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Thursday, May 18, 2017

For the first time, more Americans would say "yes" to impeaching Donald Trump than would say "no," according to a new poll. A survey from Public Policy Polling released Tuesday finds 48 percent of those questioned support impeaching the president, while just 41 percent would oppose the move. The negative feelings about Trump also affected prognostications about how long his presidency will last. Just 43 percent of respondents think Trump will remain in office for four years, while 45 percent think he won't complete his term. Another 12 percent "aren't sure one way or the other."

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The 63-page March 16 PPP report - "Health Care Puts House in Play" - is here: www.publicpolicypolling.com

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-05-17 01:14 PM | Reply

Headline fail. Since the authors don't understand that 48% is not a majority, it brings into question the methodology of their poll.

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-05-17 01:38 PM | Reply

The headline descriptor came with the article.
The poll language is clear.
Once you've read the results, please get back with any methodological shortcomings.
Thanks.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-05-17 01:45 PM | Reply

"a Majority of Americans Polled" is in pretty large font at the link... were one to bother.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-05-17 01:48 PM | Reply

The chances of Sentinel actually reading the article - forget the actual source for it - are approximately equivalent to the likelihood of Trump making it through an entire news cycle without embarrassing himself, mortifying the normals, or leaking information to the Russians.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-05-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

according to PPP, 692 people answered the poll. I found 57.6 million people voted.

#6 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-05-17 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oops, 692 people answered the poll with over 120 million people casting votes.

692 vs. 120,000,000

#7 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-05-17 02:08 PM | Reply

"Oops, 692 people answered the poll with over 120 million people casting votes."

So, because you don't understand how sampling works, the poll isn't valid?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-17 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"according to PPP, 692 people answered the poll." - #6 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-05-17 02:07 PM

Obviously you're dumbfounded by math and statistics.

Quelle surprise.

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2017-05-17 02:15 PM | Reply

So.. basically... very close to the numbers that got Trump elected in the first place.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-18 08:26 AM | Reply

If you don't understand that 600+ sample out of a population of infinity is scientifically acceptable given the sample is representative, please do not display your arse for the rest of us to see. Be like a polite plumber please.

#11 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-18 02:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

No, the numbers are not a proper statistical sampling.

692 people is not a valid sampling out of 120 million.

#12 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-05-18 04:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"692 people is not a valid sampling out of 120 million." - #12 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-05-18 04:04 PM

Sure it is.

The margin of error for a sample is dependent on four main factors: the size of the sample; the variability of the item being measured; the effect of weighting and the sample design (captured by the design effect); and the proportion of the total population being sampled. Of these, the size of the sample is by far the most important. The margin of error declines as the size of the sample gets larger, but the relationship is not linear. Because of how the margin of sampling error is calculated, decreases in the margin of error get smaller as the sample grows. This is why so many polls have samples of around 1,000 or so. Adding another 1,000 interviews for a total of 2,000 reduces the margin of error by only about 1 percentage point.

source

But if you're so certain it isn't, what would be a valid sampling?

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2017-05-18 04:17 PM | Reply

@#12 No, the numbers are not a proper statistical sampling.

692 people is not a valid sampling out of 120 million.

Please explain the statistics to substantiate your assertion.

fwiw, the methodology states:

Public Policy Polling surveyed 692 registered voters between May 12 th and 14th. The margin of error is +/-3.7%. 80% of participants, selected through a list based sample, responded via the phone, while 20% ofrespondents who did not have landlines conducted the survey over the internet through an opt-in internetpanel.

Where, statistically, do you see the error in the methodology?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-05-18 11:43 PM | Reply


Also, fwiw, I wrote in a different thread on this topic...

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I would proffer that we should not rush into such a scenario.

From what I've seen so far, there's a lot of smoke but no substantiated evidence at this point.

I'd want to see what information subpoenas produce before I'd decide to support going down such a path.
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So it looks as if i am in the 41% group for now.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-05-18 11:48 PM | Reply

I'm wondering how many out of those 48% are people who voted for Trump with the idea they'd end up with Pence at least as the de facto President if not actual President sooner rather than later...

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-05-18 11:58 PM | Reply

@#16

A good question indeed.

I'd have to wonder if the Democrats would really want a Pres Pence instead of a Pres Trump.

With a Pres Trump there appears to be near-continual chaos in the White House, chaos that I suspect would disappear were a Pres Pence to occupy the Oval Office.

With less chaos, more of the Republican agenda would be processed and enacted.

So, I'd say the Democrats need to be very aware of Country over Party type of decisions. It's been shown quite extensively, and with many exclamation points, that, given the choice, the Republicans will choose Party over Country.

Will Democrats also go down that path?

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-05-19 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As a Democrat, keeping Trump in office has actually become cathartic.

As a human, we need to get him out ASAP regardless of what battles lie ahead.

#18 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-19 01:16 AM | Reply

Hey ya'll...never slowed me down!
-Bubba

#19 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-05-19 01:18 AM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN AT 2017-05-19 01:18 AM | FLAG: Maybe most pathetic deflection in DR history.

#20 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-19 01:50 AM | Reply

Is this like the Hillary wins poll?

#21 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-05-19 07:49 AM | Reply

#21

People who still don't get the difference between a predictive poll and a current opinion poll.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2017-05-19 08:00 AM | Reply

"Is this like the Hillary wins poll?" - #21 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-05-19 07:49 AM

Actually:

National Polling Accurately Nails Popular Vote

In terms of predicting the national popular vote outcome, the national polls did remarkably well in 2016.

Facts are not your friend.

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2017-05-19 09:06 AM | Reply

Well its a good think impeachment is not done by poll then isn't it. Impeachment is done by a majority of those elected which are not democrat so no impeachment sorry.

Next time learn how the country works.

#24 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-05-19 09:55 AM | Reply

#24

"No impeachment sorry"

If this Donald stuff goes anywhere as strange and nasty as it might, you'll be on board.

There is a real possibility that Donald is money launderer who never thought anyone would notice his mob ties

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2017-05-19 10:14 AM | Reply

Well its a good think impeachment is not done by poll then isn't it. Impeachment is done by a majority of those elected which are not democrat so no impeachment sorry.
Next time learn how the country works.

#24 | POSTED BY TMASTER

If you are proven wrong, can you PROMISE to quit posting? You always post lies anyway.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-05-19 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tmaster apparently doesn't think the government should reflect the will of the people. Well, at least not when his view is unpopular.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2017-05-19 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Impeachment is done by a majority of those elected which are not democrat so no impeachment sorry." - #24 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-05-19 09:55 AM

How a member of the US House votes vis-à-vis impeachment is not based on his/her party affiliation.

Next time learn how the country works.

#28 | Posted by Hans at 2017-05-19 12:29 PM | Reply

The Dems are doing absolutely everything in their power to try and get trump impeached. But if they do, Trump will still have absolutely no one else to blame for it but himself.

This Donnie needs a Walter to tell him to shut the ---- up because he's out of his element.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 10:13 PM | Reply

There are so many Big Lebowski story lines that could be applied to this situation. the fact that the goober's name is Donny only makes it more funny.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 10:16 PM | Reply

This Donnie needs a Walter to tell him to shut the ---- up because he's out of his element.

That is very true. He also needs someone to be president after he shuts the ---- up, since he's out of his element there as well.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-05-19 10:17 PM | Reply

"You're out of your element, Donnie!"

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-05-19 10:17 PM | Reply

I throw that line at my students ALL the time. Not one has recognized the reference.

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-05-19 10:18 PM | Reply

Shut the ---- up, Donny!

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 10:52 PM | Reply

"That is very true. He also needs someone to be president after he shuts the ---- up, since he's out of his element there as well."

Kinda gotta admit, Donny makes Pence look like the second coming of Christ...

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-19 10:53 PM | Reply

AlterNet has developed a unique model of journalism to confront the failures of corporate media, as well as the vitriol and disinformation of right wing media, especially "hate talk" media.

LOL....wonder about the mission statement!

#36 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-20 02:22 AM | Reply

The right may have the market cornered with regard to talk radio, but the left definitely owns the interweb.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-05-20 10:59 AM | Reply

I'd have to wonder if the Democrats would really want a Pres Pence instead of a Pres Trump.
With a Pres Trump there appears to be near-continual chaos in the White House, chaos that I suspect would disappear were a Pres Pence to occupy the Oval Office.
With less chaos, more of the Republican agenda would be processed and enacted.
#17 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2017-05-19 12:22 AM | FLAG:

Very Newsworthy.

Questions like these stress me out.

I feel Pence would be worse for America. Same with Paul Ryan. Or any of the other morons lined up to take his place.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-20 02:54 PM | Reply

The right may have the market cornered with regard to talk radio, but the left definitely owns the interweb.

#37 | Posted by madbomber

You might want to think about why that is true (hint: ownership).

#39 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-20 04:13 PM | Reply

"Shut the ---- up, Donny!"

"You're out of your element, Donnie!"

As usual the Rightos are finally catching up. I was making Lebowski jokes three weeks ago.

#40 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-20 10:05 PM | Reply

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