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Friday, March 17, 2017

President Donald Trump said his administration isn't to blame for allegations he was spied on by British intelligence that have angered the U.K. government, and declined to step back from his claim that his predecessor, Barack Obama, put him under surveillance. "We said nothing. All we did was quote a certain, very talented legal mind," Trump said, referring to a claim by Fox News commentator Andrew Napolitano that Obama bypassed U.S. law by asking the U.K. to gather intelligence on Trump during the presidential campaign. "You shouldn't be talking to me you should be talking to Fox."

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The administration had been trying to stop a domestic row from contaminating a vital international alliance. A senior U.K. government official said earlier Friday that top White House aides apologized to the British government for White House press secretary Sean Spicer repeating the claim on Thursday as he attempted to bolster Trump's unsubstantiated Twitter claims that he had been wiretapped by the previous administration.

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I wonder when Pres Trump is going to start acknowledging and taking responsibility for the things he and his administration do.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wonder when Pres Trump is going to start acknowledging and taking responsibility for the things he and his administration do.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 04:18 PM | Reply

I can answer that one, never.

Donald is asserting that if someone says something, anything, anywhere it's on them and as a mindless Minah bird he excapes responsibility for joining in.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 05:28 PM | Reply

Christopher Steele isn't British anymore?

#3 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-17 05:45 PM | Reply

Fox News commentator Andrew Napolitano that Obama bypassed U.S. law by asking the U.K. to gather intelligence on Trump during the presidential campaign.
Did anyone bypass US law by asking Mr. Steele to gather intel on Trump?
Did Obama ask Mr Steele to gather intel on Trump?
Is Mr. Steele part of the UK government?
If you don't have proof for all of the above you got nothing, just like little d (between ears and legs)

#4 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-17 06:50 PM | Reply

He doesn't take responsibility for his actions. He carries on like a young child. He blames others for his actions and failures. He is eager to take credit when things go right though.

Trump isn't a leader. At best he is a manager and not a very good one.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-03-17 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Liar-in-Chief now has to make up even more outrageous lies, by himself, Spicer and now Napolitano to deflect from the previous series of lies.

All done to pathetically deflect from the Russia investigation.

That smell is smoke, and lots of it, from a fire.
IMPEACH.

#6 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-03-17 07:08 PM | Reply

#4 - it all depends on how Steele derived his information. He was/maybe still is a member of MI5 which is part of the government.

If any information he received came through back channels the answer is Yes.

Will there ever be positive proof. Probably not, that is why this avenue was taken.

Plausible Deniability.

#7 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-17 07:28 PM | Reply

#6

Donald will have war with North Korea as an ultimate means of distraction.

If it doesn't go entirely well it's clear now that he'll blame someone on Fox News.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 07:29 PM | Reply

#7

Horsesh--. Donald just has a weak mind and a loud mouth.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying
www.nytimes.com

...Although his aides in private conversations since Thursday night had tried to calm British officials who were livid over the claim, Mr. Trump made clear that he felt the White House had nothing to retract or apologize for. He said his spokesman was simply repeating an assertion made by a Fox News commentator....

What Pres Trump and his administration apparently do not understand is that when something is spoken from the podium in the press room of the White House, it is given a certain gravitas.

Mr Spicer was reading those quotes to support the unsubstantiated assertion made by Pres Trump. If the White House did not know they were true, then Mr Spicer should not have read them to substantiate Pres Trump's claim.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 08:45 PM | Reply

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Dead terrorist Muslims like Osama bin Laden gotta love what Trump and other blockheads have been doing to this country for the last 16 years. America's reputation is so far in the ------- perhaps even Superman with a giant plunger can't get it out . It's like their dream come true .

#11 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2017-03-17 08:55 PM | Reply

#7- is that a thought or just verbal diarrhea.

#12 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-17 09:05 PM | Reply

Is anyone keeping a list of how many lies Trump has told to cover all his previous lies, including this one?

Trump's psychosis goes a lot deeper than just the normal run-of-the-mill paranoia that infects bottom feeders of his low caliber. A normal person, even one with a semi-sane mind, would have called his FBI director, James Comey, (or any number of other people) to verify the veracity of what he heard about being wiretapped.

But no, Trump didn't do that. He chose to play the victim card and, opportunist that he is, saw an opportunity to drive a knife into Barack Obama at the same. Trump is a sad, sick little man with no moral compass ~ a sociopath without guilt who takes pleasure in inflicting pain. (see his health care bill for proof of that) Anyone who thinks Trump is banging on all eight cylinders is as deluded a he is. The man is certifiably insane.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-17 09:09 PM | Reply

Is anyone keeping a list of how many lies Trump has told to cover all his previous lies, including this one?

It's not possible. I'm pretty sure that's the whole idea.

It's kind of like the government launching a DoS attack on the governed... just bury them in --------.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-17 09:24 PM | Reply

#12

Take it however you wish

Donald Trump is trash, and so is any intelligent man who defends him.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


Fox News: "We Know Of No Evidence Trump Surveilled At Any Time In Any Way"
deadline.com

UPDATED with video: "Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary; Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full Stop," Shepard Smith said on Fox News Channel moments after Donald Trump told reporters to talk to FNC about remarks his press secretary made from the podium at the White House.

Smith later noted the remarks had been made "on the morning show, but not on Fox News." Napolitano had cited "three intelligence sources" he said "have informed Fox News."

Trump told German reporters they should be asking Fox News about its report on Brit intelligence spying on Trump for then President Obama during the election....


Now it appears that Fox News is trying to distance itself from Pres Trump's comment.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 09:43 PM | Reply

I gotta hand it to you, Prolix; you will have a job with the Trump Corporation after the smoke clears. Bravo, sir or madam on your spin.

#17 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-03-17 09:52 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is trash, and so is any intelligent man who defends him.
#15 | Posted by Zed

Are there any other kind of politicians?
You will be happy to know, Zed. I didn't vote for him. And I will not defend him.

#18 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-17 10:17 PM | Reply

Probably not, that is why this avenue was taken.
Plausible Deniability.
#7 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

When you need to make ---- up, you're probably on the losing side of the argument.

Who the hell am I kidding? You support Trump. You're perpetually on the wrong side of the argument.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-17 10:18 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY RAY

Ray!! How the hell you doing man? Still living in that gold brick lined palace?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-17 10:19 PM | Reply

#7- is that a thought or just verbal diarrhea.

#12 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

It's your own post.

We know the answer. What do you think?

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-17 10:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald Trump is trash, and so is any intelligent man who defends him.

#15 | POSTED BY ZED

Those are mutually exclusive states of existence.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-17 10:22 PM | Reply

Wow - Ray's back?? WB, Ray!
(have you thought this through, Ray? :) )

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-17 10:26 PM | Reply

Ray!! How the hell you doing man? Still living in that gold brick lined palace?
#20 | Posted by jpw

It's stuffed under my mattress for better sleep.

#24 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-17 10:27 PM | Reply

It's stuffed under my mattress for better sleep.

Posted by Ray at 2017-03-17 10:27 PM | Reply

Goldbond ehhhhhhhhhh?????

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-17 10:28 PM | Reply

Welcome back, Ray.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-03-17 10:29 PM | Reply

(have you thought this through, Ray? :) )
#23 | Posted by YAV

Older and wiser. Let's see what happens. I was surprised that my login is still valid.
Amazed to see how my familiar names are still here.

#27 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-17 10:31 PM | Reply

#19- So tell me, was Trump spied on or not. If not all these stories are made up. If so where is the indictment?

#28 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-17 11:14 PM | Reply

Was Trump spied on? No.

Were Russians spied on? Yes.

If Trump spoke to Russians who were being spied on, would he have been "swept up"? Yes.

Did this happen? Possible. Don't know.

If it did happen, would it be illegal? No.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-17 11:32 PM | Reply

If foreign IC were spying on the Russians and picked up Trump, could they have shared that with US IC? Yes.

Did this happen? Possible. Don't know.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-17 11:37 PM | Reply

"In other words, nobody in the Intelligence Community was spying on the Republican candidate or president-elect, period. While it seems highly likely that members of Trump's inner circle -- perhaps even the president himself -- wound up on the radar of NSA and other Western spy agencies due to their frequent chats with senior Kremlin officials, in no way were the Americans the intended target of that intelligence collection, which was legal and legitimate under our laws."

observer.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-18 12:23 AM | Reply

You cannot have it both ways. I point you to Mr. Steele. He was paid by both sides.

#32 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-18 12:27 AM | Reply

Steele wasn't a British agent when he worked for the GOP and then the Dems. The article linked to in #31 is talking about active foreign IC surveillance, not the Steele dossier.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-18 12:32 AM | Reply

This is what the early reporting from Heat Street claimed:

"The FISA warrant was granted in connection with the investigation of suspected activity between the server and two banks, SVB Bank and Alfa Bank. However, it is thought in the intelligence community that the warrant covers any ‘US person' connected to this investigation, and thus covers Donald Trump and at least three further men who have either formed part of his campaign or acted as his media surrogates."

But according to the report, the FISA warrant wasn't asking for wiretapping or other surveillance at Trump Tower; it was asking to legally review info from foreign IC:

"The warrant was sought, they say, because actionable intelligence on the matter provided by friendly foreign agencies could not properly be examined without a warrant by US intelligence as it involves ‘US Persons' who come under the remit of the FBI and not the CIA. Should a counter-intelligence investigation lead to criminal prosecutions, sources say, the Justice Department is concerned that the chain of evidence have a basis in a clear warrant."

heatst.com

That's the reporting.

Is it accurate? Possible. Don't know.

Personally, I don't think Trump himself will be implicated in anything. Some of his team might be. Don't know.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-18 12:42 AM | Reply

GAL

"I don't think Trump himself will be implicated in anything."

You're right. In a court of law, it would be a hard case to prove. But not so in a Senate impeachment trial where the only charge Trump would face is a subjective opinion of the Senate that he is morally unfit for office.

Trump seems to be making their case for them.


#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-18 04:12 AM | Reply

GAL

I'm not optimistic that the impeachment scenario will play itself out in a GOP controlled congress. It might not even be necessary. The mid-terms are notorious for righting a sinking ship. It's the court of public opinion that will win the day when they have the opportunity to give a thumbs up/thumbs down judgment on their reps and senators who are paid to represent them and not some loony-tune freak show in the Oval Office.

As I've said before, Congress only turns tail when they get it caught in a wringer. They'll be doing plenty of CYA before the mid-terms to convince their base that they were against Trump the whole time. But even that may not help them this time if their vote for Trump's phony health insurance bill belies their words.

Fool me once, shame on me.
Try to fool me again and . . . well, you know the rest of the story. And yes, I am aware of the public's appetite for pablum. The coal miners in Appalachia territory are living evidence of that.

#36 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-18 06:18 AM | Reply

I'm not optimistic that the impeachment scenario will play itself out in a GOP controlled congress.
#36 | Posted by Twinpac

If you think the left was upset about Trump's win over Hillary. If Trump doesn't complete his term for any reason, try to imagine the left's reaction times ten.

#37 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 07:59 AM | Reply

RAY

If by "reaction" you mean dancing in the streets, I agree with you. But it won't be just the left doing the dancing. The sigh of relief all over the world will be audible and nobody will blame them.

BTW, welcome back. What took you so long? We thought maybe you got kicked in the head by a cow.

#38 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-18 12:41 PM | Reply

BTW, welcome back. What took you so long? We thought maybe you got kicked in the head by a cow.

Thanks. I burned out. It wasn't fun anymore. To my surprise, Rcade didn't close out my account. All I had to do was log in.

If it stops being fun again, then I'll leave again.

The sigh of relief all over the world will be audible and nobody will blame them.'

I was thinking about the Trumpeteers who'll be rioting with guns and knives if Trump doesn't complete his term.

#39 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 01:18 PM | Reply

RAY

They'll be doing that anyway when they find out that Trump has cut off their bennies. ~ LOL

#40 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-18 02:37 PM | Reply

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