Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Joshua Marshall, TPM: If you're involved in politics in any way, it is always important to distinguish between what matters, what's important and what will have concrete effects, effects on political outcomes, elections, and so forth. Often they overlap. But that is not always the case. Take a couple examples. Unless there is a shattering revelation in the Trump/Russia investigations, the story is not likely to break Trump or his political coalition. Will it cause damage over time? Yes. But it won't break him. ... Health care is different. The political traction of health care is difficult to overstate or compare to any other in politics. That's what has always made it such a volatile and explosive political issue.

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This is an update from SurveyMonkey's on-going polling out from last night.

Here's Gallup's running approval numbers for Trump from yesterday. These come as the scale of the impact of the Trumpcare proposal was coming into view. But it actually includes only a sliver of polling from after Monday's CBO report.

These are momentary readings of course. But they illustrate the central point. Health care politics resonate like nothing else. They cut across President Trump's coalition like a scythe. If you're looking for the political battle that will damage President Trump and his party it is Obamacare repeal. Of course, there are few issues before the political nation today that will more affect the lives of people across the country, especially the most vulnerable, the least politically powerful. So there's no trade-off between 'politics' and things that effect people's lives.

The GOP and President Trump are now woefully exposed with a deeply unpopular reform, deep in enemy territory with little hope of an organized retreat.

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So basically, the one thing that could sway Trump voters away from Trump is if he does exactly what he told them he was going to do. Some folks believe what they want to believe in spite of any warnings or even promises to the contrary. I've had conversations with a few of them who have grown children dependent on the ACA who voted for Trump and when I mentioned that he said he was going to get rid of ACA the information went right past them as if it was just a political argument. Now they are upset that he and the Republicans are planning to do this. It's just hard to have sympathy for them.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-15 10:02 AM | Reply

"Paul Ryan has led Trump into a trap and he, Ryan, should be forced to pay the price."

Actually Obama led the GOOPs into this trap. This will fracture the party. And there is no escape without providing actual reforms to health care and the insurance industry similar to the ACA.

The man was a brilliant tactician in so many ways.

And yet the wingdings still want to see his college transcripts to try and prove he was a Kenyan.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-03-15 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

- The man was a brilliant tactician in so many ways.

Cutting out the insurance racketeers would have been even more brilliant.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-15 11:37 AM | Reply

"Cutting out the insurance racketeers would have been even more brilliant." - #3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-15 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag: Actually believes the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch are the same thing

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-15 11:41 AM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-03-15 11:37 AM | FLAG:

Again Sheeple, you look like the guy who just got done taking his first year of Polisci and think you know better than anyone.

It also proves that you didn't have C-SPAN or television or the internet back in 2009-2010 because it wasn't the Democrats that were demanding the insurance companies stay in the health care game. That was the Obstruclicans.

Sheeple, I served with Jack Schitt, you don't know Jack Schitt.

#5 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-03-15 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The dems rammed ACA into existence. Under the conditions there was no way to get single payer, but they could've forced a Medicare public option instead of mandated-subsidized insurance which is now being dismantled. Medicare was a far better option than health exchanges, and would have been impossible to unwind.

Obama laid down and the nation ignored his pleas to vote for Hillary, because everyone knew she was worse.

including Obama.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-15 12:32 PM | Reply

Sorry, I didn't realize the magic wand Obama had, that could have made that happen.

I also must be taking mushrooms or something because I swear Obama campaigned relentlessly for HRC.

Thank you for setting the record straight. Now, don't be late for Econ 202 starting in 15 minutes. I know you are pulling a high C and can't wait to tell Krugman what's up.

Run along.

#7 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-03-15 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You can tell he's a Trump supporter because of his fondness for "alternative facts".

It's a lot easier when you can just re-write history... right Sheeple?

#8 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-03-15 12:54 PM | Reply

The dems rammed ACA into existence.

Over a year from first proposal to signing is not "ramming" into existence no matter how hard you want it to be.

Ramming is what the GNOP is trying to do with Trumpcare.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-15 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I didn't realize the magic wand Obama had

They rammed ACA through. They could've rammed a Medicare option as well.

Look...healthcare is NOT affordable. period. None of us could pay for a week in a hospital much less a month in ICU.

The problem is profiteering and scamming the gov't. on costs - If we solve that problem, everyone can be covered in group insurance at a reasonable rate, while everyone else is given Medicare or the option to buy in.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-15 01:06 PM | Reply

You can tell he's a Trump supporter...
#8 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL

I'm left of Chomsky and Corky's '6 lefty economists'. So, enjoy your new label machine.

ACA was a disaster the instant a mandate was declared to buy crappy insurance products.

We need healthcare, not low coverage insurance riders and exclusions.

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-15 01:10 PM | Reply

I AGREE WITH YOU public option is the way to go. There is no doubt. But that wasn't a real option, medicare option wasn't going to happen. It would have been blocked by blue dogs fearing for re-election. They probably didn't stand a chance anyway in retrospect, but what got passed was intended to be the baseline for a compromised bill that never happened.

You are missing the bigger picture of the landscape after Ted Kennedy died. It was this or nothing.

#12 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-03-15 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The dems rammed ACA into existence. Under the conditions there was no way to get single payer, but they could've forced a Medicare public option
#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

No they could not have forced a public option. The Dem's in the house passed a bill that included a public option but independent Joe Lieberman, who was bought and paid for by the Insurance industry, insisted the public option be removed and was going to join the GOP filibuster if it was not. www.politico.com

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-03-15 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-I'm left of Chomsky

That's hilarious. Chomsky is left in ways you couldn't pronounce much less comprehend.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-15 01:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

= They could've rammed a Medicare option as well.

Yet another sheepish lie.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-15 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The insurance industry wants their cut of the action (right out of your pocket) and will buy as many pols as needed to be sure they get it. So the single payer option will never happen. Insurance companies want a hefty profit after they pay the CEO his $200 million bonus, buy ads, etc. So they will cost double what Medicare for all would cost.

#16 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2017-03-15 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#16

The day after they make it illegal for Insurance Companies and their parents, subsidiaries and shareholders from lobbying or making political donations is the day that public option gets voted in.

Since the former will never happen, the latter is DOA.

#17 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-03-15 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gosh, I'd hate for that really nice man in the White House to suffer as a result of the unpopularity of this bill.

#18 | Posted by cbob at 2017-03-15 04:02 PM | Reply

TrumpleSheepskin is spinning like a dreidel trying to rationalize the fact that he got his wish for this presidency. Declares in one breath that he's left of anyone on the planet, takes Trump's side on every issue.

#19 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-03-15 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

SANDERS: I have no hesitation in saying this. If this legislation is passed, and millions of people are thrown off health insurance, not able to get to a doctor when they must, thousands of Americans will die. That's what this legislation is about, and it must be defeated, and I hope there is enough sense among some of the Republicans to vote against it.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-15 05:09 PM | Reply

Sanders:

Now, as I know that all of you understand, the United States of American is the only major country on Earth not to guarantee health care to all people as a right. We're the only major country! It is incomprehensible, it is disgraceful, it is profoundly immoral that this Republican legislation moves us in exactly the wrong direction.

[ ... ]

... what this legislation is all about is a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and working people of this country to the very wealthiest. This is an ugly and cynical proposal. This is a proposal which, if adopted, will result in thousands of Americans dying. People die when they can't go to a doctor when they need, or when they can't get into a hospital when they must. This legislation is a disgrace. All of us must work together to see that it is defeated.

See the whole video:

www.sanders.senate.gov

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-15 05:16 PM | Reply

kLook...healthcare is NOT affordable. period. None of us could pay for a week in a hospital much less a month in ICU."

Most of us don't spend a week in the hospital and definitely not a month in the ICU.

That's why we need insurance. To fund health care.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-15 08:24 PM | Reply

"thousands of Americans dying."

Trump is a narcissist and a sociopath. He's completely void of empathy. He's obsessed by his hatred of Obama and cares more about destroying Obama's legacy than he does about health care for the country ~ no matter how many have to die.

Obama is the better man and it's eating Trump alive.

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-15 08:45 PM | Reply

The GOP's Obamacare replacement is the bill nobody loves or is begging for

Polls for weeks have shown Americans warming to Obamacare as Republicans prepare to deconstruct it. And now a new Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows they think considerably less of the GOP alternative.

Just 18 percent think it will increase coverage, vs. 48 percent who say it will decrease coverage. Just 23 percent say it will decrease costs, vs. 48 percent who say it will increase them. Just 25 percent say it will lower deductibles, vs. 41 percent who say it will increase them. And just 15 percent say it will increase protections for those with preexisting conditions, vs. 32 percent who said it will decrease them.

There is a healthy middle ground of people who see little change on all of these measures, but opponents outnumber proponents by strong margins on every one.

To read more:

www.washingtonpost.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-15 09:29 PM | Reply

and the nation ignored his pleas to vote for Hillary, because everyone knew she was worse.

This was -------- before the election.

Now it's triple dog -------- after only a month.

You need to get a grip. Seriously.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-15 10:43 PM | Reply

That's why we need insurance. To fund health care.

What we don't need, though, is the profit motive of a private corporation.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-15 10:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As seen of fb:

Trumpcare:
It's like
Trump
University
but you die.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-15 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Donald has finally figured out a fail safe strategy for avoiding class action lawsuits!

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-15 11:06 PM | Reply

The dems rammed ACA into existence. Under the conditions there was no way to get single payer, but they could've forced a Medicare public option instead of mandated-subsidized insurance which is now being dismantled. Medicare was a far better option than health exchanges, and would have been impossible to unwind.
Obama laid down and the nation ignored his pleas to vote for Hillary, because everyone knew she was worse.
including Obama.

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

This might be one of the dumbest, most revisionist pieces ever written on here. Did your political memory just start a year ago or what?

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-16 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This might be one of the dumbest, most revisionist pieces ever written on here." - #29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-16 06:56 PM

That would definitely describe something written by SheepleSchism.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-16 07:31 PM | Reply

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