f you privatize education it will turn out like healthcare. Some get good health care, some get bad health care. Some will gate a good education, other will not. You cannot use universities as a comparison too a voucher system for K-12 unless everyone who wants a college education may easily obtain one.
Posted by Whatsleft at 2008-08-16 11:04 PM |
Does every child attend college? Are Universities required to take every applicant?
You are comparing apples to bowling balls.
Posted by 726 at 2008-08-16 11:04 PM
The point made was that vouchers would turn education over to people more concerned with making money then education,the counterpoint was that we currently have for-profit education systems that do quite well, so you can't make such a blanket statement without being dishonest. If you want to amend your argument to only include mandatory education and flesh out your argument, by all means do, but "education for money = bad" just doesn't fly.
I acknowledge there are differences in a mandatory education system, but I also believe there are ways to make it work. Currently we throw the baby out with the bathwater by claiming if one student fails, well then they all must fail equally. This is not a recipe for success. There will always be special cases and individuals that fall through any system, building an education system that centers around the lowest common denominator does not work.
Private school systems get more leeway with students, teachers, curriculum's and are less subject to the ebb and flow of current political trends, all good things. Of course "problem children" would still be given an education, and they would get the same resources every other student gets, to pretend giving them equal resources somehow means we're forgetting about them also strikes me as a bit of a stretch.
Obama still has not explained why he and his family sat for 24 years in the racist "church" of his beloved mentor Reverand Wright who preached Black nationalism every week either. Sure, Obama has now disavowed further relations with the "Reverand" Wright but only when it was politically expedient for him to do so and it took weeks. Of course Obama had nothing to do with Ayers as he was only 8 years old when the bombings took place but Obama has never fully explained either his present relationship with Ayers or really talked about his 24 year devotion to the racist Reverand Wright -- as evidenced by the fact that the other side is still able to use this against him. Why won't Obama talk about it?
There is blame to go around on both sides.
#44 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-11 01:08 PM |
I gotta say Chris. I completely disagree on both counts. Theres not much more to say about Reverend Wright. Obama gave a 20 minute speech and follow-up on his connections to the man. He talked about how he found the church and god there, and while the Reverend Wright comments may be unnerving, I have no problem believing the entire church wasn't based on that clip of rhetoric.
As to Bill Ayers...The man was part of a Radical anti-war group in the 1960's that never harmed a person. Noone was shot killed or bombed...So I have real trouble equating them with modern day terrorists.. The group dissolved when the Vietnam war ended and since then he's become a professor at a notable state university, a fervent community activist, and even received a citizen of the year award for his work in Chicago. The tenuous connections between Obama and Ayers really require no further vetting.. Obama has already decried his activities in the past.
Here's what I do believe... The plan's both Obama and Mccain have outlined will be the ones they will try and achieve in their first term.. with varying degrees of political capitol being spent on each one. I believe the stances they have made on how they will look to deal with foreign policy in the future. I think both men truly want the best for the country, I just like Obama's plan better and believe that the issues He will more likely focus on are the ones that concern me the most (Obama seems more likely to pursue Energy Independence then Mccain and that is a big one for me).
All the other crap is just that...crap... and the republicans do themselves a disservice by pursuing it..