Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, March 13, 2017

Twenty-four million more Americans would be uninsured by 2026 under the House Republican health care bill than under Obamacare, including 14 million by next year, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said Monday. The long-anticipated score immediately puts the writers and supporters of the GOP Obamacare repeal bill on the defensive. It is also certain to complicate the party's already troubled efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

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Bend over Trumplings, little d has his promised health care plan.

It is sooo good. You won't believe how good it is.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-13 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

And the GNOP was afraid of the town hall meetings already. They ain't seen nothing yet.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-13 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the GNOP was afraid of the town hall meetings already. They ain't seen nothing yet.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03

I'm sure there's a Republican bill out there to discourage town halls by way of civic forfeiture for everyone who walks on lawns, double parks, or jaywalks to get to one.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-13 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Twenty-four million uninsured? That's nothing. One hundred million came to my inauguration after I won the biggest electoral landslide in history."

-- little d, overheard by his blender

#4 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-13 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 9

This is the kiss of death for this plan, no way will reps in States that put Trump over the top vote yes on this without major changes to ensure that Trump follows through on his promises.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-03-13 06:10 PM | Reply

The CBO Deals Paul Ryan's Health-Care Plan a Major Blow

The hotly anticipated Congressional Budget Office report on the Republican replacement for Obamacare found it would increase the number of uninsured Americans by 86 percent.

Their bill would lower federal deficits by $337 billion over 10 years, largely as a result of cuts to Medicaid that would reduce its enrollment by 14 million, according to the estimate. Average premiums would rise by as much as 20 percent in 2018 and 2019 before falling in later years.

www.theatlantic.com

TrumpDon'Care.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 06:11 PM | Reply

Paul Ryan is evil. He is deliberately taking away insurance from at least 10 million people to give insurance CEOs a tax cut. People like him are why the masses pray for hell to be real.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-13 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 14

Governmentally ran single payer why not go for the gusto and do this right???

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-13 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ryan's Budgets were always, year after year, DOA in Congress no matter who was in charge.

Now that he's in charge of the House, his math skills haven't improved at all and his Alt Right Health Care/Tax Cut for the Wealthy should be DOA, too.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How the GOP's Health-Care Bill Would Affect People Insured Through Work

Fewer people would sign up for employer-sponsored plans, and fewer employers would offer coverage.

Much of the focus around the Obamacare repeal debate has centered on what would happen to people who buy insurance on their own, but about half of Americans are insured through their jobs -- a situation that has shielded them from many of the concerns around Obamacare and its repeal.

But by 2020, about 2 million fewer people would get insurance through work if the GOP's proposed Obamacare replacement bill, the American Health Care Act, passes, according to a scorecard report released today by the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan agency that tracks the financial impact of legislation.

www.theatlantic.com

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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But see, Republicans love entrepreneurs.... unless they want health care.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 06:34 PM | Reply

little d care reduces deficits by $336 billion, despite huge regressive tax cuts, because it offers people $1.2 trillion less help affording care.

#12 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-13 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No worry the top 1% will get $200,000 tax cuts so we're all good.

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-13 06:44 PM | Reply

No wonder they were ramming it through the house. This is BCA (Bikini Care Act) - covers very little and is expensive!

#14 | Posted by BingyBunny at 2017-03-13 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

CBO shows how Trumpcare would save billions: by leaving millions uninsured

That increase, which the report blamed on reductions in Medicaid and subsidies for private policies, would almost double the number of Americans lacking coverage.

By contrast, Obamacare -- formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- cut the percentage of uninsured Americans almost in half, to the lowest level in more than 50 years.

www.latimes.com

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 06:51 PM | Reply

Trumpcare: "I've got mine. Go somewhere and die quietly."

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-13 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

why do people vote republican? I just don't get it.

They refused to work with Obama on designing and implementing Obamacare.

They refused to work on fixing the problems with Obamacare.

They had 8 years to come up with an alternative plan.

They come up with a lump of ----.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-13 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This is the plan that both Ryan and Trump have been pushing. They haven't argued that this should be a 'work-in-progress' or just some initial general blueprint. This is the plan they are pushing. Now where are ---- rightwingers to tell us either how wonderful the plan is or how full ---- Trump has been all along? (I don't care which side right-wingers try to take. They have been proven to be fools, liars and scoundrels.)

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-03-13 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nobody needs health coverage. Freedom!

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-03-13 07:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump: Letting Obamacare implode on its own 'certainly an option'

President Donald Trump on Monday warned that Republicans "are putting themselves in a very bad position"
by repealing and replacing Obamacare and said that letting it "implode" is still an option.

"I've been telling you why don't we wait, just let it implode and let's not take the blame," Trump said to Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, who along with Vice President Mike Pence attended the listening session and made brief remarks."

www.politico.com

Good job, Donnie. It's all about who takes the blame, not insuring Americans.

No one is surprised.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 07:17 PM | Reply

Rural voters in red states are going to be the hardest hit.

Many of them committed a slow moving murder suicide when they voted for trump.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2017-03-13 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Where are the Trump defenders and deflectors? The silence is deafening.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-13 07:18 PM | Reply

Where are the Trump defenders and deflectors?

Finding new ways to work "You can keep your doctor" into a sentence.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-13 07:25 PM | Reply

We all know the ACA isn't perfect. But this is hardly a step forward.

#24 | Posted by cbob at 2017-03-13 07:25 PM | Reply

This Spruce Goose will never fly.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-13 07:30 PM | Reply

Trumpers waiting for their mass emailed marching orders. Expect them to arrive at the same time more or less, depending on how fast they can read and whether their moms have dinner ready.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-13 07:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Among those 24 million are many who will DIE because of their lack of insurance.

But hey! Rich people will get big tax breaks.

Can one of you republicans quote the bible verse where Jesus talked about killing the poor so the rich can get richer? He said it was a good thing right?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-13 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

We all know the ACA isn't perfect. But this is hardly a step forward.

#24 | Posted by cbob

Depends toward what goal? If your goal, like the republicans, is more money for the rich at any cost, then this is a great step forward.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-13 07:36 PM | Reply

Looks like Breitbart, worldnetdaily, foxnews, and infowars are all slow at getting their talking points out to the rubes today.

#29 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-03-13 07:48 PM | Reply

Likely tutoring donald on his required deflectotronic 3am tweetstorm.

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-13 07:53 PM | Reply

Trumps/Ryan's plan appears to be a POS.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-13 07:55 PM | Reply

Appearances are not deceiving in this case. What a wreck.

#32 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-03-13 07:59 PM | Reply

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You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-13 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | Posted by blake914

Yeah funny how killing sick people tends to make libs all emotional. What -------.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-13 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Here we go! :-)

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-13 08:01 PM | Reply

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You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | Posted by blake914

I only wish ball cancer on all the repukians in congress. there is nothing hateful about that.

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-13 08:05 PM | Reply

You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | Posted by blake914 at

Take out an ad in the paper supporting Trumpcare. See your neighbors turn on you.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-13 08:05 PM | Reply

Many of them committed a slow moving murder suicide when they voted for trump.

#21 | POSTED BY TOR

It would be amusing in a sad sort of way were it not for the rest of us being taken down in the implosion.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-13 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But this is hardly a step forward.

#24 | POSTED BY CBOB

It isn't even neutral.

It's several steps back before being knocked on your ass.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-13 08:07 PM | Reply

You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.
#33 | Posted by blake914 at

What is there to debate? Trumpcare WILL kill people if it passes.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-13 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | POSTED BY BLAKE914

It's impossible to have civil discourse with a Golgothan and its followers.

Since no one forced you to be a follower, don't be mad at anyone but yourself when civil discourse doesn't come your way.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-13 08:10 PM | Reply

"You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate."

Welcome to the DR.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-13 08:22 PM | Reply

"You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate."

Welcome to the DR.

#42 | Posted by eberly

Libs are hateful in their words. Repubs are hateful in their policies.

I'd rather someone call me names than take away my insurance.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-13 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We've heard testimonials from folks on both sides of the aisles about how Obamacare saved their lives. I expect to see testimonials from loved ones on both sides of the aisle about how Trumpcare cost people their lives.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-13 08:30 PM | Reply

The American Medical Association has killed untold numbers right along with the Food and Drug administration so they can both kiss my ass.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-03-13 08:43 PM | Reply

Thank you Trump. We suck at killing Americans, you are so much better than us.
- al Queda

#46 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-13 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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#47 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-13 08:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#47 | POSTED BY BLAKE914

That's the most insightful post you've ever written here.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-13 08:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

#48 | POSTED BY JPW

I was going to comment, but I can't possibly say it any better than you just did.

#49 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-03-13 09:01 PM | Reply

"I'd rather someone call me names than take away my insurance."

LOL

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-13 09:02 PM | Reply

What's funny is that this is from the CBO with the Republican hand picked head. The head of CBO is supposedly more open to scoring Rethug proposals such as tax cuts for their "stimulus effect." Imagine how bad this would be if they didn't see those massive tax cuts to the rich as somehow stimulating the economy.

#51 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-03-13 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some impact stats:

64yo making $26,500/y
Under Obamacare would pay: $1,700
Under Trumpcare would pay: $14,600

14 million people will lose health care in 1st year of Trumpcare.

24 million will lose health care by 2026.

Medicare would be cut by $117 billion, and Medicaid would be cut by $370 billion.

But, on the plus side, the wealthiest 400 US households would get a $7 million a year tax break.

On the downside, millions of working-class Americans will suffer, die and go bankrupt.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-13 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Yes, Donald this paints a beautiful healthcare picture:

"In Nebraska's Chase County, a 62-year-old currently earning about $18,000 a year could pay nearly $20,000 annually to get health-insurance coverage under the House GOP plan -- compared with about $760 a year that person would owe toward premiums under the ACA."

www.wsj.com

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-13 09:25 PM | Reply

Instead of calling it Trumpcare, we should call it Trumpdon'tcare.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-13 09:31 PM | Reply

#52 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
#53 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Subsidizing insurance has never been the answer. It's a giant waste of money and acts like a band-aid for working poor while the insurance companies, healthcare conglomerates, and pharma bro's clean up.

We're not going to get single payer from a GOP gov't; the issue has to become Medicare buy-in.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-13 09:33 PM | Reply

THE WORST PART OF THIS IS:
Trump, Spicer, GOP Congress, and even Trump voters continue to lie about how bad this will be.
You own this!
And it will come back to bite you in the ass--hard--in 20 months.

#56 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-03-13 09:33 PM | Reply

And it will come back to bite you in the ass--hard--in 20 months.

I'd be willing to put my money on it won't.

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-13 09:36 PM | Reply

If Congress wanted to improve Obamacare, one of the fixes they could do would be to give 50 or 55 year olds the option to buy-in to Medicare. That would be a step in the right direction.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-13 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd be willing to put my money on it won't.

#57 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Sadly, me too.

The right has proven itself too brain dead to trust it'll wake up, even after they start dropping like flies due to lack of healthcare.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-13 09:39 PM | Reply

You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate.

#33 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-03-13 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag: SAID THE TRUMP VOTER

#60 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-03-13 09:56 PM | Reply

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++++ the Republicans' bill to replace Obamacare, explained quick video

www.vox.com

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-13 10:28 PM | Reply

Trading Health Care for the Poor for Tax Cuts for the Rich

So much for President Trump's pledge of "insurance for everybody."

The Congressional Budget Office said on Monday that next year 14 million fewer Americans will have insurance if the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, is repealed and replaced on the terms the president is seeking. That tally would rise to 21 million in 2020 and 24 million in 2026. By then, the total number of uninsured Americans would reach 52 million.

And for what? To give a gigantic tax cut to wealthy Americans.

According to the C.B.O. the loss of health care coverage under the Republican plan stems largely from gutting Medicaid for low-income Americans, even though Mr. Trump has said he would not cut Medicaid.

Coverage would also be lost in part because insurance would become unaffordable for millions as subsidies are withdrawn, despite Mr. Trump's claim that coverage would become "much less expensive and much better."

At the same time, the plan provides a $600 billion tax cut over 10 years for wealthy Americans, because they would no longer be subject to the taxes that pay for the health care subsidies. When the tax cuts for the rich and the spending cuts to Medicaid are combined, they would result in deficit reduction of $337 billion by 2026.

That's a small fraction of the national debt in exchange for an enormous amount of human misery.

www.nytimes.com

This is Trump and Ryan's kind of deal, typically Republican; take from the poor and the elderly and give to their donors/masters.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-13 10:52 PM | Reply

The White House's internal report estimates 26 million kicked off insurance...

#64 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-03-13 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#33 | POSTED BY BLAKE914
"You libs are so rabid and hateful its not worth trying to have a civil conversation/debate."

Blake, I'm wondering when the last time was you even attempted a "civil conversation/debate".

#65 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-03-13 11:47 PM | Reply

#65

A brief glimpse at his posts indicates, never.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-03-13 11:50 PM | Reply

The White House's internal analysis of the GOP's ObamaCare replacement plan reportedly projects more insurance losses than the report released Monday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The White House document, obtained by Politico, projects that 26 million people would lose coverage over the next decade under the GOP's healthcare plan.

It finds that 54 million people total would be uninsured in 2026.

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-03-14 12:13 AM | Reply

Welp, now that it's over I hope everyone enjoyed the little d's presidency at least as much as I did.

#68 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-03-14 06:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It finds that 54 million people total would be uninsured in 2026.

#67 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2017-03-14 12:13 AM | REPLY

Yeah, but trickle down!

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-03-14 06:58 AM | Reply

Everyone will be covered and costs will go down.

Sincerely,

Little d.

#70 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-14 07:19 AM | Reply

Blake, I'm wondering when the last time was you even attempted a "civil conversation/debate".
#65 | POSTED BY THETOM AT 2017-03-13 11:47 PM | FLAG:

Blake is a troll. Not a good one either.

#71 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-14 07:20 AM | Reply


Governmentally ran single payer why not go for the gusto and do this right???

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr

I notice you are always gusto for something someone else is paying for..

#72 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 09:31 AM | Reply

I notice you are always gusto for something someone else is paying for..

Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 09:31 AM | Reply

I see you have no cogent rebuttal as per usual so.............

#73 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-14 09:35 AM | Reply

OMG... there are hundreds of millions of Americans that dont own a lexis or a escalade. We have a crisis people. We need immediate assistance! A new government entitlement. Why do some people get to ride around in a luxury car when the poorest among us are relegated to lesser vehicles or no vehicles.

#74 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 10:42 AM | Reply

This morning, while listening to CSpan's Washington Journal, a caller with Muscular Dystrophy and receiving Medicaid felt that it was ok for those 24 million people to lose their health insurance. His rationale was that most of the people that would lose their health insurance received it because of Obamacare. In other words: I am deserving but those other people are not!

Another caller on the topic of Trumpcare berated the Pope and said that the Vatican should sell off all of its assets and give them to the poor.

These are but two examples that summarizes the position of republicans on just about any issue: greed and selfishness.

#75 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-03-14 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boo hoo. How are they going to react when obamacare implodes? Does that the cbo report assume obamacare is still going to be around? Why not go back to the heathcare plan we had on 2007. The longer people have an entitlement the more they are dependent. We need to break the cycle of dependancy. Cold turkey is the best way.

#76 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I notice you are always gusto for something someone else is paying for.." - #72 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 09:31 AM

You mean like your military pension?

#77 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 10:48 AM | Reply

Why not go back to the heathcare plan we had on 2007.

Yeah! Let's go back to a reactive system where uninsured get treatment for catastrophic conditions at the ED, producing higher costs that bankrupt them and raise everyone else's costs when hospitals recoup the cost from insured individuals.

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:01 AM | Reply

We need to break the cycle of dependancy. Cold turkey is the best way.

#76 | POSTED BY A_CITIZEN AT 2017-03-14 10:48 AM | FLAG:

What we need to break is the cycle of bumper sticker slogan politics.

Grow up. Stop being an idiot. It's not that simple and I know thinking is hard werk, but you're supposedly an adult.

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How about I work for it so I can afford it. Why is that so unfair? It is not greed or selfishness. It is called working for the things you get and saving your money. A little self reliance and responsibility is a good thing. Obscene words to a democrat.

#80 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:05 AM | Reply


You mean like your military pension?

#77 | Posted by Hans

Apples and Oranges, Hans..

I see you still cannot see the difference or understand the concept of something earned...

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 11:10 AM | Reply

"How about I work for it so I can afford it." - #80 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:05 AM

You couldn't afford it no matter how much you work.

Foreign words to illiterate Republicans.

#82 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 11:11 AM | Reply

"Apples and Oranges, Hans.." - #81 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 11:10 AM

You didn't "earn" what you're receiving.

You're receiving what you were promised.

I see you still don't understand the concept of reality.

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 11:12 AM | Reply

Hans,

First I do afford it and most of someone else's. So apparently you need to stop believing bumper stickers. Get a job. Pay your own way. It can be done.

And with regard to boaz military pension...he performed the terms of the contract. HE EARNED IT. By your logic no one earns anything...we all just get what we are promised. The difference is he had to do something for the promise.

#84 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You didn't "earn" what you're receiving.

Oh really?

Wow, you are sadder than I thought.

That pension wasn't just handed to me. I had to attain rank to even be able to stay in 20 years. It wasn't just handed to me.

I know you don't understand the concept of work.

You are a liberal..

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 11:23 AM | Reply

The real cost of ObamaCare..

freebeacon.com

#86 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 11:30 AM | Reply

A little self reliance and responsibility is a good thing. Obscene words to a democrat.

#80 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017

You're an idiot. Tell that to your (soon to be former) GOP voters who are self-reliant, and do take responsibility. Furthermore, they see themselves as people who do these things.

Some of them, and some members of their families, are going to get sick and die because of people like you and Donald. Take your collection of Ayn Rand novels and shove them. Shove them high and deep.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pay your own way. It can be done.

#84 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:20 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive | Newsworthy 1

NOT on a median Texas income. Not. Not. Not.

#88 | Posted by Zed at 2017-03-14 11:34 AM | Reply

A little self reliance and responsibility is a good thing.

Ahhh yes, a true believer.

Get over yourself, toolbag. I guarantee you're not the rugged individualist you think you are.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:36 AM | Reply

Boaz,

To a libby, no one earns anything. That is why we should all have health insurance, live the same lifestyle, attend the same schools, make the same money, and get the same outcome. To believe anything else is to find fault with the have not and that is not a part of the acceptable reality.

For further information see the little red book of the writings of marx and Lenin.

#90 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I see you still cannot see the difference or understand the concept of something earned...

#81 | POSTED BY BOAZ

By taking part in an endeavor that builds blowback and future problems for America?

You should be paying us back.

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To a libby, no one earns anything. That is why we should all have health insurance, live the same lifestyle, attend the same schools, make the same money, and get the same outcome. To believe anything else is to find fault with the have not and that is not a part of the acceptable reality.

Christ you're an idiot.

Please tell me you haven't bred yet?

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The real cost of ObamaCare..
freebeacon.com

#86 | POSTED BY BOAZ

A bunch of cherry picked tweets?

Well I'm sold. You've convinced me, Boaz.

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:41 AM | Reply

So apparently you need to stop believing bumper stickers. Get a job. Pay your own way. It can be done.

LOL

Fracking. Idiot.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:42 AM | Reply

Jpw

Well lets see...I get no government check. I pay taxes, have started and run two successful businesses and employ 5 other people. So...kiss my ass and get a job that supports your wishes or get other wishes. Self reliance has been good to me and it works.

#95 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:43 AM | Reply

Well I'm sold. You've convinced me, Boaz.

Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:41 AM | Reply

You have to give the poor guy some slack. That's probably all his mind is capable of understanding.

#96 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-14 11:43 AM | Reply

Well lets see...I get no government check. I pay taxes,

Yawn. Congrats on being nothing special.

have started and run two successful businesses and employ 5 other people

Well whoop-dee-doo!

So...kiss my ass and get a job that supports your wishes or get other wishes.

That's the point, idiot. The vast majority of people can't get a job that allows them to afford it.

Which leads to all sorts of systemic problems that cost everyone.

Self reliance has been good to me and it works.

I guarantee you're not nearly as self-reliant as you think.

But it's OK. It's a symptom of the Conservative psychosis.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:52 AM | Reply

#91 | POSTED BY JPW

BTW I was just trolling with this.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 11:53 AM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY A_CITIZEN -- I consider myself a moderate but tend to be socially liberal, and I take exception to your statement. I do not believe that everyone should have the same lifestyle. But when it comes to basic needs those need to be met for each person. We should all have affordable health care. I have a great job that provides pretty good health care coverage, but I still have to pay quite a bit for deductible and prescriptions. Public schools should be free to attend, but the people that choose can pay for private school. We dont have to all make the same money but there should be entry level positions that pay enough to live modestly on. When people that work 40 hours a week still need food stamps just to eat you have a serious problem.

#99 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-14 11:54 AM | Reply

"I had to attain rank to even be able to stay in 20 years." - #85 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 11:23 AM

Yep.

And high achiever or low achiever, no difference. You get what you were promised, not what you "earned."

"I know you don't understand the concept of work."

And you don't understand the concept of socialism... and how you're benefiting from it every time your pension hits your bank account.

#100 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 11:54 AM | Reply

"First I do afford it and most of someone else's." - #84 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:20 AM

Nope.

Not at all.

"Pay your own way."

You drive on roads only you built and paid for?

You cure yourself on medicines only you created and paid for?

You must have spent last night at a Holiday Inn Express.

#101 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 11:58 AM | Reply

"...he performed the terms of the contract. HE EARNED IT." - #84 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 11:20 AM

Abiding by the terms of a contract is abiding by the terms of a contract.

And part of that contract was the stipulation that if you abide by the terms of the contract a certain amount of money will be paid to you each month for the remainder of your life.

Said monthly income wasn't "earned," set aside and then paid out by the military.

Said monthly income is being paid because those were the terms of the contract.

You're welcome.

#102 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:02 PM | Reply

Many of you people don't give a damn about these people or the ones I know personally who have had to lay off employees...sell off part of businesses and two who had to opt for the fine....

so your bellowing with all this fake concern over people's welfare further proves you're frauds and not to be taken seriously...

"We paid $8,000 for five months and were never able to use it," Georgia woman Brittany Ivey told Trump.

Ivey, who said she left her full-time job in 2009 to focus on her children, claimed she had a family plan for four that went up by 102 percent. After she lost insurance that had been provided by her husband's employer, Ivey said she looked for a new job with health care benefits but was unable to find employment that would have provided insurance.

dailysignal.com

#103 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-03-14 12:03 PM | Reply

Sad you cant see the difference between what private industry does (pharmacudical), which I do invest in so, yes I did help develop, and roads which are supported by taxes I pay so..again yes. And I didnt have to stay at the holiday inn.

#104 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:04 PM | Reply

The CBO previously overestimated the amount of people who would gain private health insurance due to Obamacare by the exact same number -- 24 million.

The Weekly Standard reported that soon before Obamacare's implementation in 2013, the CBO said that 201 million people on average would have private health insurance by 2016. The CBO downgraded that estimate to an average of 177 million people last year -- a difference of 24 million people.

Read more: dailycaller.com

#105 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-03-14 12:05 PM | Reply

No one said Obamacare was perfect. Fix what's broken; don't scrap the whole plan.

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:06 PM | Reply

"I did help develop, and roads which are supported by taxes I pay so..again yes." - #104 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:04 PM

Another socialism success story.

#107 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:06 PM | Reply

which I do invest in so, yes I did help develop

No. No you didn't.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Isn't it funny how the pro-life crowd doesn't see having decent, affordable health insurance as a pro-life issue? They really are pro-birth, not pro-life.

#109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:11 PM | Reply

Justagirl,

I must have made quite an impression on you since that was posted some time ago. I sat out most of the obama administration since you cant disagree with obama or an obamabot without being called a raysis.

I have watched for eight years of democrat rule, which has clarified my view on sine things. I still am probably socially liberal. I dont care who you sleep with or what you smoke. When your decisions affect me we have issues.

#110 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:12 PM | Reply

"They really are pro-birth, not pro-life." - #109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:11 PM

More "pregnancy as punishment" people:

Why the Anti-Choice Movement Sees Pregnancy as Women's Punishment
Pregnancy as Punishment, or, When the Pro-Life Movement is Evil
This is also why being anti-abortion and pro-death penalty makes perfect sense to some people. Both children and the death penalty are about justice – about what people should be forced to pay for their actions. People who have sex should pay with birth. People who commit particular crimes should pay with their lives.
Rockabye Lady: Pregnancy as Punishment in Popular Culture
Pregnancy should not be a punishment
...when a woman engages in sex, she has implicitly agreed to the potential consequences including nurturing an unborn life. It is not a valid argument, so there was no reason to acknowledge it. Women should not be punished for having sex.

We have seen this before with the vaccine for human papillomavirus. HPV is the most common STD; 6.2 million people women are infected each year. HPV causes cervical cancer, and 3,700 women die from it each year. When Gardasil, the HPV vaccine, was invented, the Christian right was against its distribution. They argued that the vaccine would encourage women to have sex. They wanted to punish women with death by cervical cancer for having sex outside of marriage.

#111 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:14 PM | Reply

Gal,

The plan is terminal. Spending more money does not increase quality or quantity. Time to let nature take its course. Pull the plug.

#112 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:16 PM | Reply

But when it comes to basic needs those need to be met for each person.

Sure, but they need to be met BY that person. It's not the job of govt to do that.

If the person cannot meet their own basic needs, that's the job of charities..

We should all have affordable health care.

And we all should have a Ferrari, but that's not going to happen. And it also depends on your definition of affordable. There is affordable care out there, it's just there's a segment of society that's always going to standing there with their hand out.

but there should be entry level positions that pay enough to live modestly on.

Sure, and there are, but they are entry level for skilled positions. Being a burger flipper shouldn't pay enough for a modest living. If that were the case, everyone would just be a burger flipper.

When people that work 40 hours a week still need food stamps just to eat you have a serious problem.

No, the country doesn't have a serious problem, that person has a serious problem, and it's up to them to respond to better their situation.

#113 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 12:17 PM | Reply

Boaz,

Dismount!

Justagirl was trollling me with a post that I estimate is almost eight years old. Not real sure what she was trying to accomplish. I think you should note we are largely on the same page.

#114 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:21 PM | Reply

"Being a burger flipper shouldn't pay enough for a modest living." - #113 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 12:17 PM

Why not?

The Minimum Wage Used To Be Enough To Keep Workers Out Of Poverty -- It's Not Anymore

#115 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:21 PM | Reply

#112 The GOP plan is DOA. If they shove it through and it becomes law, Trumpcare will be a noose around Republicans necks in the not so distant future.

#116 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"If that were the case, everyone would just be a burger flipper." - #113 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 12:17 PM

Not everyone is as lazy as you, boaz.

#117 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:22 PM | Reply

Buried in the report:

"Because of plans' lower average actuarial values, CBO and JCT expect that individuals'
cost-sharing payments, including deductibles, in the nongroup market would tend to be
higher than those anticipated under current law. In addition, cost-sharing subsidies would
be repealed in 2020, significantly increasing out-of-pocket costs for nongroup insurance
for many lower-income enrollees. The higher costs would make the plans less attractive
than those available under current law to many potential enrollees, especially people who
are eligible for the largest subsidies under current law."

www.cbo.gov

Therefore people with insurance would see higher deductibles and copays than under the current law.

Again, nothing but pain from Trumpcare unless you are a millionaire.

#118 | Posted by 726 at 2017-03-14 12:23 PM | Reply

And we all should have a Ferrari, but that's not going to happen.

Nothing like the guy getting VA care acting as if medical care is a luxury on par with a sports car.

You're a genuine sociopath, boaz. A perfect embodiment of the 'I got mine, f--- everyone else' mentality of the "Conservative" right.

#119 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The republican ideology in one sentence. Tough luck you're on your own.

The reason we aren't still hunter gatherers is we learned to cooperate and look out for each other.

Cooperation and altruism are not weaknesses. They are the strengths of civilization.

Nothing worthwhile has ever been done by one man working alone. EVER

#120 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You're a genuine sociopath, boaz. A perfect embodiment of the 'I got mine, f--- everyone else' mentality of the "Conservative" right." - #119 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 12:24 PM

Especially when you consider how much he's slopping it up at the socialist trough.

#121 | Posted by Hans at 2017-03-14 12:27 PM | Reply

Hans,

The article is for a single income family of three. If all you can get is minimum wage...you both need to work (which would put the family above the poverty line). How many people should a single income of minimum wage support?

#122 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2017-03-14 12:27 PM | Reply

No, the country doesn't have a serious problem, that person has a serious problem, and it's up to them to respond to better their situation.

#113 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No, the country does have a problem, boaz.

The problem is businesses floating their ------ business model on public services.

The problem compounding the problem is people like you who idolize corporations to the extend that you see no problem in any action of theirs and will bash and rag on people just trying to scrape by.

To think you claim to be Christian. Pfffttt.

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-14 12:27 PM | Reply

Justagirl,
I must have made quite an impression on you since that was posted some time ago. -- A Citizen

*Actually, I read the comments from the top no matter how many there are, and I replied to you as soon as I read it.

#124 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-14 12:34 PM | Reply

It's time for Trump voters to wake up to reality:

"The irony is that for all the GOP's vindictiveness, the collateral damage would be borne disproportionately by Trump's own supporters. By phasing out the ACA's Medicaid expansion, Trumpcare would leave the poor and near-poor far worse off, including the white rural poor in states critical to Trump's victory."

It's really time for poor elderly voters in rural areas to wake up, because Trumpcare will literally be an early death sentence to them:

"Indeed, the rural, elderly poor get whacked three different ways. . . . According to the CBO, a typical low-income 64-year-old's out-of-pocket premium would jump from $1,700 a year to $14,600 a year by 2026. At $500 a pop, that's nearly 26 iPhones. In parts of Trump territory, the increase would be even greater.

newrepublic.com

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Justagirl was trollling me with a post that I estimate is almost eight years old. #114 | POSTED BY A_CITIZEN

You are a loon and I will no longer take the time to reply to you. I was not trolling, I replied to your #90 in this very thread. Since you cannot even recall what you write or when you are not worth the effort.

#126 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-14 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

For all those working class people who voted for Trump because they thought he cared about people like them, wake the hell up:

"If Republicans wanted to cut taxes on the rich, they could cut taxes on the rich (by zeroing out Obamacare's taxes, or cutting other taxes or both) and distribute trillions of dollars in revenue up the income scale without creating a vast humanitarian crisis as collateral damage. The 14 million people who will lose their insurance immediately under AHCA, and the 24 million who will be uninsured 10 years from now as a consequence of it, are necessary not so that Republicans can cut taxes per se, but so that the tax cuts won't expire automatically. These millions of uninsured serve only to make the giant GOP tax cut for the rich permanent, as opposed to merely 10 years long."

newrepublic.com

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-03-14 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Babbles and Boaz are short sighted fools. Not everyone can afford the health care coverage of the past. If they wanted to improve health insurance they would champion single payer. Everyone in noone out.

#128 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-14 12:45 PM | Reply

#113 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Relating health care to a Ferrari is completely ridiculous. It is more like 'everyone should have access to public transportation'. That is my stance - basic needs. I also do not agree that if flipping burgers allowed a person a modest living that everyone would just be that. I wouldnt for damn sure. There are ambitious people out there that want more than modest. I also do not think that the welfare programs should be paying cash benefits to people. If they show a need the money that they are now receiving in cash could be sent in allotments to their bills ie: landlord, utility company, etc. Obviously they are not going to get full rent on a lavish place, maybe the welfare program would have specific property managements that they work with in my scenario. It seems to me like you are awfully hung up on the poor getting basic needs met with some strange belief that they all wear Jordan's, drive Ferrari's, and tweet on the latest Iphone. In my experience that is not the welfare family.

#129 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-03-14 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

115

I don't think we can raise the federal minimum wage to a point where it's as high as that article suggests.

we have so much disparity between the cost of living in Mississippi and New York that they federal minimum wage has to be low enough to make sense in lower cost of living states. Addressing the way cities/counties and even states are makes the most sense.

"You're a genuine sociopath, boaz. A perfect embodiment of the 'I got mine, f--- everyone else' mentality of the "Conservative" right."

Isn't it ironic that Boaz isn't a religious nut nor is he uber wealthy or a trust fund baby. He is a middle income government worker.

LOL.....I really laugh out loud over that. You'd think he'd have to be like Mitt Romney before he'd get accused of being a "sociopath".

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

and he is a minority to boot........how ironic is that??

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

Isn't it ironic that Boaz isn't a religious nut nor is he uber wealthy or a trust fund baby. He is a middle income government worker.

Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

Horse apples. He always screeches this is a Christian nation and blah blah blah and His attitude of one who THINKS he is ritzy.

#132 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-03-14 01:07 PM | Reply

Read more: dailycaller.com

#105 | Posted by afkabl2

Sure. And after that you can tell us what breitbart and infowars have to say about it. Gullible suckers really want to know.

#133 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-14 01:13 PM | Reply

- Relating health care to a Ferrari is completely ridiculous.

It's what they do... and they do ridiculous rather well.

Everyone should pay for their own roads, libraries, parks, police, EMT, firemen.... oh, and sidewalks too.

Nothing more Commie than a sidewalk.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-14 01:14 PM | Reply

132

so? Is he a holy roller? Is he wealthy? Is he born into wealth? Is he even white?

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 01:23 PM | Reply

I want someone to explain why they believe it is ok for someone to work 40 hours a week, generate HUGE profits for their employer, yet not get paid enough to put a roof over their head and food in their mouth.

once upon a time we believed it as a nation and wrote it into law.

In his 1933 address following the passage of the National Industrial Recovery Act, President Franklin D. Roosevelt noted that "no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
"By ‘business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level  --  I mean the wages of decent living," he stated.

Nobody has a right to the labor of another. Labor is the ONLY source of wealth. That is economics 101

Labour was the first price, the original purchase-money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all the wealth of the world was originally purchased; and its value, to those who possess it, and who want to exchange it for some new productions, is precisely equal to the quantity of labour which it can enable them to purchase or command. - Adam Smith

#136 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"I want someone to explain why they believe it is ok for someone to work 40 hours a week, generate HUGE profits for their employer, yet not get paid enough to put a roof over their head and food in their mouth."

most folks work for a small employer.....IOW they are not necessarily generating HUGE profits for anyone. Unless your definition of "huge" is any profit at all.

most of those employers are middle class folks.

Now...do you know any small business owners?

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 02:23 PM | Reply

www.huffingtonpost.com

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 02:24 PM | Reply

The Myth Of The Small-Business Job Engine

The trouble is, small business's role as the star of job creation is not completely accurate. It's true that small businesses -- defined generously as companies with fewer than 500 employees -- account for more than half of all private-sector employment, but the repeated emphasis on those businesses may overshadow some broader truths about the job market.

Small businesses do create the most jobs overall, but as the businesses shrink or die off, they also eliminate the most jobs, leaving little net gain. And while the Small Business Administration says companies with fewer than 500 employees have generated nearly two-thirds of all net new jobs over the last 15 years, economists who sliced the jobs data differently reported in an August 2010 paper that the size of businesses doesn't really matter when it comes to adding jobs -- but their age does.

"The only group that disproportionately creates jobs is startups," says Ron Jarmin, assistant director for research and methodology at the U.S. Census Bureau and coauthor of that research paper, titled "Who Creates Jobs? Small vs. Large Vs. Young."

Startups account for only about 3 percent of U.S. employment, but they are responsible for nearly 20 percent of the gross number of jobs created year to year, according to Jarmin and his coauthors. And the net new jobs from startups can be credited for all the job growth in the U.S. over a stretch of roughly three decades starting in the late 1970s, according to Robert Litan, vice president for research and policy at the Kauffman Foundation, which promotes entrepreneurship.

www.businessinsider.com

Hatter's point is well taken.

#139 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-14 02:29 PM | Reply

The GOP's fake love for small businesses is just an alibi for their love of huge corporate campaign donations.

If they really loved small businesses they'd want single payer health care, getting employers out of the health care business, which is an insane approach to begin with.

Why should ANYONE's health care be tied to their employer, except to give their employer more power over them, make them more tolerant of being overworked, and less likely to seek better opportunities?

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-03-14 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Hatter's point is well taken."

Not really. You made your own point.

MY point is that most folks don't work for a company generating "HUGE" profits. and you didn't address that at all....because it's true.

#141 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 03:48 PM | Reply

140

I agree.

#142 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-14 03:51 PM | Reply

"I had to attain rank to even be able to stay in 20 years. It wasn't just handed to me.
#85 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Oh my gosh! 20 years! How could you ever accomplish that?? You poor little snowflake.

#143 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-03-14 04:26 PM | Reply

The vast majority of low wage jobs are not for mom and pops, they are at large retailers. 15 million Americans are paid $10/hr or less. 6.2 million of those workers work for only 20 large companies.

www.businessinsider.com

Those 20 companies had combined revenue of $808 BILLION not including the THOUSANDS of Franchises revenues that are not included in the parent companies financials

The AVERAGE McDonald's franchise open 1 yer or more in The United states had revenues of $2.6 Million and PROFIT of almost $800,000. Low wages are the chief source of profit. The average McDonald's franchise has less than 20% labor costs. The raw truth is that the average McDonald's as reported in their own franchising statements could double wages and still make a profit without raising prices whatsoever

#144 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 04:32 PM | Reply

I can't take credit for this but I saw it and loved it.

It is the Trump Wealthcare plan.

#145 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 05:11 PM | Reply

So the Trumpcare defenders are using the argument that poor people shouldn't have health insurance in the first place.

What a surprise.

I'm guessing they think Medicare should be repealed too. No sense to give people health care just because they are old.

And repeal Medicare too. No sense giving people health care just because they are in poverty. That will just make people want to be poor, as a way to get health care.

Did I miss anything?

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-14 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Nobody has a right to the labor of another. Labor is the ONLY source of wealth. That is economics 101"

Not sure where you took Econ 101...but you should ask for your money back. Marxian economic theory was abandoned by contemporary economists more than a century ago.

#147 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-03-14 08:40 PM | Reply

Since when is a direct quote from the godfather of free market capitalism Adam Smith Marxian?

#148 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 09:02 PM | Reply

The righties have gone so far right they think Adam Smith was a marxist

#149 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 09:05 PM | Reply

"Since when is a direct quote from the godfather of free market capitalism Adam Smith Marxian?"

Is that a serious question? If so, you REALLY need to get a refund. Marx based his whole economic philosophy on Smith and Ricardo by utilizing the labor theory of value

It wasn't just Marx that was proven incorrect. But Smith and Ricardo as well. It was replaced by marginalism, which provided a more accurate description of a society's economic behavior.

#150 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-03-14 09:05 PM | Reply

but...but...!
We're giving them FREEDOM© and CHOICES© with Trumpcare!
None of these choices involve actual health care, but hey! It's the jingoism that matters, right?
--GOP--

#151 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-03-14 09:14 PM | Reply

But since we're discussing it, I'll take a moment to get a little wonky. First Marx only addressed the utilitarian value of non-service wealth. Those that required the collaboration of the three factors of production. Land, labor, and capital. And under Marx's reasoning, labor was due the cost of the good, minus the cost of land and capital. Which holds true for most utilitarian, undifferentiated products. But he failed to recognize the value of differentiation.

Here's an example. A textile company manufactures jeans for resale. They offer them up to consumers who are willing to purchase them for their utilitarian value, which means that they basically behave as commodities. People buy them because they need something to cover their legs. Nothing more. But then a market department comes in, establishes a brand image, and gets Miley Cyrus to wear them around town. Now they are a differentiated product. People buy them for the brand image, and are willing to pay a lot more for than bran image.

Under the Marxian construct, the increased revenues brought on by the differentiation would go to the workers involved in the production of the jeans...seamstresses, etc. But they didn't do anything different than when the jeans were a commodity. The increased value of the jeans in a result of the marketing department, which Marx would have rejected outright since they didn't change anything relating to the jeans utilitarian value.

Here's where I get hung up. Marx is quoted as saying that only labor can add to value. That's clearly the case here. I just don't know if he would have been able to honestly attribute the increased value to the marketing team, or stay the line that the additional revenues should go to the workers who had nothing to do with increasing the value of the product.

#152 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-03-14 09:20 PM | Reply

Show me where the CBO has ever been right? The CBO is nothing but a predict low so congress can get more money machine.

To think otherwise is partisanship,

#153 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-15 06:06 AM | Reply

#153 - hahahhahhaaa! Crassus using a wholly partisan talking point whining about partisanship!

Do you even hear yourself these days? Don't even bother answering that!

ROFLMAO!!

#154 | Posted by YAV at 2017-03-15 06:18 AM | Reply

Laugh all you want but if you can't show where CBO is correct than it is nothing but partisan hacking.

#155 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-15 06:47 AM | Reply

Compared to what? Obama care is failing.

#156 | Posted by Foldart at 2017-03-15 10:39 AM | Reply

Laugh all you want but if you can't show where CBO is correct than it is nothing but partisan hacking.

#155 | Posted by Crassus

You realize the head of CBO was appointed by the Repub congress 2 years ago, who praised him when they did it, right? So now he's what, a Dem partisan? How'd that happen?

#157 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-03-15 10:59 AM | Reply

Only if by failing you mean insuring lots of people and costing less than anything the GOP can come up with

#158 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-15 11:01 AM | Reply

Here we are back in broken record land. Every assertion I've heard and read so far about how good or bad the new plan will be is EXACTLY the same crap I heard and read when Obama was trying to pass the ACA.

If you are over 30 years old and actually place value in research like this, YOU are part of the problem...not the healthcare law. According to Dems, Obamacare was going to be the savior of America and we would all live in unicorn and fairy land while according to the Reps, Obamacare was going to cause a hole to open that releases Cthulu who will ravage the world and kill everyone. The only thing that has changed since then and now is that it's the Reps on the positive and Dems on the negative. Which actually isn't anything different because that's what always happens.

#159 | Posted by humtake at 2017-03-15 11:23 AM | Reply

Bottom line. Nobody has a crystal ball that can see PRECISE results but the CBO has done a vewry good job at predicting general results

If you don't get bogged down in exact numbers you will see that the CBO correctly predicted that more people would be insured and out of pocket premiums would be lower

There is no objective way to deny that the GOP Wealthcare plan will result in less people with insurance and older people paying much more. There is just no scenario that allows a 64 year old to pay less out of pocket with Trump Wealthcare than they do with the ACA.

Math works. Science works.

#160 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-15 12:31 PM | Reply

Word is they are considering a work requirement for medicaid. In other words they are considering eliminating medicaid because if you repeal the Obamacare medicaid expansion minimum wage income is too much to get medicaid in most states.

Pre-Obamacare 26 states run by republicans adults without dependent children already were ineligible for medicaid regardless of income. unless they were disabled. It is likely those states and more will revert to this post repeal.

In addition pre-obamacare medicaid elegibility was often tied to SSI eligibility and SSI eligibility is reduced dollar for dollar by all earned income after $65/month. As a result the income limit for medicaidand SSI without obamacare expansion in those states is $800/month.

We are just rotten in the way we treat our poor

#161 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-15 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The republican plan for saving money on healthcare is to not provide any

#162 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-15 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I want a trump supporter to tell me how selling insurance across state lines will make it cheaper. How will buying Delaware insurance save me any money in Wisconsin where EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR AND CLINIC IS OUT OF NETWORK? Great you saved me $20/month on my insurance premium but There isn't any place within 900 miles that takes it so now I have to pay 100% out of pocket for my actual healthcare

#163 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-15 05:59 PM | Reply

Laugh all you want but if you can't show where CBO is correct than it is nothing but partisan hacking.

#155 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

I love how you're such a hack who genuinely believes you're not. It's sort of amusing, in an odd way.

www.bostonglobe.com

www.politifact.com

If you were in fact not a hack, you would have looked up the question you asked yourself instead of posting it as if it meant something.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2017-03-15 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The vast majority of low wage jobs are not for mom and pops, they are at large retailers."

did you read your own link? you're wrong and your link doesn't change that.

#165 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-16 12:41 PM | Reply

again...

www.huffingtonpost.com

#166 | Posted by eberly at 2017-03-16 12:42 PM | Reply

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