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Sunday, March 12, 2017

Newly disclosed surveillance video showed Michael Brown making an early-morning visit to a Ferguson, Mo., convenience store on the day he was shot by a police officer in 2014. A second visit by Mr. Brown to the store minutes before he was killed had received much more attention. In the two and a half years since Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., the explosive case has been parsed in intricate detail. Witnesses offered varying descriptions of the fatal encounter. Investigators examined bloodstain evidence on the street where Mr. Brown died. And the police released a security video from a nearby store that showed Mr. Brown pushing a worker and taking cigarillos minutes before the shooting. But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.

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I'm curious, what's your take Aescal?

#1 | Posted by memyselfini at 2017-03-12 10:58 AM | Reply

Those small gas stations around the projects keep tons of Cigarillos on hand. Look at the video and you see a stack no smaller than 3ft tall. They know the small time dealers buy them in bulk to to roll blunts and resell. Id like to know why police didnt question the 3 clerks on the video as to what they were handed. Either way, whether it was weed or rotten hersheys bar they were smelling, Mike Brown didnt pay in advance for Officer Wilsons gun, and therefore shouldnt have tried to taken it away (Per Holders DOJ report). If he really did pay in advance for those cigarillos in weed, Dorian whatshisface (Hands Up Dont Shoot lie author) should have told police.

Mike Brown was a victim of the stupid War on Drugs, broken welfare system, and the cycle of despair in the innercities that has young men dealing drugs days before they are set off to start technical school...

#2 | Posted by aescal at 2017-03-12 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't care if he smoked dope, sold weed, wrapped blunts, or flipped the bird to a cop.

He didn't do anything that we know of to deserve being shot dead.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-12 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Eric Holder and DNA put his hands inside the car and on the gun.

#4 | Posted by aescal at 2017-03-12 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh gawd... here comes walls of text from Dixandagator.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-03-12 12:47 PM | Reply

"Mike Brown was a victim of the stupid War on Drugs, broken welfare system, and the cycle of despair in the innercities that has young men dealing drugs days before they are set off to start technical school..."

I believe that is true but he was also the victim of a trigger happy cop.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-12 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I need one of those browser plugins that changes "Mike Brown" to "Hulk Hogan."

And I want it to say Hulk Hogan in The Ultimate Warrior's voice.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-03-12 01:46 PM | Reply

Not at all surprised that both sides lied/withheld evidence in this when making their claims and accusations.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-03-12 01:51 PM | Reply

Michael Brown was the personification of a thug,
living large in a thug's life and ultimate death.

#9 | Posted by hobart at 2017-03-12 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"He didn't do anything that we know of to deserve being shot dead."

How about this, according to witness accounts and physical evidence...

He fought a cop for his gun and punched him. Witnesses reported when told to stop by the policeman, he rushed towards the officer. The officer first fired low, non-lethal shots, but as Brown continued to rush the officer, he targeted further up Browns body until taking a fatal shot.

#10 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-03-12 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you assault a cop, fight him for his gun then continue to rush him as he defends himself with his side arm, I won't feel sorry for you if you end up dead.

#11 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-03-12 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's see how inflammatory we can get. Good start gents.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-03-12 06:12 PM | Reply

How about this, according to witness accounts and physical evidence...
#10 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

Nope, he deserved a trial and punishment if found guilty.
Not being shot dead in the street by a ----- cop.

#13 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-12 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

People are not radicalized when they immigrate; they get radicalized when here. Life in the west as a second class citizen or screw the west.

Decisions decisions.

#14 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-03-12 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TFD #13

"Nope, he deserved a trial and punishment if found guilty."

LOL ~ Brown made that decision himself.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-03-12 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love all the heroes on here who would have continued to just try and arrest him after he went for their gun.

#16 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2017-03-13 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He didn't do anything that we know of to deserve being shot dead.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You punch a cop and try to take his gun, you get shot dead..and you deserve it.

#17 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-03-13 07:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nope, he deserved a trial and punishment if found guilty."
LOL ~ Brown made that decision himself.

Exactly right. Had he complied he would have been cuffed and brought in to stand trial. TFDNKHKLIST apparently absolves Brown of any and all responsibility for his actions.

#18 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-03-13 08:10 AM | Reply

LOL ~ Brown made that decision himself.
#15 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

TFD...absolves Brown of any and all responsibility for his actions.
#18 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

Both wrong. Please show me the statute that says assaulting a cop or grabbing for his gun is punishable by instant execution. There were many other options for the cop, but he was too much of a wimp, scared to death by a teen, to keep a calm head and do his job properly.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 08:52 AM | Reply

Please show me the statute that says assaulting a cop or grabbing for his gun is punishable by instant execution.

LOL...if you attack or assault a cop you will get shot, at what point do you not understand this?

#20 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 09:30 AM | Reply

Please show me the statute that says assaulting a cop or grabbing for his gun is punishable by instant execution.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 08:52 AM | Reply:

I think we have a real problem with abuse of police power in this country but this is just ridiculous. If someone is trying to take a cop's gun, that's an extreme act. Hitting a cop is an extreme act. In that situation, the cop's life is in danger and he has to defend himself.

Initially I thought Wilson was lying about everything but the evidence seems to mostly back up his story. I still believe that if he had done his job correctly, the incident was avoidable. Detaining someone by ordering him to come to your window is pretty stupid. If you're in a seated postion, you're in a vulnerable position. I'm pretty certain that cops aren't trained to detain people while seated in a car. If he had not helped to create a dangerous situation for himself, things would probably not have escalated to where they did. He should have lost his job because he was doing it incompetently. But Brown still made the decision to attack a cop and it can't be defended.

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 09:55 AM | Reply

Initially I thought Wilson was lying about everything but the evidence seems to mostly back up his story. I still believe that if he had done his job correctly, the incident was avoidable.

Yes it was avoidable, all brown had to do was get out of the street like he was asked, but chose to confront. The error was not the officer, it was brown.

It is amazing what people try to reason an excuse that this was the officers problem. Any normal individual would get out of the street if an officer asked.

#22 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

if you attack or assault a cop you will get shot, at what point do you not understand this?
#20 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

Who says I don't understand it? Doesn't make it legal or acceptable. Wimp cops like Wilson will continue to get away with murder because they can.

#23 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 10:03 AM | Reply

But Brown still made the decision to attack a cop and it can't be defended.

#21 | POSTED BY SULLY

Who's defending his actions? It was still wrong to chase him down and shoot him dead in the street.
Which is it? Brown deserved to die or Wilson didn't do his job correctly? It can't be both.

#24 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 10:06 AM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY CRASSUS

Of course, in a Police State, any refusal to do exactly what a cop tells you (and I'm sure the request was delivered in a polite and respectful way) is punishable by instant death.

#25 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is amazing what people try to reason an excuse that this was the officers problem. Any normal individual would get out of the street if an officer asked.

#22 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are cops supposed to detain people while seated or not, numbnut?

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 10:10 AM | Reply

Who says I don't understand it? Doesn't make it legal or acceptable.

In what world do you live in? confronting and attacking an officer makes it legal and acceptable, it shows the individual is an extreme risk in society. If an individual is willing to attack an officer the individual thinks nothing about common people.

#27 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:10 AM | Reply

What are you talking about num......?

#28 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:11 AM | Reply

Who's defending his actions? It was still wrong to chase him down and shoot him dead in the street.
Which is it? Brown deserved to die or Wilson didn't do his job correctly? It can't be both.

#24 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-03-13 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say anyone deserved to die. You made that up.

It is entirely possible that both Brown and Wilson were at fault. It is actually a very common situation that all parties involved in a violent incident are wrong.

We don't live in a comic book world with clear heros and villians in every situation. Time to grow up.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 10:12 AM | Reply

TFD, end of conversation, not reasonable so a reasonable discussion can't be had.

#30 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:12 AM | Reply

Yea the police officer should of been a good boy and let the thug take his gun and shoot him. Then Obama would solve it all with a beer summit.

#31 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-03-13 10:26 AM | Reply

What are you talking about num......?

#28 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

You claimed the officer made no error while quoting my post where I pointed out that detaining someone from a seated position in his car was a big mistake by Wilson.

So either you are full of crap or officers are supposed to detain people from a seated position.

I know which one it is. So do you. Which is why you won't answer the simple question.

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 10:32 AM | Reply

Detaining from a seated position?

#33 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:35 AM | Reply

Detaining from a seated position?

#33 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, so now you're pretending you don't know what happened. Got it.

Well if you dont know what happened then how do you know the cop didn't make any errors?

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 10:54 AM | Reply

I know what happened, I question if you do!

#35 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 11:02 AM | Reply

One thing we can all agree on is that we were not there and we don't really know what happened.

The next part is what is troubling to me. We have two groups that need to be edited out of the discussion.

One group is anti-cop and consider the officer a murderer and claim to KNOW Brown was murdered. You don't really know much

The second group is one that accepts the word of an officer without question.

Excluding suicides, 9% of people shot dead in America in 2015 were shot BY POLICE.

The UK has very similar crime rates and about 20% of our population. In the UK police have killed only 42 people in the last 40 YEARS. Our police have found it necesary to kill that many people SINCE FEBRUARY 23.

Why is it that despite having twice as many officers per capita, and arming them much more heavily, and incarcerating people at 6 times the rate of the UK, and killing suspects at 1200 times the rate of the UK, Our crime rates aren't any lower?

#36 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-13 12:32 PM | Reply

I know what happened, I question if you do!

#35 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-13 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you did, then you would know that, according to his own words, he pulled his car across the street to block Brown's path then called Brown over to the car without getting out first. Which exactly fits what I said.

#37 | Posted by Sully at 2017-03-13 12:45 PM | Reply

Why is it that despite having twice as many officers per capita, and arming them much more heavily, and incarcerating people at 6 times the rate of the UK, and killing suspects at 1200 times the rate of the UK, Our crime rates aren't any lower?
#36 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

"Entitlements." -- BOAZ

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-03-13 12:46 PM | Reply

#36

Just curious as where you are getting 9% from?

ucr.fbi.gov

Latest FBI #s are from 2013 and only show 461 LE justifiable homicides.

2013 Homicides for all agencies show 13483

ucr.fbi.gov

461 =/= 9%

Its safe to say that the UK is also a police state. CCTV everywhere, permits needed for even TVs, no free speech, 18 to buy a butterknife etc...

Im sure North Korea has very few homicides if you exclude all the people executed for asking a another ration of 100gms of rice...

#39 | Posted by aescal at 2017-03-13 01:09 PM | Reply

KilledbyPolice.net has 1210 VERY WELL DOCUMENTED police killings in 2015. I'm not expressing an opinion on justified or not.

There were 13286 people killed by gun violence not including suicides in 2015

1210/13286 = 9.1%

FBI stats for police involved shootings are not a good source as there was no requirement to report killings by officers and statistics were not collected by the feds. A Data collection pilot program was to begin this year but that was an Obama initiative and is yet to be addressed by Trump. I'm doubtful Trump will go forward with it.

www.usatoday.com

www.killedbypolice.net

www.justice.gov

#40 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-13 02:03 PM | Reply

That 2nd site is very well documented. Thanks for the link. I go off the FBI stats but know they arent totally accurate. If Trump is gonna do the crime by immigrant thing we should also do a death in police custody/shooting one as well. The more information that we have the better to be able to look at it and make a determination.

I totally forgot this one:

www.theguardian.com

Seems odd that a British outlet would have more detailed info than a US media outlet. But here it is. I think one of the reasons we dont collect in depth is the same reason that Canada no longer does as well. It shows that our violence is centered in certain areas and a certain demographic. Its an uncomfortable fact Left wants to ignore and the Right just dont give a .... about. One side looks a solution that involved decriminalizing everything and banning guns and the other goes to the opposite extreme with mandatory minimums and harsh sentencing. Both ignore the root causes of crime in those areas. For the same reason that areas with % concentration of home owners have a lower crime rate than areas with high % of rentals, we need to look at getting the American Dream back for everyone, not just those that make over 6 figures per year.

Its a double edged sword this whole policing thing. Communities demand better trained police more representative of their communities, but making higher education requirements leads to fewer people representative of those communities apply and pass exams to be LEOs. Who is realistically gonna go to college for 4+ years to settle for a job that may pay 15$+ hr? There are people that do, but few and far between (teachers, and the most important job out there pays nothing paycheck wise..mothers)

Until we can have truely open discussion, with one side taking off the blinders and the other loosening the purse strings, this problem is gonna be persistent.....

#41 | Posted by aescal at 2017-03-13 02:59 PM | Reply

The war on unions has lead to lower, wages, lower benefits, and more difficult working conditions. As a result some very good people we really NEED in our police forces wont consifer the career. The pool of applicants has changed dramatically.

While a bachelors degree is a requirement for Federal law enforcement jobs, at the state level pretty much anyone with a heartbeat and no felonies can become a police officer with as little as 9 weeks of training.

www.cnn.com

The requirements for our local city department:

A United States citizen and at least 18 years of age at the time of application per City Ordinance Sec. 62.13(4)(d)Stats.
High school graduate or possess a G.E.D. High School Equivalency Diploma.
Possess a current driver's license and be eligible for a Wisconsin driver's license.
Meet our occupational health standard. Go to the comprehensive list of job-related dimensions.
No felony convictions (unless pardoned by the Governor of the State). Domestic violence convictions are automatic disqualifiers.
No conviction record or pending charge which substantially relates to the work of a Police Officer.
In addition, any new officer who does not possess a two-year associate degree or sixty credits from an accredited college at time of hire must meet this standard within five years.

#42 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-13 04:32 PM | Reply

Just watched the full unedited tape. I dont know WTH this filmmaker was thinking trying to NBC the video for his documentary. MB clearly walks out of the store with the baggie when the clerk in black denies him his trade. And by him releasing the tape the police and prosecutor can now comment on it, and we learn that MB as a drug dealer as well as strong armed robber....

#43 | Posted by aescal at 2017-03-14 01:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Neither offense carries the death penalty.

#44 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-03-14 01:35 PM | Reply

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