Friday, October 20, 2017

Maddow ties Muslim Ban to Soldiers' deaths in Niger

In her October 19, 2017 broadcast Rachel Maddow tied President Trump's latest version of his travel ban to the withdrawal of Chadian troops from Niger, thus placing US troops at greater risk in their battle against Boko Haram. The reason Chad--a military ally of the US--was added to the travel ban seems ridiculous but in line with the current administration's standard operating procedures. The upshot, according to Maddow is that US troops found themselves without a reliable and effective local ally, with fatal results.

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If this reporting is confirmed, it could lead to either a huge coverup in the Trump Administration, or such a serious blow to Trump that his recovery will be questionable.

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I'll go with huge cover up.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-20 08:57 AM

yuge

#2 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-20 09:49 AM

Interesting. So now dotard's half baked ideas are indirectly getting our soldiers killed. Brilliant.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-20 09:57 AM

- So now dotard's half baked ideas are indirectly getting our soldiers killed.

BS. American Exceptionalism over the last 50+ years will continue getting Americans killed for the next century.

Nothing has changed. The twin towers fell at the end of CLinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 11:28 AM

Maddow will kill more Americans than Trump - from stress.

Fact.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 11:30 AM

The twin towers fell at the end of CLinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's.

Where they both president at the same time?

You're the first moron I've ever mutter such a fəkiNG idiotic sentiment.

September 11th 2001 was the end of Clinton's second term?

You're fəkiNG rəˈtärdəd.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 11:56 AM

No wonder Trump didn't want to talk about these dead soldiers.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-20 12:13 PM

#6 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

So, your view is that radical jihadi's loved the US throughout Clinton's 2 terms?

and then plotted an attack because Bush was elected?

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 12:18 PM

Who knows what their motives were.

But your Clinton derangement syndrome has rotted your brain.

The twin towers fell at the end of CLinton's 2 terms

You're fəkiNG rəˈtärdəd.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 12:24 PM

radical jihadi's loved the US throughout Clinton's 2 terms

You're right. "Radical Jihadi's" (Redundant) loved America and western culture until Clinton. Then they waited until the end of his second term, September 11th 2001, and launched an attack on the Twin Towers. How unfair for BushJr to have to clean up Clinton's mess.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 12:29 PM

Is this the new version of the "protest against a video"?

It's so hard to keep up.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 12:34 PM

It's so hard to keep up.

It's only hard to keep up when you're busy trying to find false equivalencies between ---.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 12:40 PM

No Clownshack, you're right. Clinton had Osama smitten for 8 years, then Bush unraveled it in 9 months.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:05 PM

No sheep. You're right. The Middle East loved us until Clinton. It's why, at the end of his 2 term, which is apparently September 11th 2001, the attacked the twin towers.

You solved the mystery.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 01:09 PM

"The Japanese, in order to prevent the birth of Obama, attacked Hawaii on December 7, 1941."

~Sheepelisims.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 01:12 PM

American Exceptionalism over the last 50+ years will continue getting Americans killed for the next century.
#4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Your denial is ignorance. This isn't a partisan issue, clownshack. This a US policy issue that hasn't changed since WW2...probably longer.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:33 PM

American Exceptionalism over the last 50+ years will continue getting Americans killed for the next century.

I agree with this statement.

This a US policy issue that hasn't changed since WW2...probably longer.

I agree with this statement too. And it's been way longer than WW2.

What I called you out on was:

The twin towers fell at the end of Clinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's.

So. American Exceptionalism has been going on for 50+, since the WW2 and probably longer.

But 9/11 happened at the end of Clinton's second term, September 11th, 2001.

How do you make such a leap of logic?

Also. I doubt 9/11 would have occurred under Nader or Gore.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 01:43 PM

It's not a leap of logic that Clinton continued destructive ME policies in place since WW2.

I'm not laying blame on Clinton for 9/11 and absolving Bush. Bush/Cheney made it even worse after the fact.

But 9/11 was because of Bush, it was because of long standing US policy that continues today.

Maybe the ONLY potus who had a positive impact was Carter.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:49 PM

was'nt because of Bush

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:50 PM

Also. I doubt 9/11 would have occurred under Nader or Gore.
#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I would disagree.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:50 PM

Is Bill responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing? No, but he was potus. And he continued poor ME policy.

9 months after Bush took office, WTC was hit again. This plan didn't take shape because Bush was elected.

Nader or Gore would have faced the same attack.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 01:55 PM

I doubt 9/11 would have occurred under Nader or Gore.

Nice partisan blinders.

Most of people ignore the fact that the four pilots all entered the US in the late 90's and took flight training in 2000, before the election, when it looked like Gore was going to win.

To pull something like this off takes years of planning, no way did they do this in the 9 months after Bush was inaugurated because, well, Bush.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 02:04 PM

"The Japanese, in order to prevent the birth of Obama, attacked Hawaii on December 7, 1941."
~Sheepelisims.

LoL...that was a good one.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 02:10 PM

It's not a leap of logic that Clinton continued destructive ME policies in place since WW2.

Who cares. His term didn't end September 11th 2001.

You can vent your Clinton derangement syndrome all day long.

But your statement: The twin towers fell at the end of Clinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's.

Is akin to saying, "we dropped nukes on Japan at the end of FDR's term and the beginning of Truman's."

Or, "we enter the war in Iraq at the end of Clinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's."

I mean, Clinton's continued destructive polices and all...

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 02:39 PM

I would disagree.

You're allowed to. It was a hypothetical.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 02:40 PM

9 months after Bush took office, WTC was hit again.

Impossible, Clinton's second term ended September 11th, 2001.

I wonder if Gore or Nader or anyone else would have disabled NORAD on 9/11, like Cheney did. Or ignored intel reports about the attack.

You know what. This is going to turn into a "truther" thread and I don't have time for that.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 02:44 PM

Nice partisan blinders.
#22 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Like you're one to talk.

Tell us more about how Harvey Weinstein's actions will sink the DNC.

What's Anthony Bourdain got to say about Clinton's connection to 9/11?

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 02:48 PM

LoL...that was a good one.

Thanks.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 02:48 PM

BS. American Exceptionalism over the last 50+ years will continue getting Americans killed for the next century.
Nothing has changed. The twin towers fell at the end of CLinton's 2 terms, and the beginning of Bush's.

#4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-10-20 11:28 AM | FLAG:

Actually 100,000 soldiers from Chad supporting our troops in Africa pulled out once Dotard put them on the travel ban. So yes, something has changed.

#29 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-20 03:21 PM

I doubt 9/11 would have occurred under Nader or Gore.

That is just an exercise in mental ------------.

#30 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-20 03:24 PM

- So yes, something has changed. #29 BY 726

No, it's a consequence of continuing the poor foreign policy of American Exceptionalism since WW2.

Until we change US policy, and American Exceptionalism, this will continue.

Until we change American politics, US policy will continue unchanged.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-20 04:03 PM

No wonder Trump didn't want to talk about these dead soldiers.

#7 | Posted by Corky

Why, he afraid of madcow?

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-20 04:42 PM

No wonder Trump didn't want to talk about these dead soldiers.

#7 | Posted by Corky

WOW, there is a leap of faith.

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-20 04:44 PM

Maybe the ONLY potus who had a positive impact was Carter.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism

He sure did impact iran. 444 days?

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-20 04:45 PM

Neither of those posts were funny Snips.

Try again.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 04:46 PM

Nice partisan blinders.

Most of people ignore the fact that the four pilots all entered the US in the late 90's and took flight training in 2000, before the election, when it looked like Gore was going to win.

To pull something like this off takes years of planning, no way did they do this in the 9 months after Bush was inaugurated because, well, Bush.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter

Nice Partisan blinders indeed.

Most people ignore the fact that Republicans were busy harassing Bill Clinton so badly over a -------- that he could not even do his job. All the while we were obsessing over Bill Clinton's penis Osama Bin Fishfood was in his cave planning the destruction of the World Trade Center.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-20 06:40 PM

It has been known for a long time that the Mujahadeem of Afghanistan, who we supported against the Russians, turned against us because George H.W. Bush put a major air base in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia which was forbidden under the orthodox Wahabi Muslim's religious beliefs.

"His central lament was the presence of U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, or "the occupation of the land of the two holiest sites." Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden had offered to defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. But the Saudi royals decided that the U.S. military would be a better bet. Six years later, American soldiers were still in Saudi Arabia in a bid to contain Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden saw the United States as the power behind the throne: the "far enemy" that propped up apostate regimes in the Middle East. Muslims, he wrote, should abandon their petty local fights and unite to drive the Americans out of Saudi Arabia: "destroying, fighting and killing the enemy until, by the Grace of Allah, it is completely defeated."

www.theatlantic.com

#37 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-20 07:25 PM

If madcow said it, it's not worth reading or listening to.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-20 07:27 PM

#36

DBoy, you do realize that I was responding to Clowny's ridiculous post that Bin Laden wouldn't have attacked a Gore or Nader administration, right?

Nothing in your post changes what I posted in 22, your butthurt is duly noted.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-20 07:33 PM

"If madcow said it, it's not worth reading or listening to."

Why, is she a professional sports team owner?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-20 07:34 PM

I was responding to Clowny's ridiculous post that Bin Laden wouldn't have attacked a Gore or Nader administration

Prove me wrong.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-20 07:43 PM

Most people ignore the fact that Republicans were busy harassing Bill Clinton so badly over a -------- that he could not even do his job. All the while we were obsessing over Bill Clinton's penis Osama Bin Fishfood was in his cave planning the destruction of the World Trade Center.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy

Bill ran the tightest ship ever covering bin Laden, at least since the 1993 WTC bombing. He told Bush on inauguration day that bin Laden was the biggest terrorist threat to American security in history, and we had to grab him.

What did Bush do? He closed the CIA bin Laden desk, and the FBI bin Laden division (an entire FBI division, that's about 100 people) re-assigned to porn duty.

The result was inevitable. It's an old truism in the intelligence agencies: if you want someone dead, reduce their security. I can only imagine this was the Neo-cons idea to start the war they wanted. Thanks, Dick Cheney.

#42 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-10-20 08:03 PM

"He told Bush on inauguration day that bin Laden was the biggest terrorist threat to American security in history, and we had to grab him."

I believe Richard Clark, who was the National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection and Counter-terrorism for the United States, told Bush the same thing.

And he was demoted for doing so.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-20 08:31 PM

"George H.W. Bush put a major air base in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia which was forbidden under the orthodox Wahabi Muslim's religious beliefs. "

And a few years later, his son, President George W. Bush, acquiesced to Osama bin Laden's demands and closed the base.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-20 09:36 PM

harassing Bill Clinton
---

Maybe him and Weinstein could write a duet on tiny violins.

#45 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-10-22 01:11 AM

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