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Friday, May 19, 2017

During the 2016 presidential election, Bernie Sanders refused to answer questions about Venezuela during an interview with Univision. He claimed to not want to talk about it because he's "focused on my campaign." Many suggested a more plausible reason: Venezuela's present economy is an example of what happens when a state implements Bernie Sanders-style social democracy.

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"During the 2016 presidential election, Bernie Sanders refused to answer questions about Venezuela"

Yup.

and not a single "conservative" is willing to examine what they did to Kansas.

you do know that Venezuela is in another country while Kansas isn't? right?

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-05-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Venezuela is an example of a country which based its economy on oil. Russia is having economic problems too, so is Saudi Arabia.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-19 01:41 PM | Reply

Venezuela is an example of how socialism can go wrong.

Because the people in charge were greedy and didn't have the best intentions for its citizens at heart.

For socialism to work the people in charge need to be altruistic.

Unfortunately.

Totalitarian facist governments like to mascaraed as socialists in order to win the people.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Question for Boaz, did you receive a direct order to set deflector shields to maximum?

Follow-up question, were the orders conveyed via dog whistle?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-05-19 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Also. There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy.

#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That's what the venezuelans thought too.

The difference is only temporal.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-05-19 02:21 PM | Reply

Also. There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 01:53 PMFlag: ReceivedFunnyNewsworthy | Newsworthy 1

He knows this but still drives the buss, pedal to the metal, off the cliff.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-05-19 02:21 PM | Reply

That's what the venezuelans thought too.
The difference is only temporal.

#6 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2017-05-19 02:21 PM | FLAG:

Any comments on Trump walking into companies and running them himself?

Trump is Venezuela.

Why doesn't the conservative corporate elite want to talk about it?

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-05-19 02:23 PM | Reply

Venezuela is an example of how socialism can go wrong. - clownshack

It always goes wrong, even with unlimited natural resources it always finds a way to screw up, bigly.

Show me one socialist country that has sustainable debt.

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-05-19 02:24 PM | Reply

"and not a single "conservative" is willing to examine what they did to Kansas."

Are people dying of starvation in Kansas? I guess I missed that report. Musta been here somewhere tho...

Maybe the same article went into detail on how Kansas had a poverty rate of 82%...like Venezuela does.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Venezuela is an example of a country which based its economy on oil. Russia is having economic problems too, so is Saudi Arabia."

Venezuela's problems are unique, as they brought them on themselves when the government elected to nationalize the firms that managed the complex extraction and processing. Cost per barrel was high and they didn't want to share the spoils. So they nationalized industries that, afterwards, became almost valueless. A bunch of rusting equipment no one knew how to operate. They tried to bring in the Chinese, but they were unable to make it work either.

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:27 PM | Reply

Also. There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy.

You know the article hits home because a liberal will start to mince definitions..

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2017-05-19 02:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"Venezuela is an example of how socialism can go wrong. Because the people in charge were greedy and didn't have the best intentions for its citizens at heart. For socialism to work the people in charge need to be altruistic."

What good is an altruistic president when those who create the wealth don't want to give it up to those that didn't.

An altruistic president would abandon the -------- that Chavez left him and do everything in his power to encourage foreign investment. It's capitalism, NOT socialism, that has elevated more than half the population of earth into the middle class. If you can't see that, you're stupid, blind, or both.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:31 PM | Reply

"Also. There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy."

Really?

What's the difference? is it 51% of the population deciding how to spend the money of the remaining 49%? As opposed to traditional socialists models where such decisions were made by socialist apparatchiks on behalf of the people?

The problem with inducing democracy into socialism is that 51% will almost certainly come to the logical conclusion that socialism sucks ass...and choose to toss it out.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:34 PM | Reply

"Why doesn't the conservative corporate elite want to talk about it?"

I think you'll have to wait until Trump decides to nationalize Apple and Amazon in the name of the people.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:35 PM | Reply

"You know the article hits home because a liberal will start to mince definitions..."

Democratic Socialism is really nothing more than the vestigial remains of traditional socialism...re-branded when capitalism became the clear ideological winner in the war of ideologies.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:37 PM | Reply

VZ was once South America's richest nation. Now it looks more like Somalia. Brought to you by socialism.

Actually, it looks more like North Korea. Because there is still an elite class of Chavistas who are wealthy and well fed, filling the internet with twitter posts from yachts and ski vacations.

In Somalia there is not such a class...probably because Somalia is not socialist.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 02:41 PM | Reply

Are people dying of starvation in Kansas? I guess I missed that report. Musta been here somewhere tho...
Maybe the same article went into detail on how Kansas had a poverty rate of 82%...like Venezuela does.
#10 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-05-19 02:25 PM

What you're purposely ignoring is Kansas isn't a country.

It's a state. Who relies on other states (such as California) to aid its economy.

It's redistribution of wealth. From the states that have to the states that need.

What you idiots aren't acknowledging is America uses socialism.

In pure capitalism there wouldn't be a middle class. It defeats the point of capitalism.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 06:24 PM | Reply

Also. There's a difference between pure socialism and a socialist democracy.

You know the article hits home because a liberal will start to mince definitions..
#12 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2017-05-19 02:31 PM | FLAG:

Says the guy collecting government checks.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 06:25 PM | Reply

In Somalia there is not such a class...probably because Somalia is not socialist.
#17 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-05-19 02:41 PM | FLAG:

You should move to Somalia.

It's the perfect country for you.

You stupid moron.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 06:26 PM | Reply

Democratic Socialism is really nothing more than the vestigial remains of traditional socialism...re-branded when capitalism became the clear ideological winner in the war of ideologies.
#16 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-05-19 02:37 PM | FLAG: clueless as to what democratic socialism is.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-19 06:27 PM | Reply

"In pure capitalism there wouldn't be a middle class. It defeats the point of capitalism."

No genius, it's capitalism that created the middle class. not just here, but all around the world. And it's the free market that has continues to pull people out of desperate poverty..far more than socialism ever did.

"Says the guy collecting government checks."

Technically, VZ is a socialist democracy. Chavez and Maduro were both voted into power.

"You should move to Somalia."

I will. you can send me a postcard once you relocate to venezuela. I'd being some food with you though...

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 06:39 PM | Reply

Actually, you seem like a pretty committed socialist. Maybe they'd let you join the clique. Ride around in their yachts and take ski vacations.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 06:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"No genius, it's capitalism that created the middle class. not just here, but all around the world. And it's the free market that has continues to pull people out of desperate poverty..far more than socialism ever did."

You are, as always, full of crap. It was democracy that created the middle class by taxing the rich, creating minimum wages and other labor laws. Capitalism, if left to it's own devices would bring us back to feudalism.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-20 07:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you do know that Venezuela is in another country while Kansas isn't? right?

You do know Kansas re-elected those republicans back in office right?

#25 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 09:18 AM | Reply

"Are people dying of starvation in Kansas?"

Is that the bar now?

The fact KS shot itself in the foot, and has been decimating services, taking billions from pensions and roads, and gutting the Early Childhood Development Fund should be evidence enough.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 09:23 AM | Reply

It was democracy that created the middle class by taxing the rich, creating minimum wages and other labor laws.

How did democracy do this?

#27 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 09:31 AM | Reply

Fact is you all really don't like democracy, you don't like any style that isn't liberal left, it clearly shows you don't care what the people elected(democracy) in Kansas, it wasn't left so everything done is bad bad bad.

#28 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 09:36 AM | Reply

"you don't care what the people elected(democracy) in Kansas, it wasn't left so everything done is bad bad bad."

Feel free to express where you believe KS has done good, good, good.

They formulated a budget that was $460 million in the red.

They claimed increased tax revenues (from slashed tax rates) would make up the difference.

It didn't, and those in power have refused since day one to admit their mistake. Instead, they've been willing to drive the state deeper and deeper into a debt spiral that will take years, if not decades, to fix. In the meantime, they've taken billions from the road fund, delayed billions in pension payments for state workers, and even taken money from the ECDF, the equivalent of stealing money from babies' piggy banks, all to avoid admitting what total idiocy they wreaked on the state.

Nobody needs to pretend it's a disaster. Not if you can read and understand numbers.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 09:43 AM | Reply

#24

You're an idiot yet again.

If Democracy created a middle class, then Venezuela wouldn't have the problems it does now. VZ is where it is because a democratically elected government taxed the rich and implemented other left-wing economic policies that drove out the wealth creators. This is literally no different than what happened in Chile under Allende, Cuba under Castro, or any number of countries that mistakenly thought that could complete the socialist experiment successfully.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 09:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Feel free to express where you believe KS has done good, good, good."

Do you really think that comparing VZ t Kansas is valid?

People are starving to death in VZ. Not so much in KS. Caracas is the second-most dangerous city on earth right now. Brought to you by Democratic Socialism.

This ---- happens over and over again. How utterly ------- stupid do you have to be to not get that Socialism is the root cause of this problem.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 10:48 AM | Reply

"Do you really think that comparing VZ t Kansas is valid"

Economic failures come in all shapes and sizes. And Little Donnie Nanohands wants to extend The Kansas Miracle to the entire nation.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 10:53 AM | Reply

Unless voters in Kansas choose democratic socialism, I think they'll be OK in the long run.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 10:58 AM | Reply

You have no idea what is going on in Kansas, do you? It's a fiscal disaster. Trickle down on steroids.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 11:01 AM | Reply

Feel free to express where you believe KS has done good, good, good.

Never said such a belief in that and it is amazing you would feel the need to attribute something ridiculous as this, selective party education must be weighing heavy!

Just pointing out our democracy and what the people voted. Some how you don't like those peoples choices so it isn't a democracy there.

#35 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 11:02 AM | Reply

You have no idea what is going on in Kansas, do you?

Know exactly what is going on there, I am from there, have property there.

#36 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 11:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then let's see how tied you are to reality. What's going on in Kansas ... Good, or bad?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 11:10 AM | Reply

Political tied....LOL, according to whom? You?.....LOL!

The people of Kansas re-elected the officials, what part of that don't you understand in a democracy, the people decided they like what is being done, it matters not if you or I like what is going on. Why is this so difficult for you to understand.

#38 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 11:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Because unlike the idiots who run Kansas, I know how to balance a budget.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 11:23 AM | Reply

"You have no idea what is going on in Kansas, do you? It's a fiscal disaster. Trickle down on steroids."

I have something of an idea. The governor, a Tea party type, cut taxes as a means of spurring economic growth. But the economy didn't grow, and now they can't pay their bills.

Is that close, or are people starving to death as a result of Brownback's policies?

Barring any sort of event that leaves me mentally disabled, here's what I can always count on as an American. I won't starve, and I won't be without a home. What you're address are problems, but they're rich people problems. First world problems.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rich peoples problems?!? It's everybody's problem. They're taking money from schools, they aren't repairing the roads, they aren't making pension payments for the workers, and they're taking money from the early childhood development fund. It's everybody's problem. You're an idiot if you think those are rich peoples problems.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 12:14 PM | Reply

"Rich peoples problems?!? It's everybody's problem. They're taking money from schools, they aren't repairing the roads, they aren't making pension payments for the workers, and they're taking money from the early childhood development fund. It's everybody's problem. You're an idiot if you think those are rich peoples problems."

Do you think those problems are the same as those that keep the people of Caracas or Tegucigalpa up at night?

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 12:31 PM | Reply

Why is it only poverty if the word "abject " is before it?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 12:42 PM | Reply

"Why is it only poverty if the word "abject " is before it?"

Because otherwise it's wholly subjective. Someone like Kim Kardashian would probably consider herself impoverished if forced to survive at my standard of living. A citizen of Caracas would likely think that I am quite wealthy. Abject poverty is really the only kind that matters objectively, because it's the only kind that can kill you.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 01:00 PM | Reply

It' not like I'm dismissing your points on Brownback's Kansas, but no one is going to starve because of what he's done. You see the difference?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 01:01 PM | Reply

Why does it always have to be extremes? Why is no one in poverty unless they're starving to death? Why are problems not problems unless it's a life or death situation? The folks in Kansas have instituted a death spiral in their budget. That's a major problem, no matter your status in life.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 01:41 PM | Reply

It's like telling someone with terminal pancreatic cancer that you can feel their pain because you have a cold. They are two very difference things.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 02:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nonsense. Kansas is digging a hole that will take decades to fix, and people will suffer and die because of that. The fact they're not starving to death is hardly a comfort.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 02:32 PM | Reply

And your analogy is more like telling someone with the flu it can't be bad, simply because you know someone with a worse malady.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-20 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus.

What absolute bullcrap.

Figures it was posted by Bozo.

#50 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-05-20 02:41 PM | Reply

Kansas is part of the United States. It's stupidity is insulated by the rest of the nation

If Kansas was a country. It would be in the same situation Venezuela is.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-20 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"but no one is going to starve because of what he's done"

1 in 7.

The reason people don't starve in Kansas and elsewhere in America is because charities provide food. And the reason we see more of that in Kansas than Venezuela is because America is much richer than Venezuela... and Americans are much richer than Venezuelans.

www.kansasfoodbank.org
"WICHITA – August 18, 2014 – A new study by the Kansas Food Bank and Feeding America shows that 1 in 7 people, or an estimated 215,300 people, in the Kansas Food Bank's service area turn to food pantries and meal service programs to feed themselves and their families."

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-05-20 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not going to read through the thread.

This is post #53 and not a single liberal has commented, I'm sure.

I mean, the title says liberals won't talk about it and the guy who posted it is pretty smart...

#53 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-05-20 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nonsense. Kansas is digging a hole that will take decades to fix, and people will suffer and die because of that. The fact they're not starving to death is hardly a comfort."

Again, the perspective of a resident of the first world.

And you're being dramatic if you think that people in KS are going to die. Maybe, but it would be a first in a really long time.

"If Kansas was a country. It would be in the same situation Venezuela is."

Actually, it wouldn't. Unless it adopted Democratic Socialism...then you're right. The it would be.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 07:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

salon....the times....bernie...even sean penn.....all said basically same glowing things..

you people won't change history ....no matter how much you exaggerate, hyperbolize and make stuff up...

#55 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-05-20 08:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Beyond the political labels Socialism etc. What Venezuela is going through is the collapse of an authoritarian regime. Armed paramilitary gangs suppress any hint of opposition in urban areas. The Cubans gave that government major assistance establishing a newer and more effective internal security organization, AKA Secret Police in the Stalinist mode. The government broke up large farms which provided most of the country's food to distribute the land to the poor, but unfortunately, most had no ideal how to farm beyond a substance level, if that. The nationalization of basic industries basically ended the operation of most of them and insured that no one in their right mind would invest, build or operate anything in that country. The technicians who ran these operations have for the most part fled the country or returned home. When you promise everything to everyone and don't deliver, you are not going to hold on to power very long. Desperate people do desperate actions. Hate to see it, but expect a civil war to start soon. The junta is well entrenched, it will take a serious military action to remove them. Probity end up with an other dictatorship, but that is the heritage in that part of the world. Some times it is the USA behind the scenes, but not as often as some believe. Political violence can occur without out assistance.

#56 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-05-22 12:35 AM | Reply

Wow, Boaz really cut deep with this thread. We've been treated to parsing the definition of Socialism to massive deflections to Kansas. But none of the DR liberals or Progressives stepped up and admitted that Venezuela is where it is because of Socialism.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-05-22 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"to massive deflections to Kansas. "

KS is the canary proving things can suck royally under Capitalism, too.

Venzuela's two main problem are:
1) They have one overriding industry, and the price for that product is cyclically low.
2) They Nationalized everything, chilling any and all outside investment. No one in the USA is suggesting this step, at least no one being taken seriously.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-22 10:14 AM | Reply

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