I suggest he get an out of district permit so he can attend Columbine High.

He has a fervid devotion.
Too bad its not for peace.

Sitting in his jail cell in the Sharon Detention Center in central Israel, he also said he would never accept peace with the Jewish state, even if Israel eventually pulled back to its pre-1967 borders, behind the so-called Green Line. He doesn't even know what the Green Line is.

The only peace he wants "is to get back all our lands," meaning the entire state of Israel.

"We don't want the Jews on this world," he said.

These are the "people" that you defend Alexandrite. "We don't want the Jews on this world". Isreal is being too merciful and it is going to cost alot of Jews their lives. A government that will not protect it's citizens and it's children from bloodthristy, hatemongering, anti-semitic butchers is deplorable. Isreal should erradicate the Palestinians. It is necessary for their survival.

We have Yasir Arafat to thank for this kid and all the kids like him on that side. Of course I expect to hear from all the Israel bashers about the Israeli terror and the harshness of the occupation blah blah which would have all ended years ago had Araft not chose to cheat his people and continue to exploit them. Had Arafat stopped trying to kill all the Jews and led his people to a peaceful solution, this boy would be saying something different today. I don't argue that Israel could have done better, could have tried harder however, Israel is a reality that after a few wars should have been obvious to everyone in that region - apparently it wasn't and so she continued to defend herself and doing what needed to be done. On the other hand, the darling of the left, Arafat, who had everyone convinced especially in europe that he was some sort of leader, a statesman no less, chose another path and today we know, despite the impoverishment of his people, he would send 100,000 dollars each and every month to his so called "wife" living in Paris to deposit in the Arafat account. I still haven't heard the left apologize for their endless support of this snake who has the blood of tens of thousands on HIS hands. Where are all those who championed that scumbag now? Do they see his face when they hear this young boy's perverse thoughts on life and death ?

How is "Israel should eradicate the Palestineans" any better than "we don't want the Jews on this world"?

It's a question of survival and the Jews are at a disadvantage, RCADE. The Palestinians are bent on genocide and there is obviously no turning them away. When you have a 15 year old boy so filled with hate that after a failed suicide attempt he spouts that he would willing do it again, then there is no hope for the culture. Maybe if that boy were an isolated incident, but there are thousands like him through Gaza and Judea.

One more thing, why is everyone calling for Isreal to return to it's pre-1967 borders? Why not a call for the Arabs to return to their 1948 borders? Do the Arabs have so little respect for the UN that the borders it created for Isreal are irrelevant? If so, then how can anyone expect them to accecpt any form of peace? Why does Isreal have to surrender land that it re-captured from forgein invaders?

Here's what I don't get. People believe in god, fine so be it. but to believe in god means that you believe in this all powerful being who created everything (at least as far as the big 3 religions are concerned). So then why do suicide bombers who believe in god think their "sacrifice" would matter one bit to such an all powerful being? What is one suicide bomber to something that could destroy the entire planet on a whim? Answer..NOTHING. If whatever some believe to be God wanted Jews off the planet, by the definitions and beliefs I;ve heard of god, he would do it himself!
It's like if in the future our country collectively comes to the conclusion that preuvians are evil and need to be wiped from the planet. What would one dog's sacrifice to kill a peruvian mean if we could just nuke the entire country?

"Why not a call for the Arabs to return to their 1948 borders?"

You realize that would be a greater withdrawal for Israel than a pull back from the '67 borders, don't you?

Suicide bombers have nothing to do with religion. The Palestinian people are poor and for the most part hopeless. Some in that culture rose to levels of power and used religion as a tool to manipulate the poor and hopeless into doing their evil bidding. It is the same way that mobsters, drug lords and other villanous scum rise to power. This is just another brainwashed boy who had his innocence stolen from him by a culture of lies which then turned him into a mindless tool of hate.

RCADE and his like are the sympathizers to the terrorist cause. Please don't be critical of his terrorist friends.

Thank you.

shaheed

n : Arabic term for holy martyrs; applied by Palestinians to suicide bomber

"Why not a call for the Arabs to return to their 1948 borders?"

How about the borders from 956?

The Israelis are there to stay. They took a God forsaken land and made it livable. They have to do all they can to defend themselves. If they have to eradicate the Palestinians by any means necessary, so be it. Ironic, ain't it?

In a few weeks we'll know if Abbas will survive or Hamas will emerge. Whoever wins must control the armed militants or its anyone's guess what will come next. Gaza could become a nightmare or the battleground of a Palestinian civil war. At some point like Sharon facing his armed settlers, the Palestinians must face their armed militants once and for all. Will they have the courage to do it ? If they do ... a positive future could be waiting. If the militants win, Israel will first try to just cut the Palestinians off and if that fails will no doubt use military incursions or targeted assasinations while enraging the entire Arab street in the process. Its a key moment in their history over there.

"How is "Israel should eradicate the Palestineans" any better than "we don't want the Jews on this world"?"

Its not ... its exactly the same.

Let him blow himself up on pay per view. I'd watch.

OK RCADE, GZLIVES, what is your solution for dealing with a culture where hatred and murder of Jews is so deeply entrenched that a 15 year old boy who failed to kill himself in order to kill Jews laments his failure and longs for another opportunity. How can Isreal ever have peace with that culture? How many Isrealis will have to die for a coexistence that will never be reached? If you have a solution, then the whole world is all ears.

His mother should be shot in the head for saying she'd be proud of him if he killed himself.

Jim

this kid is a prime example of why there will never be peace in the ME.

and to answer the question of why people who believe in god would kill other people who believe in a god: everyone who beleives in god practices selective atheism, they have decided that their god is the one true god and therefore reject all the other gods from all the other cultures around the world.
It should be easy then to see why choose to reject god in total.

Visitor at 1:23,

'what is your solution for dealing with a culture where hatred and exploitation of Germans is so deeply entrenched that a 15 year old Jewish boy who failed to rip off and starve a German family to death laments his failure and longs for another opportunity. How can Gemany ever have peace with that culture? How many Germans will have to be killed or impoverished for a coexistence that will never be reached? If you have a solution, then the whole world is all ears.'

If you have a solution, then the whole world is all ears.

There is no peaceful solution. It's going to continue until one side becomes so totally exhausted that they have to capitulate. For all anybody knows, that could be in the next century. That's how it is going to be solved.

It is no different than when kids in the US enlist and are willing to "die for freedom" or their "contry's sake". The only thing is that because the person is slightly older and possesses better weaponry the US kids chances for survival are greater... a little. In fact the president and all his supporters glorify such thinking. You pin medals and fold flags in triangles to honor such committment. Just because you disagree with this kids devotion to the cause he supports, do you say there can never be peace when people like him are willing to do what he is willing to do. Well duh! SOSDD.

It will end after the Israelis beat the Palestinians and all other Arabs into submission.

It will end when Christ returns!

Uh huh.

I thot Christ had returned, and he is sitting in the White Hou... I mean Crawford, Texas?

There's a way out. It will take time. The Palestinians are relatively secular much like the Jews. You can be an athiest and still be Jewish although I know that's often something people don't get. The Islamist thing is not a primary factor in the Israeli / Palestinian battle. Nevertheless, the status quo over there has opened doors for Islamists to spread their jihad and exploit Palestinian desire for self determination. But I think its still marginal at best.

And for their own survival, Israel must help the Palestinians realize their self determination. Security is something not just for Israelis but Palestinians also must have security - possibly even more so then Israelis because moderation in Palestine will be something no one ever speaks openly about for fear of their life unless they can feel safe doing so. And make no mistake about it. The Palestinians unlike the Iraqis will become a Democracy if they can avoid corruption. People don't realize how much these two peoples, Jews and Palestinians are alike. They are. Palestinians are disliked throughout the Arab world. They've been kicked around, thrown out, shoved into refugee camps, exploited etc. Nevertheless, they are teachers and doctors and merchants. They have their own diaspora and Palestinians are living all over the world. I believe given the chance, Palestinians can succeed. So what's the solution ? I think Sharon actaully has it right for now. The Palestinians must be left to sort out their own leadership and to either go the way of the gun and suffer the consequences or to rein in their armed militants and prepare for their country to emerge. This is why, I believe ultimately Hamas will emerge as the primary political party. I also believe after a purge of their more radical elements, Hamas will disavow violence, but that will come down the road. They will continue to use thee rhetoric of the street, but it will only be for public consumption. There may even be the tactic that the IRA used where a political wing is spun off that does disavow violence while an armed wing remains. This armed wing will be the group that enforces a disarming of the others. I don't believe the PA are capable but who knows?

The first element to this puzzle was eliminating the old Hamas leadership which would never have given an inch and was bent on violence. Targeted assasinations accomplished that goal. Next is the Israeli armed settlers need to go so hate him or love him, Ariel Sharon is intent on making that happen.
And then its Abbas' turn.

Both of these moves are incredibly dangerous and full of minefields. If both succeed, it will be all about keeping things calm. Slowly, inroads can be made. Small steps at first. The safer the Israelis feel, the more they will risk. Once this intial stage is ongoing, progress can be made. Hopefully, Palestinian aspirations will begin to be realized. Not all at onc, but in spurts.

Perhaps the extremists on both sides will be marginalized by the success of these different events succeeding. Its interesting to me because I believe what Bush described for Iraq is more about what could be in Israel and Palestine while impossible for Iraq. Palestinians don't have all the tribal stuff or even the Islamic complications.

And then to further the progress, Israel must get back to a thorough period of self examination. In the decades that have passed where all attention was focused on survival, very important internal issues have languished. There needs to be in Israel a full debate on what Zionism is now? Is it relevant anymore? what of the non Jewish Israelis ? What about their rights? Is this a Democracy for all or just for Jews ? Questions like that need to be discussed and resolved or Israel may not survive for reasons they never considered. Palestinians watching this national soul searching from next door I believe would benefit by seeing how factionalized the Israelis are about so many issues. Aside from Barak, the left in Israel has been virtually marginalized for decades which only points out just how much the Israelis focused on only one issue - security. When and if things calm down there, the left will regain power and under that government, issues that I've raised will finally be examined.

In the end, it will as always, have to be the Palestinians themselves who disarm and marginalize their fringe . . . and if they want their Palestine to exist, this is something they'll just have to accomplish. I wish them all the success at this and hope they can minimize the bloodshed.

And the American LEFT thinks if we do what these people ask the will leave us alone. Listen to these people! They are not joking, even if we dumped Isreal they would not stop. I am not against cutting off foreing aid Isreal but not because these assissans demand it.

These are the "people" that you defend Alexandrite. "We don't want the Jews on this world". Isreal is being too merciful and it is going to cost alot of Jews their lives. A government that will not protect it's citizens and it's children from bloodthristy, hatemongering, anti-semitic butchers is deplorable. Isreal should erradicate the Palestinians. It is necessary for their survival.

Posted by visitor at 2005-08-12 12:42 PM | Reply| IP


Where to start? I dont defend this 15 year old. He should spend his life in prison. And israel has been so merciful that they kill 3 palestinians to every one israli.

Israel should eradicat ethe palestinians? All of them? You are less of a man than the 15 year old boy...you both advocate the murder of innocent civilians, but at least he has the balls to blow himself up doing it. You're just a genocide lover that sits on a computer.

GZ-By the way GZ in am not against Isreal, I am just against foreign aid.

No excuses for his actions.
But at 15 he has never had a chance to think on his own. He has been brainwashed by his own parents/elders and probably by some negative Israeli actions towards Arabs.
The middle-east will never have peace.
Too much hatred and mis-trust.

It is no different than when kids in the US enlist and are willing to "die for freedom" or their "contry's sake".

As Patton said, You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win by making the other poor bastard die for his country.

Not only do we do more to protect the lives of our military, we teach them survival skills. Suicide missions are virtually non-existant, except in the movies.

The jihadis base their culture on the Cult of the Assassins. This cult had its orgins in the resistance formed against the Mogol invasion. They gained wealth through extortion and recruited boys like this with promises of Paradise. The cult was extinguished by the people they preyed upon--other Moslems.

Today they prey upon the western world, as well as their own. Clinton thought that arming the PA with M-16s and sending them money would resolve the conflict ignoring the extortion that Arafat practiced worldwide.
The Israelis are primarily western in their social and political institutions are thus a threat to the predominate culture of the Arabs which is totalitarism in one form or another. That's why Islam, or Submission is so important to the ruling class. It keeps them in power. and that is why they want Israel to perish.

So there is only one solution and that is to exterminate the jihadis. If they were isolated as they were in the 13th century it would be easy. But they live among those who want peace, and have insinuated themselves into the political structure. And until the Moslems stand against them we will have to take them one at a time as they surface.

The kid wants to die, I say help him on his way. One less to worry over.

Plant little human seeds in a 1 square mile, sewage in the streets, 100 thousand population density, with a 50% unemployment rate, with bombed out buildings all around and see what grows.

It shouldn't be such a surprise.

The real problem that happened here is that the jews never got too terribly serious about one course of action or the other. Instead more or less tip toed around bullshit for years and just let this thing build. Should of made a choice long ago for themselves for either war or peace.

As for innocent palenstine civilians... according to this boy.... innocents must not exist. If even his own parents are putting him up to this, then there really are no innocents. It seems to me its a national muslim belief israel needs to be exterminated. If that is what the muslim world wants us to believe then the only course of action is they're own extermination. And they'd have no one but themselves to blame. You can't pacify wolves with hot air....

Plant little human seeds (snip the bs)

By this equation India should be Terrorists Capital of the world. Enough of the liberal apologists, the jihadis don't deserve the life they are so willing to snuff out.

In this little mutts case, what would be the problem with snuffing him? He can't be rehabilitated, he poses a serious risk, and he is costing the israeli's money (probably our money)...Kill that little jihadi where he stands!

there can be peace but it will take generations for the wrongs to be forgotten, the ill-begotten land, the misguided suiciders, the military oppression.

Same same but different: northern Ireland.

if the u.s. is so concerned with the health and well-being of isrealis, why not just give them their own country within the states as opposed to carving it out of someone else's?

Oh, forgot, outpost, oil, blablabla.

Ozarkaggie must know something about ag?

Tell me who bombed out the buildings in India to make India the terrorist capitol of the world??

Dumbass.

Panchovilla--The Jews were there about 4500 years ago. The land was taken from them first. Should we give the West back to the Indians? Nope. There were wars, we won, they lost. You lose a war, you lose your land. The Isrealis won their land the same way we won our land. You got a problem with that?

"It will end when Christ returns!"
Crusade 2:00.

He's got a layover in Atlanta.

Not all Palistinians are Jihadists.

Weeeeelllluh Rocka mah soul in da boozom of Abraham rocka mah soul in da boozum of Abraham...

"Tell me who bombed out the buildings in India to make India the terrorist capitol of the world??"

This has got to be the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on Drudge.