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Saturday, March 18, 2017

Scientists are conducting a massive computer simulation to work out how New York would respond to a nuclear attack in the heart of Manhattan.

The three-year, $450,000 project will simulate two nuclear detonations and their effects on up to 20 million virtual 'agents' each representing civilian, first responder or other official over the course of 30 days.

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Wall Street, the major media, all the top fashion houses, Madison Avenue--gone.

And there might also be a lot of good people who die too.

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And who is out to nuke us?

This tomfoolery would be better suited for the west coast with North Korea and stuff.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-18 11:59 PM | Reply

The only science the death cult goppers are interested in.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-19 01:36 AM | Reply

They are going to spend $450,000 dollars on this nonsense which will really tell them and us nothing, utter nonsense. Don't get me wrong, reasonable planning should be done to prepare for a catastrophe but a catastrophe of that proportion is utterly impossible to plan for.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 11:34 AM | Reply

but a catastrophe of that proportion is utterly impossible to plan for.

Why would you think that? That type of thinking is planning to fail.

Everything can be planned for...Everything.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-19 01:29 PM | Reply

No one watched The Day After in 1983 when they nuked Lawrence Kansas??? Damn ignorance there.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-19 01:38 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ
"That type of thinking is planning to fail.
Everything can be planned for...Everything."

Reminds me of some climate conversations here.

#6 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-03-19 02:00 PM | Reply

"Everything can be planned for...Everything."

Yeah, I realized that was utter nonsense by watching the Iraq invasion turn into a catastrophe. Your credibility is a bit lacking BOAZ.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 03:40 PM | Reply

"Why would you think that? That type of thinking is planning to fail. "

Planning otherwise is accepting that nuclear war is acceptable, survivable, and something that the consequences are something we can plan for. That is utterly ridiculous and totally ignores what a nuclear war even is.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 03:42 PM | Reply

Everything can be planned for...Everything.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-19 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

It can be but you have to understand the ramifications if you don't heed the lessons of the preplanned for event. Hurricane Katrina aftermath comes to mind.

en.wikipedia.org

Hurricane Katrina at peak strength
on August 28, 2005
Formed August 23, 2005
Dissipated August 31, 2005[1]
(Extratropical after August 30, 2005)

en.wikipedia.org

Hurricane Pam exercise

Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including the city of New Orleans, in 20048][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July 2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. 60,000 people would be killed. The report on the simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam."[10]

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-19 03:51 PM | Reply

I want to read the planning for Hurrican Andrew that destroyed the southern parts of Miami. I mean destroyed. We went down to help with the clean-up, I have never seen such devastation before in my life. They still don't really even know how many people died. They never will. I'm pretty sure Katrina was like that in NO, and other storms in other parts of the country. There is no way to plan for such devastaion, my family did the only sensible thing, we evacuated before the storm got there because the original predictions were that it would come ashore in Hollywood, florida where we lived. It didn't, we had little or no damage, didn't even file any insurance claim at all unlike my dishonest and greedy neighbors who all collected between 3-5 thousand dollars each. Didn't respect any of them after that.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 04:17 PM | Reply

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Think of the long term effects in NYC after the Twin Towers went down. How many people have reported physical ailments resulting from the dust? How many now have PTSD? How did it make NYC different today than it was before?

Now increase the magnitude of the impacts. Instead of the Twin Towers, it's a dirty bomb, detonated in Secaucus in the fall, when the winds are out of the northwest. The fallout cloud is blown the length of Manhatten and continues down the Long Island Expressway, getting wider as it heads southeast into Queens and Brooklyn.

Plans are just plans, but they're only as good as the people implementing them, and there's an old adage that says "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy". Still, having a plan is better than NOT having a plan. My only question is "Who is paying for this simulation?" $450,000 isn't chump change, and the article refers to "current funding".

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-03-20 08:27 AM | Reply

a dirty bomb, detonated

The sim is about two full scaled nuclear detonations. Not dirty bombs. In case that was your thinking.

"Who is paying for this simulation?"

Melamine Trump.

#12 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-20 08:48 AM | Reply

#12 Is he? Sounds like it was already paid for.

I used a dirty bomb because that is vastly more likely than an actual nuclear weapon, and did so simply to emphasize the point about the necessity of being aware of the downrange impacts. People are under the false impression that you just draw a circle around Ground Zero, everyone inside the circle gets flash-fried, and everyone outside the circle says "Holy ----!" and everything returns to normal.

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-03-20 08:57 AM | Reply

Is he?

She... Malaria Trump... wife, hooker, etc. Can't spell her name right....

And no she isn't funding it... I just said it because I had a brain-fart.

I used a dirty bomb because that is vastly more likely than an actual nuclear weapon

Perhaps, but I doubt it. I have met Islamists and they are some of the STUPIDEST people ever. It amazes me how someone like them can cross the street without being hit by a bus. Building a dirty bomb is waaayyyy beyond their capacity.

Or maybe I just haven't run into the smart ones yet.

People are under the false impression that you just draw a circle around Ground Zero, everyone inside the circle gets flash-fried, and everyone outside the circle says "Holy ----!" and everything returns to normal.

Correct. The hell doesn't stop just outside the circle.

#14 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-20 09:22 AM | Reply

Maybe my understanding of a dirty bomb is flawed, but I thought a dirty bomb was just a regular bomb (which they have a lot of experience with) with a bunch of radioactive material "piled" on top of it. The bomb is just a means by which to propel the radioactive material into the air. I think you can use anything radioactive as the "dirty": yellow cake, industrial waste, medical waste...there are a surprising number of industries and services that use low-grade nuclear material.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-03-20 09:50 AM | Reply

Maybe my understanding of a dirty bomb is flawed

No, your understand is spot on.

But I believe these donkeys will kill themselves collecting all them radiological goodies.

It's been so many years since 9-11 and still so many years since Ayatoola Iranian Revolution.... NONE of them have been able to make a dirty bomb. And it's not through lack of opportunity.

Iran would have killed for one during the Iran-Iraq war.... but no. They're just too dumb.

To them everything is the "will of Allah"... well when they die of radiation poisoning I guess that would also be the Will of Allah.

#16 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-20 10:13 AM | Reply

If NYC is nuked, it will probity not come in on a missile. It will come in a shipping container or get assembled on site. The only thing needed is a piece of Pu about the size of a softball, or two pieces of U232 about the same size. The rest you can get from a hardware store. BTW, according to the Russians, they have accounted for all their fissionable materials after the chaos that ensued after the USSR fell apart. Those guys never lie. Plus we have not lost four hydrogen bombs in America or 14 or more in the ocean. We are safe. (Maybe)

#17 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 05:40 PM | Reply

Chicago takes the title of best Pizza?

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-20 05:55 PM | Reply

"Who is paying for this simulation?" $450,000 isn't chump change, and the article refers to "current funding".
#11 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

This sounds like a couple of computer science geeks scored. But the money is coming from the likes of a RAND or Raytheon type.

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-20 09:23 PM | Reply

This sounds like a couple of computer science geeks scored. But the money is coming from the likes of a RAND or Raytheon type.

You could have just said you don't know. Way fewer characters.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-20 09:53 PM | Reply

You could have just said you don't know.
#20 | POSTED BY REDIAL

But I do know - It happens all the time. 2 geeks score following presentation to a RAND or Raytheon-like entity.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-20 10:02 PM | Reply

The only thing needed is a piece of Pu about the size of a softball, or two pieces of U232 #17 | Posted by docnjo

No, Mr.Nookoolar Scientist. There's a bit more to it than that.

it will probity not #17 | Posted by docnjo

Nope. Probity not.

Idiot.

#22 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-21 12:38 AM | Reply

#22 | Posted by J_Tremain Have you ever assembled or maintained a weapon of this type? I have. From .25 KT to 100 KT. Both U and Pu cores. Actually the smaller versions used even smaller amounts of Pu. The only thing out side the fissionable material required is explosives, and you can make some hot enough to cause a super critical mass with materials from a hardware store for a Pu bomb, or perhaps a chemical supply company. For a U bomb, all you need is a cheep microwave and some heavy pipe and enough explosive to slam two masses of U together. The Hiroshima bomb only used 8 ounces of black powder.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-21 01:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Have you ever assembled or maintained a weapon of this type? I have.

This is coming to us from a guy who spells like a 5 year old.

Unbelievable.

The Hiroshima bomb only used 8 ounces of black powder.

You know what?

Keep on believing that. In fact yell it at the top of your voice from the rooftops.

#24 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-21 03:34 AM | Reply

cheep microwave

Cheep cheep cheep... life is CHEEEEEP.

#25 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-21 03:36 AM | Reply

Actually, using black powder for a nuclear weapon would have been kind of ironic.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-21 07:21 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by J_Tremain, I graduated from the Field Artillery Officer's Advanced Course and later the Officer's Nuclear Surety and Special Weapons Course at Fort Sill during the 80s. I am reasonably certain I can speak with some degree of accuracy. The reason I can is because that class of weapon system was scraped after SALT II. The Army no longer has those weapons. They no longer exist. And you are also correct, my spelling is horrible, always has been. Iconic perception dominance tends to have that as a side effect.

#27 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-21 09:13 AM | Reply

I love watching ppl get completely pwned on a thread. Tremain should stick to something he probably knows, like breeding camels, and leave the talk of nuclear science to his betters. Or, at least have the self-awareness to keep his piehole shut when others are talking.

#28 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-03-21 10:02 PM | Reply

I love watching ppl get completely pwned on a thread.

Like claiming there was black powder in the Hiroshima bomb?

That is kind of amusing.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-21 10:29 PM | Reply

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