Please run, Hillary. You've got to continue the saga of Gore and Kerry. I think you're more of a man than either of them.

Hillary will NOT run in 2008....fact.

In all honesty, I'm praying that Hillary chooses NOT to run in 2008. While I'm confident that she could win, I fear that there are people on the Right who would make her candidacy an excuse for taking actions that would tear the nation apart. This time around they may not be content with depending on the office of the special prosecutor to see to it that a Clinton Presidency is destroyed. I fear that they may try something that costs significantly less than $70+ million, but which will be much more PERMANENT in it's effectiveness. The day that so-called "supporters" of an opposition party removes either the candidate for, or the holder of, the Office of President by force of violence, is the day that the United States will cease to exist.

OCU

OCU, I also think Hillary should not run tin 2008. I believe she needs more Senate experience and exposure. Besides, I'm not sure who wants to take over the HUGE MESS the current administration has gotten us into,and have to take the lumps for a pull out. Of course, the Republicons will all jump up and down, hollering "cut and run,cut and run,cut and run".So I think Hillary would be wise to wait until 2012

She would be wise not to run. Surely she has got advisers telling her there is no way she could win. She would not get a dozen votes here in the deep south. She is doing a good job where she's at.

Agree she needs to stay where she is..

The day that so-called "supporters" of an opposition party removes either the candidate for, or the holder of, the Office of President by force of violence, is the day that the United States will cease to exist.

OCU

Posted by oldCADuser at 2006-09-03 02:00 AM | Reply

I've heard many liberals talk about violence against W; I haven't heard ANY conservatives ever talk about violence against Clinton (male or she-male).

Unreality?

All I heard was talk of violence against Clinton and his wife when he was President! Wishes for it, the best graphic scenario for him and his "lesbian" wife, you name it. Amazing you somehow missed it all (I doubt it).

Your partisan comment directed at a statement that wasn't partisan shows you are a hack. You have invalidated your own point and proved the fallacy of your own argument.

I fear that there are people on the Right who would make her candidacy an excuse for taking actions that would tear the nation apart... The day that so-called "supporters" of an opposition party removes either the candidate for, or the holder of, the Office of President by force of violence, is the day that the United States will cease to exist.

Posted by oldCADuser at 2006-09-03 02:00 AM | Reply

Your partisan comment directed at a statement that wasn't partisan shows you are a hack. You have invalidated your own point and proved the fallacy of your own argument.

Posted by YAV at 2006-09-03 10:51 AM | Reply


Hey YAV,
try again. He specifically mentions the right and it is more than implied to whom he is referring to. Not exactly nonpartisan.

Chupame,
You are right. I did NOT do my homework--but c'mon, Ann Coulter? You can get her on record saying all kinds of things! haha

I've heard alot more "assasinate Bush" than I ever heard "assasinate Clinton" or the like. Do you disagree on where the bulk of the "assasination" talk has been?
(BTW, I voted for Clinton, and later voted for W--you could say I was pretty firmly behind each of them at the time--I know that won't make any friends on ANY side of the political argument here).

"whether to impeach or assassinate"

So why isn't The Chupacabra in PRISON?!?!?!?

You are right. I did NOT do my homework--but c'mon, Ann Coulter? You can get her on record saying all kinds of things!

Yes, a lot of processed food waste(read:shit) comes out of Coulter's mouth, but you said "heard none" and I just wanted to give a small example. One the other hand, Clinton didn't get us into a war without end, costing thousands of lives, a trillion dollars(or more)and destabilizing the middle east more than it already was. But to his credit, ole Georgie has delivered for his fat oil buddies, to the tune of multi billion dollar profits,cut social programs for everyone but the rich(see inheritance tax).

So why isn't The Chupacabra in PRISONPosted by DATA

Please DATA, do not associate andy coulter even remotely with the word Chupame!

Kirk, I disagree. It doesn't match my experience.

I took OCU's post in two parts, his general concerns about the language heard from the right and second something that both sides should agree. It's interesting what you copied from the context of his paragraph. If I hadn't read the entire thing, I might agree with you.

I know of no "voice of the Democrat" that's called for assassinations, but the Right has the rhetoric of Ann Coulter, championed by the Right leaning "press" and of course that paragon of morality, Pat Robertson. Oh, and the "rights" mouthpiece (since the left constantly gets Michael Moore thrown at us as being our mouthpiece, this is as fair) isn't content with assassination of our elected leaders, she wants US Citizens assassinated as well, and the New York Times bombed.

It's your party. Perhaps you should exercise the tenet offered to Muslims: Cut the cancer out.

Nobody wants Bush assassinated, not with Cheney in the wings.
Then again, as evil as he is, Cheney would gladly cut a deal with Iran or al queda, if he could make enough money out of it. Halliburton was working with an oil company in Iraq until the Iranian government punted it recently.

Hillary not run? But she promised Chelsea a Rose Garden wedding.
The only reason I might like a Hillary candidacy is to watch the conniptions of the right wingers. And then, if she won, watching all of them move out of the country as they promised to do time and again if she was ever elected.

So if Hillary doesn't run in '08, exactly what is the GOP going to run against?

Hillary is their dream candidate, they can just sit back and say 'Do you really want HER as your president?' and easily eak out 51%.

But without Hillary, the GOP is going to have to work their ass off to convince this nation to follow up 8 years of Bush with another Republican.

Right now the only way I'd ever vote GOP in '08 is if the Dems are guaranteed to hold the House and Senate

I sure hope she doesn't run. She's just a rabble-rouser who launches into bouts of righteous indignation whenever it's politically convenient (the example that always sticks out in my mind is when Hillary the Saint announced her support for investigating violent videogames, movies, etc. According to her logic, violence didn't exist before Nintendo came around - to borrow a line from David Cross, "what was that videogame Hitler gave to his army?).

If Hillary's the best the Democrats can do, they oughta pack it in right now IMHO.

Not to mention that we oughta just go ahead and end the Bush-Clinton dynasty...more or less the same 2 groups of people have been calling the shots since 1980, and look at the trajectory this fading republic is on now...

Of course, the Republicons will all jump up and down, hollering "cut and run,cut and run,cut and run".So I think Hillary would be wise to wait until 2012


Not all of us would be yelling that. Some of would be thankful that someone finally took a stand whether it's right or wrong.
We've got issues in our own backyard. We need to get away from this idea that we are the watchdogs for the world. Let those people sort out their own issues.

She would not get a dozen votes here in the deep south.

If a democratic candidate, even Hillary, came out and laid down where they really stand on issues that concern Americans, I think you'd find quite a few "deep southerners" would vote for him or her.

But that's not going to happen because the politicians will only tell you what will get them elected. They'll smile that winning smile, shake your hand, kiss your baby all while they're pushing the knife deeper into your back.

Our only hope, as voters, is to seperate out all the crap and find the guy who's lying to us the least.

RUN HIL RUNNNN!!!!!

Axiom, I do believe that there are MODERATE Republicans in America who voted for Dumbass the first time as they thought he would bring true party values and guidance to our country. But after seeing what was running against him in 2004, they thought , "well, let's stick it out and see what happens. " Well, what's happened is that we're less safe, poorer due to gas prices(see destabilizing the middle east), have lost more than 2,647(and counting) lives and no end in sight. Blatant lies and misrepresentation of what is going on at home and in Iraq and Afghanistan continue. And who is going to step up and fix this HUGE FRIGGIN MESS DUBYA HAS MADE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE HUGE DEFECIT HERE AT HOME? Any Idea?

Two thoughts.

First, if Hillary were to run, she could win. The right wing that talks about her being their "dream opponent" and that a majority of Americans supposedly hate her is the SAME right wing that vowed to beat her in 2000.

In 2000 - as the rightnuts don't like to bring up - Hillary Clinton beat Rick Lazio fair and square in a state where Republicans have historically been able to win statewide. All the rightnut money and talking heads were harnessed in full cry. Lazio was flush with cash and volunteers. And she won.

In 2006, the conservatives can't even find a solid candidate to oppose her Senate reelection. She is romping to a landslide. One of the supposed saviors of the national GOP, Rudy Guiliani, refused to run against her.

So take all this rightnut talk about how they are salivating at her running for President with a grain of salt. Her husband beat them twice. This fall she will have beaten them for the second time. And if she runs in 2008, she will beat them again. When will Democrats realize how much of the right wing talk is hot air? When you face them down, as the Clintons have, the bullies crumble.

As far as not running for President, that is not a bad thing. I believe she would be an excellent Senate leader for the Democrats. The main reason is that she has shown, through her first term, an interest and ability in overcoming the poisonous partisanship to forge alliances with Republicans on specific issues where the parties agree. That is what the people want. Strong debate, but not arguing for argument's sake or for personal or petty reasons. Bipartisan action where we can agree.

My bet is still that Hillary will run for President. And she will win.

One other thing, though, that affects all this, and would probably be a factor in anyone considering a run for 2008.

President Bush has made clear that he is not shifting his failed Iraq policy and intends to hand over this steaming pile to whoever wins in 2008. Whoever wins is going to inherit the legacy of one of the greatest foreign policy disasters in US history. Sort of like taking over finishing a bridge from a building contractor who has used up all his funds and left the span teetering out in the abyss.

I would like to remain optimistic though that dire times bring out greatness. Recall that, after the disastrous Presidency of James Buchanan helped usher in the Civil War, the American people elected a Lincoln.

I hope we still have it in us to choose great leaders. After Dubya, we certainly need one.

Which would you prefer, Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton?

How about Rosey Palm?

It's Gore Time!!!!!

I've heard many liberals talk about violence against W; I haven't heard ANY conservatives ever talk about violence against Clinton (male or she-male).

Unreality?

Posted by kirk

yeah right.. Thats all I hear in these parts about the untimely demise of liberals with a knicker or nervous laughter. the righties "pray" for the demise of any not like them.

"The Democrats' chances of retaking the White House are doomed if they nominate Hillary Clinton in 2008, according to Boston Herald Business Columnist Brett Arends." Skip O'Malley

Ah, the Boston Herald, that fount of even-handedness and moderation. The Business Columnist, no less.

New Hampshire in any case is hardly the bellwether it once was touted. These are the folks, after all, that chose Paul Tsongas and Pat Buchanan in 1992.

Hillary will run. That's what Rush has been saying for decades.

Hillary will run. That's what Rush has been saying for decades.

Posted by justsomeguy at 2006-09-03 05:18 PM | Reply |

Wow - so maybe she won't.

Joe Biden in '08.

Joe Biden? Yuck.

Bill,

I like Biden. Why don't you? Who is your pick for the Democratic presidential candidate in 2008?

Gal

Russ Feingold. Biden lost my vote when he voted for that atrocious bankrupticy bill

Just to clarify, Gal. I would vote for Biden against any Republican.

I also like Feingold but wonder if he is electable? I didn't realize Biden had supported the bankruptcy bill. Well, nobody's perfect, but I would like to see the Dems nominate somebody of substance who stands a good chance of winning.

I think he's just as electable as Biden. But I'm tired of voting for candidates who are "electable", ala John Kerry.

Yeah, well, I voted for Edwards in the primary even though I knew he was probably unelectable due to the fact that he had only been in the Senate for such a short time. I hope you are right about Feingold but have my doubts. He would hold his own in the debates for sure.

I hope she does run. This way she can explain the 350 "I do not recalls" she mentioned during her husbands tenure.

And she talks about GW.
What an ass she is.

Also Edwards has weird hair that looks like a TV preacher.

I SURE HOPE SHE RUNS, BILL WILL BACK IN HIS GLORY UNDER THE DESK. IF SHE WAS TO RUN THE REPUBLICANS AND INDENDANTS WOULD BEAT HER WITH ALL THE BILL CRAP. 1ST WORLRD CENTER,BLACK HAWK DOWN, 2 EMBASSY BOMBINGS, KORBAR TOWERS MONICA and uss cole

I SURE HOPE SHE RUNS, BILL WILL BACK IN HIS GLORY UNDER THE DESK. IF SHE WAS TO RUN THE REPUBLICANS AND INDENDANTS WOULD BEAT HER WITH ALL THE BILL CRAP. 1ST WORLRD CENTER,BLACK HAWK DOWN, 2 EMBASSY BOMBINGS, KORBAR TOWERS MONICA and uss cole

I hope Hillary doesn't run for the sake of the world & the America that once was...& could be again....love willing

Thank you once more RADFORD58- my earlier criticism of you was excised, so I will simply say you are an illiterate idiot, to avoid such problems.

Gal,

I would vote for Edwards as well in the primary. We'll see who's in contention at that point.

at least we agree on something...surprise!:>)LOL

The Dems have no one that is credible to run. That's made even more apparent by your musings so far in these comments.

There's that Edwards guy with the chunky wife. He seemed like a good sort, I mean in a Demoncratic sort of way.

Then there's Yabba DabbObama, who is is getting good marks for his latest Third World escapades. How much did taking that HIV test in Kenya cost us taxpayers?

And of course, Joh Kerr..ha...Jon kerr..no, I can't write it...HA!hahahahah!

And don't forget.......AL GORE!!! .......(crickets)..........

Cook-
I haven't forgotten Gore. Neither has the majority of voters who chose to elect him in 2000.

Cook-
In case you have forgotten, the incompetent buffoon that now resides in the WH received fewr votes than Gore, but he did read "three Shakespeares" recently.

The D's could run Gore-Feingold and make it interesting. And the R's could run McCain-Guliani.
So what could we look forward to?

The R's would badmouth the D's ticket as environmentally incorrect.
The D's would drag out the internal communiques from the R's identifying McCain as mentally unbalanced.

Could be a lot of fun.

What a predictible ploy. Hillary! threatens not to run (actually, the threat would be if she did run). And now all the lockstep Dems are supposed to turn out in adoring crowds and beg her to run.

Then she can claim that it's wasn't humble little Hillary! but popular aclaim about how wonderful she is!

"Don't cry for me, upstate New York!"

I'm tired of voting for candidates who are "electable", ala John Kerry.

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2006-09-03 09:09 PM | Reply

You got no choice but to come up with a compromise candidate (phoney) who is 'electable." Any candidate who espouses the true Democrat views would not stand a chance.

Vern got a funny.

Made me think of Hillary in one of Madonna's Bustiers doing the NY rendition of Evita.

I had an interesting discussion with a guy at a party Sat night. He claimed that "W" was a great pres. When asked to name some of W's great successes he could only jumpto Clinton deflection. He said he hated Hilliary; when asked what it was in her history or positions that really honked him off he could not name even one policy he disagreed with. This is typicall wingnut behavior.
Try it in your next political discussion with your Repubnic fellows and see how much fun you can have.
The silence is quite amusing.
Oldwhiskeysour

Old Whiskey,

Let's see...W's successes:

1. Low unemployment
2. A thriving economy
3. tax cuts


Problems with the Hildebeast:

1. Her brilliant solution to the health care crisis. (Probably the single most important factor in the Republican Revolution)

2. It takes a village....need I say more.

3. Let me take you back to the Pretty in Pink press conference when she told the world that the rumors of Monica where merely the fruit of a "vast right wing conspiracy." Either she was lying, or is really that dumb...either way.

4. Her dramatic performance in front of the Senate SubCommittee when she gave testimony under oath. I could go further as to why that shows her low character but "I can't recall" her testimony.

Have a dose of reality with your holiday beverage.

""1. Her brilliant solution to the health care crisis. (Probably the single most important factor in the Republican Revolution)""

Oh, and the solutions proposed by the Republicans have been so greeeaaaatt!!!!
STUPID America was fooled by ads saying "we could lose our choice." Choice of what,,,,which emergency room to go to for simple health care needs....because, in the end, that is the basis of the REpublican health care plan and changes to bankruptcy laws were all a part of it too.
Republican health care plan: lose job, lose insurance, get sick, get drained, die poor.

ALL of my friends and aquaintences who voted Republican in 2004 have scraped the W stickers off their cars in disgust and plan to vote Democratic. Even they can see that Bush and the Repub Congress could give a hoot about the average American, and have run our country close to the edge of the cliff - both financially and our standing in the world.

The Republican controlled government is everything Pres. Dwight Eisenhower warned of in his goodbye speech so many years ago. A "Paramilitary-Industrial Complex" who move their operations offshore to avoid paying taxes, and stir the pot of aggression with profitable wars (for them).

WHOEVER runs our government need to be proponents for the interests of CITIZENS of the U.S. and not large corporations - who have moved most of the good paying jobs that were created in the 90's offshore, so that their precious stockholders can make a few more cents in dividends.

Our huge deficits would be even larger if not for raiding the Social Security Trust Fund - thereby creating the "crisis" that exists today. Their justification for cutting SS benefits, raising the age limit, and proposing massive changes which will leave even more old ladies eating dog food so they can pay their utility bills - which are twice as large now as 5 years ago.

Yeah, health care for all is a pretty dastardly thing to try to accomplish. With employer based contribution winding down in the U.S. I'm sure nobody wants a candidate who supports that.Much better to spend trillions on the G.W. exelent adventure in Iraq.
Heck yeah,much better way to spend our national treasure. Yeah, I see what you mean Citizen.
Dont know why you fixated on Pink,though. Truth be told, I cant remember what color W wore last time he Spoke. I guess I am not as observant of the really important things in our political realm as are you. Boy I sure have alot to learn.
...Must remember color worn... Yeah I'll work on that. Thanks for the pointer man, I sure have a lot to learn from you.
Oldwhiskeysour

OldWhiskeySour simply ignores what he asked for. The accomplishments of this administration...low unemployment, thriving economy, tax cuts for all.

Would that qualify as a "deflection" that he complained about earlier? Dems are the worst hypocrites.

Dems are the worst hypocrites.

Posted by A_Citizen at 2006-09-04 09:16 PM | Reply


That is HorseShit and You know it too. DOn't give Me that Balderdash it won't fly.

Larry