Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Why Millennials Are the Way They Are

Criticisms of millennials are notoriously broad in their scope. We have ruined everything, from golf to soap to the diamond industry. We're ------ novelists. We give babies weird names. We don't like ----- enough. We're bad with money and don't use napkins. We've already killed lunch and the Olympics, we're in the process of killing Buffalo Wild Wings, oil production, and beer companies. We have never seen a cow. We love Christmas music. We made sex worse. We got Trump elected. We're lazy, spoiled, tech-addicted. And we're never going to make anything of ourselves until we quit frittering away our savings on sandwiches and avocados and develop a serious work ethic. (I am grateful to Luke Savage for compiling these into a list, albeit only a partial one.)

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In Kids These Days: Human Capital and The Making of Millennials, Malcolm Harris sets out the brief for the defense in response to these various charges. ... [I]f millennials are dysfunctional, it it is not because they have chosen to be, but because the generations above them have built a world in which dysfunction is inevitable. Nobody chooses the circumstances of their birth, and older people "changed the world in ways that have produced people like us." We have been made by our circumstances, and our circumstances suck.

"How are millennials different?" is not the interesting question. The interesting question is "Why are millennials different?" What is actually changing for them that results in their becoming different kinds of people? First, plenty of the alleged differences are probably either perfectly rational or the kinds of natural changes in taste that occur over time. Baby names probably grew weirder because it's fun to be creative and people didn't want their children growing up constantly having to go "Wait, which Sarah?" like they did. Golf is boring and an environmental catastrophe. (Discovering that Barack Obama liked golf was the first moment I became truly suspicious of him.) Likewise, good riddance to Buffalo Wild Wings and fossil fuels. (I can't defend our inexplicable love of Christmas music.)

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It's even worse for the millennials than it was for us (the tail end of the baby boomers). While the bulk of the baby boomers, those born in the 50's, who are dying now, never picked up a book, people my age (born in the early 60's) saw the gluttonous fruit rotting on the vine. But, we had an advantage, we had great literature and great thinkers left over from the American ----.

This naturally fitted into a desire to read and understand the ancient texts.

Look at who the millennials have. They don't read old or new texts. They only read that which supports their short attention span (5 minutes or less).

Plus, they have no respect for our gov't, our social institutions and our churches and they are correct on all three charges. In their perpetual adolescent state, they don't accept the fact that you have to accept some corruption. I see some good things coming from the millennials. I see many of them being smarter than their baby-boomer parents, and that is a good thing.

#1 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-20 10:09 AM

I see some good things coming from the millennials. I see many of them being smarter than their baby-boomer parents, and that is a good thing.

They only read that which supports their short attention span (5 minutes or less).

I'll bite, given the above "truths", how do people that only read 5min txts becomes smarter than people that read books?

You seem to confuse breadth for depth, sort of like not understanding walking can be enlightening, they read enough to think they understand, but really they just know. Don't get me started on their inability for realization.

they have no respect for our gov't, our social institutions and our churches and they are correct on all three charges.

Should they stop paying taxes? Contributing to society? Perhaps they could talk a selfie

I certainly have seen their responses to these problems from a #Hashtag on twitter, or changing your avatar color on Facebook, they feel this actually replaces doing something about the problems.

If you are easily outraged by things today, posting it on twitter and facebook, you probably aren't doing anything constructive.

I see some good things coming from the millennials.

How do you see a "society" functioning that has no respect for government, social institutions or churches.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-11-20 10:36 AM

"Should they stop paying taxes? Contributing to society? Perhaps they could talk a selfie"

Why not, the Republicans seem to think they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-20 01:07 PM

"Should they stop paying taxes? Contributing to society? Perhaps they could talk a selfie"

Why not, the Republicans seem to think they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-11-20 01:07 PM

Look at who the millennials have. They don't read old or new texts. They only read that which supports their short attention span (5 minutes or less).

Plus, they have no respect for our gov't, our social institutions and our churches and they are correct on all three charges. In their perpetual adolescent state, they don't accept the fact that you have to accept some corruption.

Yes, this, but also this:

I'll bite, given the above "truths", how do people that only read 5min txts becomes smarter than people that read books? You seem to confuse breadth for depth, sort of like not understanding walking can be enlightening, they read enough to think they understand, but really they just know.

You're both correct. Here's the important intersection of your individual thoughts that you missed: this broad, short attention span skimming of knowledge is what has led to their distrust of government, social norms and religion. The skimming only catches the headlines and the only things that make headlines today are scandals and corruption, hence their knowledge of government, society and religion is all based on negative reporting. Worse, their lack of depth limits their ability to engage in enlightened discussion or debate and the result is a tendency toward emotion over intellect.

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-11-20 01:43 PM

Why Millennials Are The Way They Are

Because a majority are spoiled ----- that have parents that behave as they're the kids personal nanny until they are well into their 30's. They shielded them from bullies and punishment for their misbehaving. They gave them participation trophies instead of making them work harder. In short they are spoiled brats.

Mackris, you don't have to have respect for religious institutions to be a productive member of society.

#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-11-20 03:33 PM

More silly stereotyping of millennials. Every generation has been looked at by some as being "lazy" and having "no attention span.

According to the latest Pew Research Center survey on book reading, 18- to 29-year-olds are the age group most likely to have read a book in any format over the past year. Fully 80% have done so, compared to 73% of 30- to 49-year-olds, 70% of 50- to 64-year-olds, and 67% of the 65+. When asked why they read books or any written content in general (such as magazines or blogs), Millennials are far more likely than older adults to say it's for a specific purpose, such as work, school, or research. But they're also equally likely to read "for pleasure" or "to keep up with current events."

These findings are echoed by a recent report from the National Endowment of the Arts (NEA). The study examined the narrower category of "literature," or novels, plays, short stories, or poems not required by work or school. Last year, 43% of 18- to 34-year-olds read literature, outmatched only by 65- to 74-year-olds (at 49%) -- early-wave Boomers well known for their high level of educational attainment and penchant for high culture. An older NEA report found that the share of 18- to 24-year-olds who read literature rose sharply starting in 2002 -- in other words, when this age group began to be dominated by Millennials.

Forbes

"Kids nowadays spend all their time on their phones and never read anymore." - Old person posting on their smartphone, hasn't read a book in years

#7 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2017-11-20 03:52 PM

You seem to confuse breadth for depth, sort of like not understanding walking can be enlightening, they read enough to think they understand, but really they just know. Don't get me started on their inability for realization.

We've had smarter generations and look where we are now. I didn't say they are uneducable, they are just uneducated.

Should they stop paying taxes? Contributing to society?

They already have. #1 - they have no job with which to make money to pay taxes upon, #2 - Society doesn't need some contributions.

How do you see a "society" functioning that has no respect for government, social institutions or churches.

It doesn't and that's the point. At some point in time, the corruption and the dishonesty and the inequality that is part of our system is going to crash it down, like it has other systems in the past. Societies rise and societies fall. History will show that this one too was preventable.

#8 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-21 08:54 AM

How do you see a "society" functioning that has no respect for government, social institutions or churches.

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

How can you blame them? Baby boomers rigged the system against them and then ask why they can't win? They are literally the first generation who will do worse than their parents but probably study and work harder.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-22 12:16 AM

🖕🏻 Boomers

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 12:49 AM

Has an older generation ever NOT had a problem with the younger generation?

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-11-22 12:52 AM

"How do you see a "society" functioning that has no respect for government, social institutions or churches."

You don't have respect for government. Does that make you part of the problem?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 03:02 AM

"Harris argues that millennials have faced a uniquely unfair economy, one substantially different from those their parents experienced."

Sounds about right.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 03:15 AM

ANDREAMACKRIS

Your lost in your characterizations of people not like you. Your lost in generalities.

#14 | Posted by memyselfini at 2017-11-22 03:23 AM

For the record, Buffalo Wild Wings (along with many other big chain restaurants) is expensive and has awful food.

#15 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-11-22 06:44 AM

Has an older generation ever NOT had a problem with the younger generation?

#11 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I don't have a problem with them. My children are of that age, and they are all doing fine. I would like to see them know a little more about Socrates and a little less about Taylor Swift, but, it is what it is. They are more socially responsible (which is why they distrust politicians and gov't), they are more humane and sensitive and less racist. However, they have short attention spans and just average work ethics.

The other commenters are right, it's not their fault. The boomers have screwed up every age as they passed through, not because they were evil, but because of the number of them all trying to do the same things, relative to their age.


#16 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-22 07:02 AM

For the record, Buffalo Wild Wings (along with many other big chain restaurants) is expensive and has awful food.

#15 | POSTED BY LEGREGIUS

and it takes an hour to get your order.

#17 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-11-22 07:02 AM

"Why Millennials Are the Way They Are"

The answer is really quite simple. They have been subjected to PC and "progressive" indoctrination in the education system for decades. Hell, most of them can't even name the two countries bordering the U.S. or find Afghanistan on a map. They have become whining snowflakes who, when they leave their "safe spaces," become anarchists who enjoy rioting and destruction. Before long they'll be journalists, teachers and politicians...Democrat politicians like Hank Johnson.

www.youtube.com

#18 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 07:50 AM

"My children are of that age, and they are all doing fine. I would like to see them know a little more about Socrates and a little less about Taylor Swift, but, it is what it is."

Socrates? Are you serious? They probably Socrates is a professional wrestler somewhere.

"They are more socially responsible (which is why they distrust politicians and gov't), they are more humane and sensitive and less racist."

"LOL...I really appreciated their "responsibility" and "humane" activity during the Berkeley debacle."

"However, they have short attention spans and just average work ethics."

LOL...right on! Only I kinda think the work ethicis are somewhat BELOW average.

#19 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 08:06 AM

"Your lost in your characterizations of people not like you. Your lost in generalities."

Yes, indeed...very intellectual, highly educated. However, please allow me to inform you that "your" is a possessive pronoun and the word you were looking for was "you're," which is a contraction for the two words, "you are." You probably know that though because you only made that error twice while lecturing Andrea...LOLOL.

#20 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 08:18 AM

They're young. So what? We all were once too. I'm a Gen Xer whatever that means and was stereotyped as a slacker. meanwhile I've made my own way without any handouts. I respect elders, I pay taxes and I actually read books. The latest generation won't know what it's like to live without smart devices or the internet. I work with some of these 20 somethings and most of them are great, they just don't talk very well in front of senior management and rarely make eye contact. But, they generally do their work but also socialize way too much in the office. But, so what? They see the world differently as I did when I was 20 something. But that was the 90s which was pretty awesome compared with today. Article is relatively boring overall. Again, so what?

#21 | Posted by draftkinger9 at 2017-11-22 08:49 AM

We Millennials will do well in the world; it is the Gen Z'ers I'm concerned with/am annoyed by.

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-11-22 09:08 AM

The younger half of millennials and any Gen Zer old enough to make individual/adult decisions nowadays are the ones fighting the wars begun by the elder generations. Those folks recently coming of age to join the national services were born in 1999 and learned about 9/11 via their parents or a history book.

Complain about youth at your leisure, but they're manning the lines in the longest war in American history.

#23 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-11-22 09:12 AM

A bunch of patronizing BS on this thread. The fact is that millenials are not like you, which is a good thing. And that offends you.

Safe Spaces? Hell yeah we have safe spaces. Look at the legacy of the other generations. Institutional racism. Child molestation (I'm looking at you catholics and evangelicals). Homophobia. Racism. And when millenials pointed out how disgusting the other generations treat vulnerable people they get shouted down and told they are unpatriotic or stupid or naive. When they talk about horrible things that have been inflicted on them then they get victim blaming or being called liars. So, in response, we had safe spaces to actually have real conversations about what was happening.

Now it is becoming clear that millenials were right, and social change is happening because we were willing to have these conversations even with the combined opposition and complicity of the other generations trying to suppress the truth.

Respect for government? Hey.... YOU ELECTED TRUMP! Why would we respect government when you apparently don't. Respect for churches? Are these the same ones mentioned above who systemically molest and take advantage of children? Of course we don't respect them. Christianity has almost since its inception been a political tool to manipulate the masses, and your generation has been gullible little sheep, meekly turning off your brains and following orders. We are tired of your wars and corporatization and hate being pushed by your "religions". Respect for social institutions? The same ones that exclude minorities and and gays and anyone else who questions the status quo? You can keep it.

We have seen what you have built, and realize it is crap. We question everything, because it has become clear that if the previous generations have touched it, it is probably corrupt.

So take your patronizing attitude and shove it. You will not brow-beat us into making the same corrupt and selfish choices that you made. We will continue to make this country better (BLM, gay marriage, sexual harassment) and do not give a crap if those changes make you uncomfortable. Go ahead and do it again... elect another Donald Trump in another childish fit in response to the social progress that we have made that makes you feel uncomfortable (so you think it is making America non-"great"). We will survive your idiot this time. We will survive your next one. Eventually enough of you will die off so that we can ignore your temper tantrums... then real progress can be made in this country.

#24 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-11-22 09:18 AM

"Eventually enough of you will die off so that we can ignore your temper tantrums... then real progress can be made in this country."

Kinda like it has in England and the rest of Europe...right?

"By David Hamilton - We must understand the difference between a patriotic way of thinking and that of "Progressives" and "Internationalists." Their ideological view is often based on a book and people are expected to refer to it and divergence from orthodoxy leads to being denounced or given correctional training. This happened in the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cambodia under Pol Pot and in the West now under Political Correctness. This is a Marxist strain but it came in with the New Left under the guise of a new Liberalism. Even now well-meaning liberals promote PC without understanding its totalitarian nature."

traditionalbritain.org

#25 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 09:34 AM

"the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cambodia under Pol Pot and in the West now under Political Correctness."

Putting PC in the same sentence with Pol Pot is ludicrous.

Thanks for the morning laugh; great way to start the day!

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 09:46 AM

"tell me how that bit of ridiculousness is any different from Pol Pot's Year Zero."

Mass killings.

Any other silly questions?

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 09:52 AM

" the poster never clarified how to bring about his hoped for outcome."

Eventually = over time, naturally.

"I guess it is the method of death that is the distinction in your mind"

Can you taste the stupid when you post something that dumb?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:05 AM

"Putting PC in the same sentence with Pol Pot is ludicrous."

I don't know if you have a grasp on what Pol Pot's "Political Correctness" was, Danny.

Remember, the author said: "...and divergence from orthodoxy leads to being denounced or given correctional training."
Just like here in the U.S., especially in schools and colleges, divergence from orthodoxy is punishable in many ways.

#32 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 10:05 AM

"Can you taste the stupid when you post something that dumb?"

You gotta lighten up, Danny, or I may have to embarrass you AGAIN. You are NOT really the smartest guy in a pa[r-down heels on the DR as you think you are

#34 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 10:12 AM

One of the best descriptions of "Progressism" I've ever read.

"Evolution is not continual progress, it is adaptation, but progressives conflate the two. In fact, what evolutionary pressure there is on humanity is not inevitably leading to the androgenous world of the feminists; the classless society of Marxists or the raceless world of the multi-racialists – all types of progressive teleology which try to try to ignore substance: the material world and the differences in human bodies.

The personal benefit is that the dogma enables progressives to avoid facing reality. Progressives see people coming together in places of disorder and rebellion, and a mural of Israeli tanks in Gaza they see as street art, not a British Muslim threat of war against Jews. They take a superficial view of reality. It is a defence because if they looked deeper they would be frightened and have to face the future. In fact, they like to drive to immigrant areas to sample the way of life with an exotic dance performance or curry. That is like tourism and they are spectators of exotic life until they drive back home! It is a shallow view of what is going on around us

Once luxuriant African states fall into crime and poverty, once prosperous, economically successful Detroit descends in to crime and poverty, even hunger is there now; but progressives pretend we are progressing. Not even New Orleans penetrated their bubbles. They go on holiday to Jamaica where safe areas are sectioned off for tourists, but do not connect that reality with our inner cities which are no-go areas for Whites. Even when Muslims blow up trains and there are almost weekly terror trials going on, they dream that we are all coming together."

#36 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 10:28 AM

Awwww look the boomers are here to act all butthurt about post 24.

Sorry guys, but it's largely correct. Your generation built a giant pile of corporatized crap and the next generations aren't buying what you're selling.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 10:31 AM

"This guy is considered smart? He doubled-down on stupid and resorted to lying to do it. That passes for intelligent around here?"

Well, you're right...but Danny is an old stalwart and is absolutely full of....."it." He does provide for entertainment and some good comedy though.

#38 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 10:33 AM

"Where do you get the idea that eventually means "naturally" outside of your ----?"

Where do you get the idea that eventually means "murder"?

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:56 AM

"or I may have to embarrass you AGAIN"

Because you know more about Confederate flags than I do? Wow, some accomplishment!

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:57 AM

"I don't know if you have a grasp on what Pol Pot's "Political Correctness" was, Danny."

I know it included extra-judicial killings. You know...just like Western PC...if you're a farkin' idiot.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:58 AM

"He doubled-down on stupid and resorted to lying to do it."

This, from the guy who wants to equate Pol Pot with not being able to say words like "---" or "-----".

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 11:00 AM

Ill never understand why today's republicans, who are the worst people ever born, think they have any room to talk down on anyone else.

#44 | Posted by Kreator at 2017-11-22 11:10 AM

#39 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

None of this modern "Progressivism" applies any logic or makes any sense to me. In economics, how an we reach prosperity by borrowing, taxing, and spending. How can we prevent gun crime by removing guns from every law-abiding citizen? How can we prevent the rise of every dangerous dictator by bribery and appeasement? I won't even BEGIN to get into the "progressive" decline of our education system.
They want to blame conservatives and Trump, but this began in earnest back in the 60's and has kept "progressing" ever since. Trump is just shoveling ---- against the tide at this point.

#45 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 11:10 AM

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:56 AM
#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:57 AM
#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 10:58 AM
#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 11:00 AM
Take a breath, man.

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-11-22 11:16 AM

"I know it included extra-judicial killings."

Orthodoxy, Danny, orthodoxy. That was Pol Pot's orthodoxy. People not sticking to his orthodoxy were killed. Like the author said. "...divergence from orthodoxy leads to being denounced or given correctional training." Don't even try to tell me that's not done here by diverging from "progressive" orthodoxy in the U.S. Some people even want climate change "deniers" jailed. I bet you would even agree with that being as you're so in lock step with "progressive" orthodoxy.
Now, I'm not going to explain it all to you again, so go bother someone else.

#47 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 11:25 AM

"Because you know more about Confederate flags than I do?"

Just ONE of the issues on which you're ignorant. You didn't lose any time to jump on me over that issue before I spanked you though, did you. You THINK you're the DR sage, but...well, you know.

#48 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 11:29 AM

I won't even BEGIN to get into the "progressive" decline of our education system.

#45 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

Actually our students know more today on average than previous generations... By a long shot...

#49 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-11-22 11:34 AM

Yep, they know how to tweet and facebook important stuff.

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-11-22 11:48 AM

"Actually our students know more today on average than previous generations..."

I agree with you...if you're talking about American Idol and Hollywood celebs...but I ain't so sure about the things that matter.

" According to Pearson, the United States has a "cognitive skills and educational attainment" score of 0.39, which makes the United States rank fourteenth out of forty countries ranked in that category. The top ten countries (and their scores) are:

South Korea (1.30)
Japan (1.03)
Singapore (0.99)
Hong Kong (0.96)
Finland (0.92)
United Kingdom (0.67)
Canada (0.60)
Netherlands (0.58)
Ireland (0.51)
Poland (0.50)
Categories:

rankingamerica.wordpress.com

#51 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 11:49 AM

"Why Millennials Are the Way They Are"
The answer is really quite simple. They have been subjected to PC and "progressive" indoctrination in the education system for decades"

Which textbooks or school systems or whatever are you calling out here?
Be specific, or support your point with other evidence.
(I think you're bluffing.)

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 11:53 AM

As seen elsewhere:
"Who created this system? does this help understand "millennial behaviors?"

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 11:55 AM

Millennials are "positioned to become the most economically unequal generation in recent memory."

Millennials didn't do that. That's a thing that happened to them.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 11:57 AM

The answer is really quite simple. They have been subjected to PC and "progressive" indoctrination in the education system for decades.
#18 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

Its actually more because conservative sissies overly babied their incompetent children in order to live vicariously through them, creating this culture where everyone demands rewards for mediocrity.

#55 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-22 11:58 AM

#30 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

Just to clarify, though it really surprises me I have to, by "eventually" I did mean "naturally". Though it is interesting that your mind goes immediately to more violent and antisocial alternatives. Might be that is another fact in support of my argument that the boomer generation is just mad that we are not sinking to their level of depravity?

#56 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-11-22 12:01 PM

Thanks.... Now can you please just press the picture of the cheeseburger and bag my order to go?

#26 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

Also... the instant ad hominem indicates to me that I probably touched a nerve. Why so defensive? A little too much truth... a little to real for you?

#57 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-11-22 12:02 PM

"Yet, they somehow believe that evolution does not apply or has not continued with modern man, which is the basis for their PC, non-racist beliefs"

Like thinking blacks have evolved enough to play quarterback, that kind of thing?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:07 PM

Millennials are more likely to be employed and have a higher level of education than boomers at their age. Shocker, I know, but society at large rarely has respect for anyone under 30. The highlighted ignorance of a few labels an entire generation because it's easier to stereotype than to try and understand people.

#59 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 12:11 PM

"Why Millennials Are The Way They Are"

Are they the way we stereotype them to be? Or is that perception and maybe a little projection?

#60 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 12:21 PM

Yet, they somehow believe that evolution does not apply or has not continued with modern man, which is the basis for their PC, non-racist beliefs. Frankly, I don't see how the two beliefs can be simultaneously held as either evolution happens or it doesn't.

#39 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

I do believe that humans have stopped evolving. That is what happens when you disconnect survival and reproductive success from other more traditional measures of success like wealth, power, and intelligence. Btw... just stating facts here. I do not advocate killing people or sterilizing them based upon their "success".

But, beyond that, I do believe that different groups of humans probably have different average strengths and weaknesses. But, I don't see why it matters. The difference is not great enough to overcome variability. While it is certainly possible that, for example, Asians are on average better at math than other races, that does not mean that the "best" mathematician will be Asian. They could be black, or hispanic, or white because the ranking of the "best" 1% (or 0.0001%) by race may not follow the average.

So, why do you think putting the "average" person of a race into an easily understandable box helps society (other than making you feel better because it simplifies it for you)? All I see it doing is to put up barriers in front of the high achievers because they don't conform to their racial averages.

Basically, I care a lot more about the individual than the group. If there is a girl who is great at engineering, I don't want her to be disadvantaged because of this stereotype (regardless of whether it is actually true or not) that "women are not as good at engineering". And I don't want a black male who has NEVER done anything illegal in his life to be disadvantaged by being continuously pulled over and intimidated by the police all because of some simpletons want to "acknowledge racial differences".

To sum up... I believe that there are genetic differences in races and sexes. But, I am hesitant to acknowledge it because people like you tend to use them inappropriately to hurt and disadvantage people.

#62 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-11-22 12:27 PM

"Tell me Snoofy, when did evolution stop?"

Actually, that's what I asked you.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:28 PM

#39 | Posted by MidtownLandlord

Or maybe, and I'm guessing this is more likely, you just don't understand evolution.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 12:29 PM

Trump is just shoveling ---- against the tide at this point.

#45 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Trump is certainly shoveling ---- but it's against his own tide of manchild, narcissistic nonsense.

The man is his own worst enemy and his supporters are societies worst factions of self-absorbed idiots, ------- and gullible fools.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 12:32 PM

"But, I am hesitant to acknowledge it because people like you tend to use them inappropriately"

It's a troll account created today. Might as well give him what he wants!

Are blacks not smart enough to be CEO, is that why there are so few in the Fortune 500?

Ah, but if you look at Fortune 500 CEOs, immigrants and their first generation offspring are over-represented. Are foreigners more evolved than Americans???

(Bonus points if foreigners are indeed more evolved than Americans,but only bevause blacks are holding America back!)

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:34 PM

Their future was outsourced so that the obscenely rich could become slightly more so.

And the people responsible have the balls to complain about how they choose to cope with it.

People are generally not smart and lacking in self awareness.

#70 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 12:38 PM

"Why the difficulty in answering such a simple question."

I know! Remember when I asked "Like thinking blacks have evolved enough to play quarterback, that kind of thing?" and instead of answering, you just continued your rant?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 12:40 PM

Ugh...the only problem with Millennials is that they have to have long-winded reasons for everything. In the past, if a generation of people were stereotyped, they'd pretty much not even know it because they'd hear it and then move on with their life because it has no impact on them whatsoever. But Millennials, oh boy, you get stereotyped and all of a sudden it's the end of the world and you have to provide an extremely long analysis of why you are that way and how can you make it to be someone else's fault.

Every generation has its opinions of the gens before and after it. You aren't special. Yes, I said it. You aren't special. Sorry, but I'm sure you have a safe place to go to already to deal with it.

#72 | Posted by humtake at 2017-11-22 12:40 PM

#72 HUMTAKE

Do you talk to yourself in the mirror all the time?

#73 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 01:28 PM

Humtake has a bit of a point. The Boomers thought they knew everything and didn't care what older people thought of then. Gen X responded to criticism with sarcasm.

#74 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 01:35 PM

Millennials are more likely to be employed and have a higher level of education than boomers at their age.

Millennials are "positioned to become the most economically unequal generation in recent memory."
Millennials didn't do that. That's a thing that happened to them.

So Millennials are doing fine? Or they've had something done to them and are disadvantaged... I can't keep up

#75 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-11-22 01:45 PM

#74;

But the boomers have to be the first to be so against the younger generation. Is it jealously that millennials aren't dumb enough to fall into the same credit traps?

#76 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-11-22 01:47 PM

"The Boomers thought they knew everything and didn't care what older people thought of then."

If that were true they wouldn't have fetishized the "Greatest Generation" like they did.

Oh, and the Greatest Generation was their parents.

It's almost like they realized they were gonna be disaster parents so they invented a Greatest Generation for their own kids to look up to, recognizing themselves as the utter -------- they grew up to be.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 01:54 PM

I sympathize with the millenials. They were born into a world where the baby boomer rich had set up a rigged game to suck all the wealth out of the economy and working class.

But then I look at their fashion trends and think SCREW EM. I guess all the attractive styles have already been done, so millenials decided UGLY is the new pretty. Curly mustaches, dying your hair old lady colors, pants that show your ankles, high waisted jeans, flourescent colors. Tattoos everywhere. It's like "look how much I don't care about how bad I look!" or "look how DIFFERENT and SARCASTIC I'm dressing, just like everyone else my age!"

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 01:57 PM

"Millennials are more likely to be employed and have a higher level of education than boomers at their age."

That's a response to an economy where "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

Boomers could just get a job at the plant after finishing high school and do okay.

That is no longer an option.

The economy, in your terms, forces the youth to become brainwashed college liberals if they want to earn a good wage.

But it is still true that you can earn a good wage in certain trades, especially the ones the farthest away from automation, like plumber or bartender.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 02:00 PM

#75 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Those statements aren't mutually exclusive. Willingness to work doesn't translate to greater earnings. Wages are down except for those with bachelor's degrees. So you can both be more willing to work/educate yourself and be lacking opportunity due to the effects of others.

#78 - Speak

Am I to assume poodle skirts and saddle shoes are more your style. Hmm? Parachute pants and bell bottoms? No? Every generation has their fashion flops.

#80 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 02:13 PM

Re #77 - interesting theory.

The boomers encourage younger generations to emulate the WWII generation bc if younger people emulated the boomers, the boomers would be screwed once they become old enough to need help from younger folks.

Didn't work. Gen X had adopted their short sighted greed as our own. Hope they saved up or enjoy cat good.

#81 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 02:21 PM

#79 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

No argument here on wages. See my #80.

But colleges brain washing kids is a misconception, sorta. Political leanings stay pretty consistent from high school graduation all the way through post-graduate education. Those declaring "no leaning" generally tend to come out more to the left...and women are the driving factor. College educated women fall heavily on the left. Although, if we took pro-choice rights out of the political equation I bet it would stay more consistent.

www.people-press.org

#82 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 02:34 PM

But colleges brain washing kids is a misconception, sorta.

I know, but it's part of the right-wing mythology, which is why I said "in your terms" to KWRX.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 02:42 PM

Millennials are a bunch of soft, coddled whiners. Unfortunately, they were coddled by those that came before them.

Hopefully they learn to grow out of it.

I don't see things getting better, either. These idiots, and idiots of all ages live in a social media world where likes and dislikes are important to them. I think that skews reality for those chumps.

#84 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-22 02:48 PM

--Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

And yet dems want to continue regressive tax breaks like the mortgage interest and state-local-taxes deduction to the favored fifth who are the biggest beneficiaries.

#85 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-11-22 02:48 PM

More than just the top tier benefits from home ownership.

This is evident from the fact that more than 20% of Americans households are homeowners. It's more like 65%.

Likewise, 11 milion illegal immigrants isn't sufficient to explain why 250 million Americans are in the bottom tier of the economy.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 02:52 PM

"These idiots, and idiots of all ages live in a social media world where likes and dislikes are important to them."

Unlike you, who thrives on dislikes alone!

Don't cut yourself on all that edge.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 02:54 PM

I don't see things getting better, either. These idiots, and idiots of all ages live in a social media world where likes and dislikes are important to them. I think that skews reality for those chumps.

#84 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Better than believing what they see on fox news like the older generation.

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 03:01 PM

www.thecollegefix.com

Millennials....

I don't know how the Vitale kid kept from violently snatching his hat back from that fat zit faced turd.
Also, what in the hell is wrong with the staff at the resource center? Why not simply tell her to return the hat and get the hell out of there before the cops came? She was clearly in the wrong and they did her a disservice by not explaining it to her immediately.

This is an example of where punching somebody (a woman in this case) is justified. Even if I had the time, I wouldn't waste it asking for my property back. I would have taken it by force and left that fatso with a few lumps to remind her not to take what doesn't belong to her.

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-11-22 04:02 PM

www.thecollegefix.com

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Wow there's a whole website dedicated to whining that college is too liberal?

KNOWLEDGE and FACTS are liberal. Learning them liberalizes your beliefs. That's why repubs resent education.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 04:06 PM

It's weird how so many people who consider themselves "oppressed" go right past equality and into trampling over others when given just a little power.

#91 | Posted by Sully at 2017-11-22 04:29 PM

"Wow there's a whole website dedicated to whining that college is too liberal?

KNOWLEDGE and FACTS are liberal. Learning them liberalizes your beliefs."

I would bust a gut laughing if this wasn't so pitiful. David Hamilton when right on when he wrote THIS:

"The use of Political Correctness is a way of training people to think of and to perceive reality in the way the cultural elites want them to. It is imbued almost unconsciously, conditioned by the use of words and negative bogey figures: "If you think differently you are a Nazi!"
Ideological change of meaning passes for common usage as people innocently adopt them: Bigot and tolerance are prominent examples. Bigot means one who refuses to listen to the opinions of others but is misused as a connative word that only applies to "right-wingers".

#92 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 04:47 PM

#92 | Posted by jestgettinalong

That has nothing to do with the FACT that the more people learn, the less conservative they become.
www.people-press.org
"Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values."

PC policing is an entirely separate issue.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 04:55 PM

"That has nothing to do with the FACT that the more people learn, the less conservative they become."

I believe that all depends upon WHAT you're learning. As far as these "FACTS" you carelessly throw around, I would define many of them as indoctrination rather than facts.

"Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values."

Certainly true...seeing as how their indoctrination by OTHER "progressive" pee aitch dees is now complete. It's a FACT, you know, that they far outnumber any conservatives in academia.

#94 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 05:08 PM

#93 - Speak
"Fact that the more people learn, the less conservative they become"

That's not true. Women seriously skew the graduate school statistic and likely due to the women's rights positions the Democratic party champions. College educated men are actually more likely to be conservative than liberal 47/44 which is the reverse for highschool educated men where the stats stands at 40/44 conservative vs liberal.

www.people-press.org

#95 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 05:20 PM

"I believe that all depends upon WHAT you're learning. "

Like is it learning, or brainwashing.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 05:21 PM

"Women seriously skew the graduate school statistic"

Because men are afraid to learn new things.

I mean, that's one explanation, I'm sure there are others, you can learn all about them in graduate school, I hear.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 05:23 PM

#97 Snoofy

Or you're asking political spectrum questions that dramatically affect women versus men. That's another.

#98 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 05:27 PM

"It's weird how so many people who consider themselves "oppressed" go right past equality and into trampling over others when given just a little power."

It's more like equality, or improvement even, is so worthy a goal it necessitates a little trampling.

Example, School Vouchers, it's supposed to eventually produce better schools through "Market Forces."

What happens to the kids who are left in the ------ schools until such time as the schools are closed, or somehow rescued via some other government intervention, is never, ever discussed.

It's taken as a given, and so obvious not worth mentioning, that of course there will be some winners and some losers, but eventually, it will work out better for most.

The part where it works out worse for a few, the same ones who have been getting screwed all this time, is an acceptable cost, because of the greater good.

This concludes today's lesson in How To Think Like An Institutional Racist.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 05:27 PM

"Or you're asking political spectrum questions that dramatically affect women versus men. That's another."

These can easily be correlated to the same questions in the broad population, to determine if you're seeing sample bias or a real effect, which is another thing they teach you who to do in graduate school, I hear.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 05:29 PM

What's the graduate school population split anyway?

Also, maybe boys who are dumb to begin with don't belong in graduate school? So this really is a smart vs. dumb divide, which is biological?

Gender gap in literacy[edit]
Traditionally, girls have outperformed boys in reading and writing. Although this gap may be minimal in kindergarten, it grows as students continue their education. According to the 2004 National Reading Assessment measured by the US Department of Education, the gap between boys and girls, only slightly noticeable in 4th grade, left boys 14 points behind girls during their 12th grade year.[6]
en.wikipedia.org

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 05:32 PM

I believe that all depends upon WHAT you're learning. As far as these "FACTS" you carelessly throw around, I would define many of them as indoctrination rather than facts.

#94 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Learning that trickle down economics has never worked for the middle class isn't indoctrination.

Neither is the scientific method, which concludes man is changing the climate.

Neither is what the settlers did to the native americans.

Republicans call learning history, science, and economics "indoctrination", when they're in fact the ones living a life based on fiction and fantasy.

They send their kids off the college with heads full of superstition, and they come back with a greater understanding of how the world really works, which fits better with liberal policy proposals, so they think colleges are working to indoctrinate their kids into liberalism. The truth is, once you are armed with real facts, republicanism becomes an obvious scam to anyone who examines it.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 05:32 PM

#100 Snoofy

I believe the course title is "Un-Common Common Sense". It is also covered in the critical thinking skills course "Things it doesn't take a post-graduate degree to know, but we will charge you for anyways".

#103 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 05:39 PM

#102 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You're making up your own facts. The data doesn't support the Republican mantra that colleges serve as liberal indoctrination centers.

#104 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 05:41 PM

"Learning that trickle down economics has never worked for the middle class isn't indoctrination."

Why not? Maybe you believe that the socialism they teach in colleges nowadays is a better way to go? Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any socialist system ever has. The problem we have here now isn't true capitalism, it's crony capitalism and is practiced by both parties, especially the Democratic Party.

#105 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 06:00 PM

- especially the Democratic Party.

That's hilarious. Someone obviously hasn't seen the GOP tax bill.

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2017-11-22 06:04 PM

"Orthodoxy, Danny, orthodoxy. That was Pol Pot's orthodoxy. People not sticking to his orthodoxy were killed."

And morons equate his "orthodoxy" to Political Correctness in western civilization.

Stupid is as stupid does.

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 06:39 PM

"Just ONE of the issues on which you're ignorant. "

Feel free to list the others.

If you're not too busy filling your diaper.

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 06:40 PM

You're making up your own facts. The data doesn't support the Republican mantra that colleges serve as liberal indoctrination centers.

#104 | Posted by gavaster

Conservative media certainly supports that mantra.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-11-22 06:44 PM

"If you're not too busy filling your diaper."

Sighhhhh...if ignorance and stupidity were snowflakes, Danny, you'd be a walking blizzard. You probably should go and service your hundreds of billion dollar finance clients now and then go to your acting and professional dancing jobs. See ya'.

#110 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-22 06:57 PM

#109 - Speaks

Pew's research doesn't seem to, except in women. If you read the questions asked they were laughably biased.

#111 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-11-22 07:18 PM

"if ignorance and stupidity were snowflakes, Danny, you'd be a walking blizzard."

I'm sure the school administrators who had me skip a grade thought the same thing.

"You probably should go and service your hundreds of billion dollar finance clients"

I only had one. Now I'm simply stuck with my 450-or-so regular clients. Meanwhile, you're probably searching for Dukes of Hazzard reruns.

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-11-22 07:46 PM

Ahhhh yes, the walking blizzard jab.

Nothing says intelligence like regurgitating lines you didn't think of yourself.

#113 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 09:20 PM

"Maybe you believe that the socialism they teach in colleges nowadays is a better way to go?"

I can't speak to the "socialism they teach in college" but the socialism they practice in Europe and elsewhere in mixed economies is better in many ways.

About the only thing we have better is lower taxes. Which if you're rich and you don't personally see any benifit from paying taxes, you might not figure out is the reason the only thing we have better is... lower taxes.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 09:47 PM

"A better comparison for your racist views would be whites and sprinting where coaching, etc cannot explain the disparity."

Blacks dominate both sprints and marathons. The disparity is in the genes, then? I mean, where else could it be?

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-22 10:06 PM

Millennials, despite all evidence to the contrary, consistently see themselves as smarter than everyone else. They call Trump stupid, etc, but the reality is that he would run circles around them in any actual IQ test involving math, science, etc

Citation necessary.

This should be good...

#118 | Posted by jpw at 2017-11-22 11:23 PM

#116 | POSTED BY MIDTOWNLANDLORD

You're going to have to come up with a new handle djt Jr.

#119 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-11-22 11:37 PM

"I really don't know why you need to go full on race card here when it is a simple yes or no question."

It's because that's all they have. When they have no good response they play the race card with a smirk. That's when you know you've won the debate.

#121 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-11-23 07:28 AM

Raise the minimum wage 20%. It will create upward pressure on all wages at the low end of the spectrum. The real minimum wage is now 30% lower than it was in the late 60's even though worker productivity has doubled.

#122 | Posted by danS at 2017-11-23 04:57 PM

"I would go so far as to state raising the minimum wage AND allowing unpaid internships to continue is flat out classist/racist."

*Yawn*

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-11-24 03:19 PM

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