How will they ever "Find Jesus" now?

Oh, finding Jesus won't be a problem. It's the non-approved deity's that are gonna be a task.

All right... they're getting away with this how exactly? I may be wrong, but I smell a Constitutional problem here. Unless all religious material is being purged... and admittedly I didn't read the article, are they doing that, or are they only purging non-Xian material (yes, jumping to conclusions)?

I wonder if they burned them.

They're purging material that "could lead to extremism", which includes C.S. Lewis.

Charley Colson is in, Leviticus out. herm

But he continued, "There's a lot about it that's weird." The lists "show a bias toward evangelical popularism and Calvinism," he said, and lacked materials from early church fathers, liberal theologians and major Protestant denominations.

There's a surprise. The Administration talibaptists at work. Given the number of Republicans filling the prisons, its really no surprise though.

Why not just give the prisoners the choice of Bible, Torah, Koran, and other religions' primary documents and let them figure it out instead of supplying propogandists to mislead them?

Of course, such an act is invisible to ACLU. Like a 'good neighbor' nowhere to be seen.

And once again Takeitez wins Stupidest Drudge Poster of the Month with his know-nothing right wing rants:

January 10, 2006

Newark, NJ - The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey has settled with the New Jersey Department of Corrections on behalf of Patrick Pantusco, an inmate who was denied religious books and other items while in prison. In the settlement, the State agreed to permit Mr. Pantusco access to all requested items and paid damages.

"We all have a right to exercise our religion, even people in prison," said Ed Barocas, ACLU-NJ Legal Director. "The State does not have the right to pick and choose which religions should be practiced and which should not."

Are you sure that is a WINNER NG3?

Looks like the typical ignorance that I have come to expect from the right.

Not sure if this one 'takes the cake' just yet. I'm sure there will be more to come.

Sorry to dig this up, but kind of fitting:


"William Shatner is a character name for television/movies of Star Trek fame, character (not a real life person...kind of like you and your story...make believe).
Posted by ride_on "

Remember that one?

I smell a Constitutional problem here.

Posted by LetUsReason at 2007-09-10 11:42 AM | Reply

Federal prisoners lose many of their Constitutional rights. That's why it's called P-R-I-S-O-N.

Except voting, of course, if they support a Democrat.

"Pantusco v. Moore
U.S. District Court/Direct

Steve Latimer/Loughlin & Latimer

Patrick Pantusco, an inmate in East Jersey State Prison in Rahway who practices Wicca, requested ACLU-NJ assistance in his efforts to obtain Wiccan books and religious items. He has consistently been denied the materials and told that, "This [Wicca] is not a recognized religion per Chaplaincy Dep't." There are federal cases however acknowledging Wicca as a religion. Among the claims against the State defendants is that they violated the federal Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which protects religious rights of inmates. The State moved to dismiss the RLUIPA claim, stating that Congress did not have the authority to pass such a law. On November 26, 2003, the ACLU-NJ submitted its brief defending the constitutionality of RLUIPA. In December 2003, the United States Attorney General also filed a brief defending the Act. We await a decision from the District Court judge."

find some examples where the aclu has taken up a "christian" or "jewish" cause.

what? did you two think nobody would check up on your link?

Federal prisoners lose many of their Constitutional rights. That's why it's called P-R-I-S-O-N.

Except voting, of course, if they support a Democrat.

Vernon, take a look at what Harris did for Bush in Florida in 2000. Not only prisoners didn't vote, but anybody whose name was similar to a prisoners' was excluded in predominently Democratic areas.

Now, carry on with your deluding...

BTW, prisoners are denied all sorts of materials which are detrimental to themselves and good order in the prison: many prisons do not allow pornography, for example, or horror movies on their taxpayer-funded cable TV.

Materials that incite hatred and violence (Nazi propaganda or Black Muslim tracts) fall into the same category.

there is only one path to God and that pisses everybody on the left off.

eyes on you...

NANC: If you read the decision, it applies to ALL religions.
Sorry to stick reality in again, but that's how the real world works.

If you read the article you saw this:
The ACLU-NJ is currently also involved in a religious freedom case involving a student. The ACLU-NJ submitted a motion to appear as a friend-of-the-court on behalf of Olivia Turton, who was denied the right to sing the song "Awesome God" at an after-school talent show in which the choice of song or skit performed was left up to each student.

Sounds pretty not wiccan to me.

there is only one path to God...

Theres also only one path to Santa. You better be nice!

And not to beat on braindead righties, but it is important that they get their daily dose of reality, (sort of bran for their brains):
The ACLU regularly defends the right to exercise one's religious beliefs. The free exercise cases that the ACLU takes protect religious practice. Just last week, the New Jersey Supreme Court agreed with the ACLU-NJ in a case concerning the dismissal of jurors on the basis of religion. In Nebraska, the ACLU recently defended a church facing eviction; the Pennsylvania ACLU represented a Baptist Church denied a zoning permit; the ACLU of Michigan represented a high school valedictorian whose Christian message in his yearbook was censored; the Massachusetts ACLU represented a student who received punishment for distributing candy canes with religious messages; the Iowa ACLU represented a student prohibited from distributing Christian literature at school; the Massachusetts ACLU defended the rights of a church to run "anti-Santa" ads in the Boston subways. The list goes on.

Vermin, when are you going to wake up? Here's a clue for you. The ACLU isn't a giant, powerful organization. They have limited resources so they need to choose their battles. Why should they waste time and resources defending gun rights when the NRA will obviously take care of it?
Here's another clue; white christians are in charge of this country. The ACLU rarely defends christians because christians rarely need to be defended. Conservatives have become so used to playing the victim that all they can do is ball about being victimized. You people actually believed that Christmas was going to be cancelled. Do you see how moronic that is?

And don't forget this, from the article:

The effort is unnecessary, the chaplain said, because chaplains routinely reject any materials that incite violence or disparage, and donated materials already had to be approved by prison officials. Prisoners can buy religious books, he added, but few have much money to spend.

Where is takitez, does he know he got po3ned?

"Of course, such an act is invisible to ACLU. Like a 'good neighbor' nowhere to be seen.

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And once again Takeitez wins Stupidest Drudge Poster of the Month with his know-nothing right wing rants:

January 10, 2006

Newark, NJ - The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey has settled with the New Jersey Department of Corrections on behalf of Patrick Pantusco, an inmate who was denied religious books and other items while in prison. In the settlement, the State agreed to permit Mr. Pantusco access to all requested items and paid damages.

"We all have a right to exercise our religion, even people in prison," said Ed Barocas, ACLU-NJ Legal Director. "The State does not have the right to pick and choose which religions should be practiced and which should not."

Posted by northguy3 at 2007-09-10 12:01 PM"

Of course, after being shown once again to be a complete fool, Takeitez is nowhere to be seen. (Ditto Vernon)

Here's an idea. If your religion is so important to you that you feel you must practice it above all else, then try staying out of prision.

"there is only one path to God and that pisses everybody on the left off. eyes on you..."

I've read this again and again and cannot quite figure it out. But it seems to me that the one path is either through Jesus or Colson, through Leviticus or Mitt Romney, through James Dobson or Iran's current ayatollah.

It would be such an act of - er - Christian charity for the right''s Nancy to pass along The Real Truth. From the left, herm

Herm:
All wrong. The only real religion is the Roman catholic Church.
Pope said so himself. If you're a member of any of the others, you ain't getting saved.

Vernon, take a look at what Harris did for Bush in Florida in 2000. Not only prisoners didn't vote, but anybody whose name was similar to a prisoners' was excluded in predominently Democratic areas.

Now, carry on with your deluding...

self retorting retort.

So they look to bar books in prisons? That'll never cell.

bar:
6. anything that obstructs, hinders, or impedes; obstacle; barrier: a bar to important legislation.
31. to prevent or hinder: They barred her entrance to the club.
32. to exclude or except: He was barred from membership because of his reputation.

Argh.

Ok, Oohrah. Good one!

(being too literal today - hazard of my employment!)

"Vernon, take a look at what Harris did for Bush in Florida in 2000. Not only prisoners didn't vote"

In other words,

prisoners voting = good for Democrats

Islam loves to recruit violent prisoners into their ranks because Islam needs homicidal maniacs, rapists etc. to spread Islam via Jihad.
Since the libfags would be outraged at banning only Islam in US prisons, the gov't can use the whole "seperation of church and state" (which liberals have jammed down everyones' throats for decades) to their advantage for once.

Ahhh... a few good gestures by ACLU is acknowledged.

but anybody whose name was similar to a prisoners' was excluded in predominently Democratic areas.

This is what you said. So, if my name was Tom Smith and there was a Tom Smith in prison then I didn't vote??? Every time?

I know there were problems with that in Florida idiot. That wasn't my point.

You are delusional and a conspiracy theorist.

Did I get you on that one, Yav? I thought about "turning the page" in "another chapter" of this issue... a prologue... binding, etc. I enjoy goofing off with words. Credit my mom, I guess. She was a ingliss teechur.

What line of work do you do?

Fuckedup:"Islam loves to recruit violent prisoners into their ranks because Islam needs homicidal maniacs, rapists etc. to spread Islam via Jihad.
Since the libfags would be outraged at banning only Islam in US prisons, the gov't can use the whole "seperation of church and state"

Since they are also hammering the hebes and altar-boy bangers, if you'd bother to read the article, or have someone read it to you, but not the talibaptists, maybe they aren't separating church and state so much as selecting A church for the state state.

And Eberly: Guess which candidate Harris and the CEO of the data company were big supporters of? Of course, that's just a coincidence.

And Eberly: Guess which candidate Harris and the CEO of the data company were big supporters of? Of course, that's just a coincidence.

NOrthguy, a simple response such as "yes, I am a fucking loon conspiracy theorist, so what?" would suffice. You don't have to type 3 paragraphs of hate and vitriol.

"Herm: All wrong. The only real religion is the Roman catholic Church. Pope said so himself. If you're a member of any of the others, you ain't getting saved."

Thanks, Northerner. I guess I can anticipate doing Eternity down where it's hot, along with my buddies from the ACLU, Unitarian church, Democratic Party and fellow clinic escorts. herm.

Herm: given the "false witness" posts from most of the Fighty Rightys here, they'll be with us as well. I'm betting most of them have eaten pork, or shellfish, or mowed the lawn on Sunday, or cut their hair too, so they're pretty well toastable.

It doesn't matter, they'll all miraculously find Jesus 15 minutes before their parole hearings anyway.

Why not just give the prisoners the choice of Bible, Torah, Koran, and other religions' primary documents and let them figure it out instead of supplying propogandists to mislead them?

That was going to be my retort as well. Armed with their respective basic holy books they can have their group prayers or whatever they do. Seems that would solve the issue.

"Why not just give the prisoners the choice of Bible, Torah, Koran, and other religions' primary documents and let them figure it out?"

Wouldn't common sense extend that just a little bit further and okay ANYone behind bars reading what he/she wants?

I suppose there's a hazard inherent in giving 'em Gandhi or Patrick Henry ("give me liberty or give me death"), but most hoosegows thse days are built solidly enough to withstand any idea.

Indeed, Playboy might even pacify 'em . herm

I'm sure no one will remove their Koran.

No books in prison not purchased or brought to them.

Any books bought or received must be shared with other prisoners, on demand and listed, but who must rent the volume and make deposit before receiving any book.

At no time will the cost of any reading material or other form of entertainment, outside dayroom television, accrue to the state or institution.

The only exception(s) will be one personal religious book and which does not have to be loaned or rented out. However, that book must also be purchased individually or received as a gift.

I'd subtract the television, too, if it were my prison to run ...

Taddy

I'd subtract the television, too, if it were my prison to run ...

Sounds like you'd be a good guy to run Halliburton's detention camps being built around the U.S. -- keep those costs down and the profits up.

Dear Chris, "We can compare the actions taken against US citizens as concerns such repression by this administration, and the Clinton one:

This administration's death toll asserting federal control of the people: None, zero (0)

Clinton's: 79 at Waco (21 children), and 2 at Ruby Ridge.

Clinton didn't even need to build camps for this effort to destroy the real enemy of America: Rightwing conservatives, and since he just needed to surround them, lay siege and burn them out (sorry burn them "IN").

However, that is typical of you leftist liars -- continuously projecting your faults onto others, so that no will will notice that you are the perverted, treasonous, subversive, intransigent ideologue who thinks about concentration camps, obsessively, and transfers the guilt onto their opponents ...

... scum who can do without TV as far as I'm concerned ...

"2 at Ruby Ridge."

Oops:

Hans says, "Oops"

Did I count incorrectly? There were more than two citizens killed at Ruby Ridge?

BTW, I consider that posting one-liners is a form of intellectual cowardice ... you are afraid of being contradicted and so you only say something which inference or meaning can be denied to save your egocentric face ...

... a chicken little ...

"Did I count incorrectly?"

Yep: Clinton was not in office on August 21, 1992.

Should have kept your mouth shut.

Hans

Hans comes back, "Should have kept your mouth shut."

How does my mistake about 2 deaths change the point? That point isn't about me, Hans, and although I know that you share the ilk's obsession with me, personally. It is about the fact that Leftist/Democratics are prone to using these tactics to control the population ... not conservatives or rightwingers who always promote the rule of law and strict adherence to the constitution of the United States!

It is the leftwing and liberals who want to restrict the constitution in areas they desire it to be done; e.g., inventing rights not listed and denying rights enumerated! The 2d Amendment being the most (and pertinent to this issue) infringed of them all ...

They are the ones sowing class envy in fearing and hating the "rich", but only conservative or rightwing "rich", not any leftist/democratic "rich" ...

Leftist/Democrats are the ones who mock and deny moral rules and regulations and think nothing of burning 21 children to death, in order to assure that one weapons violator is captured dead-or-alive!

Not the rightwing ... Not the conservatives ...

The Leftists and Democratics are those who murder children for the strict enforcement of a petty law !!!

"How does my mistake about 2 deaths change the point?"

Your "point," such as it was, was to slam Clinton, when your self-admitted mistake confused Clinton with Bush 41.

"The Leftists and Democratics are those who murder children for the strict enforcement of a petty law !!!"

So, Bush 41 (the "2 at Ruby Ridge.") is a "Leftists and Democratics"?

Should have kept your mouth shut.

Hans

"Leftist/Democrats are the ones who mock and deny moral rules ..."

Oops:

The face of the party of "moral values":

Ted Haggard (GOP* - Colorado)
Bob Allen (GOP* - Florida)
Larry Craig (GOP* - Idaho)
David Vitter (R - Best Little Whorehouse in Louisiana)
Mark Foley (GOP* - Florida)

* - Gives Oral Pleasure

Hans says, "Your "point," such as it was, was to slam Clinton, when your self-admitted mistake confused Clinton with Bush 41."

Indeed! However, the "slam" wasn't directed at Clinton, per se, but was rather an example of the type of "concentration camp" mentality which the Leftist/Democratic Clinton was a prime example. I thought including Ruby Ridge was picayune, anyway. I should have referenced the detention camps occupied by US citizens of Oriental heritage for several years ...

"So, Bush 41 (the "2 at Ruby Ridge.") is a 'Leftists and Democratics'?"

Too funny! Yes, I do! Well, not a "democratic" in name, but One World ideology? You bet!

"Should have kept your mouth shut."

I'm not afraid to take responsibility for my words, Hans Kuchen, or to fear presenting my opinion because of the chance of making a mistake.

You can't deny that it is the leftwing in this, and in the last century which has built the concentration camps, the ovens and the killing fields ... save any lies about Nazis being rightwing, and since that is a stupid lie ...

Hans lists:
Ted Haggard (GOP* - Colorado)
Bob Allen (GOP* - Florida)
Larry Craig (GOP* - Idaho)
David Vitter (R - Best Little Whorehouse in Louisiana)
Mark Foley (GOP* - Florida)

Thanks, Hans, I've been meaning to address this little tactic:

You list individuals as examples of bad moral character. The Republican party agrees, and has asked all of them to step-down, to resign, and haven't protected even one of them; as has the Democratic party protected and supported those of their party caught with bad moral characters.

No need to list the Democratic perverts, creeps, thieves, etc., because you know all about them, already! However, just ask for a litany ...

Anyway, the point being that THE Rightwing/Conservatives maintain strong moral and philosophical principles; despite any bad apples which attempt to corrupt the barrel.

... while Leftwing/Democratics keep and protect the corruption because they don't have strong moral and philosophical principles ...

They are actually unrepentent scum ... and have a tendency to repress and dictatorially control the population -- can't say this, can't say that, get burned to death even if you're innocent because the faithless, morally lacking leftwing/democratics have no regard for any one individual's life if it gets in their way ...

They Will Destroy You ... just look what that mob of scum do to an American general, one of their own when they see him in the way ...

What a bunch of backstabbing traitors!!!

"I'm one lucky conservative to have so many mullets on my line, eh?"

Yes, you certainly are. They're SOOOooo much fun, aren't they?

Jest asks, "They're SOOOooo much fun, aren't they?"

Well, I wouldn't go that far, exactly. It is more like the interest and fascination one gets from turning over a stone and finding squirming vermin there, underneath ...

An apt simile ...

"Well, I wouldn't go that far, exactly. It is more like the interest and fascination one gets from turning over a stone and finding squirming vermin there, underneath ..."

Now you KNOW what's gonna happen, don't you? In addition to Alex, you're gonna have that WildTree person all over you with a terrible knot in her panties for making that statement. I can't find much fault myself.

Jest says, "... WildTree person all over you with a terrible knot in her panties for making that statement. I can't find much fault myself."

I was just trying to be descriptive! Perhaps I should have said, "... the fascination of a snake house at the zoo."???