hahahaha, OMG!! What will these lunatics come up with next?

Tell them they are evil in the eyes of god and beat them with a stick.

This is great----

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Now, I'm no friend of the politically self-conscious, left wing homosexual, but I don't need Dobson to bear my torch.

That's pretty fucking bad, James.

Sounds like the United Nations, the far left liberals (excuse me progressives), and the Al Gore..John Kerry..Michael Moore crybabies....Go John Bolton!

a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy.

Well, hell.

That sounds just like GZ and Alexandrite, don't it?

And ya'll ain't queer, are you?

There goes that theory.

Oh Brother! I was like "Lisa" in the story...more tomboy activities, than girl activities and I enjoyed them more. But, I'm straight!

After reading the the other links included, this thread is going to get lit up!

Hey, you can spot a ferry in training amongst a group of kids in a heartbeat. Don't tell me they don't have a point.

If your boy's favorite toy is a tea set, prepare thyself for him to bring his "special friend" Rob to thanksgiving dinner in 10 or 15 years.

calm down Mr BT, you're gonna make hot squirties all over your keyboard.

Thats fairy..not ferry. You're right.

Hey, you can spot a ferry in training amongst a group of kids in a heartbeat. br />

No but I can spot an illiterate son of a bitch from a mile off

My God! Where do they get this shit?! The article also talks about changing your children from gay to straight. So, here's a tip for those that think that works: If you are a gay man, and then go on a date with and have sex with a woman, you are still a gay man. If I have a butter knife, yet use it to cut a steak, I do not have a steak knife. I'm sure the guy who wrote this will be a guest on Hannity today.

Matt in Texas

I meant I can spot a kid that is going to grow up to be a transport ship.

Once again the militant neocon Christians at work with their reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, teachings

I can prove they are right. What about that kid on "Who's the Boss?" I knew he was gay before I knew what gay was. Guess what? He's gay.

Matt:
Can you really expect more from an Organization like Focus on Family??
This is one of the most Christian Extremist organizations out there, doing business under the guise of a "family friendly" outfit.
Go to their website and check out some of the other pearls of wisdom they espouse.

The real question is, who cares if your kid is gay? Are you going to love him/her any less? If you would love them less I hope you die in a fire.

Pinche Mao,

No ... not queer. How about you?

So now you are considered homophobic if you'd rather your kid not end up gay?

A friend of my son's always wants to see his starfish. Should I read anything into this?

Concerned Dad

Somebody is trying to have it both ways... so to speak.

Claim that there is no genetic basis to homosexuality and then try and weed out the natural-born "sissies"?

What's that about?

And where's Dr. Keep It Anal when you need an expert?

This article is laughable. First of all Jesus Christ frowned upon roughhousing. Does that mean he is a homosexual too?

I have straight friends who do not conform to their gender role. Although we rib them a bit at parties it is well known that they are 100% straight.

I conform to my gender role and I am gay. I was a bit girly when I was a youth, and had no interest in going to school dances and things like that. As a result my parents suspected, and they turned out to be right. My dad did things like get me into karate and skeet shooting. As a result I am not straight, I am merely a homosexual one should not fuck with.

Karnac...errrrrrrrrrr I mean BT,
Come on man, you can'tpossibly think that outing Jonathon was some type of accomplishment can you? That kid was gayer than AIDS (i'm stealing that from another poster). Besides, what kind of homo was watching Jonathon when such fine ass spanking material as Samantha (and Mona...) were around?
Dobson approves of Roberts gay pro bono work so at least they aren't crazy 100% of the time.
If you don't want your kid to be gay take him to a whorehouse on his 4th birthday, I thought everyone knew that.

I'm a queer motherfucker, GZ.

The Big Queen.

A Leather Boy with the Magic Stick.

Whatcha doin' this weekend? ;)

Rock Hudson. Didn't see that coming.
Now Liberace, darling to all the Republican bluehairs, that was a no brainer.
Dobson has now officially moved from the talibaptists to the lunabaptists.
What worries me about this is that Nicevillageidiot will try using it in court as a defense. "Just dropped my pants at the playground to save all those boys from gaydom Your Honor".

homophobia ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-)
n.
Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
Behavior based on such a feeling.

As a result I am not straight, I am merely a homosexual one should not fuck with.

Posted by Pleasantville at 2005-08-11 11:41 AM | Reply

Jonathon will be disappointed.

"He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. "



BAHAHAHA!

Chair:
I'm with ya, I never even noticed Jonathan, I was way too busy watching Samantha.

What worries me about this is that Nicevillageidiot will try using it in court as a defense. "Just dropped my pants at the playground to save all those boys from gaydom Your Honor".

Posted by northguy3 at 2005-08-11 11:43 AM | Reply

Corky,
In the interests of being fair I should point out that Niceville is unfairly painted as the one calling people pedophiles. You continually lambaste him for it. Can I assume it's because you have missed the same actions from Northguy?

NG,
Liberace was gay? Grandma is going to roll over in her grave!

This article from FOTH is meant to be read by people who will no longer love their children if they are gay. It happens everyday.. Look at Alan Keyes and his daughter

You know, I find this kind of stuff down right ridiculous. I am a gay man. I am also very conservative, non-effeminate, and happy with my life. I am in a wonderful relationship with a person that I love very deeply, and who loves me very much as well. I consider both myself and my boyfriend to be normal, masculine guys. I doubt very seriously that most people would even guess that I was gay.

As I said, I am quite politically and socially conservative. I don't believe that the main-stream conservative movement excludes homosexuals, nor do I believe that liberals have done anything of any substance to "futher the gay cause". I believe that all americans are entitled to the same rights and protections of government (I'm not talking about marraige), and that homosexuals should be treated the same as hetrosexuals - no better, no worse. And I certainly am not offended by mere terminology, in fact I absolutley can't stand politcal correctness.

All that aside, I find this article to be the product of complete and total ignorance. It is a misguided effort to try to prevent the unpreventable. If a person feels a romantic and/or sexual attraction to members of the same sex, following the advice contained in this website will only disrupt and disturb the minds of most children, and they will carry that anguish with them for their whole life. Children, as they grow into adults, need to determine their own sexuality. Parents cannot do it for them. While I admire their intentions, they should focus their efforts on dealing with the depression that most often accompanies teenage homosexual thoughts. You can try to impose your will on an adolescent, but if you risk loosing them forever.

"a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy."

That sounds like the liberals on this board.

"This is great----

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Now, I'm no friend of the politically self-conscious, left wing homosexual, but I don't need Dobson to bear my torch.

That's pretty fucking bad, James."

Pinche Mao, you quoted this to us, but I can't find it anywhere on the site. Can you tell me where it is? Because that's kind of disturbing; I really can't believe that a Christian website would post something like that. Where did you get it from? That's really interesting.

Everyone attacks Christians, saying they're ignorant and hateful. You can find posters talking about how "conservatives" say that homosexuals "choose" their sexual identity. Well, the website that this thread is from confirms what all of you "liberals" are saying; that homosexuality is not a choice, and they even say the things that you all say; Who would choose a lifestyle that is not accepted, etc. Why wasn't that included on this thread?

Research shows also that you can spot a "pre-conservative" teen or toddler:

1)wants to buy $200 worth of video games with a $10 bill

2)makes fun of Uncle Brian, who lost his leg in the war

3)walks into other peoples houses, messes up all their belongings and then becomes indignant when the house owners are not thankful for the mess he's made of their house.

4)wears a "WWJD" bracelet but, sleeps in on Sunday mornings instead of going to church.


If you see these signs in your child or the child of a friend, have them get help right away....you have a "pre-Conservative" on your hands, my friend!

"A friend of my son's always wants to see his starfish. Should I read anything into this?

Concerned Dad"

Get a dog or something. Starfish aren't very interesting animals next to dogs.

Jim

actually that could be applied to the Bush Administration.

Mao,

I read something recently about homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

Isn't there an old saying... something about "steers and queers" in Texas"?

Any limp-hooved bovines in your herd?

Well I have a liberal lesbian cousin who thinks we're born BI-sexual. Same program, different producer. You Too Can Warp Your Child's Brain.

Love 'em and boys will boys and girls will be girls.

pedophobia..the hatred of child molesters.
Thats what next on the left agenda...sanctioning pedophiles, and labeling their opponents with a "phobia".

Corky:
The saying is:
There's only 2 things that come from Texas. Steers & Queers, and you ain't got no horns.

How to spot a pre liberal:

1.) Loses his lunch money and believes it was stolen by Diebold.

2.) Will not play with toy SUVs.

3.) Prays to Hillary Clinton every night.

yeah visitor, that's the left's agenda alright. Although it's funny how many of these pedophiles turn out to be Republicans, for instance out here we got the Republican Mayor of Spokane having sex with teenage boys.

Mr. BT:
That was lame.

101

This thread is the first time I've seen NG3 make that reference. Perhaps he is fighting back, or maybe they have a history on the subject.

All I know is that Nville has made a multitude of such posts, and, as always, it is more obnoxious and hypocritical coming from a self-proclaimed "christian".

So, wanna hang out with DKIA in the bathhouse later? ;^)

What happens when a boy wants to be a cheerleader?
Oh, right, you elect him President.
And 101, I take second place to no man in slamming Nicevilleageidiot. And he would do no less in slamming me. The only difference is that he makes things up, while I have the Truth.
Besides, isn't posting muffin recipes listed up there with crying and wearing his mom's dresses?

should we start a pool to see how many commesnts this gets by say 5 PM EDT?
I bet it's the biggest site of the day.

Research shows also that you can spot a "pre-neo-lib" teen or toddler:

1)wants to buy $200 worth of Mikey Moore movies with someone else's $10 bill

2)makes fun of Uncle Brian, who lost his leg in the war

3)breaks into other peoples houses, tells them that they do not deserve all their belongings and tells them what to say and how to behave.

4)wears a "Hillary 2008" t-shirt but, can't find their ass with both hands.

If you see these signs in your child or the child of a friend, have them get help right away....you have a "pre-neo-lib" on your hands, commrade!

Briwophobia - def. (1) fear that you might actually believe some of the tripe Briwo posts (2) contempt for those named Briwo

Although the site does say "Homosexuality is rarely "chosen."

it also goes on to say the following . . .

Parents can help prevent homosexuality in their children.

There is growing evidence that change of sexual orientation is possible.

Homosexuality often results from early sexual abuse.

Homosexuality is a disorder

So in fact what are they really trying to say?

BT,

That was brilliant. Briwo can't find his ass with both hands.

What happens when a boy wants to be a cheerleader?

I think that is fine. Most guy cheerleaders are as big as a middle linebacker and they spend all their time with girl cheerleaders. That's not a bad gig.

MAO,

:)

Briwo,
Only number 3 was lame.
Should have included...
1. Still wets pants, shows no sign of stopping.
2. Thinks asking for school ID is racist

Got to go, time for a haircut and lunch, will finish list later..

B-itchphobia: the screaming fear and profuse sweating that occurs when you realize Box-itch is out there somewhere, alive among us.

"""Thats what next on the left agenda...sanctioning pedophiles, and labeling their opponents with a "phobia".""

No, I think the Catholic church beat us to that one.

I don't know how you people can sit here and critisize Focus on the Family. If you disagree with them or their agenda, that makes you a christianphobe. You don't want to be a christianphobe, do you?

Any limp-hooved bovines in your herd?

That actually happens in the feedlot.

Certain steers will secrete a hormone that causes other steers to mount him repeatedly. They call them "buller" calves---or "queers".

We'd have to pull those queers from their pen because they'd eventually wear down and die from the repeated attempts to ass-fuck them.

So we'd have a (seperate but equal) pen full of "queer" calves.

Such pens were always immaculate and well decorated.

Hey Twat Rot,

Mao may have a gay steer for you.

And you thought you could never fill a hole that size again!

GZ:

So in fact what are they really trying to say?

I think the point is that gay people do not chose to have their urges but can learn to control them. That isn't my style though. When I am in a relationship it is because we are attracted to each other mentally and sexually. I think that is the healthiest way to do it.

I don't defend anybody who is a pedophile...just people with the attitude that perversions can be justified...they stink..

Mr. BT: I LOVE being a christianphobe!!
as a matter of fact I have nothing but contempt for them, well ok, some ridicule too.

Sorta gives a new meaning to "home on the range".

Queer eye for the straight steer?

What are the constituent qualifications for the age of consent?

And I didn't know there was a NA Man/Boy Love association. Where have I been living - a cave?

Finally, is the difference between man/woman love, man/man love, man/boy love, man/infant love, man/dog love, and woman/horse love only a matter of degree or taste/preference? Can we as human beings differentiate between these in any other way than a 'I like chocolate - you like vanilla' manner?

If we divide these acts into catagories with labels of 'correct' or 'incorrect', what knowledge do we use to divide them?

And better yet, who comprises the 'we'?

I ask too many questions. But surely there is someone out there with answers. Isn't there?

GZ is in NAMCLA,

North American Man-Collie Love Association

Amateur: I think the key is consent.
2 adults can consent.
1 adult & 1 animal cannot.
Equating homosexuality to bestiality is pathetic.

Finally, is the difference between man/woman love, man/man love, man/boy love, man/infant love, man/dog love, and woman/horse love only a matter of degree or taste/preference? Can we as human beings differentiate between these in any other way than a 'I like chocolate - you like vanilla' manner?

The difference is called consent.

AmateurSocratic,

These are good questions that ought to be answered. We often debate these issues without defining any of the crunchy axioms our arguments are composed of. The guidelines set by the American Psychological Association work for me. I think man/boy and man/infant are defined by more than a degree of preference because in those cases the man is causing severe psychological (or physical in the case of the infant) trauma. Society will never accept such things.

A few posters have compared me to those sick bastards at NAMBLA. Well frankly to hell with them. If they lack the cognitive ability to differentiate between a consenting adult and a six year old child then I pity them.

Corky,

Responding to your own posts again?!

Hey Twat Rot,

Mao may have a gay steer for you.

And you thought you could never fill a hole that size again!
Posted by corky at 2005-08-11 12:05 PM | Reply
Sorta gives a new meaning to "home on the range".

Queer eye for the straight steer?
Posted by corky at 2005-08-11 12:09 PM | Reply

Corky, you are a sad, pathetic, little boy.

OK B-itch, what gives?, you never use our nicknames anymore.

nice comeback, twat rot

will surely go down in the annals (anals) of drudge history.

BTW- was responding to UmPappa Mao Mao, thank you very much.

remedial reading. it's not a sissy thing to do.... try it!

I bet some of you that are saying how ridiculous this all is would be the trying some of this stuff if you had a kid and you started to notice "tendencies"......


Jim

Given the fact Jeff Gannon, Dubya's number one favorite gay male whore is ex-Marine, maybe Dobson needs to rethink his game plan.

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

OK B-itch

That was funny because you took the first letter of part of his handle, a "B", and then dropped the "OX". Then you hyphentated it with "ITCH" and thus created a clever way to call him "BITCH".

Good stuff, man.

Do another one.

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

Please spare us the "bumper sticker" logic.

Jim

"I bet some of you that are saying how ridiculous this all is would be the trying some of this stuff if you had a kid and you started to notice "tendencies"

As a kid I played with toy guns, and I played "doctor" with little girls...I'm straight and proud of it...and I don't fantasize about little kids...mature females ...yes...!

Does consent make it right. No, its the attitude "if it feels good do it". There is another term for that...sociopath.

In the context of sociopathology, one must remember that a victem's consent is irrelevant. Therefore your comment doesn't apply to a guy like me who has sex with adult guys. Were I a sociopath I would be raping heterosexual males that I am attracted to. All things considered I could do it to - I'm freaking huge. But I'd rather not, there is no joy in that. So. I'll contend I'm not a sociopath. Thanks for playing.

I can tell, somebodys going to "bump" your "sticker"....

""I don't know how you people can sit here and critisize Focus on the Family. If you disagree with them or their agenda, that makes you a christianphobe. You don't want to be a christianphobe, do you?""

Well, if the criteria to be a "christianphobe" is to think that Focus on the Family is a bunch of right wing bigots, then I guess I am a "christianphobe." However, since the vast majority of Christians do not follow Rev. Dobson or any of his right wing crap I don't think that you can accurately claim that Focus on the Family is representative of Christian values. Were I a Christian, which I am not, I would really get angry about the right wingers trying to claim that they are representative of Christian values. Most of the Christians I have know have been very nice, open minded folks. Believe it or not, most of those who voted for John Kerry were Christians. I even know some gay Christians. Something tells me that if Jesus were to return to Earth he would have nothing but contempt for Dobson.

I can tell, somebodys going to "bump" your "sticker"....

Don't proposition me, I am simply not interested.

Pinche Mao,

It's all they got. "Bush is a moron." Illegal war in Iraq." "Christians are Nazis." "Religion is for the weak minded."

It's so predictable. I like to keep up with what the "enemy" is thinking, so I come to this site. Unfortunately, I don't get much of anything new. I need to find a new reconnaissance strategy.

""a tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy."

That sounds like the liberals on this board."

You might be surprised, visitor. Quite a few of the liberal men here are very masculine and straight. Some of us, in fact, are rather large and muscular men who played sports in school and enjoy things like hunting, fishing and the like. You should be careful with the stereotypes.

How did Dick Cheney's daughter turn out to be a lesbian? Must be Dick's influence...oh, sorry lack of dick...

It's so predictable. I like to keep up with what the "enemy" is thinking, so I come to this site.

This poor thing just cracks me up.

Danni,

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot.

Pleasantville

"All things considered I could do it to - I'm freaking huge."

LOL Go ahead and brag. I'm still more interested in breasts than cocks.

But you are doing well promoting your own depravity. Maybe somebody here will take you up on your solicitation.

Sad. So sad.

B-itch, please tell us why you are not using our nicknames anymore.

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot

This from the same fool who just stated that basically anyone who does not share its views is "the enemy". You just have to laugh.

Keep going Sweetpea.

"I need to find a new reconnaissance strategy"

Try pulling your head out of your ass.

(hey, I know, too easy)

12:31: Please enlighten us on exactly how Pleasntville is depraved, he hasn't said one depraved thing that I've seen.

Vis 12:26 - I don't know what you think I was getting at but I definitely wasn't condoning pedophilia so let me clarify -

I was saying that if they had a kid who showed some gay tendencies at a young age, some of the people who are saying this article is ridiculous would try to "un-gay" their kid just like the article suggests.

Jim

"""Danni,

Given the substance of many of your past posts, you are clearly a bigot."""

I guess if you are bigoted against bigots then you are in face a bigotaphobe. Guilty, I am a bigotaphobe, Dobson though is just a bigot.

I have come to the conclusion that the Stop the Boxitch(B-itch) that is now posting is NOT the orignal Stop the Box itch.

RCADE asked all to raise the level of the discussion after Walt posted Buffalo Bob's name, address and phone number and then BB threatened to kill Walt. (I think that is how it went.)

As a courteous guest, I am simply complying with our host's wishes.

B-itch: I don't think RCADE was refering to our nicknames, but I don't think you are the original Boxie anyway.

"B-itch, please tell us why you are not using our nicknames anymore."

Freepers always hide out when sunlight hits the rock they live under. Must be very sunny today where Itch is

But you are doing well promoting your own depravity. Maybe somebody here will take you up on your solicitation.


Could you expand on this notion? I stated that I am not a sociopath because I only have sex with consenting adults. You respond with a personal attack that isn't even funny. (Note: I respect personal attacks that are actually funny.) Each of us thinks the other is sad and pathetic. Fair enough. But at least I can make a good point.

Pville:
I called him on the same thing. No answer yet.

I can't help it if you also have a "hole in your moral fabric", and do not realize truth.

I don't have to be a christian to recognize an unnatural act. If you want to get shit on your dick/aids...go for it

How old are you?

No, Danni. You are just a bigot.

Visitor 12:40, thank you for showing your true colors.

And I almost forgot the pure athleticism of sitting at a ranch drinking beer all day.

45

If you want to get shit on your dick/aids...go for it.

I use condoms. You make all these assertions and you do not back them up. You state that you can recognize an unnatural act but you do not define what such an act is, hence implying a universal set of ethics. I do not think you are very good at debating.

One of my favorite people to debate this topic with is a devout Lutheran who thinks my lifestyle is very sinful. We disagree. A lot. We both also make good points that challenge the other person's perspective. We say things that inspire critical thinking.

You should try to be more like him.

Pville: I don't think he has the intellectual capacity, at least judging by his posts.

If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

BRIWO: I'm not equating sex with animals and sex with any human. I've taken a number of sexual acts and asked how we can differentiate between them, if possible. I'm asking the question, can we say that either of them is 'wrong' or 'right'? And with what knowledge do we make those judgements? If consent is the key and animals cannot give it, does that make doing anything to animals wrong due to our inability to obtain consent?

And what makes consent the key determining factor? On whose authority did consent become the determining factor, if authority is the source?

Pville:
debating with the Lutheran must be like shooting fish in a barrel, once you debunk his belief in fairytales, what leg does have to stand on?

Amateur: What other determining factor could there be?
If 2 adults consent, and they are not hurting anyone, what they do in the privacy of their home in no one else's business.
Republicans & Christians seem to get a real charge and thrill out of this subject, hence the large volume of posts to this thread.

If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

A child can not legally give consent to anything. You can ask if they want to do something or not, but that is not consent.

as far as making children go to bed, brush their teeth etc, they are minors and we are responsible for their upbringing so we don't need their consent for mundane activities and being minors they are unable to give consent for sexual activity.
Doing anything to animals that is potentialy harmful,dangerous, or outside their nature is wrong, yes, because they cannot give their consent.
ie: shoving a gerbil up your ass.

O.K. People...heres the truth.
When I was young, I cut out Betsy McCall paper dolls out of the McCalls magazine, I clomped around the house in my mothers high heels, and a boy friend and myself examined each others "tools". I also played with toy guns, toy soldiers, and played doctor with girls. Does this make me homosexual or bisexual? Nope. It makes me curious. I'm a flaming straight male, with two daughters and 4 wonderful grandkids, and a wife I am totally satisfied with. You can't totally imprint someone when they are young, no matter how many psychology reports you read.

Good observation 12:55 visitor, I'm sure most of us were also curious when we were little.

AmatuerSocratic:
If consent is at the heart of the matter, then is it necessary for children to consent to anything we do to them, i.e. make them go to school, to sleep, brush their teeth, etc?

I thought about this for a bit. I think the answer lies in what is accepted on a societal level as being good for the child. We have separate court and corrections systems for juveniles because it is known that they do not know what is best for them, and there are often times when they do not understand what they are doing. i.e. until they are adults, frankly, their consent in a matter is irrelevant. I have a friend who was molested by his aunt and uncle when he was a preteen. He notes that he liked it at the time but that does not change that it was wrong and ultimately hurt him. Conversely I hated going to school when I was younger. I was not there on the basis of consent. I had to go, and now that I am older, I understand how important it was for me to go. i.e. I would not be able to afford the awesome place that I am renting.

Briwo: I don't try to debunk his religion. We both just accept that we see the world different ways and focus on the implifications of our belief systems being accepted on a societal level.

Alex,

"GZ- Methinks Mao enjoys rolling around on the floor with men. oh, Im sorry..."wrestling" And he can take 9 inches without crying."

I just spit up half my coffee reading
that ...

You can't totally imprint someone when they are young, no matter how many psychology reports you read.


Keep in mind that the psychology reports most often used by Focus on the Family are the very same reports that got their "psychology expert" James Cameron thrown out of every professional organization that he belonged to. Paul Cameron is well known for rigging his findings. Most of his studies were deemed to be complete nonsense.

James Cameron

That would be Paul Cameron not James Cameron. One is a nut, the other directed The Titanic. My apologies to James Cameron.

Briwo: You are making the contention that consent is the determining factor. I'm asking you why you think so. Is "What else could it be?" a reasonable answer? When I go to the doctor and he makes a diagnosis, I ask why he thinks so, and he says, "What else could it be?", I need to know that he has reasons to elimintate everything else.

I'm asking you to defend your contention. Do so, or admit its just a personal opinion.

A child can not legally give consent to anything. You can ask if they want to do something or not, but that is not consent.

Posted by visitor at 2005-08-11 12:53 PM | Reply| IP

That's not 100% true. Statutory rape is still rape, but carries less of a sentence if the sex was not physically forced.

The only rational defense of of the principle of "consent" is to default to the legal statute which defines the age of consent.

Right?

"You might be surprised, visitor. Quite a few of the liberal men here are very masculine and straight. Some of us, in fact, are rather large and muscular men who played sports in school and enjoy things like hunting, fishing and the like."

Yep DC...This is very true! Although my liberal husband isn't a large man, he is very athletic. Don't you love those stereotypes?!

Nothing like a liberal man!!

Briwo,

speaking of Walt, do you think he was one of the contractors on those video tapes raping young boys & girls in front of their families as torture to get them to talk?

I will admit that I sometimes post things that are inflammatory, but 50% of the time I am just kidding. Unfortunately many do not see the humour and I get called all sorts of names, which makes it even funnier to post stuff like that. BUT, what have I ever said that would make you think I would go around raping young children???

Seriously, BB, and Ray honestly want me dead and you are implying that I rape young boys and girls.

That is just not nice.

Cheers

Amatuer: first you would have to give me an idea of what other determining factors there could be so I will have an idea as to what you are actually asking.

In my opinion and in the eyes of the US Courts, consent is the determinig factor.

"I'm still more interested in breasts than cocks."

A careful examination of this sentence would indicate that this person is bisexual. They're interested in both men and women, but more so in women than men.

I would guess a 6 or 7 on the exclusively homosexual (1) to exclusively heterosexual (10) scale.

That's not 100% true. Statutory rape is still rape, but carries less of a sentence if the sex was not physically forced.


That is sometimes the case but more a decision of the court whether the victim is deemed mature enough to understand what they have agreed to. This would only happen to someone who was 15 years or older. We are talking about much younger children here.

Also, in most cases of statuatory rape the person who was raped is not pressing charges. They are usually on the side of the defendant. When speaking of old teens, this can become a very grey area, but that is not the case with a 5 or 6 year old.

INWI,

Not about the liberal man again, lol

Cheers

Pleasentville: On what basis is society the authority for determining what is good for the child? Since at the present time society isn't a monolithic structure (if it ever could be), which society should we refer to derive our knowledge for 'the good of the child'? If the society in which you live is the authority for this knowledge and one society dominates and takes over a group of people previously outside the society, then is the conquering society just in enforcing their form of socializing children on this new group?

Walt
I don't want you dead. I promised you a beer and drinking with the dead is a wake.

Hi INWI!

Walt, ray said he wanted you dead?

And what did you expect from Buffalo Bob? You posted his phone number on a blog.

So BT 1972 I guess what you said would stand true IF your daughter plays with trucks when she is a little girl she is destined to become a lesbian???? Highly unlikely probability...

Hi Walt...good to see you here!! And we have had that discussion already...haven't we?? lol!

Zat,

Thanks for that bro. I may be in Florida in about 4 months, I will let you know when I am back. Also what do you think of a 2003 Cessna P210 Silver Eagle? I am looking at getting one.


Alex
Walt, ray said he wanted you dead?

And what did you expect from Buffalo Bob? You posted his phone number on a blog.

Yes Ray did say it, and do you think that someone needs to die for posting a phone number?

Cheers

Yes we have INWI, and it was a good one. How are you?

Hi Alex...are you behaving?? lol!

Sup 101? Where is Gunny?

AmateurSocratic:

I am not sure exactly how society determined what is best for children or how it became empowered to enforce those views on the citizenry. I have not thought about it critically because I agree with the current system. (i.e. children must go to school and are not allowed to have sex with creepy old men.)

But when you consider that someone can go to jail for statutory rape even though the victim is on the side of the defendant, society has obviously taken authority for determination of what is best for children. That is true. I could not tell you how the system came to be however.

If our society dominates another group of people previously outside the system, then yes, I suppose that the conquering society will enforce their view of what is best for children on the dominated society. It happened very recently, in fact. I do not believe the Iraqi government will ever use children as land mine detectors again. That is an example of a victory for the children in question. I would not be surprised if there have been instances where the dominating culture's views of what is best for children turned out to be a defeat for the children. I just can't think of any right now. Can you?

I'm great Walt...you sound better today.

"do you think that someone needs to die for posting a phone number?"

Well people have been killed over less......

Jim

2003 P210?

Cessna is stil making the P210?

I thought they were just doing the 172, 182 and 206.

Post a useful phone number.
The Bunny Ranch or Paris Hilton's cell.

Zat,

No they are not, the airframe is 1980ish but the Siver Eagle is an enhancement package.

I am also considering a Pilatus PC6 Porter.