Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, March 20, 2017

One of the central themes of Donald Trump's presidential campaign was to not only build a border wall, but to make Mexico pay for it. The claim didn't just become an applause line for Trump on the campaign trail, it was a call-and-response rallying cry.

But the Trump budget proposals revealed late Wednesday include $4.1 billion for the wall. Reuters reported that Trump was asking for $1.5 billion for the current fiscal year and another $2.6 billion for the 2018 budget year, which begins Oct. 1.

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The money will come from U.S. taxpayers and not Mexico, which has made it clear that it's not paying for the wall.

Earlier this year, Trump backed off his campaign promise and admitted that Americans would end up footing the bill, but claimed Mexico would "reimburse us for the cost of the wall."

A report from the Department of Homeland Security estimated that the cost of the wall would be far higher than what Trump had promised on the campaign trail. Trump has said the wall would cost $12 billion, but Homeland Security estimated it would cost $21.6 billion and take three years to construct.

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Sorry senior citizens, we can't afford for you to eat and build the wall and play golf every weekend in Florida. But see, my budget director doesn't have business cards. See the sacrifices that we go through?

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-20 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Finally, my tax dollars will be going to something both non-controversial and a expansion of government which I wholeheartedly support.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-20 11:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 4

Finally, my tax dollars will be going to something both non-controversial and a expansion of government which I wholeheartedly support.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017

Still not realizing the dimensions of your idiocy, are you?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-20 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

The real scary thing is that these idiots think a wall is going to keep them safer than a fully funded and properly functioning CDC.

#4 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 11:45 AM | Reply

Finally. At least now our beloved immigrants trying to enter this beautiful country "legally", can soon be processed in a more efficient manner. Now, if we could just do something about employers hiring "illegals" at suppressed wages we'll be golden.

#5 | Posted by Daniel at 2017-03-20 11:53 AM | Reply

I try to make it a point to not deal with liars so I have a question.

Is "Mexico will pay for the wall" 1 lie or is it a lie every time it was told?

#6 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 12:00 PM | Reply

There are many ways Mexico will pay for the wall and they will have no say in it.

#7 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-20 12:19 PM | Reply

I think this is #7:

twitter.com

#8 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 12:29 PM | Reply

Trump's crackdown focuses on people in the U.S. illegally – but not on the businesses that hire them

www.latimes.com

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-20 12:29 PM | Reply

I think this is #7:
twitter.com

#8 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT

Whoops.

This is #7:

youtu.be

#10 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 12:30 PM | Reply

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"Is "Mexico will pay for the wall" 1 lie or is it a lie every time it was told?"

Entirely dependent on the IQ of the person saying it. Most of the Trumpeters weren't lying they are just stupid. A few were lying though.
Gotta say too, that cutting funds for the Coast Guard sure makes sense when you build a wall and they decide to come here by water.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-20 12:33 PM | Reply

"Trump's crackdown focuses on people in the U.S. illegally – but not on the businesses that hire them"

Because those are, for the most part, reliable Republican voters and contributors too.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-20 12:34 PM | Reply

#7

Out of pure curiosity, name a couple?

#13 | Posted by Lohocla at 2017-03-20 12:35 PM | Reply

Out of pure curiosity, name a couple?

#13 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA AT

Here is a video of #7 discussing a topic he knows a bit more about and is more comfortable with:

youtu.be

#14 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 12:39 PM | Reply

Out of pure curiosity, name a couple?
#13 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA AT
Here is a video of #7 discussing a topic he knows a bit more about and is more comfortable with:
youtu.be
#14 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT

Whoops.

Wrong link.

Again...

youtu.be

#15 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 12:41 PM | Reply

Why all the upset about providing funding for a project passed into law way back in 2006?

#16 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-03-20 12:59 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Maybe because Trump's plan costs five times as much and he blatantly lied about Mexico paying for it?

#17 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2017-03-20 01:14 PM | Reply

Maybe because Trump's plan costs five times as much and he blatantly lied about Mexico paying for it?

#17 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR AT

SSSSSSHHHHHHHH.

It's still real to #16, too..

#18 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 01:19 PM | Reply

There are many ways Mexico will pay for the wall and they will have no say in it.
#7 | POSTED BY BLAKE914 AT 2017-03-20 12:19 PM | REPLY

Name one. I dare you.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 01:31 PM | Reply

#19 Magic unicorns and rainbows.

It is cute that the maroons think illegal immigration will end once the wall is built.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-20 02:38 PM | Reply

Democrats would be opposed to the wall if it was free; if Gandalf waved his magic wand and made it appear overnight.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-03-20 02:52 PM | Reply

#21

Still believes in magic wands.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-20 02:53 PM | Reply

#22 Still believes she's coming out of the woods to save him.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-20 02:57 PM | Reply

"Democrats would be opposed to the wall if it was free"

Republicans are opposed to health care if it was free.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-20 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Name one. I dare you.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-03-20 01:31 PM

1. Tax remittances to Mexico:

Mexico's biggest cash cow is under threat from President Donald Trump.

The country's largest source of cash comes from Mexicans living in the United States. That is now under the microscope after Trump issued an executive order Wednesday to start building a wall on the border.

Remittances were likely a top issue on the table when Mexico's top ministers met with Trump's advisers in Washington Wednesday. Trump and Pena Nieto are scheduled to meet on January 31.

Between January and November of 2016, $24.6 billion flowed back to the pockets of Mexicans from friends and relatives living overseas, according to Mexico's central bank.

That's even higher than what Mexico earns from its oil exports -- $23.2 billion in 2015. And almost all of that cash comes from the U.S.

Trump threatens Mexico's biggest cash source

It's coming and given the volume even people trying to mail it or send it with relatives/friends won't slow down the convenience of wiring it, even a 5% tax will bring in $1.15B a year from Mexico alone...a total of $582B was remitted worldwide from the US in 2015, so 5% of that is $25B in tax income.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 03:13 PM | Reply

Trump threatens Mexico's biggest cash source

#25 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT

And there you have it.

In right wing fantasy land nothing goes the other way across the border...

#26 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 03:19 PM | Reply

#26

Wow, that was a retarded over-generalization that provided nothing of substance to the conversation.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 03:29 PM | Reply

#25 Well then they should impose that tax before they start funding the wall, no?

#28 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-20 03:34 PM | Reply

Why haven't they? Because they never intended for Mexico to pay for it. Just more lies to get the stupid to vote for him.

#29 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-20 03:34 PM | Reply

No more retarded than "We gonna gets at them there wire transfers! YEEE HAAAAWWW!!" dip ****.

Mexico isn't paying for anything, you are.

Well,, IF you pay taxes like I do you are.

#30 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 03:36 PM | Reply

Wow, that was a retarded over-generalization that provided nothing of substance to the conversation.

#27 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT

Also, you really ought to watch your tongue. You retards on the right cry over the use of the word retard.

If the little retard who reports me to the mods over it has any integrity at all he's reporting your retarded *** as I type this.

#31 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-20 03:41 PM | Reply

If we curtail illegals from crossing the boarder it will save tax payers billions over time.

#32 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-20 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#25 Well then they should impose that tax before they start funding the wall, no?

Why haven't they? Because they never intended for Mexico to pay for it. Just more lies to get the stupid to vote for him.

That would be ideal, maybe you believe Trump can snap his fingers and issue a new tax law but that isn't how it works.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 04:55 PM | Reply

Now, if we could just do something about employers hiring "illegals" at suppressed wages we'll be golden.

#5 | POSTED BY DANIEL

Why not do that first, see how it affects illegal immigration, THEN decide if the Wall is necessary?

Seems to me we're putting the cart before the horse here and paying out the nose for it without knowing whether it's necessary.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-20 04:56 PM | Reply

Wow, struck a nerve, didn't I...

No more retarded than "We gonna gets at them there wire transfers! YEEE HAAAAWWW!!" dip ****.

Mexico isn't paying for anything, you are.

Clowny asked for one way that Mexico would pay for the wall whether they liked it or not. I answered it and it will probably happen in the next year or so. If you don't think it will happen, try to formulate a cogent argument as to why not, if at all possible.

Also, you really ought to watch your tongue. You retards on the right cry over the use of the word retard.

Really...and here I thought you always claimed that us righties were the insensitive ones.

If the little retard who reports me to the mods over it has any integrity at all he's reporting your retarded *** as I type this.

You should talk to Corky about that directly.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 05:01 PM | Reply

The immigrants that got here (legally or not) did so through much effort and turmoil.

You really think they are going to consider the convenience of a wire transfer more valuable than the 5% fee going to their family? Really? That's a strong assumption to make within the SOLE revenue source being suggested. Especially once they get wind that it's THAT exact fee that will be used to fund the wall.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-20 05:09 PM | Reply

truthhurts investment tip of the day:

Mexican ladder makers

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-20 05:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You really think they are going to consider the convenience of a wire transfer more valuable than the 5% fee going to their family? Really? That's a strong assumption to make within the SOLE revenue source being suggested. Especially once they get wind that it's THAT exact fee that will be used to fund the wall.

#36 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2017-03-20 05:09 PM

That is going to be an issue, but think of the logistical difficulties in getting someone to bring it back to Mexico for you, especially $23.2B with an average wire transfer of $300, simple math tells me that is 7.6M transfers a year.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 05:23 PM | Reply

Trump's crackdown focuses on people in the U.S. illegally – but not on the businesses that hire them
www.latimes.com
#9 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-03-20 12:29 PM | FLAG:

Trump is pushing to make E-Verify required for all hires, all businesses. That reasonably covers it.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-03-20 05:25 PM | Reply

Sorry, 76.6 million transfers a year.

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 05:26 PM | Reply

Mexican ladder makers
#37 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2017-03-20 05:11 PM | FLAG:

They're made in China.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-03-20 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

There are many ways Mexico will pay for the wall and they will have no say in it.
#7 | POSTED BY BLAKE914

Name one. I dare you.
#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Tax remittances to Mexico.
#25 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

One of the many ways Mexico is going to pay for the wall is through tax remittances??

Are you stupid or retarded?

That isn't an example of how Mexico will pay for the wall. That's Mexicans in America sending money to Mexico.

Unless you're suggesting the United States Postal Service will start opening mail being sent to Mexico and taking out the cash being sent.

In which case. It's still America paying for the wall.

Wanna try again?

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 06:02 PM | Reply

If we curtail illegals from crossing the boarder it will save tax payers billions over time.
#32 | POSTED BY BLAKE914 AT 2017-03-20 03:58 PM | FLAG:

Still no examples of how Mexico is going to pay for the wall?

I only asked for one.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 06:05 PM | Reply

... maybe you believe Trump can snap his fingers and issue a new tax law but that isn't how it works.
#33 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-03-20 04:55 PM | FLAG:

Donnie can snap his fingers and issue a new tax law forcing Mexico to pay for the wall??

What are you rambling about?

I'm just looking for Blake, and now you, since you jumped in head first with both feet in your mouth, to name one way Mexico will actually pay for the wall.

Maybe Donnie can start a war with Mexico and force them to do it.

That's a win win for warmongering fearmongering conservatives.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 06:11 PM | Reply

That's Mexicans in America sending money to Mexico.

Actually, the vast majority of wired remittances are from undocumented aliens, if a citizen or legal resident of Mexican descent in the US wants to "send" money to friends or relatives in Mexico the way most of them do it is to open a bank account in the US and send the ATM card to their relative to draw money out of the account. They still end up paying a 3% ATM surcharge but it is much safer than Western Union or the USPS.

The point ROC is making as I see it, by taxing wire transfers by undocumented workers on $$ that probably was not taxed in the first place, the US is imposing a de facto income tax on Mexican citizens, which pulls valuable foreign capital out of Mexico, into the US Governments coffers. View that as you want, but the Mexican Government views that as a tax on Mexican citizens.

#45 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-03-20 06:14 PM | Reply

I only asked for one.

#43 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-03-20 06:05 PM

You got one, you either didn't understand it or didn't like it.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 06:16 PM | Reply

#33

I was responding to 726's question about why the Trump Administration hadn't imposed the Remittance Tax yet...try to keep up.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 06:17 PM | Reply

#45 & #46

That's not Mexico paying for the wall.

That's America paying for the wall.

Unless Mexico is paying these undocumented workers. And America is taxing that money.

Which it's not.

It's America (Americans) paying these workers. And then these workers potentially being taxed.

Still. America is paying for the wall.

Perhaps it's cleverly worded so you can stomach the fact Donnie is a liar and a coward.

But it's not an example of Mexico paying for the wall.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 06:22 PM | Reply

It's America (Americans) paying these workers. And then these workers potentially being taxed.

Distinction without a difference. Those Americans are paying those workers under the table and they are not being taxed, they are sending that money to Mexico to be used in Mexico for Mexican goods and services. By taxing that money, the US is taking money from Mexican citizens that the US Government would not have gotten otherwise and applying it to the wall.

You can do semantic gymnastics all you want, but the Mexican Government considers it to be a tax on its people.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 06:30 PM | Reply

#45
There is no way rich people are going to allow a cash transfer tax on all transfers from the US to Mexico.

There will be services that allow money to move from the US to Mexico without paying a tax.

www.paypal.com

#50 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-20 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Distinction without a difference.

Not at all. America is paying for the wall.

You're simply saying Mexico is getting less money from America.

You can do semantic gymnastics all you want.

That's exactly what you're doing.

Mexico isn't paying for the wall. They're getting less money from America.

What ever floats your boat. But at the end of the day. Mexico isn't paying for anything.

Donnie has you running laps for him.

You're a very useful idiot.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"even a 5% tax will bring in $1.15B a year from Mexico alone."

No, that will bring money from Mexicans living in America.

I never thought I'd see the day that self-proclaimed conservatives aruge for capital controls.

Also it won't work unless you impose a tax on all foreign remittances, or the money will simply pass through a middleman country on its way to Mexico.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-20 07:06 PM | Reply

Mexico isn't paying for the wall. They're getting less money from America.

What ever floats your boat. But at the end of the day. Mexico isn't paying for anything.

Most financial experts and the Mexican Government disagree with you, I am going to go with their analysis of how this works.

You're a very useful idiot.

You, on the other hand, aren't even useful.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50

LOL. How are they going to get the money into a Paypal account to use Xoom or other services? Moreover, unlike the .05-.07% service fee for MoneyGram or Western Union, Paypal charges 2.5%-7% to transfer money internationally and has to report deposit information (i.e. SSN) to the Treasury Department, like a bank.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 07:14 PM | Reply

No, that will bring money from Mexicans living in America.

#45 explains it better than I did, read that.

Also it won't work unless you impose a tax on all foreign remittances, or the money will simply pass through a middleman country on its way to Mexico.

That is exactly correct, which is why I referenced the $582B worldwide in my #25.

What is actually being proposed is a tax on all remittances where proper documentation hasn't been provided, which is the majority of wire transfers since they deal with cash.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 07:20 PM | Reply

Most financial experts and the Mexican Government disagree with you

Who cares. You're still unable to deny the fact. All remittance taxes do is attempt to tax money going from America into Mexico.

And as Bored points out (#50). There will be loopholes which will bypass whatever possible taxes will be imposed.

Maybe you can take off your partisan blinders and just acknowledge reality. Which is. Mexico isn't actually paying for anything.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-20 07:30 PM | Reply

"You can do semantic gymnastics all you want, but the Mexican Government considers it to be a tax on its people."

Yes, a tax on Mexicans in America.

Do you actually think a tax on remittances to Mexico won't drive up the cost for American business to do business with Mexico? Like, how does that work?

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-20 07:38 PM | Reply

Who cares. You're still unable to deny the fact. All remittance taxes do is attempt to tax money going from America into Mexico.

The people who are wiring money into Mexico care, namely undocumented Mexicans who have never had to pay tax on the money in the first place. What you refuse to wrap your encephalitic little head around is that money would be in Mexico, untaxed and not used here in the US. A remittance tax keeps part of it here when it wouldn't otherwise be here.

Bored's example is unworkable, since the mechanism that he suggests would impose fees higher, in some instances, than the 5% proposed in the remittance tax and you need to have a bank account to use Paypal. There are some very imperfect and risky ways around it, but that would have to be done 76 Million times.

Maybe you can take your off partisan blinders and just acknowledge reality. Which is that money that doesn't reach Mexico and ends up in the US Treasury is found money and can pay for, well, anything.

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 12:52 AM | Reply

Do you actually think a tax on remittances to Mexico won't drive up the cost for American business to do business with Mexico? Like, how does that work?

How would it possibly affect any US business other than Western Union and the other wire transfer companies? The number of remittances back to the US is a negligible % of what goes there, so how do they retaliate? They can't.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 12:55 AM | Reply

#58

That's awesome! More of America's money will remain in America.

I'm glad that's finally happening. Why hasn't it been going on for decades? It will be great if it's Possibly implemented.

So. How does MEXICO pay for the wall???

Absence of money going into Mexico doesn't mean Mexico is paying for anything.

That money should never have been going to Mexico in the first place.

If I'm stealing from you. And your response is to build a fence around your yard. Am I paying for it by no longer stealing from you?

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:28 AM | Reply

That money should never have been going to Mexico in the first place.

Congratulations, I think you are on the verge of a "breakthrough".

Now, since it HAS been going to Mexico, taxing it is a small but significant step to keeping it FROM going to Mexico in the future.

Stop me if I am going too fast for you...

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 01:38 AM | Reply

Clowny, are you accusing these undocumented Mexicans of stealing from us?

Very un-progressive of you.

These undocumented workers have earned this money by exchanging services for money, not by stealing it. If you do work for me and I pay you, then I "tax" part of that money to build the wall around my house, am I using your money or mine?

Pretty simple, you should be able to understand this now.

Thank me later.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 01:41 AM | Reply

You still can't name one way Mexico will pay for the wall?

Didn't think so.

The remittance tax is not Mexico paying for anything. That money was never Mexico's. It's America keeping a percentage of its own money being sent to Mexico.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:54 AM | Reply

These undocumented workers have earned this money by exchanging services for money, not by stealing it.

(Sweet! Move the goal posts!)

Then why are we hunting them down with ICE agents and deporting them from our country?

If they're just exchanging services for labor. It would indicate there's a need for them.

Typical right winger. Talking out both sides of your ass at the same time.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:58 AM | Reply

It's America keeping a percentage of its own money being sent to Mexico.

In your simplistic world, you think "paying" means President Nieto whips out his checkbook and cuts the Donald a check. Sorry to break it to you, but world finance is a little more complex than that.

Before spouting off any further, you should learn a little about foreign exchange and it's importance to central banking pinhead...Mexico relies on that remittance money to bring US currency into its foreign reserves, which helps strengthen the Peso and boost their economy. If 2.8B of US currency is withdrawn from their market, it has the effect of reducing their foreign reserves, which then reduces the value of the Peso.

You may not think it would cause problems for Mexico but their Government sure does.

(Sweet! Move the goal posts!)

You were the one that accused them of stealing, not me. The basis for my position never changed. You, on the other hand, have been twisting like a pretzel.

Then why are we hunting them down with ICE agents and deporting them from our country?

Because they are here illegally.

If they're just exchanging services for labor. It would indicate there's a need for them.

Absolutely, but eliminating that "under the counter" labor source will drive up wages and spur job growth for people here legally. Before you then whip out the tired point that goods will cost more, think about the minimum wage increase and how you support that, which will have the same effect.

Typical left winger. Not having any clue what you are talking about.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 12:23 PM | Reply

Typical left winger. Not having any clue what you are talking about.

Says the guy who can't name one way Mexico will pay for the wall.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 12:31 PM | Reply

I admire the stamina and patience ROC has displayed while explaining how a tax on cash wire transfers would recover sums to fund the Great Wall of America.

Possibly the immigrants and wire transfer users would shift their funds to Bitcoin to transfer money overseas with minimal transaction costs, but mass adoption of such a tech-savvy workaround is highly unlikely.

#67 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-21 12:33 PM | Reply

I admire the stamina and patience ROC has

You should blow him.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#67

Since you chimed in GoNoles.

Would you like to venture as to how MEXICO is going to pay for the wall?

It seems America taxing people in America is enough for some people to convince themselves Mexico is doing something.

But I'd like an example of how Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

Such a simple question.

Blake claimed there were many ways to make Mexico pay. I'm still waiting on one way MEXICO will actually pay.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"...a tax on cash wire transfers would recover sums to fund the Great Wall of America." - #67 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-21 12:33 PM

That is not Mexico paying for anything.

#70 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-21 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Apparently some fools believe if Mabel hires Jose to do yard work at her house. And the United States government taxes Jose. Mexico is paying for the wall.

It's amazing logic only a right winger could understand.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 01:19 PM | Reply

I admire the stamina and patience ROC has
You should blow him.

#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-03-21 01:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He ain't finished with Little d.

#72 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-21 02:19 PM | Reply

That would be ideal, maybe you believe Trump can snap his fingers and issue a new tax law but that isn't how it works.

#33 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-03-20 04:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I have not even heard him propose it. Has Little d put it in his *America* first budget? Not the I have heard. Only thing I have heard is him spending our tax money on the wall.

Why wouldn't he put it in the budget proposal? Because he is never intending to make Mexico pay for it. He can't. The GOP won't allow it.

#73 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-21 02:23 PM | Reply

www.politico.com

"Trump team walks back plan to fund wall with import tax
White House press secretary Sean Spicer suggested a tax on imports could fund the border security measure before backing off the proposal."

www.businessinsider.com

"Mick Mulvaney, Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget, told the news media on Wednesday that the White House could not yet estimate the total cost of the wall or how many miles it would cover.

Some GOP lawmakers have already expressed hesitation about the wall's funding, which Trump repeatedly promised on the campaign trail would be provided by Mexico.

"I don't care at all as long as Mexico's paying for it -- it's neither here nor there for me," Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona told The Washington Post on Wednesday. "But if we're paying for it, it's a significant concern.""

Trumps budget... all spending on the wall... no way to pay for it.

#74 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-21 02:26 PM | Reply

"That is not Mexico paying for anything."

Actually, Righto is correct, any tax on foreign currency transfers into Mexico would reduce their foreign reserves, with a resulting impact on Mexico's economy.

You don't have to believe me or Righto, but most economists agree that either a Border Adjustment or a Remittance Tax would have the de facto effect of having Mexico pay Billions of Dollars into the US Treasury.

What Cheetolini does with it is another story.

#75 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-03-21 05:42 PM | Reply

I have not even heard him propose it. Has Little d put it in his *America* first budget? Not the I have heard.

That's because new taxes like a remittance tax do not show up in the Budget.

#76 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 05:43 PM | Reply

You should blow him.

#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-03-21 01:03 PM

I am cool with that, but he has to wait for your Mom to finish first.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 05:44 PM | Reply

Says the guy who can't name one way Mexico will pay for the wall.

I have, ad nauseum, but trying to discuss economics with you is like the proverbial discussion of what an Elephant looks like with a blind man.

I have tried to explain it as simply as I can so you and the rest of the DR Left can understand it, but I guess without pictures or the TPM seal of approval you just can't grasp it.

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 05:48 PM | Reply

Trump team walks back plan to fund wall with import tax

Import tax and remittance tax are two completely different things.

#79 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 05:50 PM | Reply

Let's see...2 lawyers that absolutely destroy any fool they encounter with facts and patience, vs 726 (a Sally with a limited understanding of the world around him), Hans (an ankle biter that substitutes italics and bolded words as actual thoughts), and clownshack (my favorite disturber)....

Hmmmm, that's a tough one.

I think I'm going to go with the two posters that never seem to be wrong, and spend more time than they should being nice to people that don't deserve it. The lawyers win.

#80 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-03-21 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A tax on American remittances to Mexico is not the same as Mexicans paying for it

It is people including corporations in America who send money to Mexico paying for it.
And it's easily dodged by passing through another nation.

So in addition to being dishonest about what it is, it won't even work.
Gonna be a long eight years.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-21 06:09 PM | Reply

Actually, Righto is correct, any tax on foreign currency transfers into Mexico would reduce their foreign reserves, with a resulting impact on Mexico's economy.
#75 | POSTED BY LEFTCOASTLAWYER AT 2017-03-21 05:42 PM | REPLY

That IS NOT MEXICO PAYING ANYTHING.

It's such a simple concept. Paying for something. It's when you render payment.

You remind me of people insisting voting for a third party helped candidate "X" because candidate "Y" didn't receive a vote.

That's not how it works.

Mexico not getting money isn't the same as Mexico paying for something.

America taxing money going out of America isn't the same as Mexico paying for anything.

I can't wait for someone to actually be able to provide an answer.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have, ad nauseum, but trying to discuss economics with you is like the proverbial discussion of what an Elephant looks like with a blind man.
I have tried to explain it as simply as I can so you and the rest of the DR Left can understand it, but I guess without pictures or the TPM seal of approval you just can't grasp it.
#78 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-03-21 05:48 PM | FLAG:

You explained if a remittance tax gets passed money being sent from America to Mexico would get taxed. Mexico loses funds that may potentially enter its economy.

None of that amounts to Mexico paying for the wall.

It's so simple. So, so simple.

You're a moron. Absolutely.

You haven't a clue. It's shocking you're a lawyer. You must be abysmal at your job. I wouldn't hire you if my life depended on it.

#83 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 06:59 PM | Reply

#80

Clowny, Snoofy and 726 are insisting that the only way to "pay" for something is to write a check.

How quaint.

#84 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 07:17 PM | Reply

It is people including corporations in America who send money to Mexico paying for it.

Wrong.

It was already introduced into committee a year ago, the new proposed law would be very similar to this:

S. 79: Remittance Status Verification Act of 2015, A BILL To impose a fine with respect to international remittance transfers if the sender is unable to verify legal status in the United States, and for other purposes.

Reading is fundamental kids, unless you are Clowny and his ignorant ilk, then it is just a hassle.

#85 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 07:23 PM | Reply

Clowny, Snoofy and 726 are insisting that the only way to "pay" for something is to write a check.
How quaint.
#84 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-03-21 07:17 PM | FLAG:

Apparently you believe one country creating a tax is the same as another country paying for something.

How stupid.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 07:39 PM | Reply

Apparently you can't seem to understand that one country creating a tax that impacts another's foreign reserves to the tune of Billions of US Dollars a year shifting to the taxing country has the same effect as the other country paying for something.

At this point that has to be willful ignorance, since the Mexican Government certainly understands it.

#87 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 07:58 PM | Reply

Apparently you can't seem to understand that one country creating a tax that impacts another's foreign reserves...

Isn't the same as that country rendering payment for anything.

Again counselor. You fail.

Mexico isn't paying anything. Even if America's actions result in a monetary loss for Mexico. The actions being taken are all America's.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 08:07 PM | Reply

Not to split hairs, ROC, (being that I understand your point), but would referring to the action in question as "recompense" as opposed to "pay" be an appropriate compromise?

Especially considering the history and reasoning behind building The Wall?

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 08:09 PM | Reply

Not to split hairs, ROC, (being that I understand your point), but would referring to the action in question as "recompense" as opposed to "pay" be an appropriate compromise?

LOL, glad to see one smart poster on this topic:

rec·om·pense
ˈrekəmˌpens
verb
1.
make amends to (someone) for loss or harm suffered; compensate.
"offenders should recompense their victims"
synonyms: compensate, indemnify, repay, reimburse, make reparation to, make restitution to, make amends to

Clowny will never agree, he is too obtuse to do that.

#90 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 08:17 PM | Reply

Clownshack,
If Mexico is financially hurt due to our actions, or their lack of action, they're paying for it. One way or another, brother.

Somebody steals you burrito. You tell them "you're going to pay for that!"
Then a week later you put the aids in their burrito, did you not make them pay for stealing your burrito a week earlier?

Sure, it wasn't like they gave you $4.99, but you sure a ---- made them pay a lot more than that burrito was worth, right?

Either way, Mexico will be taking it in the rear.

I hope those dumb bastards quit buying our corn too. I want to see their people suffer for their crap government.

#91 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-03-21 08:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#88

Keeping digging the hole Clowny, we can still see the top of your pointy little head.

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 08:18 PM | Reply

#91 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Well, that was a huge steaming pile of burrito.

#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-21 08:20 PM | Reply

Clowny reminds me of Kim Jong Il in Team America: World Police:

I'm So Ronery
So ronery
So ronery and sadry arone
There's no one
Just me onry
Sitting on my rittle throne
I work rearry hard and make up great prans
But nobody ristens, no one understands
Seems like no one takes me serirousry
And so I'm ronery
A rittle ronery
Poor rittle me
There's nobody
I can rerate to
Feel rike a bird in a cage
It's kinda sihry
But not rearry
Because it's fihring my body with rage
I'm the smartest most crever most physicarry fit
But nobody else seems to rearize it
When I change the world maybe they'll notice me
But until then I'rr just be ronery
Rittle ronery, poor rittle me
I'm so ronery

#94 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mexico isn't paying anything.....

#88 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Yes, they are. Based upon any financial metric, they will be (assuming this remittance tax goes through).

Please acknowledge the fungibility of money.

Arguments against this tax are out there and have merit - but you are denying what this tax is, when, IMO, you should be finding arguments against it, based upon liberal-criteria. For what it's worth, I think you've gotten your ass handed to you as it pertains to this proposed tax being a "payment" from Mexico. I think you are better off arguing against this proposal based upon merit and geopolitics, instead of quibbling over defining what it actually is.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-03-21 08:24 PM | Reply

"If Mexico is financially hurt due to our actions, or their lack of action, they're aying for it. One way or another, brother."

Oh so we've gone from Mexico bring the funding instrument to Mexico suffering losses equivalent to if they were the funding instrument.

Only one of those has Mexico buying us a wall. The other has Mexico losing money while Americans buy us a wall.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-21 08:28 PM | Reply

Only one of those has Mexico buying us a wall. The other has Mexico losing money while Americans buy us a wall.

#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Basically the same thing.

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-03-21 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To use a John Oliver analogy:

Let's say that it takes one apple to build the wall.

Mexican citizens living and working in the US are going to send 20 apples to Mexico, which ultimately end up on the Mexican President's desk.

America takes one of those apples and uses it to build the wall before it is sent, leaving the Mexican President with 19 apples.

Other than timing, what is the difference between this scenario and the Mexican President getting all 20 apples and giving one back to the US to build the wall?

As Jeff says, "Basically the same thing."

#98 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 08:35 PM | Reply

#98 Because it's not Mexico's apple.
It belongs to someone here in America, and when they send 20 apples to someone in Mexico, Uncle Sam steals one and claims it was a gift from Mexico, and you believe Uncle Sam.

Your math and property rights are deplorable. Hallmarks of being poorly educated.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-21 08:46 PM | Reply

Not even close. Losing money means not getting something in return for that loss. Spending money means paying for a good or service IE You got something for the reduction in money.

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-21 08:50 PM | Reply

#91

Let's put it this way Chair.

Everyday you eat French fries.

You find out I've been taking fries from you and giving them to Rusty.

In order to be compensated. Every time I give Rusty some of your fries. You keep one.

Is Rusty paying you anything?

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 08:50 PM | Reply

Arguments against this tax are out there and have merit

No one is arguing against this tax. (At least not on this thread, by me). (I stated up above on the thread not only am I in favor of this tax. I'm wondering why it hasn't been enacted yet.)

The argument is whether a remittance tax is the same thing as Mexico paying for the wall.

The answer is, no.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 08:54 PM | Reply

#99

So are you going to go down Clowny's rabbit hole and argue that those Mexican citizens stole the apple? Those apples were not taxed, they were paid to the Mexican citizens that are trying to send them to the Mexican President under the table by some shifty apple grower. By taxing them as they should have been taxed originally, that will provide the apple for the wall.

Isn't fair taxation was a progressive mainstay?

#103 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 08:55 PM | Reply

That should be "Isn't fair taxation a progressive mainstay?"

#104 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 09:01 PM | Reply

First off, why did you steal my fries after I said you're one of my faves?
Second, rusty better start buying his own fries or I'll cut that ------....errr....bastard.

To be honest I don't know who is Mexico, who is stealing fries, and whether or not rusty is a Mexican.

I just like the burrito/aids anology.

#105 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-03-21 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

To be honest I don't know who is Mexico, who is stealing fries, and whether or not rusty is a Mexican.

www.youtube.com

#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 09:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Basically the same thing.
#97 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-03-21 08:29 PM | FLAG:

An orange and an apple are basically the same thing.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 09:29 PM | Reply

I just like the burrito/aids analogy.
#105 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2017-03-21 09:03 PM | FLAG:

I loved the burrito/aids analogy.

Pictured putting aids in the burrito.

Made me laugh pretty good.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 10:09 PM | Reply

I just like the burrito/aids analogy.
#105 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2017-03-21 09:03 PM | FLAG:

Christ! I'm gone for 30 minutes and there's a burrito/aids analogy?

WTF did I miss?!?!?!

#109 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 10:33 PM | Reply

Rsty. Read #91.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 10:36 PM | Reply

Those apples were not taxed...
#103 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I believe that's where some of the most significant contention lies. It's all based upon how the law is written, but how would the government police the wiring of monies to Mexico? I am sure that there are many legal immigrants who are also sending money to Mexico.

Would the wiring companies (Western Union?) be forced by the government to demand legal alien numbers or passport identification to wire money without the fee? If so, I'm entirely convinced that the "illegals" will find an alternative way to get the money down to their intended destinations.

For instance, as previously mentioned, depositing money into U.S. bank accounts and mailing the debit card for said accounts to Mexico. Granted, they will still incur a fee (3%), but that money will clearly go straight to bank corporations and NOT to the federal government to pay for The Wall.

Considering tax remittances are the MAIN revenue source being touted here on this thread, said method is quite limited and definitely not the answer to get Mexico to "pay for The Wall."

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 10:41 PM | Reply

HAHAHA!

"the aids" coupled with "Mexico will be taking it in the rear" was too much for me! I laughed hard out loud, in the middle of a large reception for a conference, and the drunks are now hounding me.

These Charter School Educators really know how to have a good time, and yet here I am conversing with you -----.

I must be a masochist.

Cheers y'all!

#112 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 10:44 PM | Reply

I believe that's where some of the most significant contention lies. It's all based upon how the law is written, but how would the government police the wiring of monies to Mexico? I am sure that there are many legal immigrants who are also sending money to Mexico.

I think Righto addressed that with S. 79 referenced in #85 above, "A BILL To impose a fine with respect to international remittance transfers if the sender is unable to verify legal status in the United States, and for other purposes."

I read that bill, if you have a SSN, Green Card ID # or EIN, you are not subject to the tax.

#113 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-03-21 11:06 PM | Reply

Would the wiring companies (Western Union?) be forced by the government to demand legal alien numbers or passport identification to wire money without the fee? If so, I'm entirely convinced that the "illegals" will find an alternative way to get the money down to their intended destinations.

It's my understanding that Banking Laws require them to ask for identification for "record keeping purposes" but that if they don't have ID they aren't currently prohibited from processing the wire.

As for alternatives, someone will absolutely figure out a work around, but the problem is that they need to figure out a way to do it 76 Million times. That is going to take a while.

#114 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 11:17 PM | Reply

or instance, as previously mentioned, depositing money into U.S. bank accounts and mailing the debit card for said accounts to Mexico. Granted, they will still incur a fee (3%), but that money will clearly go straight to bank corporations and NOT to the federal government to pay for The Wall.

Don't forget, you have to have a SSN to open a bank account. Something like 90% of remittances have no proof of legal residency, so 490B or more has no SSN or EIN.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 11:19 PM | Reply

or instance, as previously mentioned, depositing money into U.S. bank accounts and mailing the debit card for said accounts to Mexico. Granted, they will still incur a fee (3%), but that money will clearly go straight to bank corporations and NOT to the federal government to pay for The Wall.

Don't forget, you have to have a SSN to open a bank account. Something like 90% of remittances have no proof of legal residency, so 490B or more has no SSN or EIN.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-21 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag

Buy a debit card at walmart and mail that to Mexico. Problem solved.

#116 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-21 11:25 PM | Reply

#115

Good point, although how many illegals ARE working with stolen SS #s or the like?

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 11:27 PM | Reply

With that said, maybe take all the tax refunds not claimed by illegals and put that towards the cost of the wall.

Funny nobody is talking about that specifically.

#118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-21 11:30 PM | Reply

Oh I had forgotten I made 2 international wire transfers at an actual physical bank 18 years ago. All I needed was account number and routing number of the recipient THAT'S IT.

#119 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-21 11:42 PM | Reply

#116 Laura, Trump has that figured out. They're gonna have to spend mucho dinero on a postage stamp.

#120 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-03-22 12:05 AM | Reply

Just checking back in to see if anyone figured out a way Mexico would be paying for Donnie's wall.

I see the not yet proposed remittance tax is still being discussed.

How pathetic.

If I was Mexico I'd be laughing my ass off.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-22 12:37 AM | Reply

Buy a debit card at walmart and mail that to Mexico. Problem solved.

#116 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2017-03-21 11:25 PM

Starting out, you have $9 worth of fees, so if you send $200 that is 4.5%. If you go over that, you pay $3 per additional $100 loaded, so a $300 card fee is 4% and you have to mail it so it is pretty similar. My guess is that, similar to S. 79, you would have to have proof of residency to use that.

#122 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:06 AM | Reply

If I was Mexico I'd be laughing my ass off.

#121 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-03-22 12:37 AM

You aren't Mexico, the proposal pays for the wall and everyone else is not laughing with you...

#123 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:07 AM | Reply

Oh I had forgotten I made 2 international wire transfers at an actual physical bank 18 years ago. All I needed was account number and routing number of the recipient THAT'S IT.

#119 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2017-03-21 11:42 PM

Brilliant...bet you forgot that you had to have a SSN to open the account that you transferred from in the first place.

#124 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:08 AM | Reply

Buy a debit card at walmart and mail that to Mexico. Problem solved. #116 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

To some, it would be simpler to avoid the wire transfer tax by transferring Value across borders via Bitcoin.

#125 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-22 01:09 AM | Reply

#117

Not sure of the exact numbers, but I have a sense that it is a pretty low percentage overall.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:09 AM | Reply

Brilliant...bet you forgot that you had to have a SSN to open the account that you transferred from in the first place.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:08 AM | Reply

Nope just had to have the cash money to transfer it. I didn't even need to show a photo ID.

#127 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-22 01:10 AM | Reply

#118

That is an excellent point, not sure what the forfeiture laws are on that but that is another revenue source.

#128 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:10 AM | Reply

#127

So you walked into a bank that you didn't have an account at, paid cash and they transferred it internationally without an ID?

#129 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:12 AM | Reply

Nope just had to have the cash money to transfer it. I didn't even need to show a photo ID. #127 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

This transaction allegedly occurred almost two decades ago. There is a zero chance of that happening with our current anti-money laundering regulations and homeland security laws which placed increased scrutiny on banks to identify individuals using banking services.

#130 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-22 01:15 AM | Reply

So you walked into a bank that you didn't have an account at, paid cash and they transferred it internationally without an ID?

Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 01:12 AM | Reply

Yes Sir to New Zealand as a matter of fact. It cost 15 dollars to wire 50.00. They didn't even ask what company it was going to. Just had their bank account number and routing number.

#131 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-22 01:19 AM | Reply

If I was Mexico I'd be laughing my ass off. #121 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Laughing...while the USA diminishes via taxation the amount of USD flowing into your country. Mexico would feel the economic pain of decreased capital inflows from such microtransactions over time.

In a sense, Mexico benefits from the support of its diaspora, particularly from its rural population who have migrated in search of temporary employment in the USA. Remittances oft equate to over 50 percent of the recipient's monthly income, which go towards supporting family/parents, improving quality of life, enhance health/nutrition/education, and further funding investment in local home-country economies.

It is about time that the USA imposes a tax on those unable to validate their identities, to recover some of our capital outflows.

#132 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-03-22 01:23 AM | Reply

Only one of those has Mexico buying us a wall. The other has Mexico losing money while Americans buy us a wall.
#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Basically the same thing.
#97 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

How is America spending billions of dollars to build wall the same as America not spending billions of dollars and not build wall?

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-22 02:56 AM | Reply

the proposal pays for the wall
#123 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-03-22 01:07 AM | REPLY

Really?

How many billions of dollars are you expecting to collect from the money order to abuela?

Still haven't figured out a way Mexico will pay for anything?

Keep swinging that American tax plan.

#134 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-22 02:58 AM | Reply

Mexico will pay for the wall about as well as oil paid for the Iraq war. And probably with many of the same individuals and companies profiting. At taxpayer expense, naturally.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-22 02:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mexico would feel the economic pain of decreased capital inflows from such microtransactions over time.
#132 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 AT 2017-03-22 01:23 AM | FLAG:

Really?

Mexico's economy is dependent on Jose and Maria sending their families a portion of their pay?

And America is going to force Mexico to pay for the wall by taxing a portion of that money?

Wow. You guys have this all figured out.

No wonder Mexico is sending over its criminals and rapists. It needs the money!

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-22 03:09 AM | Reply

God, you people are thick, of course the illegals will pay for the wall, by buying stamps to mail their cash to Mexico instead of wire transfers.

Brilliant I say, BRILLIANT!

#137 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-22 06:55 AM | Reply

What's Spanish for Bitcoin?

I am saddened but not surprised by the relentless right wing economic illiteracy that defines this thread.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-22 04:51 PM | Reply

It cost 15 dollars to wire 50.00.

LOL, no wonder they did it without ID, that was a 30% fee for $50. Western Union only charges 0.7 percent so you got the opposite of a deal.

I am saddened but not surprised by the relentless right wing economic illiteracy that defines this thread.

#138 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-03-22 04:51 PM

Show us where we are wrong Snoofy...

#139 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 05:23 PM | Reply

LOL, no wonder they did it without ID, that was a 30% fee for $50. Western Union only charges 0.7 percent so you got the opposite of a deal.

I am saddened but not surprised by the relentless right wing economic illiteracy that defines this thread.

#138 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-03-22 04:51 PM

Show us where we are wrong Snoofy...

Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 05:23 PM | Reply

It was a deal for what I ordered. (hormones) they didn't take Western Union

#140 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-22 05:25 PM | Reply

#140

Got it. They probably shouldn't have sent it, and you paid for the privilege. Glad you got what you needed.

#141 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 05:38 PM | Reply

#136

Actually, you are finally right about something, Mexico is desperate for foreign reserves.

#142 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 05:39 PM | Reply

By rights you are correct. The first time I went down the Transgender transition super bumpy highway you had 2 choices. Go 6 months to a head shrinker before HRT or go through the underground which means yes not the legal above board legal way. I am lucky this time around I am above board with everything since they have informed consent for hormones. But yes ROC you are correct that they shouldn't have sent them to me.

#143 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-22 05:43 PM | Reply

One thing I saw mentioned above was to get a prepaid debit card from walmart and send that to Mexico for use. -- In answer to that I will say that in my experience with these types of cards (I own one jointly with my hubby for good reasons) you must have a legit social security number etc to register it, and it cannot be used out of the continental US.

I have also seen it said above that taxing the money people are sending to Mexico is not the same as Mexico paying for the wall. My question to that is "When your employer removes money from your paycheck for your health insurance are you paying your premium?" To me it is nearly the same concept, except with insurance you have the choice to opt in. Though by choosing to use that form of sending money they are in fact opting in to pay for the wall...

#144 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-22 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#144

That is exactly correct, and a great analogy.

#145 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-22 06:40 PM | Reply

"I have also seen it said above that taxing the money people are sending to Mexico is not the same as Mexico paying for the wall. My question to that is "When your employer removes money from your paycheck for your health insurance are you paying your premium?"

Help me understand this bizarre analogy.
The wall is represented by health care?
So your employer is Mexico then?
Or are you Mexico?

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-22 11:20 PM | Reply

#138

Bitcoin.

#147 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-22 11:24 PM | Reply

The analogy doesn't work because she's buying healthcare with her money.

Mexico isn't buying the wall because they aren't spending any of their money.

Republicans just want to believe Donnie is stronger than Mexico.

But in the end. He has no power to make Mexico do anything.

He can only propose a remittance tax.

Which. Isn't actually Mexico paying for anything.

Again. Waiting on anyone to stop chirping "Remittance tax" and name a way Mexico will actually pay for the wall.

Face it. We don't need the wall. We can't pay for the wall. Mexico isn't paying to build an unnecessary wall along its northern border.

#148 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-23 12:19 AM | Reply

Bitcoin.

An option but how would that work? Aren't most of the remittances to rural "third world" areas?

#149 | Posted by et_al at 2017-03-23 01:01 AM | Reply

Honestly it is clear that Clown and Snoofy dont want to understand. It is not that hard to grasp that when money is being sent to Mexico, and the US takes a portion of it, then Mexico ends up with less than they would have. The amount that they are then not receiving (but do today) goes to pay for the wall. It is a forced payment. The very fact that it reduces the amount of money Mexico receives from the US is very like them paying for the wall.

#150 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-23 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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