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Sunday, May 14, 2017

A top White House official tried to defend the American Health Care Act (AHCA) -- the GOP's response to Obamacare -- earlier this week by implying that health care systems shouldn't help someone who "sits at home, eats poorly and gets diabetes." According to the Washington Examiner, Mick Mulvaney of the Office of Management and Budget delivered the line on Thursday while speaking to the LIGHT Forum at Stanford University. Mulvaney was asked whether he agreed with the "Jimmy Kimmel test" -- or the idea famously forwarded by the late-night show host that "No parent should ever have to decide if they can afford to save their child's life."

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Kimmel made the quip while delivering an impassioned account of his newborn son's struggle to survive a congenital heart disease.

"That doesn't mean we should take care of the person who sits at home, eats poorly and gets diabetes," Mulvaney said. "Is that the same thing as Jimmy Kimmel's kid? I don't think that it is." ...

The American Diabetes Association was quick to condemn Mulvaney's remarks, saying they are "extremely disappointed" and describing his statement as "misinformed." "Mr. Mulvaney's comments perpetuate the stigma that one chooses to have diabetes based on his/her lifestyle," the statement read. "We are also deeply troubled by his assertion that access to health care should be rationed or denied to anyone. All of the scientific evidence indicates that diabetes develops from a diverse set of risk factors, genetics being a primary cause. People with diabetes need access to affordable health care in order to effectively manage their disease and prevent dangerous and costly complications. Nobody should be denied coverage or charged more based on their health status."

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I wonder if this guy thinks living in Flint MI is a life choice?

#1 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-05-13 07:03 PM | Reply

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-05-14 08:54 AM | Reply

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

Yes even if you DO vote rethuglican, you still have a right to health care

#3 | Posted by hamsterpants at 2017-05-14 08:59 AM | Reply

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

Yes, but the decision gets more complicated when dealing with scare resources such as transplants. For example, should an alcoholic that has ruined their liver receive precedence over someone that has not actively contributed to ruining their liver? Should a 95 year old in need of a heart transplant receive precedence over a 35 year old that, except for a defective heart, is in good health?

#4 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-05-14 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, health care is not an option, it should be available to all legal citizens period. It is stupid to say otherwise. It is for the posterity of our nation.

#5 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-14 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Science, and particularly medical research, is coming through to create human organs from stem cells. New kidneys, with YOUR genetics? Entirely possible.

#6 | Posted by john47 at 2017-05-14 09:53 AM | Reply

Yes, health care is not an option, it should be available to all legal citizens period. It is stupid to say otherwise. It is for the posterity of our nation.

Welcome back Moneywar. That sounds like the poster I admired and respected oh so long ago. While there is nothing wrong with disagreeing about policy and objectives, baseline human needs of subsistence (food, shelter and access to healthcare services) make up the foundation of any humane and moral society/nation-state. On this all citizens should agree.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-05-14 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?
#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Yes, it's not a servant's job to tell their master what to do.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-05-14 10:26 AM | Reply

Tony, thanks, I have never abandon such, just think we have lost our way moving far to far progressively left. I have not party covet, I am independent and wish the best for this great nation of ours.

Not 8 months ago, the left progressive democrats SCREAMED about the right obstructions yet now we will see the same from those very people for the next 4 years. Party affiliation is proven here to be a total waste of hypocrisy time.

#9 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-14 10:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Study #5.

That's what a right winger with a pre existing condition in his or her family sounds like.

#10 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-05-14 10:39 AM | Reply

#9

We need Special Prosecutor.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2017-05-14 10:39 AM | Reply

Mulvaney is a piece of work, a true Rethug lowlife. By his logic anyone at fault in a car accident should expect no insurance to pay anything for the cars or the hospital. Similarly, if you ever smoke a cigarette or got a sunburn you should not expect treatment for cancer, unless you pay for it yourself.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-05-14 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9

We've never moved radically left because the GOP thwarted most of the progressive agenda Obama tried to enact. Again, we part ways. This nation's problems aren't driven by any obsession with socialism or any unfair milking of the wealthy, it's the rampant takeover of our government and policy by oligarchs, bankers and kleptocrats. Poor people don't have money, hence they have no power in DC or our statehouses. I know, I spend time in one where the GOP enjoys supermajorities in both houses and the governorship. The concerns of the least powerful don't receive hearings unless situations face critical mass and may bleed over into the concerns of the wealthy or expose their exploitations.

The arc of history continues to move away from our past and that doesn't have to be a bad thing. What I see as the upcoming storm will likely change the politics of this nation forever moving forward and the criminality associated with many in the GOP will be laid bare. Ultimately history will prove one of us more correct and prescient than the other. May we live to see the verdicts while supporting the nation we love - warts, disagreements and all.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-05-14 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Tony, very nice post and agree with the majority of it.

I would say the majority of both GOP and DNC with the politics of criminality associated will be laid to bare, it is the reason I am an independent, if performance isn't pushed through for the betterment of our nation I will surely voice my ire.

Trump has just gained office and will give him a chance, if I see his policies are wrongful for the nation you will surely see my posts show such grievances.

#14 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-14 11:06 AM | Reply

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

The irony of this question is that your side wouldn't shut up about "death panels" when Obamacare was passed.

Now you want government to decide which Americans are deserving of health care help and which ones aren't, based on whether you blame them for their health maladies. Nothing could be closer to a death panel than that.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2017-05-14 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

So you are saying your poor decisions are made purposeful out of wanton will regardless of the outcome. Even you should have healthcare for such myopic stupidity.

#16 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-14 11:16 AM | Reply

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

The fallacy with this statement when it comes to health is that it is virtually impossible to come anywhere near being able to tell which people got sick because they made poor choices and which got sick because of something out of their control. The cause and effect when it comes medical problems is something that is poorly understood on the grand scale and not understood at all when it comes individuals. In the case of diabetes, there is a lot of evidence that many cases are caused by a bad mix of bacteria in the gut, and that fixing that seems to help or even fix it.

There is even evidence that obese people may have gotten obese and diabetes BECAUSE their gut bacteria were off. Insulin resistance, type 2, causes excessive insulin production which then makes you hungry and store fat. Basically, it makes people fat on its own. Take any person and make them unceasingly hungry. How many of them would be able to resist becoming overweight?

#17 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-05-14 11:36 AM | Reply

So you are saying your poor decisions are made purposeful out of wanton will regardless of the outcome. Even you should have healthcare for such myopic stupidity.

#16 | Posted by Crassus

Do YOU really want the government evaluating every aspect of your life determining what is a poor life choice and what isn't?

How many hours on the internet do you spend? Poor life choice

How many cups of coffee have you drunk today? Poor life choice

Did you eat a Snickers bar? Poor life choice

Did you have a shot of that 20 year old scotch? Poor life choice

Did you smoke a Cuban cigar? Poor life choice

Do you drive a sports car? Poor life choice

Do you ride a motorcycle? Poor life choice

Do you participate in extreme sports? Poor life choice

Do you play football or any contact sport? Poor life choice

Did you get pregnant? Poor life choice

Were you in the room with someone smoking? Poor life choice

Did you eat eggs? Poor life choice

Did you NOT eat eggs? Poor life choice

Do you live alone? Poor life choice

Did you stay in an abusive relationship? Poor life choice

-- and the elephant you rode in on.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-05-14 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

it is virtually impossible to come anywhere near being able to tell which people got sick because they made poor choices
#17 | Posted by LEgregius

In the R world it's very easy to tell. If they're poor they got sick because they decided to be poor. So they don't deserve health care. If they're rich they decided to be rich and that comes with health care. See? Nothing too it.

#19 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-05-14 11:43 AM | Reply

Do YOU really want the government evaluating every aspect of your life determining what is a poor life choice and what isn't?

You were so interested in degrading me that you failed to understand the meaning of my post, hmmmm, wonder how that could be?

#20 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-14 11:48 AM | Reply

"Not 8 months ago, the left progressive democrats SCREAMED about the right obstructions yet now we will see the same from those very people for the next 4 years."

No, you already haven't seen "the same," because Republicans got their guy on the Supreme Court, and Democrats didn't.

It's like you go to a football game but never look at the scoreboard. That's what makes you so insufferable.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-05-14 12:09 PM | Reply

Trump thinks that exercising too much uses up the body's ‘finite' energy
www.washingtonpost.com

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-05-14 12:15 PM | Reply

Crassus is MW? Once called the most liberal poster on this blog?

This must be Bizarro Earth.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-05-14 12:22 PM | Reply

I don't know the full story Corky, but I'm pretty sure it was post-lobotomy.

#24 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-14 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

People with self inflicted or family member inflicted gun shot wounds should have to pay for their own care.
Same with people that cause car crashes.
All this judgement makes me tingly.

#25 | Posted by bored at 2017-05-14 01:19 PM | Reply

Did you have a shot of that 20 year old scotch? Poor life choice
#18 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I might support punishment for anyone who shoots a 20yo scotch.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2017-05-14 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

how about all of the dumba$$ gun nut hunters who shoot themselves, shoot their kids, or their kids shoot them or a school up, they should have to pay for their own care.

#27 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-05-14 01:51 PM | Reply

I HAVE READ PEOPLE RIGHT HERE talk about smokers and this very thing.....

hypocrites.

#28 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-05-14 06:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You either think everyone should have health care, or you don't.

What do you think, afkabl2?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-05-14 06:23 PM | Reply

"Smokers"

You mean Capitalist fiction authors, right?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-05-14 06:35 PM | Reply

How about people whose kids get the measles because they bought into the right wing anti-vaxx theories?

How about the people whose kids got the measles because some other kid's parents are proudly ignorant and let their unvaccinated kid go to school with the measles during the two weeks where they are contagious but not symptomatic?

#31 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-05-14 06:44 PM | Reply

By extension of this logic, we will need to hire food, exercise and life style police to monitor behavior to assure no one is cheating the system.

This from the party of the individual and freedumb lovers.

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-05-14 06:50 PM | Reply

I HAVE READ PEOPLE RIGHT HERE talk about smokers and this very thing.....

hypocrites.

#28 | Posted by afkabl2

I bet those people were conservatives

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-05-14 06:54 PM | Reply

Michelle Obama tried to encourage behavior that would prevent diabetes and the rodent people in the GOP attacked her repeatedly.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2017-05-14 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The president has a fat man who lives off of fast food. So maybe he shouldn't have insurance?

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-05-14 11:10 PM | Reply

The nation has a responsibility to ALL of its citizens, even the vilest criminals and those less fortunate than you.

If you believe there is even 1 American who should be allowed to go without healthcare while we pay the LOWEST taxes since WWII then you have no idea of what thus nation is about.

How dare you complain about elitist liberals while you look down your nose at people who most likely live cleaner lives than you.

#36 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-05-15 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mulvaney is a piece of work, a true Rethug lowlife. By his logic anyone at fault in a car accident should expect no insurance to pay anything for the cars or the hospital. Similarly, if you ever smoke a cigarette or got a sunburn you should not expect treatment for cancer, unless you pay for it yourself.

#12 | Posted by nutcase

If you smoke cigarettes, should your premiums be higher?

If you have had a drunk driving arrest in the past, should your insurance premiums be higher?

Do you support taxes on Coke and Pepsi, which have passed in many US cities?

#37 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-05-15 12:12 AM | Reply

Monitoring the lifestyles of all Americans to determine their deservedness for health care would require a HUGE expansion of Federal power. That's what you want?

#38 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-15 07:29 AM | Reply

#38 If it involves denying poor people benefits, the right is fine with expanding federal power.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-15 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not 8 months ago, the left progressive democrats SCREAMED about the right obstructions yet now we will see the same from those very people for the next 4 years. Party affiliation is proven here to be a total waste of hypocrisy time.

#9 | Posted by Crassus

Except the right was being obstructionist to prevent the sick from getting healthcare.

The left is being obstructionist to prevent putin from running our country.

False equivalence is the only way republicans can sleep at night.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-05-15 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats obstructing evil republicans from making health care inaccessable to millions of Americans and condemning them to slow painful deaths is not the same as republicans obstructing democrats from making the country a better place where nobody has to worry about going bankrupt because of an illness or an accident

#41 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-05-15 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, no matter which poor decisions I make, the gov should bail me out?

Worked for the Banksters. Why not the little people?

The taxpayers paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 trillion dollars to bail out the banks. When they made poor decisions. Yes?

That and the failed Iraq war would have funded a pretty nice healthcare system for Americans.

Maybe even as nice as Australia's.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-15 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the argument I expected would play out eventually, once the ACA was passed: Do people have a right to health care? In other words, are all human beings entitled to the medical profession's best efforts to keep them alive? Or just certain people?

As with nearly every partisan argument, it really comes down to a question of haves vs. have-nots. Rich people, who may or may not be rich because of anything virtuous they have done, don't have to worry about such things. Guess who does, though?

Seems like I read somewhere that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights that are endowed by our creator.

#43 | Posted by cbob at 2017-05-15 03:17 PM | Reply

Seems like I read somewhere that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights that are endowed by our creator.

#43 | Posted by cbob

Not to mention that one of the purposes for the formation of this country was to "Promote the general welfare".

#44 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-15 06:34 PM | Reply

In other words, are all human beings entitled to the medical profession's best efforts to keep them alive? Or just certain people?

Only if they have lived "good lives". (definition of "good lives" TBD)

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-15 07:01 PM | Reply

Only if they have lived "good lives". (definition of "good lives" TBD)

#45 | Posted by donnerboy

I imagine it will be a Calvinist definition.

#46 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-15 09:16 PM | Reply

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