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Thursday, March 16, 2017

In an interview with Tucker Carlson of Fox News, Carlson questioned President Donald Trump about the health care bill and said, "a Bloomberg analysis shows that counties that voted for you, middle-class and working-class counties, would do far less well under the bill than counties that voted for Hillary." Trump responded, "Oh, I know." Trump doesn't explain or defend this, but instead says, "It's very preliminary."

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Matthew Yglesias of Vox writes, "Trump ran and won by promising a replacement plan that would cover everybody and offer lower deductibles and more choice than Affordable Care Act plans. The Republican health bill not only doesn't deliver on those promises, it moves in the opposition direction on all three planks -- covering fewer people and leaving those who continue to have coverage with skimpier plans."

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"It's very preliminary."

Posted by rcade at 01:57 PM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment

I just wanted the chance to scare the bejesus out of a few million people.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 02:14 PM | Reply

He just doesn't care. If you aren't super rich, you're scum in his mind.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

'"Oh, I know." Trump doesn't explain or defend this, but instead says, "It's very preliminary."'

Dude had alot more than that to say on the subject he was holding those rallies and basking in the adulation.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-16 02:24 PM | Reply

..wait we have to pass it
so we know whats in it!

#4 | Posted by hobart at 2017-03-16 02:26 PM | Reply

"a lot of things aren't consistent"

a lot of MAGA people ruining their kids and their family lives by being in denial on how bad they were had, and how they are going to suffer most from Trump policy.

#5 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-03-16 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

 

Candidate Trump on healthcare:

May 21, 2015
I'm not going to cut Medicare of Medicaid.

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-16 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 | Posted by LampLighter

If you add "*if you're rich" to those statements, most of them become true.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-16 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

 

I have noticed a bit of a change in wording by Pres Trump on the topic.

During the ego-stroking rallies, he called it 'health care."

This year, e.g., his speech to Congress last month, he seems to be calling it "health insurance."

The change seems to be fairly consistent, so I would presume it was done for a reason. I just don't know what the reason might be....

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-16 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not to worry.

By the time a lot of the Trumpfists figure out he scorched them the Music Man will have us belly-button deep in a protracted battle in some god awful regional hellhole.

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-03-16 02:55 PM | Reply

Trump responded, "Oh, I know."

It must've taken all the self control he could muster to not finish the sentence "...and I don't care."

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-16 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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If it is priliminary it shouldn't be on the floor for debate and enactment. If they vote for it it will be THE LAW. NOT preliminary, just THE LAW.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-16 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If they vote for it it will be THE LAW. NOT preliminary, just THE LAW."

Then Trump doesn't have to sign it, he could veto it. If he doesn't he should know, in no uncertain terms, it will be call Trumpcare forever.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-16 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it is priliminary it shouldn't be on the floor for debate and enactment. If they vote for it it will be THE LAW. NOT preliminary, just THE LAW.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183

He may have meant this is the early stage of his process.

Step 1: Offer something that is HORRIBLE so everyone freaks out.

Step 2: Offer something slightly less horrible that seems better by comparison.

Step 3: Claim victory, and ignore all broken promises.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-16 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is anyone listening to this evil WH presser?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 03:47 PM | Reply

@#14

I haven't been watching it, though whilst scanning through the channels I noticed tht Bloomberg was carrying it live and had the quote, "Mulvaney: Trump will 'absolutely' keep campaign promises" on the bottom of the screen.

Not sure what it was in reference to, though.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-16 03:59 PM | Reply

#14 I did, I listened to the interview before posting unlike you, who must still be spent from waiting and waiting for Maddow to pull out the kill shot last night. Trump knows and has said that there will be alot of tweaking and negotiating to get the right bill passed, and in it's present form he does not like it and it would not get passed.

#16 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-16 04:04 PM | Reply

This ongoing press conference is one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. Is Spicer getting revenge for never getting a date in high school?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald Trump has announced this hour that he see no advantage in feeding old people.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:07 PM | Reply

#16

I'm currently watching a WH press conference. What a maggot Spicer is.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump knows and has said that ... he does not like it and it would not get passed.
#16 | POSTED BY FISHPAW"

In other words, a complete reversal of what he said just last week. Given that the bill's language didn't change, what explains this blatant flip flopping?

#20 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-03-16 04:11 PM | Reply

I imagine one must agree to be a maggot to serve one as Press Secretary.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:12 PM | Reply

I'd like to repeat that Donald Trump sees no benefit from feeding old people.

It's only what his people are now saying on live television.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:15 PM | Reply

Donald Trump has announced this hour that he see no advantage in feeding old people.

#18 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-03-16 04:07 PM | FLAG:

No that was only half of what he said, the full line was " If Bernie Sanders continues to only pay 13% in taxes which is clearly below his fair share while at the same time paying $600k cash for a lake front home shortly after endorsing Hillary Clinton than I see no advantage in feeding old people like him."

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-16 04:17 PM | Reply

In other words, a complete reversal of what he said just last week. Given that the bill's language didn't change, what explains this blatant flip flopping?

#20 | POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2017-03-16 04:11 PM | FLAG:

I know this is a total 180 from the last eight years so it will take a lot for you to get used to but as President you are SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, and sometimes that takes some time and input from others. I'm happy that he's listening and not just throwing something out there like Obama did which is heading for implosion.

#24 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-16 04:23 PM | Reply

- paying $600k cash for a lake front home shortly after endorsing Hillary Clinton

More mythinformation...

But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders' wife, Jane O'Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they'd sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.

jacksonville.com

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-16 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24

Until Donald eliminates his conflicts of interest he can't possibly serve the entire country.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-16 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

as President you are SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY

#24 | Posted by fishpaw

Someone should tell trump.

So far everything he has done has been for the benefit of the rich and polluters at the expense of everyone else.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-16 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump knows and has said that there will be alot of tweaking and negotiating to get the right bill passed, and in it's present form he does not like it and it would not get passed.

There sure are a lot of Trump translators here, willing to take anything he said and turn it into something else.

Trump could have said the current bill won't pass. He didn't.

He could have said he doesn't like the current bill. He didn't.

Stop spinning and focus on what he actually said, which showed indifference to the suffering the bill he supports will inflict on Americans.

Trump isn't a secret genius. He says what he thinks, and in that interview he thinks it doesn't matter that this bill will hurt people.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2017-03-16 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7


Informative video...

GOP Health Care Bill
charlierose.com (runs around a half-hour, if you have the time...)

Journalists Bret Stephens of the WSJ and Reihan Salam of The National Review on the growing divide within the GOP over health care.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-16 05:50 PM | Reply

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. . . . We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.
-- Donald Trump, The America We Deserve (2000)

#30 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-03-16 09:54 PM | Reply

a lot of MAGA people ruining their kids and their family lives by being in denial on how bad they were had, and how they are going to suffer most from Trump policy.

My emotion regarding rural Trump supporters ranges from sympathy to contempt. Sympathy because their lives have been disrupted by changes in our society. Contemp because they don't recognize the common cause they share with the poor that live in urban communities. In fact, its been reported that many in those rural communities believe that they live in the real world; implying that others (including the poor that live in urban communities) do not. And, as a result of living in the real world, they are somehow more deserving of aid than those not living in the real world.

Much is being made (and rightly so) about the opiod crisis affecting America; especially rural America. The poor in urban America has been affected by an opiod crisis for generations. However, when the urban poor suffered, the causes of their suffering were often attributed to defects in character or culture. They were criminals, thugs, low lifes and undeserving of America's sympathy and certainly not deserving of its resources to help solve the problem. Non that the demographics and geographics of opiod addicts have changed, the causes of addiction are not attributed to defects within the individual or culture. It's the fault of someone or something else i.e. doctors and/or drug distribution companies and/or big Pharma. To little attention is paid to the despair that ruins the lives of people trapped in poverty; irrespective of their demographic make up.

#31 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-03-17 07:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump made it plainly clear after November 8th.... he no longer needs the voters support so he will do what he wants. Plain and simple.

You dolts got played. Again. Bigly this time.

He is going to take away your health care, clean water, clean air, job training, meals on wheels, education, medicaid, medicare social security, and support because it "doesn't work (for the 1%)" according to the whitehouse ghouls.

You elected a plutocrat billionaire that has proven since the 1970's he does not give a ---- about blacks, the poor, small business or the middle class. His entire life has been about what he can take from others and you gave him the keys to the treasury. Bravo. Your sociopath president is about the ---- you all over... BIGLY. Lube up boys. You're next.

#32 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-17 07:48 AM | Reply

According to OECD health data, in 2013 the British were getting their healthcare for $3,364 per capita annually; the Germans for $4,920; the French for $4,361; and the Japanese for $3,713. The tab for Americans was $9,086, at least double the others. With single-payer at the OECD average of $3,661 and a population of 322 million, we should be able to cover all our healthcare for under $1.2 trillion annually, well under half what we are paying now.

Governments at all levels in the US already spend $1.6 trillion for healthcare, for mainly Medicare and Medicaid which covers only 17% of the population. We need to try a thrifty version of Medicare for All, with negotiated prices for drugs, hospitals and diagnostic equipment. It's just good business.

US healthcare costs are projected to grow at 6% a year over the next decade. This trend will bankrupt not only millions of consumers but the entire federal government. (Ellen Brown)

This out of control overhead decreases our nations competitiveness. Single payer works. This has been proven by other countries and the VA.

#33 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-03-17 07:55 AM | Reply

"I know this is a total 180 from the last eight years so it will take a lot for you to get used to but as President you are SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY,"

Your reptilian brain just can't accept that Obama expanded healthcare to millions of Americans and that now Rethuglicans are trying to take that coverage away from those people. Sad to be you.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-17 08:36 AM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-03-16 04:24 PM | FLAG:

I didn't say he bought the home with funds he received from Hillary, I simple said he should get a home equity loan off that property to pay his fair share of taxes since he only paid 13% and paid cash for the third home.

#35 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-17 10:41 AM | Reply

Your reptilian brain just can't accept that Obama expanded healthcare to millions of Americans and that now Rethuglicans are trying to take that coverage away from those people. Sad to be you.

#34 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-03-17 08:36 AM | FLAG:

Yes, Trump and republicans should just do nothing and let Obamacare go down on it's own which is where it's heading, which when it does you will still do what you do best, blame the GOP.

#36 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-17 10:44 AM | Reply


Pres Trump just said that he is 100% behind the proposed healthcare plan.

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 10:55 AM | Reply

"Yes, Trump and republicans should just do nothing and let Obamacare go down on it's own which is where it's heading, which when it does you will still do what you do best, blame the GOP."

Answer me on one thing, did the GOP defund the risk corridors which were part of ACA? Do you even know what the risk corridors were? Or why they were important?

#38 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-17 10:57 AM | Reply

The majority of the nation knows obamacare was hurting the nation and now a different political organization is trying to make this hurtful program a success the media hype is to push it is hurtful. Just have to laugh, this is nothing but partisan backlash.

#39 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-17 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#39

The majority of the nation, to include much of his base, is learning that to know Donald is to loathe him.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-17 11:21 AM | Reply


@#39 ... The majority of the nation knows obamacare was hurting the nation ...

... while a majority of the nation liked the provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, there have been people who have said that they are thankful they were covered by the Affordable Care Act because Obamacare was such a disaster.

The Republicans pilloried Obamacare not because it was bad, not because it was nearly identical to something the right wing (Heritage Institute?) proposed years earlier (and fmr Gov Romney instituted in Massachusetts), but because, well, Obama.

Is Obamacare perfect? Of course not. There are things that could be done to address the problems. Unfortunately for the Republicans, they have been chanting "repeal" for so long that their constituents have come to believe them.

However, as the Republicans are now finding out, replacing Obamacare with something that offers the better coverage for less cost, that Pres Trump has promised, is not an easy task.

The partisan backlash seems to be more on the side of those who are backing a plan that takes money from the elderly and sick, and gives it to the wealthy as a tax cut.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-17 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"The majority of the nation knows obamacare was hurting the nation ..." - #39 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-17 11:03 AM

No, they don't "know" that.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-17 11:34 AM | Reply

But they also "know" that the ACA was great.

LOL

#43 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-17 12:03 PM | Reply

Fixing Obamacare would be far less disruptive to our healthcare system, would not take insurance away from millions and would still offer the opportunity of expanded Medicaid to the millions whose Republican Governors and Legislatures have played ideological politics with instead of allowing their citizens to get the same healthcare benefits as people in other states. But to do that Republicans would have to put the interests of their constituents ahead of the interests of the 1%. Of course they won't do that because their constituents don't matter to them and the 1% own them.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-17 12:20 PM | Reply

The majority of the nation knows obamacare was hurting the nation

I have heard numerous instances of people talking about how the ACA has saved their lives. The only things I have heard from people that don't like the the ACA is that it is expensive or that there is only one provider in many counties.

How should the effectiveness of the ACA be judged? Whether it saves lives or its cost? I would judge it based on its ability to save lives and/or to improve health outcomes. Saving costs would be an important but secondary issue.

I am guessing but I suspect that many who are objecting to the ACA on costs grounds are relatively healthy. Just wait, their time of sickness will come. If the republicans are successful in passing their healthcare program, many of these relatively healthy people will at some time be facing huge medical expenses and potentially bankruptcy because if they opted for cheap health insurance. When this happens (and it surely will), who picks up the tab: the hospitals? Doctors? tax payers? Other health insurance payers? All of the above?

#45 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-03-17 12:42 PM | Reply

Let's face it, ObamaCare was not designed as a long term fix, there is no way based on it's premise that it would not self destruct, and when written that was not going to be a problem. The Dems thought for sure Queen Hillary would win and she would have control of both houses and single payer would take over.

#46 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-03-17 01:14 PM | Reply

-The Dems thought for sure Queen Hillary would win and she would have control of both houses and single payer would take over.

Fishy timidly approaches lucidity. The ACA was the best first step towards a rational single payer system that Dems could get passed.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-17 01:19 PM | Reply

The majority of the nation knows obamacare was hurting the nation and now a different political organization is trying to make this hurtful program a success the media hype is to push it is hurtful. Just have to laugh, this is nothing but partisan backlash.

#39 | Posted by Crassus

According to a Fox News Poll, 50% approve "Obamacare" vs 46% disapprove, so I guess Fox is now a part of the "fake news" too. Tell me again, where is the "real news" to be found? www.nytimes.com

#48 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-03-18 02:06 AM | Reply

"Where is real news to be found?"

Sean Spicer evidently prefers the New York Times.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-18 10:55 AM | Reply

Yes, Trump and republicans should just do nothing and let Obamacare go down on it's own which is where it's heading, which when it does you will still do what you do best, blame the GOP.

#36 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

If your car runs out of oil, the oil light comes on and you do nothing but keep driving and then the engine blows up are you going to blame the previous owner?

I bet you would.

So yes, the GOP will get the blame.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-03-18 11:21 AM | Reply

So yes, the GOP will get the blame.
#50 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Don't be silly.

Clearly that is obama's fault. -fishy---

#51 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-03-19 09:10 AM | Reply

ObamaCare was not designed as a long term fix

It kept the insurance companies and their bottom line in the mix, so no it wasn't going to be a long term fix.

In light of that, there really isn't a long term fix that the Repubs would vote for since it necessarily requires profit motive be removed from a multi-billion dollar a year industry.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-19 04:26 PM | Reply

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