Thursday, November 23, 2017

This Wasn't In Your Kid's Thanksgiving Play

Year after year, elementary school children create paper turkeys and dress up as Pilgrims and Indians to re-create the original Thanksgiving feast. The portrayal suggests a great celebration between survivors of the Mayflower, who established Plymouth Colony, and friendly Native Americans from the Wampanoag tribe. ... "When Indians harvested, the thanks went to the land and the beings that provided themselves as food. That's a very fundamental indigenous belief, that we thank those beings that support our livelihood," [American Indian studies professor Ronald] Trosper says. "Then at dinner there was no prayer, they just started eating. They already thanked the land when they harvested. And they did not thank the Lord for providing the food, because the food came from the land, it did not come from the Christian God. At Thanksgiving, people celebrate the Christian God."


"A lot of people have put forth images of what Thanksgiving is really about, seeming to say that Natives were welcoming the settlers and providing them food. Well, they were generous and they did provide food, but it was not reciprocated," Trosper says. ...

"Very often the indigenous people said, 'We're happy to share the land with you if you accept our sovereignty over it and if you take care of it the way we want you to take care of it.' But that wasn't part of the picture."


The Anasazi Indians deforested the southwest, wiping out their culture and from the artifacts suffered from cannibalism. Aztecs had massive executions.

The idea of a noble savage is a fallacy.

They were as cautious, kind and revengeful as any European, they in a word were Human, with all the good and the bad. They waged war among themselves. Scalped each other, and raped and pillaged their foes. They, like European counterparts were nomadic, until the tribes were large enough then settled into cities and towns. They raped the land, to the capacity of their technology, like any other society. Given the numbers of people in the US, we are more environmentally sound than the Indians.

Study the Aztecs, the Anasazi .... Other than time difference, there is not much difference than studying the Etruscan's or Spartans in their struggles and interactions with nature.

Again, Thanksgiving has to be a political stone, that one side was the greedy, the other benevolent.

It would be sad, if it weren't so pathetically wrapped in self hatred, and self immolation.

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-23 10:58 AM

3 things to be thankful for on Thanksgiving:

1) Hillary Rodham isn't President
2) Hillary Rodham isn't President
3) Hillary Rodham isn't President

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-23 11:12 AM

"3 things to be thankful for on Thanksgiving:"

You prove daily that you are out of your mind and a complete joke!

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-23 11:49 AM

It would be sad, if it weren't so pathetically wrapped in self hatred, and self immolation.


Oh! So THAT is why you voted for Trump. You hate yourself and you have a deep seated wish to immolate yourself.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Happy Turkey Day to all the other self hating self destructive Trumpets.

And don't worry about the coming year and all indictments yet to come.

Trump has already shown he loves to pardon turkeys.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-23 12:20 PM

Trumpifidian and Andrea Brainless.... turkeys to the end.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-23 12:24 PM

"It would be sad, if it weren't so pathetically wrapped in self hatred, and self immolation."

Recognizing the truth about our history is the opposite of self-hatred, denying it or ignoring it is the definition of self-hatred because not being able to deal with it and replacing history with beautiful fantasy is pathetic. That is what Andrea seems to think is the right way for Americans to view Thanksgiving and even Columbus Day.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-23 01:06 PM

---Recognizing the truth about our history

Of course you know "the truth" and anyone who disagrees with you doesn't. Got it.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-23 01:08 PM

The people who were here before European settlement were treated horribly but mythologizing them now won't change that. They weren't angels, their religions were just as much as waste of resources as any other and they were no strangers to inflicting cruelty on others. That said, they didn't deserve to be robbed and slaughtered and more can and should be done to help people living on reservations now.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-23 01:32 PM

Wasnt there a thread on here where it showed what we call "indigenous people" wiped out the people they found when they came to this continent?

#9 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-11-23 01:34 PM

"The idea of a noble savage is a fallacy."

Not a fallacy.
A myth.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-23 01:34 PM

--You prove daily that you are out of your mind and a complete joke!


I hope your turkey is drier than sawdust and your gravy lumpy.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-23 04:41 PM

Thanksgiving is based on two three maybe four events that actually took place. And yes in one of them natives did eat food the pilgrims had grown as part of a Festival.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2017-11-23 06:46 PM

Time to get rid of the damn reservations. Split the property up amongst the remaining Indians that live on the reservation, make sure they know their social security number, get rid of the subsidies altogether, and tell them to sink or swim. Time for them to start paying their fair share. No more hiding behind their own laws.

#13 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-11-24 08:40 PM

No more hiding behind their own laws.

Very true. Might as well break all the treaties, rather than just most of them.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-11-24 08:42 PM


What do the Anasazi have to do with Thanksgiving?

#15 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-11-25 12:04 AM

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