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Monday, April 17, 2017

Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta warned Friday that the strong rhetoric coming from President Donald Trump's administration toward North Korea could escalate tensions. "The words from the administration are creating even higher volume in terms of the provocations that are going on. I think we have got to be careful here," Panetta told NBC News' Andrea Mitchell. "There is a reason no U.S. president in recent history has pulled the trigger on North Korea. ... We have the potential for a nuclear war that would take millions of lives."

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The nation's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper said North Korea was prepared to respond to any aggression by the United States.

"Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theater but also in the U.S. mainland," it said.

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Our madman is playing nuclear chicken with their madman

#1 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-17 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

' "I think we have got to be careful here," Panetta told NBC '

Then we're all pretty much screwed, aren't we?

If Donald Trump has a major war with North Korea in his first 100 days of office, perhaps we can return to those mentally ill allegations with renewed seriousness.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-17 01:09 PM | Reply

I don't think too many people out there realize it, but Panetta is right. This could easily go atomic. Anyway who believes that posturing never results in actual conflict is a fool.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-04-17 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Panetta is an appeasement monkey who would gamble with American lives rather than take out Comrade Kim's nukes before it's too late. Fortunately, he's not in charge.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-17 01:19 PM | Reply

#4 Panetta is an appeasement monkey who would gamble with American lives rather than take out Comrade Kim's nukes before it's too late. Fortunately, he's not in charge.

#4 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Fortunately, you are not in charge.

#5 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-04-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The people who suggest we "take out" NKs nukes need to tell the world how to do that. Their nuclear facility is deep underground. They aren't anywhere we can get to them. They learned that from us.

In addition you have to be truly daft if you believe for a second that China will allow that to happen without a response.

Trump seems to be using the playground bully mentality. He sees USA as the big kid that can bully NK the little kid. That doesn't work for four reasons.

1) NK is a little kid but they have a big kid (China) backing them up.
2) If NK decides to give the bully a black eye on the playground it means US Servicemen die
3) While NK has not successfully been able to launch a rocket that can carry a nuke to the US mainland, If we do more than bluff they have several targets in range and wont just sit back and take a punch without retaliating
4) Did I mention NK's leader is crazy? If he senses he is being cornered he may just push the button nobody else would

#6 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-17 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The people who suggest we "take out" NKs nukes need to tell the world how to do that. Their nuclear facility is deep underground. They aren't anywhere we can get to them. They learned that from us.

#6 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Trump has a plan. It's secret though. Therefore, we can all relax and leave this in his bigly hands, right Nulli?

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-04-17 01:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It is true that Trump is an idiot who can't be trusted to handle the sitaution well and that he could easily screw up bad enough to get us involved in a war with a nuclear power.

It is also true that North Korea constantly threatens to nuke us anyway. And it is true that by paying NK off for all these years, our past leaders have taught NK that casually ratcheting up nuclear tentions pays off. The longer we let the status quo drag on, the more likely it is that eventually NK follow up on their threats.

I'm not against breaking the cycle of pissant NK extracting tribute from us through the threat of nuclear violence. But if we waited until we had someone more competent in office before addressing the issue, I'd be happy with that.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2017-04-17 01:45 PM | Reply

I don't think fat kimmy is ever going to get sane. Somehow SK needs to make nice with his successor to avoid war.
The scary part is Donny is a sociopath and might decide a Korea war that kills millions would be good for him.
I would not want to be stationed in SK right now.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2017-04-17 01:50 PM | Reply

Trump on nukes: "Why do we make them if we're never going to use them?"

#10 | Posted by cbob at 2017-04-17 02:01 PM | Reply

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Just as an aside, we are budgeting $33 Billion a year for a 30 year project to upgrade our nuclear capability. That's right $1 TRILLION over the next 30 years on weapons we don't need and will never use. That's $7500 for every child born in America for the next 30 years.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-17 02:29 PM | Reply


www.nationalreview.com

...Indeed, the trajectory and altitude of North Korea's last satellite orbited three years ago, the KSM-3, could have evaded detection by U.S. missile-tracking radars in its initial orbit and evaded interception by our National Missile Defense, exposing the 48 contiguous United States to an existential EMP attack.

Last year, Admiral William Gortney, commander of North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD), acknowledged the nuclear-missile threat from North Korea:

- On April 7, 2015, he warned that North Korea has mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) called KN-08, armed with nuclear warheads, that can strike the U.S. mainland. He revealed that critical assets hardened against EMP are moving back into an underground command post inside Cheyenne Mountain at a cost of $700 million.

- On October 8, 2015, he warned the Atlantic Council: I agree with the intelligence community that we assess that they [the North Koreans] have the ability, they have the weapons, and they have the ability to miniaturize those weapons, and they have the ability to put them on a rocket that can range the [U.S.] homeland.

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-04-17 03:51 PM | Reply

Every country should be dealing with NK, especially their neighbors.

Then again, this is true with Europe, Asia, the Middle East.

It is not our job or responsibility.

There is a reason the UN was created - unfortunately, it was to tell the US it's our problem and we believe it.

#13 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-04-17 04:02 PM | Reply

we didn't go to the aid of SK because the UN told us to. The UN recognized SK and declared the NK the aggressor because we told the UN to and organized the "election" where we chose who was allowed to vote. USSR created their own government led by grandpa Kim. The war happened when we left South Korea with nothing but small arms and Stalin saw the South as an easy target. They almost won before we came back to "police" the situation dragging the UN with us.

#14 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-17 04:39 PM | Reply

Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles are all less than 6,000 miles from Pyongyang. If Li'l Kim has a staged ICBM that we don't know about, our genius foreign policy president and his team of student statesmen could well talk themselves into a big flash. But hey, California didn't go Trump's way in the election, and as he as already said "the election is over". So, too, could be life as millions of Americans know it...

#15 | Posted by catdog at 2017-04-17 04:45 PM | Reply

@#15 ... If Li'l Kim has a staged ICBM that we don't know about, ...

What do you mean, "if"...

From my message #12, above ...

...
Admiral William Gortney, commander of North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD), acknowledged the nuclear-missile threat from North Korea:

- On April 7, 2015, he warned that North Korea has mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) called KN-08, armed with nuclear warheads, that can strike the U.S. mainland....

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-04-17 04:52 PM | Reply

A KN-08 takes over an hour to prep for launch. Long before it is even in place to begin prepping for launch, recon drones from our bases in Japan, Satelites tasked to monitoring NK, and WC-135 phoenix aircraft are among the small armada of spy planes tasked to detect the presence of a missile being readied for deployment. any deployment can be evaluated for threat and monitored. We usually know how their test fared as quick or quicker than they do

#17 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-17 05:47 PM | Reply

Total number of successful KN-08 test launches: 0

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-17 06:00 PM | Reply

Total number of successful KN-08 test launches: 0

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-17 06:00 PM | Reply

Get an old DC-3 or suchlike. Install primitive atom bomb and extra fuel. Take of quietly in the dead of night. Take a lazy, circuitous route. Detonate over Kaui. Or Oahu.

Two fat madmen pissing in each other's direction.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-17 07:06 PM | Reply


@#18 Total number of successful KN-08 test launches: 0

Yup. But, as the saying goes, it only takes one successful launch.

On the other hand, within the range of the NK missiles that do work, it is a target-rich environment, with many US citizens at risk.

My concern is that Chmn Kim may feel as if he is cornered, thinking the US is out to get him. Chmn Kim does not have the level of experience as his father did when his father become Chairman. He, like Pres Trump, is learning on the job.

His snubbing of the senior Chinese diplomats earlier this month was a bit of a surprise to me. If he starts thinking that China is not on his side then, imo, all bets are off. He may then feel he's got nothing to lose.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-04-17 07:08 PM | Reply

Get an old DC-3 or suchlike. Install primitive atom bomb and extra fuel. Take of quietly in the dead of night. Take a lazy, circuitous route. Detonate over Kaui. Or Oahu.

Master strategist at work.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-04-17 07:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I do believe that we should do a 'John Wayne' and let them have the first punch before we lower the boom. Of course then much of the 'Left Coast' could be lost, but hey, at least we will have the moral high ground ;)

#22 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-04-17 07:55 PM | Reply

- Of course then much of the 'Left Coast' could be lost,

Who has convinced you of such nonsense?

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-04-17 08:01 PM | Reply

#21

Tactician.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-17 09:23 PM | Reply

Ok, you suck at tactics as well. :-)

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-04-17 09:25 PM | Reply

#25

😀

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-17 09:39 PM | Reply

Yup. But, as the saying goes, it only takes one successful launch.

#20 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2017-04-17 07:08 PM | REPLY

That's not a saying.

It takes multiple launches to validate a design. They also have to demonstrate a warhead that can survive re-entry. They have done neither.

They do have H-6 bombers, and to get to Hawaii all they have to do is figure out how to increase the range 450%.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-18 07:37 AM | Reply

Because at night planes don't show up on radar and nobody would notice a DC-3 flying out of korea and aimlesly wandering around the pacific. Dc-3s do that all the time, nothing unusual about it, right?

#28 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-18 09:52 AM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-04-17 08:01 PM | REPLY: Try reading up about what would happen if they set off a bomb high in the atmosphere for an EMP effect over the west coast.

Also, notice my ;) as I am totally insincere/being satirical when it comes to allowing ourselves to take the first 'blow' with nukes.

#29 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-04-18 11:43 AM | Reply

Because at night planes don't show up on radar and nobody would notice a DC-3 flying out of korea and aimlesly wandering around the pacific. Dc-3s do that all the time, nothing unusual about it, right?

#28 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017

Good points all. The point I was making is that ICBMs aren't needed for nuclear delivery.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2017-04-18 12:13 PM | Reply

Trump is just the kind of insane that might just be ok with letting the west coast burn as long as he is safe and comfy far away in Mir-a-logo. As long as none of his hotels were burning I don't think it would cause him any grief

#31 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-04-18 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That can't be possible. Because under the Obama administration, NK promised to stop their nuclear weapons program. Right about the time Iran did the same. Oh--and also Syria agreed to give up their chemical weapons.

You sayin' now we were lied to? Syria didn't give up chemical weapons? NK continued to build nukes?

Gee. This is my shocked face.

#32 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-04-19 01:08 AM | Reply

Clinton, I mean.

#33 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-04-19 01:12 AM | Reply

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