Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, April 19, 2017

After the White House affirmed that President Donald Trump will not release his tax returns this year, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) argued on Tuesday that "the issue is not over" and urged Americans to continue voicing their concerns about the president's lack of transparency. "Look, why is the case that people at the very top should get a bunch of tax breaks, should be able to hide their business dealings when everybody else pays, everybody else gets out there and makes our roads and bridges work, makes our schools work?" she told NBC's Today show. "Let's see what Donald Trump is up to."

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"I don't know," Warren said, when asked if Trump would ever disclose his tax information. "But I'll tell you this, I think that people are going to keep demanding it, and they are going to keep demanding it and making their voices heard on this."

After initially promising to release his tax returns during the presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly avoided doing so and became the first president in four decades to not make his tax information public.

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Considering the 'talking to' that most GOP Congressmen and Senators got in their recent town hall meetings, its not difficult to believe that each will want to avoid such treatment in the future. To get a tax bill done while avoiding the appearance of special breaks to the Trump crime family, the Gripper may well be forced to present his returns, which presents a dilemma: present them and allow all to see the extent of his dealings with Russia and other unsavory folk, or withhold them and not get tax reform--to the consternation of many who still support him...

#1 | Posted by catdog at 2017-04-19 04:44 PM | Reply

Why would Trump care what anyone wants? He won the election and doesn't care about a second term. He can screw us all as much as he wants to and nobody can do anything about it. An R CONgress will never impeach a President that claims to be an R. So he can laugh all the way to the bank. You should have thought about this when you voted for him or failed to vote.

#2 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-04-19 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump will not release his tax returns voluntarily. Since the Teapot Dome Scandal (1922) Congress has had the authority to demand the President's tax returns. But our corrupt Rethug Congress has no intention of opening up this can of worms.

#3 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-04-20 07:30 AM | Reply

Would someone fire up the DR Wayback machine and regurgitate all the arguments liberals made against Obama having to reveal his college records?

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-20 08:11 AM | Reply

#4

Is Obama making a personal profit off his college records?

Donald Trump is corrupt.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 08:16 AM | Reply

#5 We don't have any idea what might be in them. What financial benefits would there be from enrolling as a foreign exchange student? Student aid? Lower entrance requirements? Would he have been a successful politician had he not attended the schools he attended? There's simply no way to know so, like you, I am forced to speculate about what juicy details both candidate's hidden records might contain.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-20 08:20 AM | Reply

How about dolt 45 can release his tax returns but keep his school records secret then wou;ld be exactly like Obama. Surely he and you would agree to that

#7 | Posted by hamsterpants at 2017-04-20 08:30 AM | Reply

#6

Yeah, well. Donald's corrupt. No one seems to argue the point any longer. You just have two sorts of people now. Those with pride and the victims.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 08:31 AM | Reply

Tax returns aren't a voting issue, they're a talking point.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh boy! Trump sure is negotiating the South Koreans dislike for him. It is such a sweet deal, so sweet the entire country is trolling him

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-04-20 09:20 AM | Reply

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#5 | Posted by Zed
Bringing up college in a Liz Warren thread. LOL
Let her release her job application records. Liawatha!

#11 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-04-20 09:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9

Taxes not a voting issue? How bizarre.

Any aspect of Donald's finances an issue from your point of view?

Because any possibility of mob contacts and money laundering really gets the attention of those us who resist being raped.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 09:39 AM | Reply

And what would his tax returns reveal? That he paid a higher percentage than Obama, Clinton and Sanders? That was the result of the big reveal from Mascow. Is there a special tax form in there that said he received payments from the mob? Someday, well maybe not, the people on the left will do their taxes and realize that there is no such form.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-20 09:41 AM | Reply

#13

As has been explained to you, ad infinitum, Donald's taxes provide the information required for the examination of his larger finances.

But, no. I don't even accept the idea that Donald has paid more taxes than Obama, or me.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Donald's taxes are the means to see how close he is to the Mob, and by extension who he has been laundering money for.

You're a smart guy, you know all this. But you're also not much of a citizen.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 09:49 AM | Reply

You're a smart guy, you know all this. But you're also not much of a citizen.

#15 | POSTED BY ZED

Oh I think he would make a great Citizen.

A great Russian Citizen.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-04-20 10:42 AM | Reply

Taxes not a voting issue?

#12 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-04-20 09:39 AM | REPLY

See these? Voting issues. Trump's tax returns, not a voting issue.

Name 1 person on this site that would vote for or even support Trump for releasing his tax returns.

There aren't any. Lets stop pretending like it matters.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He's for everything I'm against, but hey, he released his tax returns so he's got my vote".

That's not reality, that's just political theater.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 11:20 AM | Reply

"Name 1 person on this site that would vote for or even support Trump for releasing his tax returns."

But I could name quite a few who support him even though he won't release his tax returns and the same folks would have screamed bloody murder if Clinton or Obama refused to show theirs. Suddenly it isn't important only because it's Trump.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-20 11:27 AM | Reply

Yeah that's because they're partisan hacks. Both sides do the same thing, make a big deal out of tax returns, despite the fact that there is absolutely zero chance it would sway their vote in any direction.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 11:29 AM | Reply

Lets stop pretending like it matters.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-

Let's stop pretending like it doesn't. If Do0nald is a crook, the nation needs to know that. If he is not a crook, we need to know that equally as well.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 11:32 AM | Reply

If you need tax returns to know he's a crook, you didn't watch this election at all.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 11:33 AM | Reply

absolutely zero chance it would sway their vote in any direction.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 11

Donald's real estate deals also laundering Russian mob money might sway some voters. Maybe a lot of some voters. I really don't know where you're coming from.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 11:33 AM | Reply

"That's not reality, that's just political theater."

Well, the reality when it comes to taxes, is this guy wants to rewrite the tax code to specifically advantage guys like him, and he won't show you by how much.

Do you make deals like this in the real world on a regular basis?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 11:34 AM | Reply

"Both sides do the same thing, make a big deal out of tax returns"

For good reason. Every tax return tells a story. And everyone writes their own tax return.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 11:36 AM | Reply

...metaphorically speaking.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 11:37 AM | Reply

First day: Trump helps landlords...like him.

www.bloomberg.com

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 11:40 AM | Reply

But has it ever changed someone's vote?

That's his question.

While it wouldn't change my vote it still tells me what I want to know.

It matters from a bigger picture standpoint.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-20 11:59 AM | Reply

If it doesn't change your vote then it's an irrelevant data point.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:08 PM | Reply

Let's stop pretending like it doesn't.

#21 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-04-20 11:32 AM | FLAG:

It doesn't. You're engaging in wishful thinking at best. Trump won with more negatives than any candidate in generations. One more negative isn't changing anything. Polls definitely don't support that idea.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:21 PM | Reply

"absolutely zero chance it would sway their vote in any direction."

Horse crap. It is very probable that Trump's idiot voters would have changed their minds if they found out any one of many things that his returns would have revealed. Russian, that he isn't even a billionaire, that he was close bankrupt, etc. If Trump didn't believe his tax returns would have hurt him he would have released them and everyone knows it except you apparently.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-20 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

One more negative isn't changing anything. Polls definitely don't support that idea.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:21 PM | Reply

If Donald is a crook, then we deserve to know that. Going forward, we deserve to know how badly he's been enriching himself in office. Because there's no doubt he's doing that.

Stop being a victim under the guise of realism.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it doesn't change your vote then it's an irrelevant data point.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:08 PM | Reply |

It's always useful to know if a dog is rabid.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 12:32 PM | Reply

Don't look at polls then, kick back & enjoy the theater. Negative coverage worked so great last time. What could go wrong?

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:34 PM | Reply

Negative coverage worked so great last time.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-20 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag

Not a reason for not knowing the truth.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 12:45 PM | Reply

"If it doesn't change your vote then it's an irrelevant data point."

Here's a point you seem to be unable to comprehend, you don't know what is in those returns so you don't know what effect their revelation would cause.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-20 01:17 PM | Reply

Is Obama making a personal profit off his college records? - #5 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 08:16 AM
Are you claiming that Donald Trump made a personal profit off of his tax returns? Do you read the things you write?

I don't even accept the idea that Donald has paid more taxes than Obama, or me. - #14 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 09:46 AM Reply | Flag: Doesn't believe his own eyes.

If Do0nald is a crook, the nation needs to know that. If he is not a crook, we need to know that equally as well. - #21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 11:32 AM
We have a government organization that determines if Donald is shorting his taxes or committing tax fraud. I trust them to inform the proper authorities if he has.
We have numerous organizations that track, investigate, and prosecute illegal financial dealings. I trust them to take the proper actions if Trump is found to have broken any laws.
Just because you think you deserve to have access to Trump's private information, doesn't make it so. If you think your potential neighbor will illegally operate a small business out of their home, do you think it gives you the right to go through their bank accounts, or is that a job for the authorities?

this guy wants to rewrite the tax code to specifically advantage guys like him, and he won't show you by how much. - #24 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 11:34 AM
Does it make any difference by how much? You already know he wants to advantage himself and those like him. His tax returns aren't going to change that. $10 or $10M won't change the outrage in that.

I'm of the opinion that Trump's taxes will be leaked after being released in any of the many court cases he's involved in. The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy."

You mean like Trump saying how much he like Wikileaks revealing Podesta's emails?
When morons try to make fun of the left they usually make fools of themselves and AVIGDORE is the perfect example of that.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-20 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Are you claiming that Donald Trump made a personal profit off of his tax returns?"

The claim, it seems, is this guy is going to rewrite the tax code in a way that benefits him greatly. Just to measure your grip on reality, do you believe that fact, or not?

"Does it make any difference by how much?"

You tell me. If he gets billions, and you get $1.60/day, will that be all right with you?

"The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy."

I simply want to see his taxes, to see if and how his proposals help him, me and all my clients. In the meantime, you're defending the fact he broke a promise to you and the rest of us.

He's also lying when he says his taxes are under "an ongoing audit", since no 2016 returns are currently being audited. It's the same lie he told Stephanopolis last year regarding is 2015 taxes.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We have a government organization that determines if Donald is shorting his taxes or committing tax fraud. I trust them to inform the proper authorities if he has.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017

Disingenuous.

Disregarded.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 02:58 PM | Reply

We have numerous organizations that track, investigate, and prosecute illegal financial dealings. I trust them to take the proper actions if Trump is found to have broken any laws.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017

Why such important events cannot transpire with full public transparency is not explained.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 02:59 PM | Reply

Just because you think you deserve to have access to Trump's private information, doesn't make it so.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017

Just because you want Donald to be king doesn't mean that any other American has respect for royalty.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 03:00 PM | Reply

The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore

And you think "this guy's" right to privacy outweighs the citizen's right to know who their president is in bed with?

Do you realize how stupid it is to defend trump's right to privacy as he signs legislation saying american internet users HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY?

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-04-20 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just because you think you deserve to have access to Trump's private information, doesn't make it so.
#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017

It's not about "think you deserve".

It's about transparency.

It's so you can see if they are beholden to foreign powers.

It's to make sure they don't use the position of presidency for personal gain.

It's not a "gotcha" gimmick. It's about making sure the person presiding over our nation is committed to serving the nation. Rather than themselves.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-20 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

government... I trust them
#37 | Posted by Avigdore

Funny flag!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-04-20 03:58 PM | Reply

The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy.
#37 | Posted by Avigdore

He doesn't have a right to privacy.

He's no longer a private citizen.

He's a public servant now.

He's a president. Not the king.

And he's not just "this guy". He's Donald Trump. The 45th President of the United States.

How about holding him accountable for something?

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-20 04:10 PM | Reply

Avigdore is a champion of the right to privacy

That's why he was aghast when the private DNC enails were hacked, and more aghast when Trump tried to make political hay from Clinton's privacy being violated.

And when Trump walked in on 14 to 17 year old girls in the locker room, because he could, because they have no privacy, because Trump owns the contest. Remind me how you responded, Avi?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-04-20 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Just because you think you deserve to have access to Trump's private information, doesn't make it so.
#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017

Just because you think you are still in Russia doesn't make it so Comrade.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-04-20 07:41 PM | Reply

Sorry Avigdore, people are entitled to privacy but running for and achieving the position of POTUS means you willingly give up some privacy.

And Tax returns are an appropriate item that I, as a private citizen, have a right to privacy but the POTUS does NOT have a right to privacy.

We have good reason to see such things. To determine if our president has financial relationships with foreign governments...we have a right to know that.

If that's something Trump believes is private......then he shouldn't have run for president.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-20 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Would someone fire up the DR Wayback machine and regurgitate all the arguments liberals made against Obama having to reveal his college records?

#4 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

You're comparing apples to footballs, mustang.

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2017-04-20 07:57 PM | Reply

#50

Mustang is simply trying his best to deflect and protect his beloved Donnie.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-20 08:04 PM | Reply

BTW Musty,

Where's Donnie's College Records?

How about his Birth Certificate?

It's odd you're only curious about Obama's.

Wonder why you'd care about one's and not the other's.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-20 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-20 02:44 PM
Just to measure your grip on reality, do you believe that fact, or not?
Let's go to the tapes: Avigdore: "You already know he wants to advantage himself and those like him." I literally already wrote that we know he's going do that.

You tell me. If he gets billions, and you get $1.60/day, will that be all right with you? Preeeetty sure I said it was an outrage, but you can scroll up yourself.

You're defending the fact he broke a promise to you and the rest of us. Citation, please. These two things can both be true: Trump is a liar. We have no right to violate his rights.

#53 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:03 PM | Reply

"The left will cheer the violation of this guy's right to privacy." You mean like Trump saying how much he like Wikileaks revealing Podesta's emails? - #38 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-20 02:05 PM
Is Trump the left? Then what point are you trying to make when I'm talking about the left cheering for the violation of his rights? Did you ever read me stating that the right didn't cheer for Wiki's leaking of the DNC emails?

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:45 PM | Reply

Why such important events cannot transpire with full public transparency is not explained. - #41 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 02:59 PM
I apologize. I assumed you were someone with a basic understanding of our country. Please peruse
this, and perhaps you can overcome your ignorance.

Just because you want Donald to be king doesn't mean that any other American has respect for royalty. - #42 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-20 03:00 PM
More ignorance? Don't worry, it's easily rectified. Let's look WAY back at 52 minutes prior to you making that statement:
Trump is a fool and should be voted out of office.
i was trying to find something any sane person would agree to.
#35 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-04-20 01:32 PM
Fixt
#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 02:08 PM

#55 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:46 PM | Reply

@#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-04-20 03:22 PM
And you think "this guy's" right to privacy outweighs the citizen's right to know who their president is in bed with? I believe that the Constitution grants Donald the right to privacy, and the right to vote to the people. The people have had their vote, and they will again.

Do you realize how stupid it is to defend trump's right to privacy as he signs legislation saying american internet users HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY?
Do you realize how much of a hypocrite you'd have to be to want to violate someone else's right to privacy and at the same time complain about someone violating your right to privacy?
Also, you're wrong with your claim about American's having no right to privacy on the internet. The law maintains that your right to privacy is as much or as little as you decide in the contractual agreement you make with whatever method you use to reach the internet.

#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:47 PM | Reply

@#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-20 04:10 PM
He doesn't have a right to privacy. False. He's still an American citizen with his rights protected.

He's no longer a private citizen. Ok

He's a public servant now. Sure

He's a president. Not the king. Obviously

And he's not just "this guy". He's Donald Trump. The 45th President of the United States.True

How about holding him accountable for something? In the event that evidence it brought to bear that he has violated the constitution, I will call on my congressman to bring out impeachment charges. There are court cases currently to determine if he is violation of the emoluments clause, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution. If the courts say he's in violation, then steps must be made to rectify the breach or bring on impeachment.

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:47 PM | Reply

@#49 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-20 07:48 PM
Sorry Avigdore, people are entitled to privacy but running for and achieving the position of POTUS means you willingly give up some privacy.True! Those parts are well codified in the laws and regulations surrounding the office of the President. But Tax returns aren't part of it.

And Tax returns are an appropriate item Then you need to vote in people who will make it a law. Look, I agree with you. I think that there Should be a law that requires those running for president to release that information. I've said that before. But there's not. It is not acceptable in this country for the masses to decide they want something so they're just going to take it without following the laws of the country. We are supposed to be better than that.

I, as a private citizen, have a right to privacy but the POTUS does NOT have a right to privacy. What other rights do you think should retroactively be taken from him? Freedom? Speech (don't tempt us!)? Life?

If that's something Trump believes is private......then he shouldn't have run for president. We have had presidents in the past who have not released any tax records. There is no requirement in the Constitution or the law of the land for him to do so. It is not legal to retroactively place a requirement on the position he now fills.

#58 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:52 PM | Reply

"It is not acceptable in this country for the masses to decide they want something so they're just going to take it without following the laws of the country."

You forget, the country didn't initially demand it. Little Donnie Dark vowed to release them of his own accord.

Then he lied, repeatedly, about being under audit, hoping the rubes who voted for him would lap it up. Meanwhile, anyone familiar with the IRS knows they don't begin auditing returns this quickly.

Seems to me, if you caught someone lying to you, repeatedly, you'd question their overall veracity. You'd also want to see what they were lying about, especially when they plan to rewrite the (tax) rules for the rest of us.

But I guess that's just me.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 05:04 AM | Reply

" Preeeetty sure I said it was an outrage, but you can scroll up yourself."

Preeeety sure the outrage you referred to was someone else's, not yours. Scroll up if needed.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 05:06 AM | Reply

Preeeety sure the outrage you referred to was someone else's, not yours. Scroll up if needed. - #60 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 05:06 AM
Hmm...I can see how it could be read that way. So here's a straight answer: Yes, I am angered by anyone in government who enacts or changes laws with the intention to benefit themselves or those who pay them. It is not alright with me. Clear enough?

#61 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-21 06:41 AM | Reply

Here's a point you seem to be unable to comprehend, you don't know what is in those returns so you don't know what effect their revelation would cause.

#36 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-04-20 01:17 PM | REPLY

I can read a poll. It doesn't matter what is in his taxes. He won because Hillary failed to sell globalism to key districts which cost her entire states. "It's the economy, stupid."

#62 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-21 07:49 AM | Reply

#62

He also won because he lied.

We can't have a crook or a traitor in office. The war you're waging against common sense hurts the country.

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 07:56 AM | Reply

#63 goes double for AVIGDORE.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 08:00 AM | Reply

He also won because he lied. We can't have a crook or a traitor in office. The war you're waging against common sense hurts the country. -#63 | Posted by
Zed at 2017-04-21 07:56 AM

Yes, we have a liar in the office of the President. That would be true regardless of which major party candidate won the election last November. It was also true last November. And 8 Novembers ago. Hell, can you point to any president at any point in our past who hasn't lied?

There is a process for removing crooks or traitors in office. It's spelled out in the Constitution. Why are you so opposed to what's in the Constitution? It's not common sense that I'm waging war on...well, maybe if you mean in the 'common sense legislation' new version of common sense. I'm telling you that as bad as Trump is, he still has rights. As bad as murderers are, they still have rights. Just because you really, really hate someone, it doesn't give you an ok to violate those rights. That's common sense, Zed.

#65 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-21 08:26 AM | Reply

" Yes, I am angered by anyone in government who enacts or changes laws with the intention to benefit themselves or those who pay them. It is not alright with me. Clear enough?"

That depends: are you angered enough to demand to see the taxes of the guy who wants to rewrite the tax code, or not?

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It doesn't matter what is in his taxes."

You mean to America in general, simply because he won the electoral college.

But how about you? Does it to you? Does it matter if your President wants to rewrite the tax code to greatly benefit himself in the billions, while telling you you're getting a huge tax cut you're not getting?

I've asked this in other threads: do you make deals like this in real life?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 09:54 AM | Reply

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) argued on Tuesday that "the issue is not over""

Warren doesn't seem to get it. If he can't be removed from office for not releasing his tax returns then the issue IS over. He obviously doesn't care about failing to deliver on campaign promises as he breaks those promises daily.

#68 | Posted by Sully at 2017-04-21 09:57 AM | Reply

"True! Those parts are well codified in the laws and regulations surrounding the office of the President. But Tax returns aren't part of it."

I understand that it's not a legal requirement and I can't compel him, legally, to provide them.

But that doesn't change the fact it's a material and substantial issue to me.

There are many many issues important to me that aren't legal requirements to meet but I think are still very relevant.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 10:11 AM | Reply

#68

Donald's taxes can be subpoenaed. That he can be removed from office based upon public outrage because of them is possible. At any rate, we need to know.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 10:13 AM | Reply

#65

I'll give any man his rights. I'm one of those who stand for the American ideal, unlike Donald Trump.

When he's eventually hung, I want it said he was given the best Constitutional and other legal protection right up to the noose.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 10:18 AM | Reply

Donald's taxes can be subpoenaed. That he can be removed from office based upon public outrage because of them is possible. At any rate, we need to know.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Trump is proving anything, it is that "public outrage" is not nearly as powerful as outrage industry thought it was.

If his betrayal of economic promises didn't bring out the torches and pitchforks, this certianly isn't going to.

#72 | Posted by Sully at 2017-04-21 10:18 AM | Reply

When he's eventually hung, I want it said he was given the best Constitutional and other legal protection right up to the noose.

#71 | Posted by Zed

There's "Christian" Zed, once again fantasizing about the execution of an American president. What a sicko.

#73 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-21 10:30 AM | Reply

Donald's taxes are the means to see how close he is to the Mob, and by extension who he has been laundering money for.
You're a smart guy, you know all this. But you're also not much of a citizen.

#15 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-04-20 09:49 AM | FLAG:

Once again, how would his tax returns reveal if he had ties to the mob and if he is laundering money? This is idiotic and who ever is feeding this to you is even a bigger idiot and that is saying something.

#74 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-21 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" This is idiotic and who ever is feeding this to you is even a bigger idiot and that is saying something."

What is idiotic is your defending someone who is President of the United States that refuses to do what every Presdidential candidate has done for the last 50 years.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2017-04-21 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That depends: are you angered enough to demand to see the taxes of the guy who wants to rewrite the tax code, or not? -#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 09:48 AM
I'm not sure how far you can look back through my comments by clicking my ID, but I did think that people should not vote for him prior to his releasing his tax records. Enough of them chose to do so. The time for those demands has passed. There will be another time to withhold your vote in about 4 years.

But how about you? Does it to you? Does it matter if your President wants to rewrite the tax code to greatly benefit himself in the billions, while telling you you're getting a huge tax cut you're not getting? I've asked this in other threads: do you make deals like this in real life?- #67 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 09:54 AM
It doesn't matter in that it wouldn't affect my vote, but informing others may affect whether they vote for him in the future. Are you asking if it matters to my that the President lies? Honestly, I'm used to it. Our Presidents lie to us. His lies won't affect who I vote for come 2020, though. Do I make deals in real life? The only power I possess is my vote and speaking to my representatives. The only deals I can make is who I vote for, and what I communicate with those representatives.

I understand that it's not a legal requirement and I can't compel him, legally, to provide them. But that doesn't change the fact it's a material and substantial issue to me. - #69 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 10:11 AM
I get you 100% on those things. There are steps that can be made to accomplish it. Some states are going forward with
legislation that will require anyone on the ballot to have released their tax returns. I'm not sure it will fly with the Supreme Court, but it is a good start. Have you contacted your representatives to have them push for/vote for such legislation? It still will not make ok the cheers of victory that will result when his tax info is leaked.

As an aside, I think it will be hilarious if California and New York DO require that legislation and have a HUGE turn-out, Trump doesn't release the Tax info, and still wins the EC after losing the popular vote by maybe 15million votes or so. It will put the whole popular vote in a much more 'participation trophy' light.

#76 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-21 11:09 AM | Reply

"Have you contacted your representatives to have them push for/vote for such legislation?"

good point.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 11:11 AM | Reply

If Donald is a felon, I want him in jail. If he's a traitor, jail is the very least he needs.

Once again, a tremendous lot of verbiage to defend the indefensible.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 11:30 AM | Reply

Well, I can't say Trump doesn't deserve this after his crusade on Obama's birth certificate. However, the difference here is that being an American citizen is MANDATORY to being POTUS so you should have to prove it immediately. Releasing tax records is not even mentioned in any legality of POTUS criteria. So, Trump's crusade was at least relevant to Obama's position even if it was a circus act. This crusade against Donald is just because Dems like to discriminate against people they don't like.

#79 | Posted by humtake at 2017-04-21 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77

I've tried to contact my Republican Congressman about Donald's taxes. The wretched coward is in hiding.

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 11:32 AM | Reply

#79

You don't have ordinary, and expected, American values​. People who do are a mystery to you.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 11:35 AM | Reply

" This is idiotic and who ever is feeding this to you is even a bigger idiot and that is saying something."
What is idiotic is your defending someone who is President of the United States that refuses to do what every Presdidential candidate has done for the last 50 years.

#75 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-04-21 11:04 AM | FLAG:

Read the post idiot, I'm not defending Trump for not releasing his returns, I wish he would, my post is to Zed and the others who say that his tax returns would show that he is connected to the Mob and is laundering money.

#82 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-21 11:37 AM | Reply

"I've tried to contact my Republican Congressman about Donald's taxes. The wretched coward is in hiding."

I have a new one....but I am good friends with the old one...but I will contact the new one and see if he has the courage to respond.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-21 11:40 AM | Reply

#82

Read my posts, or almost anything, really. Donald's taxes are a good place for an investigation into his Mob ties to start.

Everyone knows that Donald already has Mob ties. The interesting and necessary question is how deeply he into them for.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-21 11:41 AM | Reply

And for about the 100th time, which tax form would show the ties? Let me help you out here, maybe if you had P&Ls for each of his properties and businesses going back to their inception and filings from anyone who invested in his projects you might be able to come up with something that might look suspect enough to investigate further. Tax returns basically show the end result of those P&Ls not what the P&Ls were based on.

#85 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-21 12:45 PM | Reply

The time to see his tax returns was before the election.

Democrats (rightly IMO) made a big issue out of it during the campaign.

Voters apparently didn't care.

It's not unlike Republicans harping on Obama's college transcripts. I would have liked to have seen them, but once he got elected it no longer mattered. By the time he ran for re-election it was completely irrelevant. By that time we were 4 years-in and knew what kind of president he was - we knew what we were voting for, or against.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-04-21 01:11 PM | Reply

"And for about the 100th time, which tax form would show the ties? "

K-1s, for one.

"Tax returns basically show the end result of those P&Ls not what the P&Ls were based on."

How many tax returns do you read in an average year?

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 01:12 PM | Reply

"The time to see his tax returns was before the election."

Why wouldn't it be when he wants to rewrite the tax code for his own benefit?

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 01:13 PM | Reply

Why wouldn't it be when he wants to rewrite the tax code for his own benefit? - #88 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 01:13 PM
Honestly? Because enough of the American voters already decided to give him the power to sign on laws adjusting the tax code.

#89 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-21 01:20 PM | Reply

"Because enough of the American voters already decided to give him the power to sign on laws adjusting the tax code."

Nonsense. The guy didn't even get a majority of the votes.

If he's going to rewrite the tax code, he's going to show his taxes. No so-called "reform", without seeing if that definition means lining his pockets while decimating the rest of us. Simple as it comes.

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

K-1s, for one.
"Tax returns basically show the end result of those P&Ls not what the P&Ls were based on."
How many tax returns do you read in an average year?#87 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2017-04-21 01:12 PM | REPLY

K-1s would most likely show income to an LLC, how would it show if someone is laundering money or if he has ties to the mob unless it shows that one of his partners is Tony Soprano?

I work in Commercial Real Estate investment. When someone is claiming a property is netting a certain return we need the tax returns to varify along with other documents so yes I see a lot of returns relating to real estate.

#91 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-21 01:28 PM | Reply

Three of my investment generate a K-1, 'But there's nothing dirty going on' ;)

Ref: "A Lil' Ole Bitty Pissant Country Place"

#92 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-04-21 01:40 PM | Reply

"K-1s would most likely show income to an LLC"

No, not most likely. Most K-1 flow to the 1040 and show up on line 17.

"how would it show if someone is laundering money"

Who claimed it would? It would simply list the partnerships, which might be interesting.

Again, if he's going to rewrite the tax code, but he's not willing to show how much he'll benefit, that's a non-starter. I was promised a "huge" tax cut; my guess is he's lying, again.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-04-21 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#89 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

A significant majority of Americans STILL want to see Trump's taxes. Since he works for all of us (though I'm pretty sure that's not how he sees it) shouldn't he oblige?

thehill.com

Colorado is attempting to pass a law such that a Presidential candidate may not be on the ballot without releasing their tax records.

www.coloradoindependent.com

I hope a number states get it done by 2020.

#94 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-04-21 02:02 PM | Reply

#93 Donald's taxes are the means to see how close he is to the Mob, and by extension who he has been laundering money for.
You're a smart guy, you know all this. But you're also not much of a citizen.
#15 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-04-20 09:49 AM | FLAG:

#95 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-04-21 02:17 PM | Reply

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:45 PM
#55 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:46 PM
#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:47 PM
#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:47 PM
#58 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-20 10:52 PM
Someone as thin-skinned as Trump.

What are the odds?

#96 | Posted by Hans at 2017-04-21 02:51 PM | Reply

@#96 | Posted by Hans at 2017-04-21 02:51 PM
I typed them all up as 1 reply, but exceeded the post size limit of 4000 characters. So copy, cut, paste and posted them to each individual. I honestly thought I'd lost the whole batch when it said it had exceeded and 'press here to go back'...

#97 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-04-21 05:48 PM | Reply

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