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Saturday, April 15, 2017

The recent Palm Sunday bombings at two Egyptian churches that killed 44 worshippers and wounded more than 100 others are the latest in a spate of deadly attacks targeting the world's Christians.

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Some of the more violent attacks on Christians include: terror groups in Nigeria taking out the eyes of Christians before butchering them; a mob of Muslim worshippers in Uganda -- mad over conversion efforts -- entering a church and beating parishioners and raping at least a dozen women; and the numerous bombings of Coptic churches in Egypt.

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"Christians most persecuted group in the world as vicious attacks grow"

This is sadly true, But not here in America, being a Christian in the U.S. is great and I thank God I live in a place that I can be a Catholic and not be killed.

So lets make sure that other people of other faiths can worship here
and not fear terrorism or being murdered for their faith.

lets make sure other minorities also can live in peace such as LBGT

with out fear of injury or death because of who they are.

Love not hate.

Christ peace and love be with us this Easter.

and love and peace be with those of other faith.

#1 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-04-15 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It bothers me that religionists need an occasion or a holiday to remind you of the importance of being a human.

Christians need to be reminded 2 or three times a year that you are SUPPOSED to be loving. And yes, love applies in war and business too!

Jews need it to confirm who is still a member but more importantly, WHO IS NOT!

Muslims need it to remind themselves that 'yes, this is actually what we believe. It's imperfect, but at least we ain't Jews and the Christians.'

Hindus say, 'what's all the fuss, just consult a different god...wanna borrow one of ours? Here, have one of my un-used gods, Pete, the god of stylish haircuts.'

Buddhists say (laughing hysterically) 'we love watching children at play'.



#2 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-04-16 05:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe if they would stop persecuting others they wouldn't be "persecuted".

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-04-16 06:48 AM | Reply

Did anyone drop a MOAB on them?

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 06:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe if they would stop persecuting others they wouldn't be "persecuted".

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr

Maybe you are looking at the wrong ones doing the persecuting.

Nice taking the focus off the topic of this thread. Go ahead and ignore that Muslims are persecuting Christians all over the world and killing them.

There is no peace with those who only want their own type of peace.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2017-04-16 07:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe you are looking at the wrong ones doing the persecuting.

Nice taking the focus off the topic of this thread. Go ahead and ignore that Muslims are persecuting Christians all over the world and killing them.

There is no peace with those who only want their own type of peace.

Posted by boaz at 2017-04-16 07:23 AM | Reply

Oh puhlease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're bombing the wazoo out of the middle east and you sanctimoniously declare Muslims are the problem. Unfreaking believable. What are they supposed to do lay down and take it without retaliation???

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-04-16 07:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

There is no peace with those who only want their own type of peace.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

you never see the irony in these kinds of ideas.

#7 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-04-16 07:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Maybe if they would stop persecuting others they wouldn't be "persecuted".

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-04-16

Who did the Christians in Egypt that was killed when their church got blown up persecuted?

#8 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-04-16 09:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We're bombing the wazoo out of the middle east and you sanctimoniously declare Muslims are the problem. Unfreaking believable. What are they supposed to do lay down and take it without retaliation???

You act like we are bombing for no reason. You act like Muslims are doing nothing and the big bad Americans (along with the rest of the civilized world) are just picking on these peaceful muslims for no reason.

Laura, you are an idiot. Talk about arguing against your own best interests.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2017-04-16 09:45 AM | Reply

Boaz, there really is no solution to the warped mindset you possess. I am sad for you and most of the people in this country.

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 10:08 AM | Reply

Christians are not the world's most persecuted group -- even if you only count Islamist attacks.

The people Islamists kill the most are Muslims.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-16 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"willing to bet the safety of innocents here in the U.S. to an ideology that has proven not to be compatible with western values."

Second Amendment makes the same bet.
And you LOOOOOOVE it.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-04-16 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I refuse to sacrifice my children's safety for your wish to be inclusive to the most anti inclusive ideology on the planet.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No, but you are willing to kill scores of innocent children on the slight chance that they might grow up to hate you.

Just one thing to remember, we started this fight. No one asked the West to steal their oil and dispose of their leaders.

#15 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 01:37 PM | Reply

What's so odd about Boaz is he believes Only The Strong Survive.
Then when Christians die he gets mad about it.
You're getting mad at the natural order of things, Boaz.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-04-16 02:17 PM | Reply

Just one thing to remember, we started this fight. No one asked the West to steal their oil and dispose of their leaders.

So much stupid in this sentence...

And we didn't start this. And show me exactly who's oil we "steal"...

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2017-04-16 03:47 PM | Reply

You act like we are bombing for no reason. You act like Muslims are doing nothing and the big bad Americans (along with the rest of the civilized world) are just picking on these peaceful muslims for no reason.

We aren't there in the Middle East for defensive reasons. We are there because the powers that be are covetous and want their natural resources IE oil. NOTHING more.

Laura, you are an idiot. Talk about arguing against your own best interests.

Hey I'm not the one advocating making MORE enemies than we quash with our arrogant ways. That would be You hunny.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2017-04-16 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-04-16 03:59 PM | Reply

"And we didn't start this."

When did it start?
Shores of Tripoli?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-04-16 04:22 PM | Reply

The slaughter of Christians is terrible, horrible, blood is running in the streets, it has never been this bad. Trump does nothing but golf, he doesn't care. SAD!

#20 | Posted by bored at 2017-04-16 04:33 PM | Reply

And we didn't start this. And show me exactly who's oil we "steal"...
#17 | POSTED BY BOAz

Wow, and you have a college degree? Obviously not in history.
The west didn't execute coups and support dictators? Didn't we overthrow Democratically elected leaders? England didn't take over huge regions and draw national boundaries based on their own needs?
Please, I know you must be much more intelligent than that.

#21 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 06:06 PM | Reply

When did it start?
#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A rather complex question that I admit I am not educated enough to give a perfect answer. In my opinion, it started when the CIA began ------- with the governments and leaders of Middle East countries in order to line the pockets of oil companies.

#22 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 06:10 PM | Reply

You act like we are bombing for no reason.

We are.

Even if you blame Afghanistan (instead of Saudi Arabia) for 9/11.

We are bombing Iraq Syria Libya Yemen... for no reason.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-16 06:39 PM | Reply

And we didn't start this.
#17 | POSTED BY BOAZ

How many centuries are we to go back?

If in the 20th century.

We completely started this.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-16 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We completely started this.
#24 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

No, I would say when Muslims (ottoman empire) attacked US trade ships is when it started IMO. Causing Congress to create the US Navy. Good book called the Six Frigates.
en.wikipedia.org

Book ..
www.amazon.com

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-04-16 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25

That's not in the 20th century.

It's not the Ottoman Empire, as you claimed.

From your link: "these were nominal provinces of the Ottoman Empire, but in practice autonomous: Tripoli, Algiers, and Tunis."

It was pirates.

You're straining to have a point.

But you don't.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-16 07:53 PM | Reply

There is no peace with those who only want their own type of peace.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

This from the guy who wants things in the US his way or the Mad Max way.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2017-04-16 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You act like we are bombing for no reason. You act like Muslims are doing nothing and the big bad Americans (along with the rest of the civilized world) are just picking on these peaceful muslims for no reason.
Laura, you are an idiot. Talk about arguing against your own best interests.

#10 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're right, we are bombing them for a reason.

Economics and greed. So I guess that's actually two reasons.

Not what you were expecting, I assume?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2017-04-16 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And we didn't start this. And show me exactly who's oil we "steal"...

#17 | POSTED BY BOAZ

When do you think this started, boaz? The 70's? 9/11?

How about during the early 20th century into the mid-20th century when colonial powers divvied up the middle east for economic reasons without regard to local tribal boundaries or alliances/interactions? You think they'd just go along because the West said so, particularly after the creation of Israel?

Yes, "we" started it. And we've been maintaining it by force for decades because fools like you are all about beating their chests in faux machoism mixed with this weirdly pathetic whininess.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2017-04-16 10:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It was pirates.

#26 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-04-16 07:53 PM | FLAG:

State sanctioned pirates, like privateers.

Anyways, real US involvement in the ME began in the mid 30s with oil partnerships with Ibn Saud, fresh off his conquest of what we now call Saudi Arabia.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-17 09:38 AM | Reply

That's pre-CIA. It all stems from oil demand created by WW1 and the strategic necessity of it.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-04-17 09:38 AM | Reply

Christians are not the world's most persecuted group -- even if you only count Islamist attacks.

The people Islamists kill the most are Muslims.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-16 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

So if Christian sects were to start killing each other in greater numbers then "Christians" in general would be more "persecuted"?

I don't think that criteria makes sense.

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2017-04-17 09:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Christians don't persecute Muslims...

They find legal loopholes to kill and maim them in the name of freedom and liberty.

Just ask George W. Bush.

#33 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2017-04-17 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In other news from the world of eternal victimization-- Attacks on innocent Israelis by bloodthirsty Muslims have skyrocketed since 1948...

#34 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2017-04-17 04:36 PM | Reply

Jesus: turn the other cheek

Christians: wtf?

#35 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-04-17 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Christianity was, once upon a time, the most vicious, most vile, most intolerant political movement on the planet. Any society that had the ability to do so should have reasonably been expected to wipe it off the face of the planet. But somewhere along the way Christianity grew up, and Islam replaced it as the vile and vicious movement of the day.

Islam will grow up, eventually. Painfully. But it will someday become a religion.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-17 08:23 PM | Reply

#32
of course it makes sense, it doesn't matter who is doing the persecuting.

#37 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-04-18 03:29 AM | Reply

But somewhere along the way Christianity grew up,

Did Christianity "grow up" when it was blowing people in Ireland? When they firebomb and blow up health clinics? When they assassinate OB/GYN's in their own kitchen?

United States[edit]

Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a Reconstructionist or Dominionist ideology.[104] Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a prerequisite for the second coming of Christ.[105] Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[106][107][108] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[109] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[110][111]

Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[112]

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[113]

#38 | Posted by 726 at 2017-04-18 03:00 PM | Reply

In 1996 three men -- Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle -- were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.[114]

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the United States Department of Homeland Security said that the Hutaree Christian militia movement possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the September 11 attacks.[115]

In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in Delaware County, New York.[116] Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an M4 carbine with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun, molotov cocktails and a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds".[117] Doggart had previously travelled to a site in Dover, Tennessee described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April plea bargain stating he had "willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat" to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[118][119] Doggart stood as an independent candidate in Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[120] None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[121][122][123][124]

The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[125] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[126] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[127][128] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work".[129] Deer's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

Persecuted? Persecutors. Your thread proves only that you are blind to the persecution Christians practice in the name of God.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2017-04-18 03:00 PM | Reply

"Did Christianity "grow up" when it was blowing people in Ireland? When they firebomb and blow up health clinics? When they assassinate OB/GYN's in their own kitchen?"

You're right. That's totally the same as tens of thousands of committed combatants forming an army with the intent of establishing a political system based on religious teachings.

You're seriously going to try and compare the random lone nut to ISIS, Al Quaeda, or even those more moderate Muslims who may not agree with chopping off the heads of everyone they disagree with, but staunchly support the dissolution of secular society in favor of one governed by Islamic law-even for those who aren't followers of Islam? Do you really see them as being comparable? If so, I think you've been blinded by your commitment to your own ideology.

And it's silly comparisons like the one you provided above that end credibility to the notion that Christians are being persecuted. When Armies of Christians are taking over cities, destroying any cultural heritage they disagree with, and executing anyone they don't like in the name of establishing a Christian empire, do get back to me. I think it's been a few years since that has happened.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-18 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

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