Jeb," "Lyin' Ted," and "Little Marco."

In 2020, he could wield "Pocahontas," to paint Warren as an inauthentic phony.

Payne says the lessons from her 2012 experience, coupled with Trump, should be to respond quickly with a concise answer.

Comments

This pretty much sums it up:

"If she runs nationally, she'll perhaps have to explain it in other places," he says. "She'll have to explain why she listed it and what she hoped would be the benefit of it and then go on to other things and make people understand this is the way Trump operates. Make sure people understand Trump is just using it as a way to deflect criticism of him. He uses cheap tricks for the press. He doesn't hesitate to act like an 8-year-old."

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 08:39 PM

Not very smart to respond to Trump's barb. Just opened the doors to an reexamination of her claims to be a "minority professor."

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-28 08:47 PM

#2

You're such a redneck.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-28 08:56 PM

#2

I don't see where she has a choice, Trump's ardent followers loves them some nicknames, and not responding will just make it worse.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 08:59 PM

"I don't see where she has a choice, Trump's ardent followers loves them some nicknames, and not responding will just make it worse."

And none of those idiots would ever vote for Elizabeth Warren anyway. Meanwhile Trump is trying to kill the CPFB which caught Wells Fargo stealing from millions many of whom were probably Trump voters, Elizabeth Warren was largely responsible for creating the CPFB. So, question my use of the term "idiots" but the facts speak for themselves.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-28 09:06 PM

I agree that if the 2020 election is a referendum on whether casual racism is acceptable, Republicans will win again.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-28 09:09 PM

I disagree Snoofy, it's a referendum on whether or now we will tolerate stolen elections. That is really all the Republicans have and Democrats seem to be too stupid to even discuss it openly much less do anything about it.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-28 09:11 PM

I don't see where she has a choice, Trump's ardent followers loves them some nicknames, and not responding will just make it worse.
#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Well if its in her favor then responding is the goto move, but if the truth is as represented by CNN n 2016...

Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory. Critics note that she had not done that in her student applications and during her time as a teacher at the University of Texas.

I think she should remain quite....
edition.cnn.com

They touted her as Native American, which by her own admission is 1/32, even I have more Native American blood than she does.
www.thecrimson.com

#2
You're such a redneck.
#3 | POSTED BY ZED

You can't see how the situation is "game" theory, you have to personally attack people that have differing opinions. Odd way to see the world.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-28 09:13 PM

Danni, my belief on that is people generally don't mind stealing when it benefits them.
So that just makes it a referendum on whether the thief did a good job with what he stole; i.e. how's the economy doing. Which is what decides most elections.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-28 09:14 PM

#6

What about if the 2020 election is about cultural appropriation, who wins then?

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 09:15 PM

I disagree Snoofy, it's a referendum on whether or now we will tolerate stolen elections.
#7 | POSTED BY DANNI

Then Democrats will surly lose, stolen elections is so 2000. Which BTW is when liberals lost their minds IMO, they completely went off the deep end, or perhaps they exposed their hatred for the country which continues to this day.

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-28 09:16 PM

"What about if the 2020 election is about cultural appropriation, who wins then?"

Probably Republicans, because who actually cares about cultural appropriation? Certainly not any GOP voter, including the ones who voted third party this time.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-28 09:17 PM

#12

I was just throwing a little bit of your snark back at ya Snoofy, but I do agree with your point here and in #9.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-28 09:19 PM

#8

You're a redneck, too. The term means something in specific concerning a subcultural norm. You do indeed have an odd way to see the world. One that is every bit a destructive to American Life as native fascism was prior to 12/07/1941. You're the same sort of people.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2017-11-28 09:27 PM

#8 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Hey Andreà,

You have any proof Elizabeth Warren isn't who she claims to be?

Or are allegations all you got??

Nulli can help you, if you let him up for air.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 12:36 AM

#15

Pretty sure the burden of proof isn't on Andrea.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-29 01:16 AM

#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Isn't it thought, with regards to this thread and comments made?

#17 | Posted by memyselfini at 2017-11-29 02:03 AM

Pretty sure the burden of proof isn't on Andrea.
#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I'm pretty sure Andreà is the one posting a bunch of allegations.

But don't worry. Nulli or Andreà will be by to give you a newsworthy.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 03:19 AM

The burden is on Warren. There is no proof. The geneologists the claimed proof recanted.

Common myth. Racist, but common.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-29 07:02 AM

they exposed their hatred for the country which continues to this day.

Congratulations on helping to drag the country down through your hatred of the other side, Andrea. Honestly I thought you were better than this garbage.

#20 | Posted by dylanfan at 2017-11-29 09:23 AM

"Honestly I thought you were better than this garbage."

Andrea?

All that poster does is barf garbage, and then pretend it came from someone else's mouth.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-29 09:32 AM

Warren should offer Trump a challenge.... She takes a DNA test when Trump releases his tax returns.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-29 09:45 AM

it's a referendum on whether or now we will tolerate stolen elections. That is really all the Republicans have and Democrats seem to be too stupid to even discuss it openly much less do anything about it.

It's only a "referendum" in your mind, Danni. No one disputes the election but liberal idiots like you. Nevermind that we don't have a "democracy" like you wish we did and keep claiming rules that we don't elect our leaders by...

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-29 10:01 AM

She takes a DNA test when Trump releases his tax returns

Can we throw in Obama's school records? No?

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-29 10:01 AM

This would be the same as calling Cory Booker Sambo or Kunta Kinte.

I'm not surprised that the non racists who post here are giddy about him doing it. They are probably anxious for him to kick it up a notch already.

#25 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-29 10:14 AM

"Honestly I thought you were better than this garbage."

Andrea?

All that poster does is barf garbage, and then pretend it came from someone else's mouth.

#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

It's hilarious to me when someone here types something like:

"I thought you were better than that..."

I don't think any of you are "better than that..." In fact, I know none of you are.

Myself included.

#26 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-11-29 10:17 AM

This would be the same as calling Cory Booker Sambo or Kunta Kinte.

Cory Booker isn't black?

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-29 10:41 AM

Can we throw in Obama's school records? No?

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-29 10:01 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

sure can. next.

#28 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-29 10:52 AM

No one disputes the election but liberal idiots like you.

So, the majority of voters.

Cool.

Thanks for clearing that up. Bozo.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 11:14 AM

"It's only a "referendum" in your mind, Danni. No one disputes the election but liberal idiots like you."

That you won't accept the truth because your side was awarded victory is meaningless. You believe all sorts of things that are entirely disprovable but that doesn't stop you from believing them. I'll guarantee you that if you were in a room alone with Kris Kobach he'd lean over and whisper in your ear, "Danni's right but don't ever admit I told you so."

#30 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 11:14 AM

Can we throw in Obama's school records? No?

You want his birth certificate too?

Moron.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 11:15 AM

Why are stolen elections only the ones that occurred before and after President Obama.
Did the Republicans forget those two elections?

#32 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-11-29 12:05 PM

"Why are stolen elections only the ones that occurred before and after President Obama."

Be honest, do Democrats get voter suppression laws passed, do we support the dishonest Interstate Crosscheck program? Was it Democrats who refused for years to allow a paper train on Florida's electronic voting machines? Republicans can't win elections without cheating, them's the facts, like or not.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 12:11 PM

Donald Trump Even Lies About Being Swedish (He's Actually German)

A Swedish website teases the world's most famous comb-over for continuing to peddle his grandfather's fake origin story.

www.thedailybeast.com

Trump's dad lied about his heritage to benefit his business

The Trumps have a "Pocahontas" chapter of their own.

www.metro.us

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 12:27 PM

Awarded victory? We WON according to our system of Government. So sorry we aren't a MOB democracy like your wish list countries.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-29 12:29 PM

Sometimes I think Trump says this sh$t just to taunt people: Hey, look at what I can get away with but you can't:

Trump incorrectly claimed to be Swedish for decades

theweek.com

Trump's family denied German heritage for years

www.cnn.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 12:30 PM

"So sorry we aren't a MOB democracy like your wish list countries."

During the time after the 2000 election and before the SC decision which awarded the Presidency to Bush, Republicans acted out mobocracy at the Dade Co. Elections Supervisors office.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 12:31 PM

Hey Donald, you're a -----. Own it. LOL (I'm German on my mother's side, FWIW).

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 12:33 PM

Awarded victory? We WON according to our system of Government. So sorry we aren't a MOB democracy like your wish list countries.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So if the EU wants to fund tons of ads for the Dems in 2020, you are cool with it, right?

And if Anonymous hacks the Trump/RNC and releases all their dirty laundry, you are cool with it, right?

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-29 12:36 PM

I just don't see this playing well with Moderates and Liberals. And certainly, Warren has a lot to throw back at him.

Should discuss nicknames for Trump? Groper in Chief? PeeTUS? Cheeto Mussolini?

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-29 12:40 PM

"Sometimes I think Trump says this sh$t just to taunt people"

He also does it to distract us. The media gets caught up with this petty BS, the latest shiny object, and doesn't cover the far more important policy issues before the country (tax cuts, the budget, healthcare, undermining the State Dept, pushing through hordes of conservative judges). It's the same thing that happened over and over again during the election. A year out and we are all still falling for it. Shame one us. How many times are we, collectively, going to let this con man make fools of us? Ad infinitum apparently.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 12:46 PM

"Be honest, do Democrats get voter suppression laws passed, do we support the dishonest Interstate Crosscheck program? Was it Democrats who refused for years to allow a paper train on Florida's electronic voting machines? Republicans can't win elections without cheating, them's the facts, like or not."

Danni, I don't know if this has been posted here:

As Va. sets to certify election results, expert says ‘something really went wrong'

wtop.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 12:50 PM

There is nothing Elizabeth Warren could do or say to inoculate herself from Trump's stupidity in 2020. He's a dumbass who says dumbass things that appeal to dumbasses.

#43 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 12:51 PM

#33 - you didn't answer the question, Danni, but that was expected.

The R's stole elections, but not during Obama's two runs.

You constantly rant about stolen elections. How do you explain Obama's two wins if the R's steal elections.

Did they take time off during those elections?

Your arguments about fixing the races fail so terribly in view of those two wins.

Find another reason for the losses, but you sound so foolish crying voting suppression.

#44 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-11-29 12:55 PM

How do you explain Obama's two wins if the R's steal elections.

I'm not calling any elections stolen, but your logic is flimsy. Just because a house wasn't burglarized once doesn't mean it was never burglarized.

Obama won by huge margins. It would obviously be harder to steal elections that aren't close.

#45 | Posted by rcade at 2017-11-29 01:17 PM

#36 Sometimes I think Trump says this sh$t just to taunt people: Hey, look at what I can get away with but you can't

~boaz

No, you're wrong again. Anyone can be a heckling idiot and say that stuff. Its just that a lot of people aren't shameless and they actually care about the way they behave. Those people want to be positive role models for the younger people to follow - unlike this raging idiot we now call president.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-29 01:23 PM

"Your arguments about fixing the races fail so terribly in view of those two wins.
Find another reason for the losses, but you sound so foolish crying voting suppression."

"Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix?"

www.truth-out.org

Quite a few people have investigated the 2008 election and came to the conclusion that it was stolen in Ohio.

In 2016 there were enough minority voters disenfranchised just by Interstate Crosscheck alone to have flipped the outcomes in three swing states that gave Trump victory. I realize you would never admit that but it is still the truth.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 01:38 PM

#36 Sometimes I think Trump says this sh$t just to taunt people: Hey, look at what I can get away with but you can't
~boaz

I'm the one who made that comment. Don't think I'm wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 01:39 PM

There is nothing Elizabeth Warren could do or say to inoculate herself from Trump's stupidity in 2020. He's a dumbass who says dumbass things that appeal to dumbasses.

Holy ----!

I love this.

😂🤣😂

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-29 01:47 PM

Quite a few people have investigated the 2008 election and came to the conclusion that it was stolen in Ohio...
#47 | POSTED BY DANNI

2008? Did you mean 2004?

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-11-29 02:13 PM

"2008? Did you mean 2004?"

Yes, I put the wrong year. Senior moment.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-29 02:18 PM

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

EXTREMELY newsworthy!

FTA:

"It's likely that people were being misassigned to districts at least since 2011," McDonald said. "There are just odd patterns in the election results."

Even in this election, one precinct in Fredericksburg shows only a single vote cast in the 88th District race.

"When I look at the election results, I see patterns to say that this was something that was systemic, that was happening over multiple elections. We don't know if there are other districts that have been affected in Fredericksburg, other elections that may have been effected as well," McDonald said.

The issue was only exposed this year after Democratic voters who knew what district they were supposed to be voting in complained about getting the wrong ballot. A city attorney told Fredericksburg elections officials to keep the polls open.

Based on what is already known, before any additional investigations, this basic elections issue could have a larger impact than many other more high profile issues, especially since a recount or redo of the 28th District election could swing control of the House of Delegates from Republicans to Democrats.

"The possibility of people who've been misassigned to a precinct is greater than the incidence of voter fraud in Virginia at this point, so ... if we're worried about different aspects of elections, why would we place more emphasis on one potential problem, which might be fraud, over another one, which actually has a larger effect, which is a misassignment of voters," McDonald said.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 04:12 PM

FTA:
"It's likely that people were being misassigned to districts at least since 2011," McDonald said. "There are just odd patterns in the election results."
Even in this election, one precinct in Fredericksburg shows only a single vote cast in the 88th District race.

Potentially a whole new, and previously undetected, way of cheating, right?!?

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-11-29 04:21 PM

Potentially a whole new, and previously undetected, way of cheating, right?!?

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

This should definitely be looked into. When I saw that someone had said: "There are just odd patterns in the election results."

My spidey sense went crazy.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-29 04:32 PM

Gerrymandering 2.0

#55 | Posted by bored at 2017-11-29 08:57 PM

So if the EU wants to fund tons of ads for the Dems in 2020, you are cool with it, right?
And if Anonymous hacks the Trump/RNC and releases all their dirty laundry, you are cool with it, right?
#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-29 12:36 PM

If the EU funded ads which broke our campaign finance laws, I'd expect that we'd take appropriate legal action. If, however, the EU funded ads which supported neither campaign, but instead fomented division in different social/ethnic/generational groups, I don't think that our laws prevent that, and honestly I wouldn't be all that broken up about it. Weak-minded folks are going to be swayed by ads targeted at the weak-minded weather they are funded by inside or outside this country. Those very same EU funds, being spent on ads by a dual EU/US citizen are perfectly fine with you then?

I'm not ok with breaking laws to hack someone's information. I'm perfectly fine with the release of true/unadulterated emails. As an informed voter, I'd prefer as much information as possible. Why would anyone be against the airing of any group's dirty laundry? Is 'my side' so important to you that you'll ignore their ethical/legal/moral deficiencies?

#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 06:36 AM

whether

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-30 06:36 AM

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