Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, March 18, 2017

President Trump did not extend his hand to shake German Chancellor Angela Merkel's in a Friday Oval Office photo op, a courtesy he usually extends to foreign leaders visiting the white House. Trump sat next to Merkel in front of a fireplace for the brief photo-op. "Very good," Trump said to assembled reporters when asked about what the two leaders discussed. "Lots of things." "Very good, thanks," Merkel said in German. But Trump hardly looked at Merkel and, when the photo op ended, didn't move in for a handshake. When reporters asked whether there would be a handshake, Merkel leaned in and appeared to ask, "Do you want to have a handshake?" Trump did not even look back at her.

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By contrast, the president did shake hands with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and British Prime Minister Theresa May when they visited him in the Oval Office.

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Is this the embarrassment you self-called-conservatives felt when Obama appeared to be bowing?

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-17 03:21 PM | Reply

So awkward....

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-17 03:39 PM | Reply

Aw....Big Bad Angela hurt Widdle Donald's feelings. No wonder he's talking war to North Korea.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He also complemented Germany on a "trade deal with US" that doesn't exist.

Yup, "master negotiator"

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-03-17 06:04 PM | Reply

Trump is not only a liar and a buffoon. He is also an ill mannered liar and buffoon. Shake the lady's hand you p-o-s.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-03-17 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Merkel has a Phd in quantum chemistry, little d only likes airheads.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-17 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

time.com

This video !!!!!!!

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-17 06:52 PM | Reply

That was just rude and stupid on trumps part.

#8 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-17 07:10 PM | Reply

#8

In other words, the real Donald Trump.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As of right now Lord Damp Nut has been weighed, measured, and found wanting by Merkel...Congratulations 'Merica...you got this for a leader !

#10 | Posted by ghoti at 2017-03-17 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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i read they did before and after.

i'm sure Merkel didn't want the traditional "between two ferns" photo-op shake.

#11 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-03-17 08:09 PM | Reply

and BLOTUS is immediately off to Mar-a-Mango, with Abe!

if that's true, Abe needs to get back to Japan. 🇯🇵

#12 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-03-17 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When will this nightmare end?

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-17 08:37 PM | Reply

#11 see #7 and judge for yourself.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-17 09:01 PM | Reply

Trimp is a jerk. It's embarrassing.

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-17 09:02 PM | Reply

That's what American power looks like. Trump had Merkel off balance and wanting.

#16 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-03-18 12:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Trimp is a jerk. It's embarrassing.

A jerk?

He looked like the amateur douchtard he is in that clip.

The look on his mouth breathing face said it all.

He was out of his league and he knew it. That she's a women caused double the insecurity.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-18 12:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

That's what American power looks like.

Sad.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-18 12:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.youtube.com

Sorry... forgot to do the link properly in the intro.

#19 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-18 02:27 AM | Reply

Trump's family hails from Kallstadt, a tidy village nestled in southwest Germany's lush wine country. His grandparents left for America more than a century ago fleeing poverty and later, after a brief return, trouble with the law.

So of course they ended up in Trumpistan, the last refuge of cheats and scoundrels escaping the law in their own countries.

#20 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-03-18 02:29 AM | Reply

"That's what American power looks like."

That's not what power looks like, that's what a pretender looks like. God help us whenever we have a real crisis because Trump is not up to the task of dealing with it. Neither is Pence and the Cabinet.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-18 08:38 AM | Reply

Even simple acts of diplomacy are too much for this clown.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Even simple acts of diplomacy are too much for this clown.
#22 | Posted by rcade

Between Trump and the left wing media, it's a two ring circus.

#23 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 09:34 AM | Reply

That's not what power looks like, that's what a pretender looks like. God help us whenever we have a real crisis because Trump is not up to the task of dealing with it. Neither is Pence and the Cabinet.
#21 | Posted by danni

Jesus Christ couldn't save this bankrupt economy from imploding.

#24 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 09:36 AM | Reply

Between Trump and the left wing media, it's a two ring circus.

The media has nothing to do with Trump's inability to shake the hand of the leader of Germany after inviting her to the White House.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

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Boy, sure looks like a hand shake to me!

#26 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The media has nothing to do with Trump's inability to shake the hand of the leader of Germany after inviting her to the White House.
#25 | Posted by rcade

That wasn't my point. I think the corporate media's relentless attempts to delegitimize Trump is not going to come to any good. The charges are so stupid as to be laughable.

IMO by not shaking Merkel's hand, Trump is showing disapproval for her immigration policies. It fits with his promise to limit immigration. It's certainly popular with his supporters.

#27 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 10:30 AM | Reply

Boy, sure looks like a hand shake to me!
#26 | Posted by Crassus

The fake media is working hard to maintain their reputation. LOL!

What say you, Rcade?

#28 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 10:34 AM | Reply

In not shaking her hand he showed he's 100% -------.
That's all he showed.
That and he's a despicable POS. Already knew that, though.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 10:36 AM | Reply

#26 - there were handshakes before the meeting. That's been covered. You and Ray really aren't following this so you're both looking silly now.
See #7.
Figure out the chronology, ferchrissake.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless part of this video was cut off, neither attempted a handshake.

www.youtube.com

That and he's a despicable POS. Already knew that, though.
#29 | Posted by YAV

To be fair, they're both POS. But hey. What politician isn't?

#31 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What say you, Rcade?

I say watch the video where Merkel asks him for a handshake in the Oval Office and he ignores her request, which is what we're talking about.

Surely you recognize that it is a diplomatic faux pas to be asked for a handshake by a foreign leader you've invited to the White House and not do it. Germany's a powerful ally. We don't need the aggravation of this visible snub, nor do we need people thinking it is an intentional snub like you did earlier in this discussion. It doesn't help the U.S. in any way.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You and Ray really aren't following this so you're both looking silly now.
#30 | Posted by YAV

That's because I have a life. These details are so trivial as to be meaningless.

#33 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#32 - that video in #7 is full and unedited, and it's all over now. Bruce was right on it with that post. There's no ambiguity.
As to the handshake images Crassus posted, here's context with both of them (cycle through the images with the arrow):
www.sacbee.com

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 10:46 AM | Reply

It's pretty funny to see this story blamed on liberal media bias when the link is the New York Post.

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

a gripping and shaking of right hands by two individuals, as to symbolize greeting, congratulation, agreement, or farewell.

Was this situation of supposed refusal any of these?

#36 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 10:50 AM | Reply

I say watch the video where Merkel asks him for a handshake in the Oval Office and he ignores her request, which is what we're talking about.
#32 | Posted by rcade

I'll take your word for it.

#37 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 10:55 AM | Reply

#36 - that's quite a dodge, there, Crassus! ROFL!

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 10:57 AM | Reply

"a gripping and shaking of right hands by two individuals, as to symbolize greeting, congratulation, agreement, or farewell."

That is not a total description of the meaning of a handshake by any means. A refusal to shake the hand of the leader of a major ally is just amateurish, we don't want an amateur like Trump running our foreign policy. It's f*****g dangerous.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-18 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | Posted by danni

Just for fun.

Obama Bows to the King of Saudi Arabia. But Not to Queen Elizabeth II. His Lord and Master?
www.youtube.com

#40 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 11:04 AM | Reply

No dodge it is fact, and as a business man myself it brought me to this for the reasons why I shake someones hand.

Frankly, I could careless here but just adding some common sense context to the situation.

This is nothing more than PSW nitpicking.

#41 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:06 AM | Reply

--He was out of his league and he knew it. That she's a women caused double the insecurity.

Or maybe he just converted to Islam.
www.independent.co.uk

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-03-18 11:06 AM | Reply

#40 - enough time for that, but not to watch the

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 11:06 AM | Reply

A man who won't shake hands is communicating that you're an enemy. I'm pretty sure the Germans will see it that way.

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-18 11:07 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

#45 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:08 AM | Reply

Here's another one.

Queen humiliates President Obama at Buckingham Palace by refusing toast - May 24 2011

www.youtube.com

#46 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 11:08 AM | Reply

I love that there's an argument now about whether the handshake was necessary.

Merkel is the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world and a longtime U.S. ally. We've needed them, and they've needed us, many times over the last 50 years.

Why invite her and then snub her handshake offer? That doesn't make any sense at all.

The best-case scenario here is that he did it unintentionally, but that just makes him seem like a blundering fool. How hard is it to pay attention when you're sitting in the Oval Office with the leader of Germany and the media is taking pictures?

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 11:08 AM | Reply

#41 - you don't care, but you nitpick a definition on handshake, ignoring the what happened and the video?

That dog don't hunt, "business man."

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 11:09 AM | Reply

I love how Ray won't take less than 2 minutes to watch the video, but has all this time to post all these other videos.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

last comment on this subject, not ignoring anything but the gesture of a handshake has meaning and apparently it is being ignored here.

#50 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:10 AM | Reply

A man who won't shake hands is communicating that you're an enemy. I'm pretty sure the Germans will see it that way.
#44 | Posted by Zed

And all this time, I thought the Russians would start WWIII.

Turkish Daily Cover Displays Angela Merkel As Hitler

wearechange.org

#51 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 11:11 AM | Reply

I love how Ray won't take less than 2 minutes to watch the video, but has all this time to post all these other videos.
#49 | Posted by YAV

In the heat of passion, I watched the video.
It looked to me like Merkel was asking for a bathroom break.

#52 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 11:13 AM | Reply

#52 - So when you said you're back "older and wiser" that was code for "total moron?"

Got it.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 11:15 AM | Reply

Y'all have fun. I have errands to run.

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-18 11:17 AM | Reply

So when you said you're back "older and wiser" that was code for "total moron?"
#53 | Posted by YAV

When I was young and naive, I took you people seriously.

#55 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 11:18 AM | Reply

last comment on this subject, not ignoring anything but the gesture of a handshake has meaning and apparently it is being ignored here.

Trump's thought process, according to Crassus: "Merkel has asked me for a handshake in front of all these photographers, but this is not a moment of greeting, congratulation, agreement or farewell. I can't shake her hand if it's not one of those four categories!"

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-18 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So when you said you're back "older and wiser" that was code for "total moron?"

Must be a new YAV, cause what I remember about the old YAV would have never posted such a comment attacking a person.

#57 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:21 AM | Reply

Yep, trump was wrong should have shaken hand! Bad of me!

#58 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:23 AM | Reply

Trump's thought process, according to Crassus:

Well now, the leader's example has been set!

#59 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 11:29 AM | Reply

Anyone think Trump would have acted this way with Putin?

#60 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-18 11:30 AM | Reply

Trump's tweets are a hoot.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago
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Despite what you have heard from the FAKE NEWS, I had a GREAT meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Nevertheless, Germany owes.....

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago
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...vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany!

Not hard to imagine Merkel's reaction. Like asking Mexico to pay for the wall.

#61 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 12:20 PM | Reply

Must see. Merkel has the hots for Ivanka.

russia-insider.com

#62 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 12:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The still at the top of the page is priceless. It's like Merkel is the cat that ate the canary and Drumpf is the canary. She knows something, or has something. My guess is German intelligence has the pee tapes, and she's just told Drumpf about it, lol

#63 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-03-18 02:45 PM | Reply

Jesus, the excuses made for Trump on this thread. You can't admit he's a clown? Why are you defending him?

#64 | Posted by cbob at 2017-03-18 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AT least he didn't try to grab her crotch. That's something.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-18 09:05 PM | Reply


No, Germany doesn't owe America 'vast sums' of money for NATO

www.washingtonpost.com

Trump's is the Tommy Flanagan Presidency.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-18 09:08 PM | Reply

Trump Refuses to Apologize, Drags Germany into Absurd Wiretapping Lie

www.vanityfair.com

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-18 09:10 PM | Reply

To make the principle work, all countries are expected to chip in. NATO's official guidelines say member states should spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense.

Of the 28 countries in the alliance, only five -- the U.S., Greece, Poland, Estonia and the U.K. -- meet the target.

The rest lag behind. Germany spent 1.18% of its GDP on defense last year, France forked out 1.8%.
money.cnn.com


Seems here Germany does owe.

#68 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 09:28 PM | Reply

#68

What nation in the world could respect Donald after today? People are laughing their asses off.

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-18 09:31 PM | Reply

Jesus, the excuses made for Trump on this thread. You can't admit he's a clown? Why are you defending him?
#64 | Posted by cbob

Speaking for myself, it's more like a I don't give a ----. It's too petty to merit this much attention.

#70 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 09:32 PM | Reply

What nation in the world could respect Donald after today? People are laughing their asses off.
#69 | Posted by Zed

Like when Obama bowed before the King of Saudi Arabia. Video on #40.
Or when Queen Elizabeth snubbed him in #46.

#71 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-18 09:38 PM | Reply

Screw those nazi shapeshifters. and their overpriced cars too.

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-18 09:53 PM | Reply

Screw those nazi shapeshifters. and their overpriced cars too.

Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-18 09:53 PM | Reply

The president doesn't shake the hands of world leaders for himself. The president is shaking their hands for all of us. It's protocol.

#73 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-18 09:56 PM | Reply

You mean Trump wouldn't obey the commands of some media flunky? Wow! That's terrible.

#74 | Posted by Marcus at 2017-03-18 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

TrumpHumpers Unite!!

Trump: "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"

www.cnn.com

That's proven daily around here. He can lie as much as he wants.... shoot somebody if he wants... and some of you clowns wouldn't give a damn as long as you make the Zombie Ayn Rand and Paul "Eddie Munster" Ryan happy.

When his 80k Rust Belt voters that elected him have less health care and see their tax cuts go to billionaires, he's going to have a hard time getting past the midterms, much less re-election.

Of course, he plans to be a War Pres like GW by then.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-18 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Speaking for myself, it's more like a I don't give a ----. It's too petty to merit this much attention.

#70 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2017-03-18 09:32 PM | FLAG: "

For someone who doesn't give a ----, you sure do post a lot. I hate to think how many posts you would write if you were interested.

Forget everything else, Trump's reaction was impolite and crass - in other words, just another day at the office.

#76 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-18 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

She woulda hadda count her fingers after if they shook hands.

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-19 12:31 AM | Reply

Is there any video of Trump doing his hard core handshake to a woman? Maybe that's why he refused to do the final handshake with her. He knew the hand-jerk inward to the body wouldn't have looked good with a woman. So he refused altogether when he realized that's all he wanted to do in order to assert dominance - jerk that bitch's hand SO hard that she ---- her undies.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-19 03:38 AM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY RAY

Yeah, just like Ivanka wants to boink Trudeau from here to next Tuesday. So funny how those two articles parallel each other so adequately.

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-19 03:40 AM | Reply

For someone who doesn't give a ----, you sure do post a lot. I hate to think how many posts you would write if you were interested.
#76 | Posted by Foreigner

My posts are not about Trump's reaction to Merkel, but the left's reaction to Trump.
If you people had any sense of logic, you would gloat at every mistake he makes. But because leftists are control freaks, and Trump is not one of them, they nitpick at the slightest offense.

By midterm, we'll know if it's working or not.

#80 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 07:52 AM | Reply

"You would gloat at every mistake he makes."

Like you'd gloat at every mistake you're car mechanic would make?

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 08:32 AM | Reply

Ray, I agree, they have to find every negative they can if there really isn't they will make one up.

#82 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 09:12 AM | Reply

#82

Not had to make anything up so far.

If Donald substituted salt for sugar in cake recipe you'd see genius.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 09:16 AM | Reply

If Donald substituted salt for sugar in cake recipe you'd see genius.

No, I would see he substituted salt for sugar, nothing more. You on the other hand would make up some kind of story about how trump is trying to kill people with high blood pressure with the substitution.

#84 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 09:21 AM | Reply

Like you'd gloat at every mistake you're car mechanic would make?
#81 | Posted by Zed

There's deep difference between you and me, Zed.

A car is my property. With government, I'm standing on the sidelines watching it self destruct.

You define yourself in terms of the state. Most probably you have a government job. My first guess it would have something to do with law enforcement.

#85 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 09:26 AM | Reply

Hey, RAY. Thought you were dead.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 09:36 AM | Reply

#84

I, on the other hand, don't make those sorts of mistakes.

Then again, I like cakes. Moreover, I'm the one likely to eat it.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 09:39 AM | Reply

Hey, RAY. Thought you were dead.
#86 | Posted by Zed

Some people welcome me back. You greet me with a "I thought you were dead."

Sounds like you're projecting.

#88 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 09:47 AM | Reply

#88

Projection?

Sure, I confuse myself with dead all the time.

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 09:49 AM | Reply

Ray, it is nice having you back, it is much needed for different points of view.

#90 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 09:51 AM | Reply

People just shake hands. It's ordinary human behavior. Unless you want to send a message

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-19 09:59 AM | Reply

People shake hands for a reason, it's ordinary reasonable behavior, just have to know those reasons.

#92 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 10:01 AM | Reply

Having Ray back means that we have an UberFreeMarket Goattroll. I could be wrong but I think what Zed meant to say was "we hoped you were dead".

#93 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-03-19 10:05 AM | Reply

Having Ray back means we will get a different point of view from the one sided agreement that seems to permeate here.

#94 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 10:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

UberFreeMarket

I think Uber is great, now that is the best of the USA's free market. Taxi's are way too expensive and deserve the Competition.

#95 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 10:15 AM | Reply

People just shake hands. It's ordinary human behavior. Unless you want to send a message
#91 | Posted by Zed

Now you're getting warm. Merkel is the poster boy for the wave of immigrants flooding into the Europe.
It fits with Trump's populist message of keeping out Middle East immigrants.

There was a similar incident in France with Marine le pen for refusing to put on a headscarf for some Sunni religious leader.

www.aljazeera.com

#96 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 10:19 AM | Reply

I could be wrong but I think what Zed meant to say was "we hoped you were dead".
#93 | Posted by Reagan58

Bingo!!!

Zed didn't get what I meant by projecting.

#97 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 10:22 AM | Reply

"People shake hands for a reason, it's ordinary reasonable behavior, just have to know those reasons.

#92 | POSTED BY CRASSUS AT 2017-03-19 10:01 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

People do indeed shake hands for a reason. In this case the reason was that the 2 leaders had been asked to shake hands to provide a photo opportunity. For 2 of the world's top political leaders, who have made themselves available for a press conference/photo op, shaking hands is " ordinary, reasonable behavior" and part of the job description.

Refusing to shake hands under such circumstances is not reasonable behavior. Embarrassing another world leader under the full glare of the world's press during the first official meeting is not usually considered part of a new President's job.

As for the idea put forward on this thread that Trump did it as a protest against Germany's immigration policy, well, anything is possible. But far more likely in my view is that, behind closed doors, the meetings were not to Trump's liking and he found Merkel treated him as an equal, not a king. Because he has virtually zero impulse control and no experience for the job he now has, he simply cannot pull it together to act Presidential when to do so is required, but also requires him to act against his petulant emotions.

#98 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-19 11:26 AM | Reply

Because he has virtually zero impulse control and no experience for the job he now has, he simply cannot pull it together to act Presidential when to do so is required, but also requires him to act against his petulant emotions.
#98 | Posted by Foreigner

Paradoxically, that's what his supporters like about him. It's in contrast to unemotional politicians who lie chronically. Let me put it this way: Populists are from Venus. Statists are from Mars.

#99 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 11:45 AM | Reply

"It's in contrast to unemotional politicians who lie chronically."

Yes, in that DJT is an emotional non-politician who lies chronically.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-03-19 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#99 - You are probably right about why his supporters like him, but I don't recall anyone suggesting that the bulk of his supporters have a deep, or indeed any, grasp of what is required to manage a country as diverse and complex as the US, or its place in the world. They won, but is that good for all of America? Is it good for the 260m Americans who did not vote for Trump? Is it even good for them, many of whom will feel the worse impacts of proposed GOP policies if they follow through on them?

Time will tell as you suggest but I fail to see how the start of Trumps'a administration can be seen as anything but a shambles. If it wasn't clear before, it is becoming increasingly so now that all Trump is concerned about is how he is perceived as President, not how he actually performs. In this regard your suggestion that his supporters are concerned about politicians lying made me smile. Trump has set world records for lying and doing so in the most obvious and refutable way. His supporters have demonstrated time and again that they don't care about lying - as long as it is their guy doing it.

#101 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-19 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's in contrast to unemotional politicians who lie chronically.

Ray prefers the hyper emotional, reality television star, petulant child, spoiled brat, who habitually lies.

Thanks Ray. Donnie is your type of guy.

You're the perfect useful idiot.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 12:51 PM | Reply

I don't recall anyone suggesting that the bulk of his supporters have a deep, or indeed any, grasp of what is required to manage a country as diverse and complex as the US, or its place in the world. They won, but is that good for all of America?
#101 | Posted by Foreigner

When economies collapse, the working class is the first to feel the effects. The War on Terror has them afraid of Muslim immigrants. They can't find jobs. The middle class has been getting progressively poorer since the 70s. It's all decreased their tolerance to taxes.

Trump has set world records for lying and doing so in the most obvious and refutable way. His supporters have demonstrated time and again that they don't care about lying - as long as it is their guy doing it.

Elections are a kind of lying contest. The most convincing liar wins. I would advise to see Trump's presidency as symptomatic of a deepening rift between the working class and the privileged class.

A comparable time in history would be France before the revolution. I see early signs of this country breaking up into pieces.

#103 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 12:52 PM | Reply

#101 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER AT 2017-03-19 12:24 PM | FLAG: Outstandingly Newsworthy!!

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 12:53 PM | Reply

Thanks Ray. Donnie is your type of guy.
You're the perfect useful idiot.
#102 | Posted by ClownShack

See #103.

#105 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 12:54 PM | Reply

The War on Terror has them afraid of Muslim immigrants.

Donnie Dump has them afraid of Muslim immigrants.

They can't find jobs.

Thanks to off shoring, outsourcing and automation.

The middle class has been getting progressively poorer since the 70s.

Thanks to tax cuts for the rich. Deregulations. Dismantling of unions...

Elections are a kind of lying contest.

They shouldn't be. It's why people like Bernie Sanders are doing so well. Unfortunately not enough people knew who he was last election. They will in the next one...

The most convincing liar wins.

Congratulations to Donnie Dumpf. Habitual liar of the century award.

I see early signs of this country breaking up into pieces.

Donnie is America's death knoll.

#106 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 01:02 PM | Reply

Yes, in that DJT is an emotional non-politician who lies chronically.
#100 | Posted by Danforth

And it worked.

I'm not defending him. I'm looking at Trump from a populist perspective.

#107 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 01:06 PM | Reply

Donnie is America's death knoll.
#106 | Posted by ClownShack

America's decline began long before Trump. It was Louis XVI who got beheaded. But Frances's monetary problems began with Louis XIV who spent the country into bankruptcy.

They shouldn't be. It's why people like Bernie Sanders are doing so well. Unfortunately not enough people knew who he was last election. They will in the next one..

Sanders is another lying tax and spend politician. Only his message was more appealing to leftists.

You have no idea how broke and deep in debt this country is.

#108 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 01:17 PM | Reply

You have no idea how broke and deep in debt this country is.

So. The thing to do is give a ton of tax breaks to the rich. Spend tax payer dollars on vacations and housing your wife and child. And building a wall. Not to mention increasing military spending.

I guess Donnie saw what was left in the Treasury and figured, "That should last me four years."

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 01:22 PM | Reply

"At its heart, paying income taxes is prosocial behavior – acting to help others with no clear tangible benefit to oneself, and many people enjoy doing it.

Economists Iwan Djanali and Damien Sheehan-Connor call this idea the "tax affinity hypothesis." In some ways (but not all), the psychological consequences of paying taxes are similar to those of giving money to a charitable cause. The supported "cause" in the case of taxes is the continued functioning of the government and the advancement of its projects that serve the common good.

Social psychological and behavioral economics research indicates there are at least three motivations for prosocial giving that explain why people like paying taxes."

www.psychologytoday.com

Not everyone is a Randian Objectivist with a sociopathic need to reject the concept of "the other" as in other people existing in their same realm.

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-19 01:24 PM | Reply

Sanders is another lying tax and spend politician.

Sanders is lying? About what? Citation necessary.

As far as tax and spend. I'd prefer to Donnie's spend and spend.

It's seems Republicans are absolutely clueless about how a healthy government functions.

The only way for a powerful government to work is it need money.

Starving ourselves isn't the solution Republicans believe it to be.

#111 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 01:26 PM | Reply

So. The thing to do is give a ton of tax breaks to the rich. Spend tax payer dollars on vacations and housing your wife and child. And building a wall. Not to mention increasing military spending.
I guess Donnie saw what was left in the Treasury and figured, "That should last me four years."
#109 | Posted by ClownShack

First of all, the raison d'être for every government since at least to the beginning of written history is to serve the rich as the expense of the poor. Our Constitution was written by wealthy farmers, merchants and bankers. So either you accept the state or you disavow it.

Sanders is lying? About what? Citation necessary.

About all the free money he was going to give away. ALL politicians lie. It's clowns like you who can't see through the fog.

The Modus Operandi of government is to rob Peter to pay Paul. It's the biggest Ponzi scam in the history of the human race. I'd hate to be dependent on government when this thing caves in,.

#112 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 01:42 PM | Reply

#112

What an absolute non answer. Really a waste of both of our times.

Our country became great thanks to FDR's new deal where the stagnant wealth hoarded by the rich was redistributed amongst the people who helped created the wealth in the first place, the laborers.

This helped create the middle class. And the middle class did an outstanding job of keeping money in circulation. Helping America become a powerful nation.

Ever since Reagan. The rich have usurped our government. And once again they have hoarded money and left it stagnant. Which is choking our economy and weakening our nation.

Donnie came into power by claiming he has no obligation to help the rich. He was rich. So he wouldn't need them. He was planning on fighting for average Americans.

Yea right.

As for Sanders lying. I asked for citations. Not your bloviations.

#113 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 02:09 PM | Reply

#113 | Posted by ClownShack

I can tell when I see someone whose been indoctrinated by state propaganda.

No point to my wasting any more time.

#114 | Posted by Ray at 2017-03-19 02:33 PM | Reply

POSTED BY RAY

I asked you for citation on your lies and you can't provide any.

Go sell stupid elsewhere.

Not sure why you came back.

You weren't missed.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Donald only grabs women by one spot and it is not their hands.

#116 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-03-20 12:32 AM | Reply

#115 He's back to sell his book "Dow 1200....errr...ooops!"

#117 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-20 08:51 AM | Reply

As Jon Oliver said
"Just shake her hand you weird weird man"

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-20 08:57 AM | Reply

Merkel does not matter. She is toast in the next election. Her approval rating in the BDR makes Trump's look huuuge. It might have something to do with the half a million refugees they shoehorned into that country.

#119 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 11:22 AM | Reply

Merkel does not matter.

#119 | Posted by docnjo at 2017

Nah. It couldn't be that the German people would take offense at Donald making an ass of himself for the benefit of a German Chancellor.

Just like you wouldn't be offended if Merkel acted an ass towards him.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-20 11:30 AM | Reply

The only way for a powerful government to work is it need money. - #111 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-19 01:26 PM

The US didn't have a personal income tax until the 1860's. Was the government unable to work prior to then, was it not 'powerful', or was there perhaps some other method of obtaining the funds that it needed to work, do you think?

#121 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-03-20 11:32 AM | Reply

#120 | Posted by Zed Actually, his refusal to shake her hand, which I do not know if he actually did or not, would have probity raised their esteem of Trump. Even the Christian Democrats are trying to unload this albatross from their necks.

#122 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 11:38 AM | Reply

Actually, his refusal to shake her hand, which I do not know if he actually did or not, would have probity raised their esteem of Trump.

#122 | Posted by docnjo at 2017

Actually, I think that's one of the silliest things I have ever heard.

#123 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-20 12:02 PM | Reply

#123 | Posted by Zed Why not read some news from Germany?

#124 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 12:24 PM | Reply

Why not read some news from Germany?

#124 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 12

Whether Merkel gets re-elected or not has nothing to do with treating her like an ally and a human being.

I'm not dumbing down standards of ordinary politeness because Trump.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-20 12:26 PM | Reply

With "allies" like Merkel, we hardly need enemies. She is less a friend to the US than De Gall was. Remember, she was happy to be a member of the Communist party until the wall came down.

#126 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 04:23 PM | Reply

#126 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03

Bizarre.

#127 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-20 05:00 PM | Reply

#127 | Posted by Zed, Reality is becoming more so every day.

#128 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-21 02:04 AM | Reply

If Donnie "macho man" Dump shook Angela'a hand, he'd have torn it off.

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 02:52 AM | Reply

Was the government unable to work prior to then, was it not 'powerful',

Yes.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-21 02:53 AM | Reply

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