Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Reich: The Poor Are Being Barred from Voting

Robert Reich: Hundreds of thousands of Americans are being denied the right to vote because they are poor. In nine states, Republican legislators have enacted laws that disenfranchise anyone with outstanding legal fees or court fines. For example, in Alabama more than 100,000 people who owe money -- roughly 3 percent of the state's voting-age population -- have been struck from voting rolls. This is unconstitutional. In 1964, the 24th amendment abolished the poll tax, a Jim Crow tactic used to bar poor blacks from voting. These new laws are a modern reincarnation of that unconstitutional system, disproportionately disenfranchising people of color.

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Income and wealth should have no bearing on the right to vote. Many Americans are struggling to make ends meet. But they still have a constitutional right to make their voices heard.

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This is Election fraud and a violation of the constitution. The Alt-right rubes that came up with this and our doing this need to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-11-22 09:01 AM


Raising taxes on the middle class and the poor, cutting the taxes of the wealthy and corporations, then preventing the poor from voting.

It is becoming more and more clear just what the Republicans stand for nowadays.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-22 09:22 AM

How much attention should we pay to an opinion piece with no citations to prove the claims made? Even if it is completely true, it presents such a weak argument as to be worthless. How difficult would it have been for the author to identify those 9 states and what provisions cause the disenfranchisement? Or does that just provide too easy of an opportunity to disprove the opinion?
The one vague citation : "For example, in Alabama more than 100,000 people who owe money – roughly 3 percent of the state's voting-age population – have been struck from voting rolls." doesn't even actually say that those 100k people were struck from voting rolls because they owed money, merely that people were removed from rolls who happened to owe money. A classis correlation/causation fallacy written in a method designed to dis-inform (pretend it is telling you something that it really isn't).

Things like this are why people should be distrustful of their new sources.

#3 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-22 09:34 AM

This article first appeared on RobertReich.org

That should have been your first clue it's fake news.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-22 09:59 AM

"That should have been your first clue it's fake news."

He's got a Nobel Prize in Economics.

And you?

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:03 AM


@#3 ... How difficult would it have been for the author to identify those 9 states ...

If you followed the link in the article, you'd find the states are:

Connecticut
Delaware
Iowa
Tennessee
Arkansas
Georgia
Arizona
Florida
Alabama

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-22 10:05 AM

"How difficult would it have been for the author to identify those 9 states ... "

More difficult that reading the article, that's for sure.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:07 AM

He's got a Nobel Prize in Economics.

And you?

Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:03 AM | Reply

Sadly he doesn't know what that is.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-11-22 10:12 AM

@#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-22 10:05 AM
Thanks for that. Looking back at the Newsweek article, their hyperlinks don't have any sort of indication that they are links on my computer. Hovering over them still pulls it up, though. However, the link goes here for me:
"ERROR

Service Unavailable

The requested service is unavailable.

Please try again later. "

Gonna' head to the googles and see if I can determine what he's describing.

#9 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-22 10:36 AM

"In nine states, Republican legislators have enacted laws "
Connecticut: Democrat controlled House, Senate, and Governor
Deleware: Democrat control of Governor, House, and Senate since 2009

#11 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-22 10:56 AM


@#9 ... their hyperlinks don't have any sort of indication that they are links on my computer. ...

On the newsweek.com site, I see an indication for a hyperlink on the text, "This article first appeared on RobertReich.org." just below the red "Opinion" box.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-11-22 11:17 AM

Yeah, I found it by hovering over it and noticing the link line at the bottom. I'm on a crappy government computer, so I can't always access stuff. Which is probably why the link takes me to ERROR Service Unavailable

#13 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-22 11:24 AM

"He's got a Nobel Prize in Economics."

LOL so did Krugman. AND, Arafat and Obama have Nobel Peace Prizes.

#14 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 12:01 PM

"In nine states, Republican legislators have enacted laws that disenfranchise anyone with outstanding legal fees or court fines"

How is this not "a poll tax or any other kneed of tax," though?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:05 PM

"In nine states, Republican legislators have enacted laws "
Connecticut: Democrat controlled House, Senate, and Governor
Deleware: Democrat control of Governor, House, and Senate since 2009

#11 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Interestingly, the states that are owned by Insurance and Banking industries.

#16 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-11-22 12:24 PM

I get what they are trying to do but Republicans, as usual, fail to adapt to the current culture of America. Democrats have already destroyed any semblance of personal responsibility. Trying to fight against that has already proven to be fruitless. If someone commits a crime and then never pays their legal fees, the Republicans want to find ways to make them pay. Great idea, terrible execution. By now, Reps should know that Dems want people to not take responsibility for their actions and have amended most laws to cater to this thinking. Thinking this would go over well just shows how dumb many Reps really are. It would be like a Dem trying to pass a tax law that doesn't help the rich in some way...it's never going to pass. That's just the culture. You can work to make it more beneficial to others but you can never get rid of any bonus to the rich.

#17 | Posted by humtake at 2017-11-22 12:26 PM

"Democrats have already destroyed any semblance of personal responsibility."

For a guy who thinks government can't do anything, you sure do think the government does a lot.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:27 PM

Anyone who googles the claims will come up with local news articles describing the facts described in the article. It is not up to the author to spoon feed you widely reported laws that affect millions of people. It's not a secret or fake news. You just won't take the time to become informed.

That's why democracies fail.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-22 12:39 PM

That should have been your first clue it's fake news.

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Turns out to be true. Wanna try again?

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-22 12:44 PM

#17 - So tone deaf as to be hysterical. The Grand Old Pedophile party elected Combover Caligula to be their candidate for President, and with the help of Russia had him installed as POTUS. Donny Doll Hands is the poster child for lack of personal responsibility and deflection. Yup you are all about personal responsibility.

#21 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-11-22 01:15 PM

I never expected to be posting this here but I agree 100% with Bruce.

And voting rights should not be negotiable. If someone owes money for a fine out out a warrant but leave them alone at the polls.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 01:15 PM

Anyone who googles the claims will come up with local news articles describing the facts described in the article. It is not up to the author to spoon feed you widely reported laws that affect millions of people.

That's funny, one would expect a guy with a Nobel Prize in Economics to know how to support his opinions with references to facts...

Silly of us to hold him to that standard.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-22 01:25 PM

He did reference facts. Just not to the level of detail you may want.

#24 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 01:31 PM

----Nobel Prize in Economics

Economics is the only "science" where Nobel prizes are awarded for people with diametrically opposing opinions--Milton Friedman and Robert Reich, Friedrich Hayek and Paul Krugman, etc.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-22 01:44 PM

"He's got a Nobel Prize in Economics."
LOL so did Krugman. AND, Arafat and Obama have Nobel Peace Prizes.

#14 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

And rightly deserved.
If you read Krugman's work, you'd understand why he got one. Pretty smart theory.
Arafat actually ended outright conflict between Israel and the PLO.
Obama was the first black president in a country that still was desegregating schools in the 1980's.

Yeah, they don't give out Nobel Prizes like candy. Sorry.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-22 03:57 PM

Arafat was a terrorist.
Obama didn't earn his peace prize.

You're stupid.

#27 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-22 04:04 PM

That's not why Obama got a prize. He got a prize for promotion of nuclear non-proliferation, then he directed a trillion dollar nuclear overhaul to allow for usable, low yield "tactical" nuclear weapons. He was also awarded for a "new political climate" outreaching to the Muslim world.. which promptly saw him expand the war 5000 miles wide, vastly ramp up drone programs, overthrow Libya, fuel sectarian warfare in Syria, back Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen, and a massive resurgence in Russian geopolitical power that he had previously written off with laughter campaigning against Romney.

You know what the Nobel Prize doesn't have? Liability. They don't take it back when they or the winner are completely wrong.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-11-22 04:06 PM

#3 | Posted by Avigdore, #4 | Posted by boaz

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Thomas Jefferson

#29 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-11-22 04:10 PM

He did reference facts. Just not to the level of detail you may want.

#24 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-11-22 01:31 PM

Actually, he couldn't post any detail, because he is talking about fines and restitution owed by convicted felons that are seeking to regain their voting rights under Alabama's new law restoring voting rights to convicted felons who have finished serving time, same with the other states. This should survive a constitutional challenge since it merely requires felons to "complete their sentence" before regaining rights that they lost while in prison.

He couldn't post that level of detail since it would destroy his broader narrative, that this was all about poor people who owe money.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-22 04:14 PM

"That's funny, one would expect a guy with a Nobel Prize in Economics to know how to support his opinions with references to facts..."

Funny how someone who spends all day on the internet still doesn't know how to verify sources and facts.

bfy.tw

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-11-22 04:14 PM

#28,

I seem to remember he got the Nobel Prize only a short time after he got into office. He had not done anything..

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2017-11-23 08:53 AM

Screw it why keep pretending lets just charge 10 bucks for a vote. If you want 100 votes pay 1000 bucks if you can't spare 10 bucks screw you we never cared about you anyway.

At least that would be more honest.

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-11-23 09:35 AM

It's the only way the republicans can win. It's not like the majority of voters are stupid enough to actually vote for them.

#34 | Posted by squinch at 2017-11-23 02:34 PM

#31

Pretty easy to google and find this article, why don't you try finding an article that explains the underlying statute and get outside your comfort zone?

"Rectifying decades of disenfranchisement, Alabama and eight other states from Nevada to Tennessee, have enacted new laws that allows anyone who has lost the franchise to vote to regain it once they finish their sentence and pay off any outstanding court fines, legal fees and victim restitution.

This week, Gov. Kay Ivey (R) is expected to sign a bill which will restore felons right to vote. Under the Definition of Moral Turpitude Act, which passed both chambers of the legislature with bipartisan support, less than 50 specific felonies will justify disenfranchisement. Thousands of people are expected to have their rights restored. But before that can happen, anyone who has lost the franchise in Alabama for any reason must first fulfill any financial obligations to the state and to their victims, according to Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill.

"In order for you to have your voting rights restored, you have to make sure all your fines and restitution have been paid," Merrill said in a phone interview last month."

Thinkprogess: Alabama governor signs law giving thousands of felons their right to vote back (May 24, 2017).

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-11-23 10:39 PM

LOL so did Krugman. AND, Arafat and Obama have Nobel Peace Prizes.

#14 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

You're just mad because all you have is that food/regurgitated beer stained wife beater you wear five days a week.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-24 01:07 AM

That should have been your first clue it's fake news.
#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ
Turns out to be true. Wanna try again?

#20 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Bwahahahaha no surprise boaz parrots the orange turd and ends up looking like a giant turd himself.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-24 01:10 AM

It is not up to the author to spoon feed you
#19 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Lol.... Yes it is. Especially a Nobel Prize winner. The article is weak.

Plus assuming that all these people will vote Dem.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic."
Benjamin Franklin

IMO they should be allowed to vote. Also IMO they should have skin in the game(be paying their fair share of taxes).

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