Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, August 04, 2007

Tom Tancredo, a Republican presidential hopeful, was reported to have said that the best way he could think of to deter a nuclear terrorist attack on the United States was to threaten to retaliate by bombing Islamic holy sites. "If it is up to me, we are going to explain that an attack on this homeland of that nature would be followed by an attack on the holy sites in Mecca and Medina." The US State Department denounced the suggestion as "absolutely crazy."

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Tancredo is acting like Obama. Yes, maybe the idea is good, but it's not something to be talked about in public.

Not quite.

What Obama's saying makes sense.

What Tancredo's saying is lunacy.

There's a difference.

He'd be smarter and more correct to drop a few bunker busters on the evangelical strongholds, right here in the good ol' USA. That should be part of the deal. And let's not forget the Vatican.
They have all cut their teeth on, and have mastered terrorist ideology.

"What Obama's saying makes sense.

What Tancredo's saying is lunacy." Posted by DOC_SARVIS

I expect the U.S. already has clandestine teams in Pakistan and Musharraf knows it. Obama's mistake was putting Musharaff on the spot by making the statement in public. On the other hand, I'm sure Tancredo went a long way toward getting Saudi Arabia up in arms. Not a good move on his part.

You got it Gitmoboy, they are all the same every religion is bad.

Even the Israelis know better not to do that.

If the terrorists manage to detonate an atomic bomb here in the U.S. it should be understood by them that yes, we well turn Mecca into a fucking parking lot and put a Wal-Mart or McDonnald's on it. This Muslim terror nonsense is getting tiresome and it has to stop.

Here's a question for you: If Pakistani armed forces encounter a US "clandestine team", what do you think their response will be? Further, what do you think the Pakistani air force's response to an attempted helicopter rescue would be?

"He'd be smarter and more correct to drop a few bunker busters on the evangelical strongholds, right here in the good ol' USA. That should be part of the deal. And let's not forget the Vatican.
They have all cut their teeth on, and have mastered terrorist ideology. Posted by GITMBOY

The evangelicals are a pain in the butt but they're not doing any beheadings I'm aware of. The Vatican may be terrorizing priests and all, but I don't think they're training children to be suicide bombers. For the life of me, I can't see how anybody with any resemblence of intelligence can compare Christian activity in this country to Islamofascist activity here and elsewhere.

Interesting. I just outlined a scenario that could possibly lead to a real nuclear exchange and you guys are debating whether to spare the Vatican.

The evangelicals are a pain in the butt but they're not doing any beheadings I'm aware of. The Vatican may be terrorizing priests and all, but I don't think they're training children to be suicide bombers.

For some weird reason, Jest thinks its more civilized to kill larger numbers of people with sophisticated weaponry.

Your stupidity and lack of honesty are breathtaking.
There are no gods, and those that believe so, ARE my enemy.
Tag. You're it.

Can anybody figure out what Gitmboy is saying?

See,only in amcerica, a lunatic can grow up and run for the presidancy

"Can anybody figure out what Gitmboy is saying?"

No

"For some weird reason, Jest thinks its more civilized to kill larger numbers of people with sophisticated weaponry."

Something you're smoking has shorted the circuits in your brain. How in hell did you arrive at a conclusion like that? Never mind...I don't really want to know.

Zed, answering your question:

What would happen is that we would have to deal with the consequences, be it alienating a supposed ally, war, etc. That is why clandistine operations should only be reserved for the highest of strategic objectives, like capturing or killing Bin Laden or destroying a huge terrorist camp, etc.

HTH

"Those that beleive so are my enemy...."

You and Chris Hitchens, advancing the frontiers of human morality.

Something you're smoking has shorted the circuits in your brain. How in hell did you arrive at a conclusion like that? Never mind...I don't really want to know.

Elementary logic my dear Jest. You seem to be suffering under the illusion that our military is doing the work of angels.

It is quite simple, Ray: All religions, all cults, are a threat to human existance.
They should be wiped from the history, and memory, of humanity.

They should be wiped from the history, and memory, of humanity.

One large sized asteroid would do the trick. You don't have to worry about your own existence. It'll be quick.

Once we dispense with religion, we'll all be free to read good comic books and get that special record for our collection.

It is quite simple, Ray: All religions, all cults, are a threat to human existance.
They should be wiped from the history, and memory, of humanity.

Posted by gitmboy
* * *

I didn't think Josef Stalin was still alive.

He's not-but his work is continuing-thru dick cheney.

Guess why Tancredo wouldn't even do it when the time came. It would ruin the largest cheapest oil field on the planet.

**** For the life of me, I can't see how anybody with any resemblence of intelligence can compare Christian activity in this country to Islamofascist activity here and elsewhere.

Posted by jestgettinalong ****

.......the Taliban and the Christian fundamentalists fascists are cut from the same cloth....or same sack of shit...depending on your perspective.....

......both want to restrict the rights of people who disagree with them........that is religious tyranny.......

Tancredo: Bomb Mecca
Al Qaeda: Bomb New York

I didn't think Josef Stalin was still alive.

Posted by rightisright


He's dead. But Cheney's still around if you want to leave a message.

Hey, why don't we bomb Mecca and put a pig farm in its place?

People Hate Christians and Chrisitianity, Because they make Judgements, it is so simple. they sau "hey that behavior is wrong and dangerous" The left doesn't want to hear that. Christians remind them that actions do have consequences and that perhaps after all this there is someone to answer too. theu want to be able to do what ever thay want and have it accepted. Like Homosexuals, I don't know a single christian who wants to degrade or derive them . But what hey do want is them to stop marching down the street in Butt-less chaps slobbering all over another guy saying "Look at me, I am special and you and your children have to accept it" and when they say No we don't . That's when the bigot word starts to fly. I think you should threaten Mecca and Medina, IF Al-qaeda threatens US Holy Places (New York, Las Vegas) you know the alters of Capitalism and hedonism, then it is the same isn't it?

Ever hear of the phrase by Teddy Roosevelt which says, "Speak Softly But Carry A Big Stick?" If these idiots thought for one minute Mecca, Medina or some other of their Holy landmarks were going to be bombed, including Qum, they would settle right down believe me.

Speak Softly And Carry A Big Stick.

The moderates would step on these radical "no nothings" so fast you would never know what happened.

" after all this there is someone to answer too(sic) "

Sorry, your imaginary friend doesn't exist.

Thus spake Zatoichi.

We will see!!! I am so shocked that the lefties are so against Nuking Mecca and Medina, Aren't those places in Saudi Arabia, I thought the left wanted Saudi Arabia attacked because The Bushes protected the Bin Ladens and were good friends with the royal family. "That would show that Damn Bush"

Let us get one ting straight shall we. Christians do not Judge people Church People judge people. What's the difference betwen a Church person and a Christian??

Christian Practices His/Her faith 24/7/365 and does not judge others.

Church person on Sunday goes to churchto make Himself look good while condemningthe sinners. Monday through Wednesday aftenoon He s out fucking everyone in the ass sans lube. Wednesday night He goes to church cause He has to keep up the immage that He belongs to Christ. Thursday through Saturday afernoon He is fucking people in the ass sans lbe still Now Saturday evening rolls around He is callng a Family Meeting sayingSally You and johnny no more drug abuse from now until Church is over sunday evening. We have to show We are "Christians" then Sunday rolls around same shit different Week.

Larry

"Look at me, I am special and you and your children have to accept it" and when they say No we don't. That's when the bigot word starts to fly"

"Look, I'm special"?

Actually it's more a case of "Don't look at me I'm equal".

The right has broken its anti-gay rights argument down to a) It's a choice they have made and it's an immoral one (wrong on both counts) and b) They want "special" rights not equal rights (Again, incorrect).

Denying people equal rights under the law is wrong no matter how thin ya slice it.

On Topic?

Bomb Mecca?

If ya want to insure a perpetual golbal war fer the next century or so then yeah, great idea. If not, then not so much.

Stank-credo is, of course, completely insane.

Tancredo, Brownback and Romney all deny evolution, ya know.

Fear them.

Be Well.

Just a couple of thoughts...

Extremist Islamist elements want a world conflagration. I believe it would delight most of them if the West were to bomb, even nuke, Mecca. At that point they will have achieved their goal. All Jihad, all the time, - even among previously rational Muslims.

What kind of sick mind threatens to nuke any city? Put a turban on him and I am sure he and OBL would be buddies. There is no rational political reason for such counterproductive bluster, - other than to appeal to the fanatical hate filled right wing base.

Mecca is a city in Saudi Arabia. By what rationale do we justify bombing a foreign nation's city based on the actions of rogue terrorist elements. If Timothy McVeigh had bombed a Federal building in Ottawa, would the Canadians have been justified in bombing New York City?

On second thought, maybe it makes sense that this wack job is a hero among many extreme rightwingers and racists.

---I expect the U.S. already has clandestine teams in Pakistan and Musharraf knows it.----



There ARE Amreekan soldiers in Pakistan with our soldiers, you dope. This is public info and Musharaf said so 4 years ago. There are at least 3 dozen people (maybe more now)... communications and intelligence... with us. They give us all the satellite pics and stuff when needed.

There is nothing clandestine about it.

It doesn't matter how your politicians... hungry for power like a junkie hungry for his next shot... want to spin it to make themselves look tough.
The relationship... on the ground... between Pak and US military is still working just fine.

Everything else is just politics Amreekan-style... like WWE Wrestling. Fake but enjoyable.

As goes Mecca, so goes the Vatican. Might take a few months or years longer, but it would be inevitable.

The single biggest lesson of history that we ignore is "Payback's A Bitch".

Bay . . . are you and Pat listening?

DUMBER AND VILER THAN DUBYA!

Tancredo sounds like Ahmadinejad and currently has as much power.

Christuians don't judge people, they make judgements on Behavior. God will Judge people. Canada is Basically France Only colder , No political will to fight anyone, As Australia is the former prison colony of Britain, Canada is the dumping ground for all whack job, lefty cowards that speak english )and some French)This went from Tancredo to Homo's And what right under the "constitution" do HOMO's not have ..And please don't say the right to visit my AIDS stricked Gay lover in the hospital? I am still trying to find that right in the constitution. And I Liker Tancredo, We will "destriy what is precious to you, if you do anything to us" that is a good startegy, Like the Old MAD of the cold war

America is a free country. Freedom of speech is sacrosanct. But HillBilly, that still doesn't mean it is a good idea for nutjobs like you to say anything. Maybe in the backwoods of Appalachia the notion of threatening nuclear death on innocent people passes for brilliance. But then again the rest of us don't have the benefit of moonshine.
I'll try to make this simple for you. During the cold war the Soviet Government was threatening the West. We responded by threatening the Soviet Government.
Currently, the West is threatened by amorphous Islamic terrorists spread out through the Middle East. Not by any government. Threatening to bomb a Saudi Arabian city is not a deterrent to these hardcore Islamists. In fact they would welcome it. It would bring on the ultimate HillBillyJihad from their perspective. Also, though many of us question the relationship, currently Saudi Arabia is considered a major ally of the US.

---- In fact they would welcome it. It would bring on the ultimate HillBillyJihad from their perspective.---


200% true!

It is amazing for me to see an American who realizes this.

Tom Tancredo, a Republican presidential hopeful, was reported to have said that the best way he could think of to deter a nuclear terrorist attack on the United States was to threaten to retaliate by bombing Islamic holy sites....


errrr, you all are forgetting a very important word used by Tom Tancredo -- "RETALIATE"

Tancredo is not nuking Mecca "pre-emptively" like Bush wants to do. Tancredo is saying that IF and WHEN a nuclear terrorist attack occured within the U.S. -- on our soil -- he would RETALIATE with bombing of Mecca and Medina.

And if Muslim terrorists did set off a nuclear bomb here on U.S. soil -- then yes, bomb the hell out of Mecca and Medina. And if it's Tancredo's threat of retaliation against their holy sites that keeps Muslim terrorists from nuking us here on our soil -- then we should all thank Tancredo.

Per CC: "Tancredo is not nuking Mecca "pre-emptively" like Bush wants to do."
- So Bush wants to nuke Mecca? I thought you were babbling endlessly about how Bush was in the Saudi's pockets? I say you are a liar. Show me a single source of Bush ever advocating the nuking of Mecca. You can't because you are lying.

I don't think the threat would be effectively deter the terrorists and it would probably be used very effectively by the jihadists in recruiting: "See, I told you! They want to destroy Islam!".


However, I'm not sure everyone who is calling this guy crazy is really representative of how the average American would think after this country gets nuke. You can't hold the moral high ground and survive once the enemy starts using nukes. Some people may value their sense of superiority more than their lives. They'd rather feel they didn't sink to the enemy's level than survive. Nobody will be indulging them their pretensions after a nuclear attack. Personally, I wouldn't consider retaliating in kind a moral dilemna at all. And I think that is much more representative of the average person because the will to survive is much stronger than modern pretenses.

And once it turns into a war for survival, we stop caring about civilians and truely focus on doing whatever it takes to win with as little loss as possible because that it the common sense way to win a war. If it is an Islamic rather than national ideology that motivates the enemy, then the enemy capital is Mecca. It would make sense to nuke the place if only because the most delusional zealots would continue to make The Haj even after the place gets nuked. They'd poison themselves off. Hopefully they understand that doing something as stupid as nuking New York would force us to do things equally horrific. The Soviets did.

The only place they can even dream of getting a nuke is from Pakistan... and that would be impossible.

If it were possible, they would've got it by now. God knows, they have tried. LOL

The second possibility is Iran.. oh wait... Iran doesn't have any.

Nothing to worry about, the sky isn't falling.

Like I said, American politicians are only having a virtual pissing contest. All this hot air is only to make them seem "tough". It is no wonder why Amreekan elections are called "the greatest show in earth". Too many clowns.

It doesn't take much to get an American excited these days, huh?

Is it boring in Amreeka these days? Nothing else on TV?

LOL

I say we take our money, build the largest rocket engine that's ever been built and just give the world a spin. It'll be cool and helmets will be optional. Just imagine it, 6 billion astronauts on one space ship.

Up up and away!

Or is that, round and round we go?

I do enjoy a good sippin moonshine, And I am not for pre-emptive, I simply said that if the mooselams did something horrenodus to our civilain population and if they did do it would be one of the Dems East coast metropolis strongholds, I doubt they would nuke "Ole Rocky top" I beleive turning their holy sites into molten rock would say to them "'Okay If it's Jihad you want..You got it"

----moose-lams----


Who? Canadians?

You left out the "b."

It's moose-lambs.

Get them Canucks drunk enough and neither moose nor lamb are safe.

...moose-lams

Who? Canadians?

Canadian Muslims is called Moose-lams now?

Who'da thunkit?

Be Well.

Get them Canucks drunk enough and neither moose nor lamb are safe.

Posted by Zatoichi


Like this?

LiveLeak.com - Hizbollah Terrorist Escaping on his Bike Gets Taken Out

www.liveleak.com

Get them Canucks drunk enough and neither moose nor lamb are safe.

Haffing sex with a Moose is a federal offence up here in the great white north.

Get caught and the cops come lookin' fer ya.

...And then you'll have to go *a-hem* on the lam!

Sorry, that was pretty
baad!

Be Well.

I always wondered about Bullwinkle and Dudley Do-Right.

Hey Punjab...all that old school scab picking you're throwing around the room is wasted here. Even the dullest of the lock-step trolls that habituate this fetid stump can recognize a thinly-veiled plea for attention, especially when you slather on all that pedantic special sauce. Just sayin'.

My unsolicited advice is that you spend a little time cleaning up your own backyard, then get back to us about the condition of ours. I've been to your country. It's a dust bucket run by a star chamber of religious wind bags that still think it's the 14th century. What have you guys got against indoor plumbing, anyway?

The truth is that inside every Pakistani I've ever met, there was a couch potato American trying to get out. Deal with it.

---I've been to your country.----


Easy to claim, hard to prove.



---It's a dust bucket run by a star chamber of religious wind bags----


It is run by the PML-Q party. They are not religious at all.

See? I have already proven you a bullshitter. LOL


---The truth is that inside every Pakistani I've ever met, there was a couch potato American trying to get out. Deal with it.---


We feel it is our right to use the US like toilet paper... we have no problem with it. Consider it a soft invasion.... and when we say "you've got WMDs" we are right! LOL

Tosser, you are coming very close to relegating yourself to the status of "troll". If you want your comments to be taken seriously, avoid that. Making gratuitous insults about the US is about the surest way of never being taken seriously again. Like when certain rightwingers start bagging on Muslims just because they hate Muslims. Nobody respects them. You don't want to go down that road.

Amreeka is made for everyone (this is what they keep saying)... so why not come to Amreeka to piss, shit, fuck and barf?

You bet, we got a little Amreekan in all of us. You guys are fun! (actually, I mean "stupid") LOL

I always wondered about Bullwinkle and Dudley Do-Right

Apparently there was that one time when a drunken Dudley did haff sex with Bullwinkle but he later claimed that he had mistaken Bullwinkle for Nell Fenwick who Dudley later married but subsequently divorced after finding out she had just married him for his horse.

Dudley turned to drink and despair and Bullwinkle slid into the underground world of cartoon porn and disappeared.

Nell later married Dudley's Horse and founded a PETA colony in Newfoundland.

Thanx fer askin'.

Be Well.

I think if we ended up Nuking Mecca the end of the world would be upon us for sure.

"founded a PETA colony in Newfoundland"

Well shit, that explains everything.

MODER8


Per CC: "Tancredo is not nuking Mecca "pre-emptively" like Bush wants to do."
- So Bush wants to nuke Mecca? I thought you were babbling endlessly about how Bush was in the Saudi's pockets? I say you are a liar. Show me a single source of Bush ever advocating the nuking of Mecca. You can't because you are lying.

Posted by moder8 at 2007-08-04 04:01 PM | Reply




It ALWAYS amuses me so to see you continually rush to defend Bush as often as you can. I always knew you were a Bush-toady globalist in disguise.

As for Bush using nukes pre-emptively on Medina and/or Mecca -- well Bush ALWAYS said he would use nukes pre-emptively ON ALL TERRORISTS or on those WHO PROMOTE TERRORISM -- because Bushie said they are "all one and the same."

We KNOW for sure that the Saudis are funding millions of dollars over the the Sunnis in Iraq to kill our troops. That makes the Saudis "facilitators of terrorism" under the Bush requirements. Ergo, Saudi Arabia (WHICH INCLUDES THE HOLY SITES) is eligible to be nuked according to Bush:

www.sobrans.com

December 12, 2002

The Bush administration's threat to use nuclear weapons against Iraq, though thinly veiled in circumlocutions, should tell us all we need to know about the American image in the world today. The United States, once so admired over most of the earth, is now seen as a nuclear bully. No wonder it's called "the great Satan" by Muslims and "arrogant" even by its European friends. And President Bush thinks they hate us for "our freedom, our democracy"?

The warning is supposed to deter Iraq from using weapons of mass destruction against American forces and allies, even though (1) we don't know that Iraq has such weapons, and (2) the administration has told us repeatedly that deterrence doesn't work against Iraq.

Iraq hasn't threatened the United States, in spite of Bush's raving on the subject. The United States definitely threatens Iraq. And it has forfeited the right to describe Iraq's or any other regime as "evil."

Even possessing these terrible weapons amounts to a threat to use them. But until now, most nuclear-armed states have at least been discreet about brandishing them. Bush has crossed a fateful line. He claims the right to use nukes, as well as conventional warfare, preemptively.

For decades Americans have worried about nukes falling into "the wrong hands," as if there were "right hands" for weapons of mass murder. Well, those weapons are in the wrong hands now: Bush's hands.

Washington is in an uproar about Trent Lott's offhand compliment at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, but it has taken Bush's mad-dog threat in stride. What sort of "war on terrorism" is this, which terrorizes the whole world?



----Making gratuitous insults about the US is about the surest way of never being taken seriously again.---


Making gratuitous insults about non-Americans is about the surest way of ME not taking you seriously. This place is full of it.

As it is, I have little respect for you monkeys.


---Nobody respects them.----


Nobody "American" respect them, you mean.

I can live with that. LOL. What they hell would I want with the respect of an American?

---Like when certain rightwingers start bagging on Muslims just because they hate Muslims.----



This is a lefty site, yes? Most are lefty here, yes?

And you claim that "rightwingers bag on muslims"? LOL

CC, I am still waiting for you to actually respond to my earlier post. You claimed that GWB advocated the nuking of Mecca. You lied. You have yet to post one statement where GWB mentions the nuking of Mecca. Amorphous statements about going after terrorists is completely different from advocating the nuking of Mecca. And you of course know that is true. So instead of trying to spin your statement, why don't you just admit you lied. Just admit you are a liar. Just admit it is impossible to take anything you say seriously. And move on.

---Ergo, Saudi Arabia (WHICH INCLUDES THE HOLY SITES) is eligible to be nuked according to Bush:----



You are "reaching"... making a stretchy connection.

Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorism

Many of the 9-11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia

Saudi arabia is FUNDING TERRORISM SUPPORT to Sunnis in Iraq

Now, like Iran (who Bush wants to NUKE) is seeking to build a nuclear program.

Saudi arabia FITS ALL OF BUSH'S CRITERIA of a "state sponsoring terrorism" that could be "pre-emptively nuked"


Sorry -- this article was to be with my last post but it disappeared when I posted it:


"Saudia Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help"

March 28, 2006

BERLIN (AFX) - Saudi Arabia is working secretly on a nuclear program, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reported in its latest edition, citing Western security sources.

It says that during the Haj pilgrimages to Mecca in 2003 through 2005, Pakistani scientists posed as pilgrims to come to Saudi Arabia.

Between October 2004 and January 2005, some of them slipped off from pilgrimages, sometimes for up to three weeks, the report quoted German security expert Udo Ulfkotte as saying.

[HOW MUCH MORE OF A LINK TO THE HOLY SITES, SPONSORING TERRORISM, AND WMD'S DO YOU NEED????]

Pakistan's nuclear weapons 'because it is Saudi Arabia which ultimately co-financed the Pakistani atomic nuclear program.'

The magazine also said satellite images indicate that Saudi Arabia has set up a program in Al-Sulaiyil, south of Riyadh, a secret underground city and dozens of underground silos for missiles.

According to some Western security services, long-range Ghauri-type missiles of Pakistani-origin are housed inside the silos.



----Saudi arabia is FUNDING TERRORISM SUPPORT to Sunnis in Iraq----


Sez who? YOUR secret squirrel guys?

We all know the sexed-up "intelligence" that is cooked up on demand by Amreeka. "Iraq has WMDs!!!". LOL

We all know the sexed-up "intelligence" that is cooked up on demand by Amreeka. "Iraq has WMDs!!!". LOL...

I know Bush LIED, and YOU know that Bush LIED about Iraq's WMD's. But that didn't stop him from bombing them did it? So what makes you think a little thing like lying about Iran or Saudia Arabia is going to stop Bush from using nukes on other countries? Hmmm?

----Saudia Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help"----


Utter crap.


----According to some Western security services, long-range Ghauri-type missiles of Pakistani-origin are housed inside the silos.----


The Ghauri is the only liquid-fueled missile we have. All our other missiles are solid fueled.

The Saudis will never have a liquid fueled missile when they can have a longer range solid fuel one.

Like I said, utter crap.

----Saudi arabia is FUNDING TERRORISM SUPPORT to Sunnis in Iraq----


Sez who? YOUR secret squirrel guys?


In that case the Saudis did not deny it. They tried to justify it, but didn't deny it.

Pakistan, just like everywhere else, is capable of producing brilliant, original minds.

nobelprize.org

I don't know if they denied it or didn't. I don't understand Arabic (and neither do you). Such things are announced in their Arabic media.

Maybe they found it not worth responding to?


---So what makes you think a little thing like lying about Iran or Saudia Arabia is going to stop Bush from using nukes on other countries? ----


Ok.. thats true enough.

---Pakistan, just like everywhere else, is capable of producing brilliant, original minds.---



Yes.. him...

If he had had his way, Pakistan would never have got nukes. Extreme pacifist to the point of being silly.

---They tried to justify it----

You are saying *their Govt.* spokesperson or someone, tried to justify it?

They said that? Officially?

Even if they are doing something, it would be very unlike them to justify anything openly.

You must have misunderstood, perhaps?

The Saudis denied "organized" terrorism funding but admitted that their citizens (what's the difference -- only a play on words) are sending money to Iraq Sunni insurgents who kill our troops.

Saudi citizens funding terrorism attacks by Sunnis in Iraq


From one of the links within the linked article in my 4:04 p.m. post -- and what they are doing fits EXACTLY with what Bush said met his requirements for "sponsoring terrorism"

CAIRO, Egypt: Private Saudi citizens are providing millions of dollars in funding to Sunni insurgents in Iraq, much of it used to buy weapons including anti-aircraft weapons, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraq. But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report released Wednesday also cited Saudi individuals as a source of Sunni insurgent funding.

Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, told The Associated Press recently that most of the Saudi money comes from private Islamic donations inside Saudi Arabia, known as zakat. Some Saudis appear aware the money is headed to Iraq but others merely give it to clerics who then send it on, they said.

In one recent case this fall, US $25 million from Saudis went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to purchase weapons, including Russian-made Strela anti-aircraft missiles obtained in Romania, apparently through the black market, one Iraqi official said.

Overall, the money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni Muslim bastion, since the 2003 U.S.-led war that toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of Saddam Hussein, the two officials said.

---but admitted that their citizens----


That's what I thought....

You know, I'm sure, that many of their citizens make enough money to put a small-sized country's GNP to shame.

It would take only *one* Saudi to start something.

Normal folk can only dream of that kind of money-muscle... but that is what they have.

And it is almost impossible to control. No country can keep watch over every single one of it's citizens.

---Russian-made Strela----


Useless.



---Islamic donations inside Saudi Arabia, known as zakat.---



"Zakat" is the "poor tax". Rich muslims... once a year... give 2.5 percent of their income to the poor.

If you are Sunni, you *never* give to a damn cleric (Sunnis are against a priesthood). If you are Shia (like Iranian), you ALWAYS give to a cleric (Shia are for a priesthood).

This story looks like a hatchet job to twist Saudi arms.

"a hatchet job to twist Saudi arms."

Posted by Tosser


Follow the money.

So does Bush err on the side of caution when it come to the Saudis possibly funding terrorism within Iraq and killing innocent iraqi citizens and more than 3600 U.S. military?????

Noooooooooooo.

Bush instead turns around last week and gives the Saudis MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in weapons.

It only takes one to start a war. The Guy shot shot Arch -Duke Ferdinand, Adolf Hitler...And now a crazy Mooselam...SO if your country, an "Isalmic Republic" cannot teach your people that Beheradings, suicide bombings or flying planes into buildings is a "bad" thing, your "Islamic Republic" will suffer the consequences. It is very funny that lefties claim that the Oklahoma City Bomber represents all Christian Mentality (even though he said he did it in retailiation for WACO) But you don't want to hold the entire Mooselam community accountable to actions taken by a large portion of the mooselam society

If I had to bet on someone mucking things up for you in Iraq, that would be Iran.

Saudis are not fighting people. If you say BOO, they will stop. Iranians, however, are known in-your-face troublemakers.

That's what I see from my end anyway.

Anyway, none of this matters. What matters is to recruit cops in Iraq... stop this nonsense about training an Iraqi army. Arabs can't fight shit... they need cops and more cops... and engineers to fix up the place. Things will settle down.

The US can have the bigest leverage on the Arab world... not by threatening with nukes... but by threatening to stop buying their oil.

I know you can't. But if you could... they would kill themselves if you stop buying their oil. (switch to electric cars soonest!)

We feel it is our right to use the US like toilet paper... we have no problem with it. Consider it a soft invasion

Posted by Tosser at 2007-08-04 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag


Too late. 30 million illegal aliens from Mexico already beat you to it.

TOSSER

The US can have the bigest leverage on the Arab world... not by threatening with nukes... but by threatening to stop buying their oil....

Don't you get it yet? Haven't you read the Neocons' bible -- PNAC ?
Bush and the Neoncons have no intentions to keep on buying Arab oil -- they intend to OWN it.

---30 million illegal aliens----



Are you people nuts?

30 million?

We had 3 million Afghans come into Pakistan (they never left) and we have been FUCKED ever since!

Mexicans may be nice people, but 30 million is a lot.

--- Don't you get it yet? ---


Yeah I get it... I am just telling you what the REAL Arab nightmare is... something they never talk about. That the world... specially the US.. will stop buying their oil because of some breakthrough in battery storage technology.

It keeps them awake at night, believe it or not.

Follow the money.

Posted by Zatoichi

Good advice Zat...you should follow it sometimes:>)


Lucky Larry Dials 911, Too

fourwinds10.com

"It keeps them awake at night, believe it or not."

Posted by Tosser

It should.
www.rmi.org

I am just telling you what the REAL Arab nightmare is... something they never talk about. That the world... specially the US.. will stop buying their oil because of some breakthrough in battery storage technology....

Tell the Arabs not to worry. You forget Bush and Cheney are big oil boys and have oil, not blood, running thru their veins. They would never allow a thing like new technology or "for the good of the world" to get in the way of their oil profits.

"you should follow it"

I bought DELL in '91.
Blow me.

"you should follow it"

It's in my account.

BANI

FASCINATING article. Thanks for the link.

I was never one to believe Bush was connected to 9-11 -- even to "allowing" it to happen via negligence -- but there is SO MUCH proof coming out now linking the Bush Crime Family/bin Ladin family/Middle East/Carlyle Group/Saudi connections and $$$$$$$$$$$$$ -- lots of it -- it's almost impossible not to see it anymore.

I post the exact same link over a year ago, CC:>)

BANI

from your link -- very interesting

...One thing is for sure, the decision to "pull" [intentionally implode] WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history -- including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building's tenants:


US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank


The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.

What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.

Incidentally, it's worth noting that one of Lucky Larry's closest friends -- a person with whom it's said he speaks almost daily by phone -- is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu....

I bought DELL in '91.
Blow me.

Posted by Zatoichi


Well Dell lets people not to have buy Vista when getting their new computers ~ smart company!:>)


I post the exact same link over a year ago, CC:>)

Posted by Bani at 2007-08-04 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag


I remember that crazy "Building 7" thread we had on here. Must have missed your link or didn't read it thru. One's brain would explode assorbing everthing in every link -- at least mine would. I recently heard a radio talk show comment about Marvin Bush dealing with security and 9-11 and these buildings. Funny how so many American tragedies -- savings and loan debacle, 9-11, Katrina negligence, Iraq war and war profiteering -- all have Bush crime family connections.

"assorbing" -- should be "absorbing"

The terrorist are stupid anyway, they cut there own throats by nuking a city, that is where all there support is in New York, Detroit, Baltimore , Washinton DC. What would they do without the ACLU, CAIR, NAACP, NOW, Code Pink, the DNC, There would be no one here to protreect them from the wrath of an American War Machine bent on Revenge, So I say let them do it, Then we can free up the ropes that bind Americans from West Virgina to Arizona, to put a serious Hurt on the barbarians of the world

Daily Kos: Eric Edelman: key conspirator in Sibel Edmonds case


www.dailykos.com

some latest info on the 911 disinfo saga for u ~ CC:>)

Then we can free up the ropes that bind Americans from West Virgina to Arizona, to put a serious Hurt on the barbarians of the world

Posted by HillBillyJihad

hanging out in the WH? Right?:>)

No, Not hanging out in the coffe houses, bath houses or crack houses that you lefties do, Hanging out in the farmers houses, granmas' house and Houses of worship thorought the land of freedom, Not in the bastions of socialism and anti-americanism..

Not a socialist, HillBillyjhiad.

Do you want to buy some tons of gold from us @ a 6% discount off London's second spot price of the day of sale?:>)

WTF does that mean?

means I like making money & keeping it ~ rather than voting for DEMS & REPs who steal it thru an illegal tax system supporting illegal wars & what nots:>)

IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

The Internal Revenue Service has lost a lawyer's challenge in front of a jury to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax, and the victorious attorney now is setting his sights higher.
Tom Cryer will be our guest this Saturday on the GCN What Really Happened radio show. - M. R.
www.worldnetdaily.com

"Hanging out in the farmers houses, granmas' house and Houses of worship thorought the land of freedom"

Freedom? What Freedom? Tell me. What are you free to do without government permission first? Work maybe? nope, need permission to do that.
Drive? need permission for that too.
Move about freely? Need a permit to even enter the national forests that surround us.
Eat the foods you like? nope, the FDA has to ALLOW it first.

Maybe you can come with something? Look around HillBilly. Your supposed freedoms are dissapearing by the day.

Off to see Fantastic Four 2!


later:>)


Final Pieces to 911?

www.rense.com

"If it is up to me, we are going to explain that an attack on this homeland of that nature would be followed by an attack on the holy sites in Mecca and Medina."

If we are not up to following this advise then we are simply not serious about winning as Rush and the republicans claim. It says we are willing to send your children to fight and die for Exxon and Mobil so you don't have to car pull or take the bus and our stock prices will continue to rise while we bankrupt the US and burden those coming after us for a hundred years. This is one action that if threatened and their is no doubt about its swift sure reaction I am willing to bet those countries will do everything they can to reign these idiots in.

----This is one action that if threatened----


The Arabs can also make a threat... one that you won't believe until it hits you on the head like a ton of bricks. It will require Pakistan's cooperation and will make us your enemy for life... but that is going to happen anyway, I guess, so no problem.

They will threaten to put tiny tactical nukes down their oil wells and make most of the oil in the Mid East useless forever... well for 10,000 years anyway. It would be committing economic suicide but they will do it if they feel they have run out of options.

I am sure this will make America reign in it's idiots. (Obama, Tancredo, Chimpy, half of Amreeka, etc.)

They will threaten to put tiny tactical nukes down their oil wells and make most of the oil in the Mid East useless forever... well for 10,000 years anyway. It would be committing economic suicide but they will do it if they feel they have run out of options....

Well, that's one way of dragging Bush and his oil boys kicking and screaming into doing research and development of alternative fuel sources.

There is already great distrust between America and the Arab world. You view us as terrorist fanatics. Many of you have maybe never met a Muslim yet still hate us.

In such an environment threats of mass murder are not useful. It is not possible for Arabs to trust America when we hear the rhetoric of your prominent politicians.

Casual comments about using an atomic bomb on our holiest city is no way to build understanding between our very different cultures.

Such comments do not have a deterrent effect. Fanatics insane enough to use an atomic weapon against innocent Americans will not be concerned with any threat of retaliation made by any American. Such fanatics believe that if mass murder occurs then it is the will of God. The only concern of such an insane mind is the promise of paradise upon death. For such people there is no other concern.

I hope it was only for political profit that Representative Tancredo made such an alarming statement. In any case, it is most unacceptable.

The problems which divide us are only worsened by such irresponsible statements. I hope most of you on this site realize that.

---You view us as terrorist fanatics.----



I'm from Pakistan and I view them as Cunts.

Now showing...!!!... "Terrorist vs Cunt."

THAT would be one hell of a movie... almost as good as "Zeppelin vs. Pterodactyls: the lost film" (the best movie in the world).

www.youtube.com



----Many of you have maybe never met a Muslim yet still hate us.----



I've never met a real white American ... though I've got them in my family (from someplace in Texas)... so I can't afford to "hate" the bastards.

I still think they're Cunts.

"Zeppelin vs. Pterodactyls"

It's got John Wayne in it.... somewhere...

""So I say let them do it, Then we can free up the ropes that bind Americans from West Virgina to Arizona, to put a serious Hurt on the barbarians of the world""

Kind of Barbarian on Barbarian. WE take our most ignorant and easily duped group to fight their most ignorant and easily duped group. Great idea.
Plus our guys will all be related to each other so that "band of brothers" concept will actually be literal.

"Casual comments about using an atomic bomb on our holiest city is no way to build understanding between our very different cultures"

Posted by allahakbar at 2007-08-05 03:48 AM

Well That is too bad, Obviously we understand enough, your silence and in some case jubilation when 3000 Americans were killed on 9/11 and the continual. Understanding? apparantly the only thing mooselams understand is death, So I say give them what they want, it just seems that if the fanatics see millions of their fellow mooselams vaporized in the blink of an eye, they might think twice. i am afraid that is the only thing that will make them use those 9th century brains of theirs for anything except a blood sponge

"Casual comments about using an atomic bomb" are indicative of outright stupidity.

Let's see, Hillbilly:

Muslim radical wackoids launch a terrorist attack in the US.

The US responds by nuking Mecca, almost certainly not inflicting any damage on anyone involved in the planning or execution of the terrorist attack.

Stick to shooting squirrels with your BB-gun.

Hillybilly... today's date on the Lunar Calendar is Sunday, Rajab 20, 1428 A.H.

LOL

The stupidity of some people on this website is apparent when they confuse the Lunar Calender with the Solar (western) Calender and say "muslims live in the 15th or 9th Century" (notice they can't even get THAT right).

We live in the 14th Century.... which is right now. It is the Lunar Calender date. hahahahahahahaa

Hillbilly don't have no need whatsomever for one that thar Loony Calendar. He work on Dawgpatch Time, where it always time for sippin white lightnin, eatin biskuts n' gravai, n' chasin them purty, purty pigs up n' down the holler.
Yrs,
Lil' Abner