Monday, November 27, 2017

General: 40 Years Wasted If Trump Lies Represents U.S.

ShareBlue: Donald Trump's relentless attacks on the free press, and on the very of notions of truth and facts, are thoroughly antithetical to the principles of our democracy. And as one four-star general noted plainly and disturbingly, they call into question who we even are overall as a nation. Retired U.S. Air Force General Michael Hayden, who also served as director of the National Security Agency and later of the CIA, offered a stunning assessment of how Trump's lies and hostility to the first amendment make him view his life's work in service to the country if they now represent who we truly are. "If this is who we are or who we are becoming, I have wasted 40 years of my life. Until now it was not possible for me to conceive of an American president capable of such an outrageous assault on truth, a free press or the first amendment." Hayden has given over 40 years of his life in service to the nation, through multiple administrations both Republican and Democratic.

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That a man who spent decades in the military, earning over two dozen awards and decorations, and served another decade in the intelligence community, fears all of his years of service could come to be for nought in the Trump era is nothing short of frightening. The press that Trump so snidely derides has proven itself to be far more crucial to the security of this country and its citizens than Trump ever has, or likely ever will. And military leaders and intelligence officials like Hayden have consistently pushed back on Trump's hollow patriotism.

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"Retired U.S. Air Force General Michael Hayden, who also served as Director of the National Security Agency and later of the CIA, offered a stunning assessment of how Trump's lies and hostility to the first amendment make him view his life's work in service to the country if they now represent who we truly are"

You think the retired general who served as director of the NSA and the CIA would know a thing or two about lies???

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-26 09:13 PM

MIDTOWNCONSPIRACYTHEORYNUT any idiot can grab a list like that off the internet but it doesn't address the fact that we have a paranoid lunatic in the White House.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-27 07:04 AM

But the more complete honest picture is we live in a fake Democracy, also known as an Oligarchy. It will remain so until the commercial broadcasting system and campaign funding process is dramatically changed so that every vote is equal and the ""general welfare mandate of our constitution is taken seriously. Ho Chi Minh loved our Constitution more than any Libertarian and most Republicans.

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-27 07:55 AM

#6, midtown

Ho Chi Minh's only agenda was to unite Vietnam. He pursued that goal at enormous personal sacrifice, demanding the same of his troops. His alliance with so-called Communist regimes, like China and Russia, were incidental to that larger goal. It's an interesting point I picked up from watching some of the recent Vietnam documentary on PBS. Castro was in the same position in respect that he also depended on those allies to prevent being overrun and killed by the United States. But were Stalin or Mao really Communist, or just paranoid, tyrannical, vicious, dictators?

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-11-27 08:14 AM

You think the retired general who served as director of the NSA and the CIA would know a thing or two about lies???

#1 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2017-11-26 09:13 PM | REPLY |

He is intimately familiar with them. He signed off on the 2002 intelligence report Iraq had WMDs. The articles about his testimony to congress are still up on HuffPo.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-27 09:34 AM

Frankly, this new found Democratic reverence for the Deep State is really shocking considering how consistently awful they have been for the US.

#2 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

So this guy was part of the Deep State and that means he's wrong?

Yes, the Deep State was bad. But that's not the topic.

Honestly, was there a point you were trying to make? Because you are embarrassing yourself.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-27 09:46 AM

"So this guy was part of the Deep State and that means he's wrong?
#10 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "
And I thought the Danforth character was slow. YES. That is exactly my point. A guy that has been consistently wrong and/or lies about everything probably should not be taken seriously now just because his opinion aligns with your political party. If a guy lies 9 times out of 10, you might want to assess his credibility.
#11 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

So tell us where HE in particular has been wrong.

Then tell us how he is wrong now.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-27 10:56 AM

All he is offering is his opinion, nothing factual. Given his track record, I am saying his opinion is worth ----.
#13 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

That's a perfect description for you.

Loud mouth spouting nothing factual. Only opinions. Which aren't worth ----.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-27 11:41 AM

I heard Obama made the Deep State fakenews! the moon landing to turn college kids into genderless cultural marxists. Midtownlandlord told me.

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-27 11:47 AM

"So tell us where HE in particular has been wrong.
Then tell us how he is wrong now.
#12 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "
All he is offering is his opinion, nothing factual. Given his track record, I am saying his opinion is worth ----.
#13 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

So essentially you can't tell us he was wrong specifically in the past or is wrong now.

Thank you for wasting all of our time.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-27 12:33 PM

So where was the good general during the campaign?

#17 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-11-27 08:31 PM

@MIDTOWNLANDLORD
Screw you for making me go the extra steps to actually have to log in so I could killfile you and not have to read your drivel.

#18 | Posted by deadseasquirrel at 2017-11-27 09:29 PM

#18

If you're not logged in you'll see his posts.

Kill file only works once you log in.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-11-27 09:50 PM

"Frankly, this new found Democratic reverence for the Deep State is really shocking considering how consistently awful they have been for the US. "

Idiots like this were the biggest believers in the "intel" which led us to war in Iraq. They were the first to call those of us opposed to it traitors. When the war went south and the error of their ways became to obvious to deny they just started pretending it was the "deep state." It's just a new talking point (lie) to excuse them for their support for the Iraq invasion and occupation.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-27 10:11 PM

A few years from now they will have new talking points (lies) to use denying they ever supported Trump. They are consistently on the wrong side of history because they are stupid.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-27 10:12 PM

A few years from now they will have new talking points (lies) to use denying they ever supported Trump. They are consistently on the wrong side of history because they are stupid.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI

I'm beginning to think stupid is the wrong word for them. I think "primitive" might be a better word. They're "pre-civilizationists". They reject the responsibilities of civilization, like paying taxes and engaging in legitimate debate. All there is is "winning". For the "tribe". The details don't matter. They are anti-modernists. They would love to repeal the 20th Century.

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-11-28 09:31 PM

"I'm beginning to think stupid is the wrong word for them. I think "primitive" might be a better word."

Some, like Boaz, that does seem right. But most of the rest, I don't think so. I've watched where I work as folks express their opinions. You'd be surprised at how many say that since our boss is a Republican then they are voting Republican. I've got nothing against my boss but to pretend that what is good for him is good for me or the other employees is stupid but that is how they view the world. They look for "father figures" like Fox News to tell them what to think about issues too complicated for them to bother trying to understand and they like it that Fox (Hannity) will tell them how to think so then they don't have to think and they can go back to mindless TV, games, etc.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-28 09:46 PM

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