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Thursday, March 16, 2017

Sebastian Gorka, President Trump's top counter-terrorism adviser, is a formal member of a Hungarian far-right group that is listed by the U.S. State Department as having been "under the direction of the Nazi Government of Germany" during World War II, leaders of the organization have told the Forward. The elite order, known as the Vitézi Rend, was established as a loyalist group by Admiral Miklos Horthy, who ruled Hungary as a staunch nationalist from 1920 to October 1944. A self-confessed anti-Semite, Horthy imposed restrictive Jewish laws prior to World War II and collaborated with Hitler during the conflict. ... Gorka's membership in the organization -- if these Vitézi Rend leaders are correct, and if Gorka did not disclose this when he entered the United States as an immigrant -- could have implications for his immigration status. The State Department's Foreign Affairs Manual specifies that members of the Vitézi Rend "are presumed to be inadmissible" to the country under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

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It appears that neither Mr Gorka nor the White House is responding to requests for clarification on this matter.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-16 03:51 PM | Reply

Well this piece of news will certainly discredit Trump with even his most ardent supporters, wink wink.

#2 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-03-16 03:53 PM | Reply

More and more Alt-Righters getting exposed in the Trump Administration. Defend away Trumpites.

#3 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-03-16 04:12 PM | Reply

After reading this article... Better add Hungarians to the list of banned countries on the next EO. They did a poor job of vetting him if he is still a member of the party. Actually I believe this makes him eligible to have his citizenship stripped and deported... Like the low level troops they are now persecuting from WWII in Germany that came to the US.

#4 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-03-16 04:24 PM | Reply

Bannon needed a playmate.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 04:31 PM | Reply

this brings a sparkle in the eyes of all of trump's supporters... nazis love nazis.

#6 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-03-16 04:47 PM | Reply

Tale of Trump Advisor's Alleged Nazi Ties Unravels

www.tabletmag.com

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-03-16 04:53 PM | Reply

Again, if the far left wackos keep this crap up the dems will not get back into power for the foreseeable future. So keep it up and enjoy the next eight years.

#8 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-16 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lol. This seems silly, but so does the article claiming to debunk the story describing this dude wearing his dad's Nazi medal to Trump's inauguration as "touching." So much doucheiness to go around.

#9 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-03-16 05:36 PM | Reply

Nullifidian: The link you claim unravels this story includes this sentence: "he wore his father's Vitezi Rend medal to President Trump's inauguration."

So a member of the far-right Nazi-loving group says Gorka was a member and Gorka wore the far-right Nazi-loving group's medal to Trump's inauguration, but Gorka had nothing to do with that far-right Nazi-loving group.

Of course!

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-16 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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--So much doucheiness to go around.

No doubt about it, Monte. Given the propensity of 90% of the DR to believe anything critical of the Trump administration without further investigation, I thought a different opinion--from someone who isn't a Trumpist, would be useful.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-03-16 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 | Posted by nullifidian

So he wore his father's Vitézi Rend medal to the inauguration realizing the group is associated with Nazis? Look Hungary has been a hot bed of Far right for quite a while. If you have a political once of sense why would you do that? Honor his father my butt more like sending a message.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-03-16 06:06 PM | Reply

"I thought a different opinion--from someone who isn't a Trumpist, would be useful.
#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN"

Agreed!

#14 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-03-16 06:49 PM | Reply

So he wore his father's Vitézi Rend medal to the inauguration realizing the group is associated with Nazis?

#12 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Because he wanted to show how little he supports them.
-Trumpers

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-16 06:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The article is actually very well sourced:

"Gorka, who pledged his loyalty to the United States when he took American citizenship in 2012, is himself a sworn member of the Vitézi Rend, according to both Gyula Soltész -- a high-ranking member of the Vitézi Rend's central apparatus -- and Kornél Pintér -- a leader of the Vitézi Rend in Western Hungary who befriended Gorka's father through their activities in the Vitézi Rend."

Time to get over it, Trumpers.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-16 06:53 PM | Reply

Again, if the far left wackos keep this crap up the dems will not get back into power for the foreseeable future. So keep it up and enjoy the next eight years.

#8 | POSTED BY BLAKE914

Absolutely, apparently the stream of endless and inconceivable conspiracy assumptions have no end in sight. Fortunately, for those on the far left a few are attempting to return from the cold bleak wilderness: townhall.com

#17 | Posted by Kaikane at 2017-03-16 06:58 PM | Reply

Again, if the far left wackos keep this crap up the dems will not get back into power for the foreseeable future.

Why do you pretend to know or care what it takes for Democrats to win? You don't want us to win. Your opinion on what we should do is like Bill Belichick telling the New York Jets how to draft.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-16 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#17 | Posted by Kaikane at 2017-03-16 06:58 PM

Townhall?

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-16 07:23 PM | Reply

#8 - This story is almost as far fetched as the president not being an american citizen, and conspiracy theories on his actual country of birth. You would think that sort of thing would keep a party out of power.

Maybe the left is finally taking the gloves off. If they tell a story long enough it won't matter if it is true or not. If only the idea that trumps administration is cozy with Nazis gets stuck in the minds of enough people it will hurt trump. Sounds alot like the rights playbook.

#20 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-03-16 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

...Bill Belichick telling the New York Jets how to draft.
#18 | POSTED BY RCADE

That would explain a lot about the Jets as of late.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-16 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

= without further investigation,

Liel Leibovitz wants to excommunicate most American Jews, beginning with Beinart - See more at:

mondoweiss.net

"A decade ago, while serving in the Israel Defense Forces, a bit of my behind was blown off in Lebanon."

In Tablet, he noted he served in the IDF public affairs unit. In other words, his job was to feed information flattering to the IDF to journalists. He's a hasbara specialist, not a combat soldier. So unless he was wounded in an incident totally unrelated to his actual duties, it's quite possible he's lying.

www.richardsilverstein.com

The author of the article you posted has his own problems with facts, and is a propagandist for the IDF, not a journalist.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 07:39 PM | Reply

Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past.

972mag.com

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 07:41 PM | Reply

--Liel Leibovitz wants to excommunicate most American Jews, beginning with Beinart - See more at:

mondoweiss.net"

"Mondoweiss" is a hate site (UPDATED)
www.washingtonpost.com

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-03-16 07:46 PM | Reply

I like when the fake news/headlines get moved down the line then off the page very fast to make room for some more. Its sad. I used to really enjoy this site and learned a lot about different topics and subjects.

#26 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-16 08:04 PM | Reply

#26

You may have to start posting at trumphumpers.com.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I used to really enjoy this site and learned a lot about different topics and subjects.

You haven't learned how the site actually works, apparently. Headlines are moved down the page automatically. They are not moved around by an editor.

Stop calling stories "fake news" because you disagree with them. The Forward is not a fake news site. It's a reputable Jewish-American newspaper that has been around 120 years.

When you call a story "fake" because you disagree with its facts or its viewpoint, it makes you look insecure in your beliefs and unable to respond to contrary information. Trump does that all the time and it makes him look weak.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-16 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Trump does that all the time and it makes him look weak.

Why do you think the turd polishers also use it?

They're weak minded fools who follow a weak minded fool.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-16 09:36 PM | Reply

i call it "fake news" because its an everyday barrage of anything anti trump that you allow to be headlines and it gets to be so tiresome and unbelievable over time. The problem for you is that when and if there is a real crisis no will give give a sh=t because they have been so desensitized and worn down by all the trivial stupid non sh=t. That's why.

#30 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-16 09:54 PM | Reply

blake- don't pretend you'd give a ----, it's insulting. Trumps first 2 months have been a disaster. He can't even write an executive order. He's a buffoon surrounded by goldman sachs, russian advocates, and hate mongers, and you already don't give a ----.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-16 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- When you call a story "fake" because you disagree with its facts..

If they're facts at all. much has been speculation, innuendo, and dot-connecting verging on hysteria which is now being tamped down and walked back.

I don't believe for a second there is some Trump-Nazi-Russian-KKK world-wide take-down is going on. It's too fantastical.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-16 10:24 PM | Reply

Flynn lying to pence and getting fired is a fact.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-16 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sessions lying to congress is a fact.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-16 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#32

Let's consider Donald's connections to various mafias, including the Russian.

There's nothing fantastic about this at all. And if you were ever a liberal my name is Gruber.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 10:34 PM | Reply

He didn't get bernie, so now he's the joker and just wants to watch the world burn.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-16 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#30

Blake---Are you trying to break someone else's balls because Donald is an habitual liar?

Donald owns his own lack of credibility during a crisis. There's no reason to trust him further than you can spit.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 10:38 PM | Reply

The PDB obama and trump saw that alleges russia has blackmail material against donald is also real, and is another thing driving the suspicions.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-16 10:40 PM | Reply

Many of Trump's advisors are rapists--I mean racists. And some of them I'm sure are good people. /snark off

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-16 11:23 PM | Reply

i call it "fake news" because its an everyday barrage of anything anti trump that you allow to be headlines and it gets to be so tiresome and unbelievable over time. The problem for you is that when and if there is a real crisis no will give give a sh=t because they have been so desensitized and worn down by all the trivial stupid non sh=t. That's why.
#30 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-16 09:54 PM

That's exactly what many people say about Trump. Aren't you worried that his constant lying will be a problem when a real crisis occurs and no one will give a sh$t because they've been desensitized and worn down by all the trivial stupid daily drama that is President Trump?

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-16 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

en.wikipedia.org

RIGHTOCENTER = Right about nada.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 11:51 PM | Reply

#41

If Donald got on TV and announced a crisis, my first thought would be what is he getting out of it?

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 09:54 AM | Reply

Your opinion on what we should do is like Bill Belichick telling the New York Jets how to draft.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-16 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I get what you're saying but I don't think he could be as incompetent as the Jets even if he were trying to be.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 11:16 AM | Reply

"...I do know that fake news has been posted here left up after being debunked." - #45 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 11:25 AM

No, you don't "know" that.

#46 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 11:35 AM | Reply

"i call it "fake news" because ..." - #30 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-16 09:54 PM

You call it that because you're clearly unable to differentiate between that which is real and that which is not real.

So your mind arbitrarily assigns it as such. Or you've gotten your talking points for the day.

Either way, same thing.

#47 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 11:37 AM | Reply

No, you don't "know" that.

#46 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 11:35 AM | Reply

Go nip at someone else's ankles, Dummy. It has happened.

#48 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 01:34 PM | Reply

-people who excuse Soros' conduct during WWII

A 14 year old at the end of the war who followed his "godfather" to work one day while hiding from authorities?

You are prolly just myth-informed...

"This is what actually happened. Shortly after George went to live with Baumbach, the man was assigned to take inventory on the vast estate of Mor Kornfeld, an extremely wealthy aristocrat of Jewish origin. The Kornfeld family had the wealth, wisdom, and connections to be able to leave some of its belongings behind in exchange for permission to make their way to Lisbon. Baumbach was ordered to go to the Kornfeld estate and inventory the artworks, furnishings, and other property. Rather than leave his "godson" behind in Budapest for three days, he took the boy with him.

As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld's staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss."

mediamatters.org

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 01:44 PM | Reply


#49 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is a well known fact that he was involved in the confiscation of jewish property, describes it as a happy time in his life and says he doesn't regret what he did.

So the "durr, he was forced" excuse doesn't fit his own words.

You crusade against the truth used to be funny. Now its just a nuisance.

#50 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 01:54 PM | Reply

hahaha!

The Toronto Sun retracted your same claims after seeing the actual history. You, otoh, ask for a shovel.

-says he doesn't regret what he did.

What 14 year old would regret going horseback riding for the first time?

What else is it that you have evidence that he did?

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 02:15 PM | Reply

He was a CHILD. He was 14 when the war ended.

Get a life

#52 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-17 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Get a life

That must be where he's gone off to.....

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 02:42 PM | Reply

Toronto Sun? LOL. He talked about it on TV. Its still on Youtube.

And he was an adult when he said he feels no guilt about what he did.

If I had worked for the Nazis at age 14, even under threat, I would feel bad about having done so now.

You guys will excuse anything if you perceive the scumbag invovled to be on you "team". Meanwhile he looks at you as useful idiots for his currency manipulation business.

Any decent human being would feel bad about having been a Nazi henchman as an adolescent.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 02:45 PM | Reply

Wow! You did find a shovel, and a big one.

He never worked for the Nazis, he was a 14 year old kid hiding from the Nazis, moran.

Quoting Anne Coulter looks just right on you though... see the link in 49.

- on you "team".

As has been noted elsewhere, your penchant for saying stupid ---- to try to make yourself holier than "party hacks" seems to get you in deep on a daily basis now.

"And it was the--whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the--I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt. (George Soros, 60 Minutes interview transcript, December 20, 1998)

message.snopes.com

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 03:23 PM | Reply

But hey, you do have Coulter, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and every other ------- crazy rwinger on your side, lmao.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 03:34 PM | Reply

forward.com

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 03:36 PM | Reply

"Corky's link proves Corky a liar." - #58 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 03:53 PM

What you quoted was NOT in the link in Corky's #57.

Which makes you out the liar.

No surprise there.

#59 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What you quoted was NOT in the link in Corky's #57.

Which makes you out the liar.

No surprise there.

#59 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was in his linke from #55, which means what I said is true and you're an imbecile.

#60 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 04:08 PM | Reply

"...which means what I said is true..." - #60 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 04:08 PM

...and places you in direct opposition to this (from Corky's #57):

The Anti-Defamation League issued a statement calling the accusation -- specifically the intent to "hold a young boy responsible for what was going on around him during the Holocaust as part of a larger effort to denigrate the man" -- "horrific" and "repugnant," along with "inappropriate," "offensive" and "over the top." The head of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants, Elan Steinberg, called the description -- particularly the made-up part about "helping send the Jews to the death camps" -- "a particularly monstrous lie."
An apt description of you.

Figures you'd be just like that.

And no surprise whatsoever.

#61 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Honest question: Are we defined for life by actions we took 50 years ago? I suppose, in part, it depends what those actions are. At what point are we permanently marked?

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-03-17 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also: If you had to run from your home and assume a new identity to escape the Nazis at 14 years old, then at 14 years old you know better than ost that working for the Nazis is wrong.

He may have had to do it to survive, but he knew that what he was doing was wrong. A normal person would express extreme regret over having survived that way.

#64 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 04:42 PM | Reply

...and places you in direct opposition to this (from Corky's #57):

#61 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag

So what? What I posted are his own words, which disprove that it was only one time and he just watched. What do I care what apologists say? I didn't make up that he worked for the Nazis and doesn't feel bad about it. That's exactly what he said. Only and idiot would think that is anyone else's fault but his own.

#65 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 04:44 PM | Reply

He may have had to do it to survive, but he knew that what he was doing was wrong. A normal person would express extreme regret over having survived that way.

#64 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-03-17 04:42 PM | FLAG:

But if he really had no choice, what is to regret?

#66 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-03-17 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But if he really had no choice, what is to regret?

#66 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-03-17 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag

Having aided the Nazis in stealing from people, some of whom were likely murdered later on.

It is quite normal for non-psychopaths to feel guilty about things that are not entirely their fault. This is why war veterans often suffer survivor's guilt. Someone who survived Nazi persecution by persecuting others should feel bad about it.

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 05:07 PM | Reply

Why does every nazi thread become about george soros? It's getting dull.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-17 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is quite normal for non-psychopaths to feel guilty about things that are not entirely their fault. This is why war veterans often suffer survivor's guilt. Someone who survived Nazi persecution by persecuting others should feel bad about it.

#67 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-03-17 05:07 PM | FLAG:

Is that your medical opinion?

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-03-17 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"... If you had to run from your home and assume a new identity to escape the Nazis at 14 years old, then at 14 years old..." - #64 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-17 04:42 PM

From another thread:

"...if Soros' birth certificate is correct he was 9 when WWII started and 14 when it ended in the European Theatre..." - #17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-17 04:00 PM
So, Soros was 14 years old for the entire war in Europe?

Amazing!

#70 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 05:17 PM | Reply

"A normal person would express extreme regret over having survived that way."

A normal person would be happy that when forced to become a Nazi to survive they only took people's property and not their lives.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-17 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump ate Russian dressing on a salad!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

#72 | Posted by sames1 at 2017-03-17 10:18 PM | Reply

"under the direction of the Nazi Government of Germany" during World War II, leaders of the organization have told the Forward.

LOL.....Just fake news.

Gorka was born in 1970, is it so difficult to realize bad press.

#73 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-18 10:34 AM | Reply

Soros is likely driven to help the victims of totalitarianism because when he was very young he saw the horror close up. That isn't a bad hobby for a billionaire and is much better than trying to sneak a peak at naked 14 year old girls in their dressing room.

#74 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-18 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remember when the right was raging about Obama paling around with Alinsky, but just shrugs when little d cuddles with Nazis. Odd.

I think little d hanging out with Soviets and Nazis is a good thing, as his supporters seem to be oblivious to less obvious indicators of his lack of character.
The dems should keep quite and let Mango Lardo go full retard.

#75 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-18 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ghost of Prescott Bush is smiling on the current state of the Republican Party and their ties to the Nazi Party - White Nationilist movement.

#76 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-03-18 08:22 PM | Reply

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