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Thursday, April 20, 2017

A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters' faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters. They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, after the election. ... "Putin had the objective in mind all along, and he asked the institute to draw him a road map," said one of the sources, a former senior U.S. intelligence official.

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So, who do you think would win in a rematch now?

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-04-21 12:10 AM | Reply

So what you are saying Corky is that Hillary's campaign was so bad that a Russian Think Tank beat her...

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-04-21 01:13 AM | Reply

I'm saying if the shoe were on the other foot, you'd be talking about Comrade Hillary.

It was a simple question, really.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2017-04-21 01:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You remember when Drumpf shifted late in the election to claiming the election was "rigged?" I think this is one of the smoking guns that proves there was collusion between Drumpf, his campaign and the Russians. I can't believe the right isn't having an f'n cow right now. They have truly elected the Manchurian Candidate. We'll see it when he claims Russia is "reigning in Assad" and then rewards them by loosening sanctions. Putin will have gotten exactly what he wanted, more money in his filthy little pocket, a useful idiot in the WH, America losing standing in the world, and Americans losing faith in the electoral process and probably most importantly The world losing faith in the ideal of liberal democracy.

#4 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-04-21 02:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Read Robert F Kennedy Jr's piece on the CIA meddling in "other Countries" elections
and how handily they installed Hussein in Iraq in the 80's. We do this kind of crap
all over the world, all the time. Who started first is a matter of details at this point.

#5 | Posted by hobart at 2017-04-21 02:20 AM | Reply

"Nation Building" is the current vernacular of terms.
The games we play used to be called "Manifest Destiny"
They are all, under any name, high pressure jobs that in
many cases the players mortality can be at stake.

#6 | Posted by hobart at 2017-04-21 02:37 AM | Reply

#5 - Oh, I'm sorry so that makes it right for Russia to install their candidate, and the rest of the country should just sit back and take it up the --- as he and his cronies get richer and the rest of us get poorer? Good call Comrade!

#7 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-04-21 02:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

In your case YES, absolutely drop trow and get poorer.
While the rest of us kick back watch developments as they
proceed, cherry pick good stocks and stash loot offshore.

#8 | Posted by hobart at 2017-04-21 03:17 AM | Reply

Yup, you Rethugs, party and money over country. You disgust me.

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-04-21 03:53 AM | Reply

Oh, and we look to be headed toward another Republican crash. Job creation is all of a sudden weaker than anticipated, manufacturing jobs are still fleeing the country try in spite of Drumpf tough talk. Smart money will likely follow.

#10 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-04-21 03:55 AM | Reply

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It was totally the Russians. They hacked Hillary's schedule so she wouldn't go to rural areas and sell globalism in the key districts it mattered. It had nothing to do with economic concerns what so ever, and all the polls are lies.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-21 08:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Economic concerns? Which economic concerns had Donald Trump improved? If they had hacked Donald, which they probably did do, you'd be screaming that it was an act of war. Who do you think you're fooling? YOurself? Possibly.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-21 08:28 AM | Reply

"Oh, I'm sorry so that makes it right for Russia to install their candidate, and the rest of the country should just sit back and take it up the --- as he and his cronies get richer and the rest of us get poorer?"

He wasn't installed, he was duly elected. And if you're getting poorer, it's not because of Trump. It's not because of Putin. it's because of you.

I strongly dislike Trump, but there is absolutely no logic whatsoever to your argument.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-21 09:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So what you are saying Corky is that Hillary's campaign was so bad that a Russian Think Tank beat her...

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Yes. Thick as a ROC but now you are catching on.

The Russian government beat her. She did not have the resources nor was she even fighting the correct enemy. She would have needed the resources of our entire government to stand up against Putin's cyber army.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-04-21 09:04 AM | Reply

How did the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies get (maybe "trick" is a better term) joe Schmo in Ohio to vote for Donald?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 09:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Look at the big picture, Washington and this includes Hillary, has betrayed all working Americans and has been doing that for a very long time. Unfortunately, Trump now clearly intends to follow suit, contrary to everything he said during the campaign. Even though Trump is wrapped in a lot more stupid, the parallels between Trump's campaign and Obama's hope and change are unmistakable.

Reports of Russian interference are widespread and their impact greatly exaggerated. So far Russia is accused of highly plausible bot attacks against Hillary on Facebook, unlikely hacking Hillary's server and the DNC for publication by Wikileaks and strategizing with the Trump team. But reports on how the USA provided cash and experienced campaign strategists for the Yeltsin campaign go largely unreported. Besides the USA can do whatever it wants and everybody else must fall in line, or else.

It is irrational to believe that the real or imaginary Russian interference made a critical difference. Gerrymandering in 2/3rds of US States had the largest impact, as it always does. Next was the paltry (1.2%) growth rate, which exceeded Shrub's pathetic performance. But the 1.2% rate does not keep up with our population growth.

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-04-21 09:44 AM | Reply

How did the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies get (maybe "trick" is a better term) joe Schmo in Ohio to vote for Donald?

#15 | Posted by eberly

Well, for one, by propagating fake news stories to make her unelectable. While I have disagreements with some of her positions, she is not the "evil witch" that the right has been trying to paint her to be for the last 30 years. The Clintons were being attacked by a "vast right wing conspiracy", as was Obama.

#17 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-04-21 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Give it up. Did the Russians make sure the Dems lost over a thousand seats in the last few election cycles? HRC and the rest lost because the voting public was sick of the leftist polices and rejected it. They will continue to and whose fault will that be?

#18 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-04-21 09:56 AM | Reply

"Well, for one, by propagating fake news stories to make her unelectable"

so, the fingerprints of The Russian Institute for Strategic Studies are on fake news stories?

which ones? specifically. and were those fake news stories effective? how effective? how many voters were "tricked"?

I know she lost so you can dispense with the fact that she lost as evidence that it was all dirty pool.

I mean to some of you every time a democrat loses....and I mean EVERY TIME it's always fake news, gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc...

It's not that I deny those things exist....but that you can't ever tie it to an actual loss nor accept the reality that some times democrats suck in the area of electability.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reports of Russian interference are widespread and their impact greatly exaggerated.

Before you were saying the claims of Russian inteference were fake. Now you're saying their impact was exaggerated. I guess that's progress.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-21 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so, the fingerprints of The Russian Institute for Strategic Studies are on fake news stories?

Yes. There were completely fake news sites all over the place spreading anti-Hillary stories. Some of them were shared on Facebook over 100,000 times.

I pointed it out while it was happening. Users here were linking to sites that I showed were pretending to be real U.S. newspapers. All of them -- with no exception -- attacked Hillary and promoted Trump.

For you to act now like there's no proof is pretty rich. We have some actual documents from Putin's plan. The evidence is growing by the week.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-21 10:32 AM | Reply

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I'm aware of the news stories....but folks right here in the USA can do those....it doesn't require the action of the Russian Govt to conduct a campaign like that.

And I'm not "acting" anything. I asked a question regarding proof and now YOU are pretending to be ignorant of what proof is.

I don't doubt Putin's intent at all and I believe the sources who claim these documents have been obtained.

But what we have is sources claiming these documents exist.....do we actually have the documents?

I hope so and I hope we can eventually make a case to take action.

but I'm dealing with facts.....you're cheerleading.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 11:10 AM | Reply

#22 - Except we know that millions of new FB and Twitter users popped up in the last year with IP addresses from places like St. Petersburg Russia. They were part of a bot and Russian government paid blogger army that flooded the internet with fake news, some coming from American sites like InfoWars and Breitbart. Former FBI Special Agent Clinton Watts testified about this to congress. InfoWars would put a BS anti-Hillary story on their site, the bots and bloggers would spread it all over the net, Drumpf or somebody from his campaign would re-tweet it giving it legitimacy (child sex ring anybody?) and the mouth-breathers would then start retweeting as well. Soon the idiots at Faux would pick up the story and the MSN would be brown beaten into talking about it, even if just to shoot it down. This of course caused the Reichwingers to be even more distrustful of the MSM because they saw the story on FB or Faux so it must be true. This is ALL well documented by the FBI. The Russians even used this technique during the primary in an effort to hurt Hillary and sow discord within the Democratic party.

Add to that the fact that the Russians also hacked the voter registration databases of multiple states, and micro-targeted voters in particular in the rust belt. How did Drumpf know to campaign in the Rust belt when Hillary was up by double digits in places like Pennsylvania? He was talking confidently about doing well there months before the election, in spite of polling that was saying otgerwise. The Russians targeted voters in these states. They didn't switch votes to Drumpf as much as they caused soft Dems to vote for Stein or to stay home. They also hacked the DCCC and used that info against Dems running for Congress, so this was targeted up and down the ballot. If they could cause a Dem voter to lose enthusiasm for their Senate or Congressional candidate and stay home. Do what at one point was looking like a huge Hillary win and a possible Dem waive turned into the crap fest that we have today. Remember, Drumpf only won those states by a total of 70,000 votes. That's fewer people than attend an NFL game on Sundays.

#23 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-04-21 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That's fewer people than attend an NFL game on Sundays."

And it's way fewer voters than were disenfranchized by Interstate Crosscheck.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-21 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

- Look at the big picture

Dude still can't see the trees for the forest.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2017-04-21 12:35 PM | Reply

but I'm dealing with facts.....you're cheerleading.

Pat yourself on the back any harder and you'll need a chiropractor.

I wasn't cheerleading when I was ahead of this story last year and I'm not cheerleading now. There have been numerous stories that went inside Putin's trolling operation. They talked to people who worked at a building in Russia where it was troll central.

Companies that analyze social media trends saw several pro-Trump hashtags during presidential debates that originated and were spread by IP addresses in Russia before they became viral in America.

People need to wake up. We can't be a nation so weak and stupidly partisan that we let a hostile foreign power do this to our elections.

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-21 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Drumpf only won those states by a total of 70,000 votes.

Which is something less than .065 percent of the 130 something million votes cast. More of a fluke than anything else. Easily a number that could be influenced by outside sources.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-04-21 12:46 PM | Reply

"Companies that analyze social media trends saw several pro-Trump hashtags during presidential debates that originated and were spread by IP addresses in Russia before they became viral in America."

fair enough...that would be an example of "fingerprints" I was referring to.

I don't care for chiropractors, BTW.

"People need to wake up. We can't be a nation so weak and stupidly partisan that we let a hostile foreign power do this to our elections."

couldn't agree more.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 04:21 PM | Reply

Yes rcade, stories regarding Russian bot attacks within the Facebook system are credible, even though I have never participated and know little about Facebook, except it is HUGE. Thanks to Wikileaks we know the CIA, KGB and other States engage in this behavior and that it also reaches into personal devices. But I still think that gerrymandering, pathetic economic growth, low Wussie turnout and direct Rethug meddling in state outcomes they control won the election for Trump. One question, what percentage of Facebook trolls are underage?

#29 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-04-21 06:25 PM | Reply

"voting public was sick of the leftist polices and rejected it. They will continue to and whose fault will that be?"

Name a "leftist" policy that you are rejecting and I will bet that rejection is based on fake news.

Take your time now.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-04-21 06:37 PM | Reply

"We can't be a nation so weak and stupidly partisan that we let a hostile foreign power do this to our elections."

Dude, that's almost EXACTLY what Putin said in 2011 after Russian Intelligence sources assessed that Hillary Clinton and the DoS were behind mass protests that broke out in Russia.

"We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs," said Putin. And he was right. So are you.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-21 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gerrymandering in 2/3rds of US States had the largest impact - #16 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-04-21 09:44 AM
You're not claiming that gerrymandering had any effect on the Presidential race, are you?

#32 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-22 01:29 PM | Reply

#32, Avig, This discussion most certainly pertains to the 2016 Presidential Race. Gerrymandering impacts every election in the USA.

#33 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-04-22 10:15 PM | Reply

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