Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, February 17, 2017

The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by the Associated Press. The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal -- California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas -- but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four -- Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. White House spokesman Sean Spicer claimed the AP report was "100 percent not sure" and "irresponsible."

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"There is no effort at all to utilize the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants,"

-- Spicy Sean

Man, it would be cool if any of you people had an ounce of credibility.

You know, like if you weren't the sort of people who told lies about everything from crowd sizes to vote totals.

#1 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember when Imaginary Obama said he was going to invade Texas?

Yup, me neither

But that didn't stop the DR tools from spinning in circles about Imaginary Obamas secrete plan to invade.

Where are these people now I wonder? You know, to comment on an actual document that people actually wrote about their actual plans?

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-02-17 11:19 AM | Reply

Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented gang members?

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 11:20 AM | Reply

Another 'fake news' story from the once trusted ap.

#4 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-02-17 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Another 'fake news' story ..." - #4 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-02-17 11:30 AM

No it isn't.

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2017-02-17 11:37 AM | Reply

So we're going to have soldiers banging on front doors.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 11:48 AM | Reply

2.bp.blogspot.com

AP stopped being a real news organization the moment it started shilling for Hillary. They now fall under the LOL News category..

#7 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented mothers of citizens?"

#8 | Posted by danni at 2017-02-17 12:10 PM | Reply

5 - Sure it is.
You're welcome

#9 | Posted by homerj at 2017-02-17 12:17 PM | Reply

#5 Here is the link idiot.www.dailymail.co.uk

#10 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 12:19 PM | Reply

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@#3 Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented gang members?

The end does not justify the means.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-02-17 12:19 PM | Reply

Where are these people now I wonder? You know, to comment on an actual document that people actually wrote about their actual plans?

#2 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-02-17 11:19 AM | FLAG:

The story is fake chiefdumbass. Try and keep up for once.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 12:27 PM | Reply

"Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented mothers of citizens?"
#8 | POSTED BY DANNI

Instead of deflecting, just answer the question; it's really simple.

Do you support the deportation of undocumented gang members and criminals?

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 12:33 PM | Reply

Reuters is reporting this is not real.

#14 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2017-02-17 12:35 PM | Reply

Reuters is reporting this is not real.
#14 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

No. Stop. let them freak out over it and repeat it endlessly in multiple threads.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 12:36 PM | Reply

That is why it gets written because these sheep just lap it up. They are clueless.

#16 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember that chatty Federalist Paper #46 where James Madison points to an armed local militia as a counter to a tyrannical state, thus laying out the true purpose of the Second Amendment? Nope? You should. I'm no gun freak or gun owner, but this matter comes close to the need for an armed populace, to put off the tin soldiers Neil Young sung about.

After coming for the 'illegals' who might they come for? Muslims? Democrats? (fill in the blank here)?

#17 | Posted by catdog at 2017-02-17 12:40 PM | Reply

"Do you support the deportation of undocumented gang members and criminals?"

If they have no documentation how do you know they are gang members or criminals?

Is this another one of those superpowers? You know, like communing with the dead "founders" and being able to determine someone circumstance by what's in their grocery cart?

#18 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-02-17 12:43 PM | Reply

They are really working hard to tamp this down, which obviously means it's true.

#19 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-02-17 12:47 PM | Reply

gang member membership card, #18.

Duh!!!

#20 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 12:48 PM | Reply

#17

And what happens when a tyrannical state refuses to police its populace and allows mobs of people to loot stores / set them on fire / attack people with different beliefs with shovels and bricks / assault reporters?

Left doesnt want an armed populace because like any communist or socialist country its easier to control the populace and subjugate them if they cant fight back.

The lady deported in AZ used someones SS number to obtain employement and benefits. If there is nothing wrong with that then people need to put their money with their mouth is and post their SS info /moms maiden name / previous addresses etc here. Dont write checks with your mouth that the rear end cant cash...

#21 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 12:48 PM | Reply

"Left doesnt want an armed populace because like any communist or socialist country its easier to control the populace and subjugate them if they cant fight back."

You can't fight back anyway, idiot. Unless your nickel-plated show pistol can take on a tank.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 12:53 PM | Reply

Undocumented gang members and criminals WERE being prioritized for deportation under the Obama policy. If you use your resources to deport the worst, then you keep us safe. Under Drumpf it appears they are more interested in pure numbers, which means that during last week's raids lots of hard core criminals and gang members were free to do as they please as ICE went after the easy targets, the mothers of US citizens, et.

#23 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-02-17 12:54 PM | Reply

It is absolutely amazing that the resident Trumpsters can't comprehend simple English language sentences. First, the story is that an 11 page document exists within the Trump WH outlining a plan to utilize the National Guard to round up undocumented individuals. This has never been denied by WH sources. The document wouldn't exist if someone within the Trump Administration didn't think such a contingency needed to be analyzed and discussed as a plausibility.

What is being denied by the White House is that the plan will be implemented, not that such a white paper does not indeed exist. Two separate issues that most intelligent people can figure out without the need to bleat out "Fake news!"

Kindly learn the difference and save us the sycophantic infantile misplaced faux outrage.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-02-17 12:55 PM | Reply

Hitler used little yellow star badges to mark people as apart from his angry white base.

Maybe Trump will use little green jalapenos.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2017-02-17 01:02 PM | Reply

#24 No, the issue here and way too often is if there is even just a hint of "a discussion" people like you get all panty wrapped and say the sky is falling based on only a discussion.

#26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 01:05 PM | Reply

#25 Trust us Corky you won't need any type of badge.

#27 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 01:06 PM | Reply

#22

t: I think we won Vietman and we have those Afghan dirt farmers on the run becuase muh AK-47 will never defeat a tank!!!

Its like a dream with yall that the left can call for a revolution and the Military will just throw out the Constitution and confiscate guns like in Democrat run NO and LA and violate peoples rights for the sake of muh liberalism...

#24

you talk bout comprehending English. The plan was presented to the WH on Jan. 25th. AP reports that its being considered. WH denies that.
Missouri KKK endorsed HRC during the campaign. Does that mean HRC considered accepting the endorsement?

Seriously. The MSM LOL news is so desperate to find anything on Trump they are making stuff up for the sole purpose of placating its snowflake base and trying to stay relevant.

#28 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 01:08 PM | Reply

I'll just trust that discussions don't get operationalized so I don't have to tell the nice Guardsman to stick it.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 01:11 PM | Reply

#27

We'll get you an Orange Badge signifying yet another Trump con mark.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2017-02-17 01:12 PM | Reply

I can't in good faith Funny a comment linked to the holocaust, but the 2nd part made me chuckle, Corky.

#31 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-02-17 01:13 PM | Reply

"Desperate to find things on Trump"

Less so far than Donald's tried to hide them.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 01:14 PM | Reply

You can't fight back anyway, idiot. Unless your nickel-plated show pistol can take on a tank.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 12:53 PM | Reply

Tell it to the Viet Cong.

#33 | Posted by sully at 2017-02-17 01:15 PM | Reply

"t: I think we won Vietman and we have those Afghan dirt farmers on the run becuase muh AK-47 will never defeat a tank!!!"

Apples and oranges. The armies in those conflicts had military weapons of their own and plenty of them.

"Its like a dream with yall that the left can call for a revolution and the Military will just throw out the Constitution and confiscate guns like in Democrat run NO and LA and violate peoples rights for the sake of muh liberalism..."

So, which is it? Are you saying guns are the answer to the use of the military on the populace? If so, you are an idiot because they can defeat your guns. Or are you saying that the refusal of the military to consent to being used against you is what will protect you? In that case, you are still an idiot because why, then, would you need the guns? In fact, if you are counting on the military to refuse to oppress you, your having guns actually hurts your chances, because once you pick up a weapon, even a laughably weak one, you stop being a fellow citizen and you become an insurgent and the US military has been trained to kill insurgents for decades.

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:17 PM | Reply

The VC were armed with nickel plated pistols?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 01:17 PM | Reply

Tell it to the Viet Cong.

#33 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 01:15 PM | FLAG:

They agree with me.

#36 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This has never been denied by WH sources. - TonyRoma

It has been denied being written by the supposed author of the memo John Kelly.

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-02-17 01:18 PM | Reply

"The White House on Friday said there was no plan to utilize the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants, after a news report asserted that the proposal had been under consideration by the Trump administration.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters he couldn't categorically say the move had never been discussed anywhere in the administration."

www.reuters.com

And Trump says he doesn't care what the press says. Well, they outed this plan and now it's dust.

Good job, press!

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2017-02-17 01:19 PM | Reply

#34

Yeah whatever Dirk. You must think the VC defeated us with massive armor brigades or fleets of warships. And them Afghans with their mobilized divisions and superior aircover.....

Cuz people fighting for their homes and their beliefs will never triumph over superior weaponry? Amarite?

#39 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 01:25 PM | Reply

"Tell it to the Viet Cong"

The Viet Cong were a guerrilla force funded and supplied by the North Vietnamese army. They had artillery, rockets, grenades, etc.
The DR -------- got maybe a pistol and at most a thousand rounds

Who is going to fund and supply these idiots? The Russians?
These people live in a fantasy land

#40 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-02-17 01:26 PM | Reply

And Trump says he doesn't care what the press says. Well, they outed this plan and now it's dust.
Good job, press!

#38 | POSTED BY CORKY

This is Corky and his ilk's plan: Manufacture fake news then claim that it thwarted a crisis.

too funny. except that it's really his globalist-corporate handlers that pull his strings. which is not funny.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 01:30 PM | Reply

We fund and supply weapons to our enemies all the time, so I'd assume the U.S. government would supply them.

#42 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 01:30 PM | Reply

"Yeah whatever Dirk. You must think the VC defeated us with massive armor brigades or fleets of warships. And them Afghans with their mobilized divisions and superior aircover....."

They had more than you would have. Loads of military weapons supplied by the Soviets (or the US, in the Afghan case). And better training and leadership. And lest we forget, the North Vietnamese regular army was one of the best in the world at the time. Also, the gap between civilian and military firepower has only grown since then.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:31 PM | Reply

#43

In the real world

AR15 defeats High Capacity Assault Safety Pin

Everytime....

#44 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 01:37 PM | Reply

The number of veterans and combat veterans in this country is immense. I'm not taking a side here, but training and tactics, not to mention leadership wouldn't be in short supply in the beginning.

#45 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 01:39 PM | Reply

I see the Trump Pets are locking and loading again. Maybe they'll shoot their foot off this time.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2017-02-17 01:42 PM | Reply

#43
In the real world
AR15 defeats High Capacity Assault Safety Pin
Everytime....

#44 | POSTED BY AESCAL AT 2017-02-17 01:37 PM | FLAG:

And neither defeats a tank. So your argument that your privately held gun is a check against tyranny remains moronic.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:44 PM | Reply

I see the Trump Pets are locking and loading again. Maybe they'll shoot their foot off this time.
#46 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-02-17 01:42 PM | FLAG:

They are way more likely to than to ever shoot someone in self defense.

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IEDs are easy enough to make. There are plenty of explosives experts in the populace.
The military isn't going to flatten towns, so tanks are useless in the urban environment. Same with our bombs.

It's easier to explain brown collaterals.

#49 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 01:52 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-02-17 01:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You've become among the top 10 shills for The TrumpenFuhrer here Sheepdip. I'd long suspected that you and Silly were among the Na...Trump sympathizers.

#50 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fact that Kelly used this suggestion in an internal study memorandum says that we are right to be ever vigilant. These are some of the very things that I warned about prior to the election.

Said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone that's still supporting, enabling or working for Trump must be considered a mortal enemy of our republic.

#51 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47

The tanker probably identifies more morally and norm wise with the guy holding the AR15 and respecting the Constitution than the violent protester with the Assault safety pins burning down stores, looting pharmacies, attacking civilians...

and again you think our military might and tanks and planes and warships led us to victory in Vietnam and Afghanistan...

#52 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 02:00 PM | Reply

#50 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ankle nip noted.

#53 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:01 PM | Reply

And neither defeats a tank. So your argument that your privately held gun is a check against tyranny remains moronic.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

The goal of resistance movements isn't to defeat tanks. Nor is it necessary that they do so in order to succeed.

I'm not even a gun owner, let alone a gun adovcoate. But the idea that guns would be useless in the face of large scale government tyrannty in the US is just stupid.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:04 PM | Reply

"IEDs are easy enough to make."

Not really. The US is not flush with military grade explosives like Iraq and Afghanistan.

"There are plenty of explosives experts in the populace."

They'd have a fun time trying to cobble together IEDs with industrial chemicals without making themselves nice and easy to find.

"The military isn't going to flatten towns,"

Why not? They did that and worse the last time.

"so tanks are useless in the urban environment."

Doesn't follow. Nothing to keep you from rolling down a street and shelling the odd fortification, while otherwise keeping collateral damage to a minimum. Lots of nice big streets in the US. Also, they'd still make mincemeat out of resistance in rural areas.

"Same with our bombs."

Aren't we always hearing how accurate they are?

Anyway, what about the infantry asymmetry? The average gun owner doesn't even have a weapon that can defeat the body army of the lowliest army grunt.

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:06 PM | Reply

Dirk,
The tribe has spoken...

#56 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 02:06 PM | Reply

Sully not all would see it as tyranny. Some would join the government side in rounding up the Jews^H^H^H^H illegals.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 02:06 PM | Reply

I'm not even a gun owner, let alone a gun adovcoate. But the idea that guns would be useless in the face of large scale government tyrannty in the US is just stupid.

#54 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 02:04 PM | FLAG:

Because you say so?

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:07 PM | Reply

The guns owned by the average person is the US would be effective. Effective in giving the military clear targeting ability.

#59 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:07 PM | Reply

"and again you think our military might and tanks and planes and warships led us to victory in Vietnam and Afghanistan..."

I've heard the problem was overly strict rules of engagement.

So to fix that, turn the overly brown parts of the US into a free fire zone. #MAGA

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 02:09 PM | Reply

"The tanker probably identifies more morally and norm wise with the guy holding the AR15 and respecting the Constitution than the violent protester with the Assault safety pins burning down stores, looting pharmacies, attacking civilians..."

They wouldn't identify at all: people with weapons are targets. It is how they are trained. So, you are stuck the the dilemma I posed earlier: why the need for guns?

"and again you think our military might and tanks and planes and warships led us to victory in Vietnam and Afghanistan..."

Again, apples and oranges.

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:11 PM | Reply

The guns owned by the average person is the US would be effective. Effective in giving the military clear targeting ability.

#59 | POSTED BY REAGAN58 AT 2017-02-17 02:07 PM | FLAG:

Bingo.

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:11 PM | Reply

No, really. They're easy to make.
You don't seem to understand...this is our territory. Many of those that would be doing the fighting in this far fetched scenario are veterans, that lived on these military posts, still know people there. Know where the equipment is, what security protocols are, etc.

Nobody is building fortifications. That's not how the war would be fought. You're not seeming to grasp what every other weaker enemy we've had has taught the world. Don't engage the U.S. Military head on.

Again, it won't happen, but if it did, getting hands on explosives and mines would be easy. Most anyone I've served with is retired. Not the same for friends and relatives that are younger. There'd be a lot of current military that would "defect" or stay in and sabotage.

#63 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 02:13 PM | Reply

Sully not all would see it as tyranny. Some would join the government side in rounding up the Jews^H^H^H^H illegals.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was speaking hypothetically. Although its hard to imagine the use of the national guard in this way not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

#64 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:16 PM | Reply

So, again, your answer doesn't end up being "we could actually resist using our guns." It ends up being "the military wouldn't cooperate." In which case, the argument for guns as a check against tyranny becomes pretty pointless.

#65 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:18 PM | Reply

I was extremely well trained in exactly the type of insurgent conflict that you're all talking about here. Granted it was decades ago but the concepts have not changed all that much but the weapons that the military possesses now have. The best weapon that I ever carried in the field was a Stoner 63 but you don't see many of those in civilian hands. Even with a weapon like that and training I probably wouldn't last 3 hours against a platoon of marines equipped with a standard kit.

#66 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:19 PM | Reply

Because you say so?

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, because resistance movements tend to focus on the softest targets and guns are great against soft targets.

Your argument is based on people with civilian weapons taking on heavily armed troops, which isn't how resistance movements operate.

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:19 PM | Reply

Even with a weapon like that and training I probably wouldn't last 3 hours against a platoon of marines equipped with a standard kit.

#66 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

What if the soldiers were stumbling out of a bar? Or your target is't a soldier but an administrator of some sort?

#68 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:23 PM | Reply

Defections in this type of situation have been war gamed extensively since the Cold War. 3-5% is the estimated range for active duty regular military. 8-14% for Guard and Reserve type troops. Those numbers run to the low end as soon as you have a REMF like Boaz putting his sidearm on the back of a deserter's head and applying 3 pounds.

#69 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:24 PM | Reply

66
You don't need to fight them for 3 hours.
You just need to ambush them while they're at Hardy's or Subway and steal their kit. Then pass it out.

The chair is against the wall. John has a long mustache.

You trained to work with a foreign faction and help them fight their govt.
here we could blend into the woodwork and pilfer/cheat/lie.
Strike when the opportunity presents itself.

#70 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 02:25 PM | Reply

Silly has watched Red Dawn too many times.

#71 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:25 PM | Reply

i.yuki.la

Interesting read. Noway of verifying posters authenticity. But still interesting.

Again its liberal "not dry" dream that the US military would turn on its population at the will of the President in violation of the Constitution. Nice to know who would be on the side of this guy www.statesman.com defending his right to stay in the country after molesting a 9yr old girl...

#72 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 02:26 PM | Reply

"66
You don't need to fight them for 3 hours.
You just need to ambush them while they're at Hardy's or Subway and steal their kit. Then pass it out."

Hard to steal a vehicle that way. And how do you get reloads? Keep stealing, keep ambushing? Eventually they will get wise.

"The chair is against the wall. John has a long mustache.
You trained to work with a foreign faction and help them fight their govt.
here we could blend into the woodwork and pilfer/cheat/lie.
Strike when the opportunity presents itself."

But you can't really, you know. The electronic weapons are as good or better than the literal physical ones: they can track your online presence, check your records, bug your phones, intercept your broadcast, twice as easily as with Al-Quaeda in some cave BECAUSE you are a local and BECUASE vet or not you've never been on the receiving bing end.

#73 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:34 PM | Reply

Silly has watched Red Dawn too many times.

#71 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is so fantastic about ambushing vulnerable targets?

You only think this takes alot of imagination because you apparently have none at all.

#74 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:35 PM | Reply

The most realistic example of armed resistance against goverment tyranny in the US would really be defending yourself against local police that have gone too far.

And this has been done successfully.

#75 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 02:37 PM | Reply

"but the weapons that the military possesses now have"

There will be no escaping the surveillance state. Its really just a matter of having a big enough occupying force. And finding enough bureaucrats to do the work. This is where one party states come in pretty handy.

Helps when people chant "Lock Her Up!" about the opposition candidate at your rallies.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented mothers of citizens?"

#8 | POSTED BY DANNI

No. I have no problem with deporting illegals. They may take their children with them or their children, if they are US citizens, can be left behind for the State to raise.

#77 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-02-17 02:45 PM | Reply

#76

But only one party has supporters willing to burn down stores / lob molotovs at police / assault citizens because of different beliefs / set campuses on fire....

#78 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 02:48 PM | Reply

The most realistic example of armed resistance against goverment tyranny in the US would really be defending yourself against local police that have gone too far.
And this has been done successfully.

#75 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 02:37 PM | FLAG:

Moving the goalposts. Are your you conceding that resistance against the military wouldn't work then? I'm also going to need examples of resisting police overreach in the manner you describe (since they too now have military tech).

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:51 PM | Reply

But only one party has supporters willing to burn down stores / lob molotovs at police / assault citizens because of different beliefs / set campuses on fire....
#78 | POSTED BY AESCAL AT 2017-02-17 02:48 PM | FLAG:

Right wing outrages make such things look like jokes. Why don't you google the Oklahoma City bombing, idiot.

#80 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And this has been done successfully.
#75 | POSTED BY SULLY"

Far more have died at the hands of police. Fear of death is the only motivator the state really has, at least that's what it says in that Leviathan thing.

Trump wants people living in fear. So he can sell them the cure, which is more police protection. And possibly some armed citizens brigades.

Trump is merely using the power of the state to draw the fear of death into sharp relief.

Same thing Obama did with the recruiting of simpletons and psy-oping them into a FBI terror plot.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 02:55 PM | Reply

Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented gang members?

Just out of curiosity, do you have any problem with deporting undocumented mothers of citizens?

It seems really simple to find a solution here that would be both compassionate and give the US a manageable immigration policy. The only thing that gets in the way is partisan mistrust.

#82 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-02-17 02:56 PM | Reply

The military are NOT this nation's law enforcement nor should they be. IF he does this... Wow.

#83 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-02-17 02:57 PM | Reply

The documents, that the DHS admits exist, didn't draft themselves.

#84 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 02:57 PM | Reply

There would be no stomach for collateral damage here in the USA. Resisting the military could work. I have zero doubt.

this fantasy scenario has a million caveats.

Totally doable though.

#85 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-02-17 02:59 PM | Reply

#74 What you're forgetting or probably don't know is that the US military has a huge fleet of drones that can identify anyone that is armed while loitering over an area from up to thousands of feet of altitude. If they're used at an altitude of 1K feet they are effectively out of range of nearly any ground fire and can identify armed ground personnel allowing troops to easily engage. Granted there are probably not enough (currently) to cover the entire US they really only need to control key areas.

Did I mention that I was extremely well trained in how all this works?

#86 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But only one party has supporters willing to burn down stores / lob molotovs at police / assault citizens because of different beliefs / set campuses on fire....

#78 | Posted by aescal

To add to #80 | Posted by DirkStruan - Atlanta Olympic Games Terrorist attack, Carolina Church Massacre, etc.

Get a grip on reality please. There are extremists on both sides.

#87 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-02-17 02:59 PM | Reply

"their children, if they are US citizens, can be left behind for the State to raise.
#77 | POSTED BY PETROUS"

So you're okay with the state essentially adopting certain citizens by deporting their parents.

That's kidnapping.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:00 PM | Reply

Moving the goalposts. Are your you conceding that resistance against the military wouldn't work then? I'm also going to need examples of resisting police overreach in the manner you describe (since they too now have military tech).

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Don't be dishonest. You attacked the idea that guns would be useful in protecting oneself against an abusive government. Abusive police would be the the most likely scenario. Nobody agreed that the topic has to be discussed in the dumbest, most unrealistic way possible. Pointing out that your extreme example is not the only possibility is not "moving the goalposts".

Nobody said armed resistance against the military would work. Armed resistance agaisnt an abusive government by going after soft targets could work. There is little use in being a bigshot a member of the elite if you're in constant fear of being shot.

#89 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:01 PM | Reply

Sully a few judges have been shot from time to time. Are you saying if people start going Newtown on soft targets that people won't welcome martial law, or what?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:04 PM | Reply

I wrote #89 before #85 was posted. Now someone did say that resisting the US military could work.

But I think his argument is based on the military personnel eventually refusing to slaughter its own people more than civilians actually winning head on battles.

It is pretty unrealistic to think military personnel are going to continuously slaughter people who are just like them for the benefit of the global elite.

#91 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:05 PM | Reply

Tiananmen Square might still be occupied if only the Chinese had the benefit of the Second Amendment, is that really what some of you believe? LMFAO

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:07 PM | Reply

No Sully, the discussion began from the discovery of the memo being circulated by your beloved Trump administration of calling up the Nasty Guard to round up Mexicans. The memo exists even if it was pie in the sky tactical thought games. It's a really short step from there to rounding up (insert Trump enemy).

#93 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:09 PM | Reply

It certainly is #92.

They think that the only reason Obama didn't put their grandmas in front of one of his death panels is because some guy in Kentucky has 3 shotguns instead of just 2.

#94 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 03:10 PM | Reply

Sully a few judges have been shot from time to time. Are you saying if people start going Newtown on soft targets that people won't welcome martial law, or what?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

No. I'm saying that there are people who give orders to the army (and people who give orders to people who give orders to the army). So in this hypothetical scenario where there is a ruling class that is using the US military to opress the general population: If you make it so that they can't leave their home without worrying about being shot randomly, the ruling class would quickly realize that they've gone to far. Its not fun to have to live behind layers and layers of security. Having all the money in the world is pointless if you have to live like a prisoner.

#95 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:11 PM | Reply

- a manageable immigration policy.

Which I fully support. I absolutely want us to legally allow immigrants and refugees into our country...the more the better. But there are processes and procedures that need to be completed or we don't have a border.

Additionally there are those who've gamed the system, abused, ran from, and not cooperated within the system for years or decades that need to go. and that doesn't address the gangs and criminals.

#96 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:11 PM | Reply

#91 Were you ever in service? I don't recall. The first time some citizen resistor snipes one of a units soldier coming out of a bar or while eating at Hardee's you've instilled a desire to kill no matter what they look like.

#97 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:12 PM | Reply

#93

A DHS official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the memorandum obtained by the Associated Press was an "early, early version" of a document being prepared by staff for Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly. Discussion of the National Guard was dropped before the memo ever made it to Kelly's desk, the official said.

From www.reuters.com

AP jumped the gun trying to spread fake news and keep their Hillary aligned donors.. blew up in their face...

#98 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:12 PM | Reply

Tiananmen Square might still be occupied if only the Chinese had the benefit of the Second Amendment, is that really what some of you believe? LMFAO

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, every time you ask some version of "so what you're saying", you say something incredibly stupid that merely betrays your inability to understand others. LOL

#99 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:13 PM | Reply

There would be no stomach for collateral damage here in the USA. Resisting the military could work. I have zero doubt.
this fantasy scenario has a million caveats.
Totally doable though.

#85 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2017-02-17 02:59 PM | FLAG:

If you say so. You really haven't made your case.

#100 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 03:13 PM | Reply

It is pretty unrealistic to think military personnel are going to continuously slaughter people who are just like them for the benefit of the global elite.

#91 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 03:05 PM | FLAG:

Why would they stop now?

#101 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 03:14 PM | Reply

"#5 Here is the link....www.dailymail.co. uk" - #10 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-02-17 12:19 PM

The "link" where the lying White House spokesperson claims the news story is a lie.

See also: Star Trek TOS, I, Mudd, Liar's Paradox

#102 | Posted by Hans at 2017-02-17 03:14 PM | Reply

#91 Were you ever in service? I don't recall. The first time some citizen resistor snipes one of a units soldier coming out of a bar or while eating at Hardee's you've instilled a desire to kill no matter what they look like.

#97 | POSTED BY REAGAN58 AT 2017-02-17 03:12 PM | FLAG:

Right. To which I would again add, look at what happened last time...

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 03:16 PM | Reply

#91 Were you ever in service? I don't recall. The first time some citizen resistor snipes one of a units soldier coming out of a bar or while eating at Hardee's you've instilled a desire to kill no matter what they look like.

#97 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, I was not in the service and that is a good point. Attacking soldiers would really only make sense if they are already doing their worst.

How about sniping at or blowing up the civilians who are giving the orders to the military?

Armed resistance has a long history of working.

#104 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:16 PM | Reply

Why would they stop now?

#101 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cute but pointless.

#105 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:17 PM | Reply

Sully I'm just not feeling it. You'd need a lot of targeted killings to really put that fear into people. And where are you going to find that many self-radicalized shooters willing to die for the cause?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:18 PM | Reply

AP jumped the gun trying to spread fake news and keep their Hillary aligned donors.. blew up in their face...

#98 | POSTED BY AESCAL AT 2017-02-17 03:12 PM | FLAG:

So again, I'll say two things. Even if it was simply brainstorming it shows that this administration has taken the leash off of decency, constitutionality and morality.

And....Anyone that is still supporting, enabling or working to the admin is now a mortal enemy of our republic.

#107 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:19 PM | Reply

Sully I'm just not feeling it. You'd need a lot of targeted killings to really put that fear into people. And where are you going to find that many self-radicalized shooters willing to die for the cause?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

We're talking about a highly unlikely, worst case scenario where the US military is actively using violence to oppress American citizens. Basically Americans would be living like Palestinians.

The realistic scenario would involve a more localized tyrant like a cop or a couple of cops who have exceeded their authority.

#108 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:21 PM | Reply

Armed resistance has a long history of working.

#104 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 03:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

That's a great idea provided you're able to get in range to do it. Problem with that is that are plenty of others that will step in give those orders.

Secondarily, while all of this is occurring you just know that Russia and China are drawing up the maps of how they'll spit up what's left.

#109 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:26 PM | Reply

Kinda suggests guns didn't stop it, if brave Patriot lone wolves are fighting back by picking off judges and cops...

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 03:27 PM | Reply

And....Anyone that is still supporting, enabling or working to the admin is now a mortal enemy of our republic.
POSTED BY REAGAN58

Just so we're clear, do you advocate overthrowing this gov't?

#111 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:28 PM | Reply

#108 If I was command authority that would be the very first thing that I'd do. Coopt local LEOs under federal control and give them free rein. It would then become a distinction without a difference.

#112 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:29 PM | Reply

But only one party has supporters willing to burn down stores / lob molotovs at police / assault citizens because of different beliefs / set campuses on fire....

Only one party has supporters eager to blow up daycare centers.

pbs.twimg.com

#113 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2017-02-17 03:31 PM | Reply

Just so we're clear, do you advocate overthrowing this gov't?

#111 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2017-02-17 03:28 PM | FLAG:

No Sheepdip, I'm not advocating the overthrow of your Dear Donnie. Now impeachment is another story all together. I'm providing critique of the thoughts that some here seem to have about resisting a military coup.

#114 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:32 PM | Reply

Advocating overthrow of this government? Stop being stupid. You're the one who loves chaos and confusion. You're the one who wants to break things

#115 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:32 PM | Reply

Secondarily, while all of this is occurring you just know that Russia and China are drawing up the maps of how they'll spit up what's left.

#109 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which is another reason for the people in charge to back off. Resistance doesn't have to win so much as it has to make continuing along the same path "not worth it". Ireland didn't defeat the British Empire. They just made themselves a bigger bother than they're worth.

I believe that historically, its been revolutions in other countries that have kept our elites in check. Communism sucked for the people who had to live under it. But it was great for us as Americans. The ruling class had something to fear and curbed some of their excesses as a result. Shortly after the commies went under, they started consolodating all the wealth again. The best thing that could happen for us would be for some western european country to elect or otherwise install a communist.

#116 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#113

Only one party has supporters that torture mentally handicapped.

i2.cdn.cnn.com

#117 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:35 PM | Reply

- You're the one who wants to break things

Like breaking the stranglehold of corporate monies dictating our laws, wages, healthcare, and wars?

yeah, I'm guilty.

#118 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:35 PM | Reply

You can't base a government or a life on nihilism. All your claims to the high ground are castrated by your essential lack of belief in higher ground.

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:35 PM | Reply

Of course you're guilty. Now say it like you mean it.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:36 PM | Reply

"Only one party has supporters that torture mentally handicapped." - #117 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:35 PM

All those people are registered Republicans.

#121 | Posted by Hans at 2017-02-17 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

People actively supporting agents of chaos remind me of one particular cultural figure.

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:41 PM | Reply

People actively supporting agents of chaos remind me of one particular cultural figure.

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Prometheus?

#123 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not unless Prometheus wears a purple suit.

#124 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:44 PM | Reply

You can't base a government or a life on nihilism. All your claims to the high ground are castrated by your essential lack of belief in higher ground.
#119 | POSTED BY ZED

I'm a born again Christian, dummy. so now we know you have no psychic abilities.

#125 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:44 PM | Reply

#122 wrong agent of chaos...

We take America from the globalists! The elite! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you... the people. America is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming Washington, and freeing the oppressed! Step forward those who would serve. For and army will be raised. The establishment will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The SJWs will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great country... it will endure. America will be Made Great Again!

#126 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:47 PM | Reply

How does a Christian support Donald? More than passing strange.

#127 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:47 PM | Reply

Not unless Prometheus wears a purple suit.
#124 | POSTED BY ZED

Barney?

#128 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:48 PM | Reply

AESCAL, for one, increasingly sounds like a pagan.

#129 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:49 PM | Reply

How does a Christian support Donald? More than passing strange.
#127 | POSTED BY ZED

I have no idea...it makes no sense to me either.

#130 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-02-17 03:49 PM | Reply

Barney goes naked.

#131 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:49 PM | Reply

#129

You say that like a bad thing. Not very progressive or tolerant of you. Perhaps a few weeks in Tolerance Camp™ (where intolerance is not tolerated) would straighten things out eh?

#132 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:51 PM | Reply

"I have no idea"

Of course you don't. To have an idea might lead to self reflection.

#133 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:51 PM | Reply

Another 'fake news' story from the once trusted ap.
#4 | POSTED BY SNIPER

The story is fake chiefdumbass. Try and keep up for once.
#12 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

This is Corky and his ilk's plan: Manufacture fake news then claim that it thwarted a crisis.
#41 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Except its not. It's literally one of the plans that was floated.

In fact, the White House has now reversed course and admitted the document was real after denying it but they are no longer considering it as a viable plan. The usual idiots on here fell for the White House lies.

Here's the full AP story: apnews.com

Honestly, you three shouldn't be allowed to post until you can prove you did a little research first. Either that or just admit to how much you are being paid to publish nonsense.

#134 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-02-17 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#134

SO you want our ex-CTR / current ShareBlue/Crew shills to reveal how much they are being paid? They never did during the election, in violation of FEC rules. Why would they do so now?

#135 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 03:57 PM | Reply

I bet the Berkeley Blackshirts could inflict serious damage on the troops. They could roll up their Che Guevara posters, attach elastic bands, and bombard them with copies of their favorite books

#136 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-02-17 03:57 PM | Reply

People actively supporting agents of chaos remind me of one particular cultural figure.
#122 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:
Prometheus?

#123 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-02-17 03:42 PM | FLAG:

Okay, I did have to give you a funny for that one.

#137 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 04:00 PM | Reply

Nulli, have you ever been hit in the head with a copy of Bleak House?

#138 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-17 04:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#136

They would lure conservatives to downtown Oroville with free copies of the Constitution and Chick-Fil-A and then huddle around the dam and replay Election night clips in order to triggers enough tears to burst the dam and drown us out.

Diabolically effective...

#139 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 04:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Bleak House?

Love that book, especially the first chapter describing the Chancery Court. Beautiful prose.

#140 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-02-17 04:13 PM | Reply

Not unless Prometheus wears a purple suit.

#124 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 03:44 PM | Reply

Oh. I get it now. But I thought you were a fan.

www.whowhatwear.com

#141 | Posted by Sully at 2017-02-17 04:19 PM | Reply

"Ireland didn't defeat the British Empire. They just made themselves a bigger bother than they're worth."

Context matters. Ireland was an occupied state within the British Empire. It is not the same as a government oppressing its own people: in the latter case there is less ability and inclination to simply pack up and leave. Secondly, the Irish had foreign support. Thirdly, the British were pulling their punches, refuses to commit militarily for fear of legitimizing the rebels and alienating world public opinion. Fourthly, the gap between the military tech of the British and of the rebels is not so large as the gap would be in the case of a US insurgency.

#142 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-02-17 05:04 PM | Reply

Fifth, the Brits were busy fighting WWI.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-02-17 05:20 PM | Reply

Well, isn't this special. Trump has us debating the finer points of an armed insurrection in the US. MAGA-back to 1776 I suppose.

#144 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-02-17 06:50 PM | Reply

But only one party has supporters willing to burn down stores / lob molotovs at police / assault citizens because of different beliefs / set campuses on fire....

#78 | Posted by aescal

And one party has supporters that walk into churches and gun down little old ladies, soooo --.

#145 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-02-17 06:51 PM | Reply

This story was a plant to find out who the leaker was at the White house. MSM fell for this. MSM was trolled by Trump. LMAO.

#146 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-02-17 07:20 PM | Reply

Leaked document? LOL.

#147 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-02-17 07:21 PM | Reply

So you're saying the plant worked?

#148 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-02-17 07:23 PM | Reply

So you're saying the plant worked?

#148 | Posted by rstybeach11

Looks like the leaker was caught. News at 11.

#149 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-02-17 07:25 PM | Reply

How about a link now?

#150 | Posted by jpw at 2017-02-17 07:31 PM | Reply

Presidents don't troll. Sigh.

#151 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-02-17 07:32 PM | Reply

Presidents definitely troll.

#152 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-02-17 07:34 PM | Reply

Via Mike Cernovich:

"
Multiple sources within the WH have told me that the "memo" on the 100K National Guard soldiers was fake news designed to smoke out leaker.

-- Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) February 17, 2017

"
Same group who leaked the National Guard "memo" also created the fake news story about Flynn. @realDonaldTrump is FURIOUS. #BringBackFlynn
t.co

-- Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) February 17, 2017

"
Give 10 different people 10 different copies of the "same" memo. Include 1 different words or typos in each. Oldest trick in the book.

-- Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) February 17, 2017

#153 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2017-02-17 07:36 PM | Reply

lol @ bringbackflynn

#154 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-02-17 07:38 PM | Reply

newhampshirereview.com

A little digging reveals MTOY's assertion of a plant is centered on the possibility of adding a tracking code to the memo in question that monitors its distribution patterns. The problem here is that said tracking ability, from what my non-expertise can gather, is limited to Microsoft Word documents. Hence, the probability that a memo like this one would be distributed in Word form is unlikely, IMO. If it was as part of the plant's plan, then well done by Team Trump and pathetically sad that LODS holdover got caught that way. Should have been big red flag if memo was distributed in Word form...again, In My Humble Opinion.

#155 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-02-17 07:41 PM | Reply

Give 10 different people 10 different copies of the "same" memo. Include 1 different words or typos in each. Oldest trick in the book.
-- Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) February 17, 2017

#153 | POSTED BY MYSTERYTOY

Now that makes far more sense than the idea put forth in the link provided in #155.

#156 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-02-17 07:42 PM | Reply

Memo #1

Trump gonna mobilize NG in 11 states specifically A,B,C,D

Memo #2

Trump gonna mobilize NG in 11 states specifically A,B,C,X

Memo #3

Trump gonna mobilize NG in 11 states specifically A,B,C,U

Or you circulate the memo with 100k troops 90k troops 80k troops etc.

you get the picture. Smoke the rats out...

#157 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 08:18 PM | Reply

The "oldest trick in the book" didn't need your redundancy, AESCAL.

#158 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-02-17 08:20 PM | Reply

i.4cdn.org

Its not hard to bait the MSM. Just look at what one person can do with 2 phones and a couple of text messages...

#159 | Posted by aescal at 2017-02-17 08:21 PM | Reply

www.thedailybeast.com

"The Department of Homeland Security is roundly condemning an Associated Press story that broke Friday morning about considering the use of the National Guard to "round up" undocumented immigrants. The DHS says that isn't true, and -- contra the AP's reporting -- that DHS Secretary John Kelly didn't write the draft memo.

"The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard," said Gillian Christensen, the acting press secretary for DHS.

A DHS official told The Daily Beast that the memo the AP cited was an early, pre-decisional draft, that Kelly never approved it, and that the department as a whole never seriously considered it."

-----

Yet another fake news story. By Associated Press this time. But rubber-stamped and wept over by DR's liberals. Godalmighty, you guys need a better life.

#160 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-02-17 08:53 PM | Reply

#160 | POSTED BY WHITEDEVIL

Well which was it? A plant or fake news?

Keep in mind the actual definition of fake news, please.

#161 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-02-17 08:58 PM | Reply

an early, pre-decisional draft

#160 | POSTED BY WHITEDEVIL AT

YES! That has to be it!!!!

Those words drafted themselves. All 11 pages of them.

#162 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 09:14 PM | Reply

I don't care. You guys fell for it either way. Now you're wondering if it was fake or a plant? Strange priorities.

Every time you do this you do Trump's job for him. Every fake story you fall for and blast out to your social media pages means that we ignore you next time, when you might actually be right.

#163 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-02-17 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Every fake story you fall for and blast out to your social media pages means that we ignore you next time, when you might actually be right."

Oh, if only people applied that same standard to Trump & Co. Oh, wait, some people already are.

#164 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-02-17 09:19 PM | Reply

Right #163.

Everyone is out to get Donald Trump.

It's so bad the english language itself is against him. Words are putting themselves on paper and making their way to reporters.

#165 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 09:25 PM | Reply

Oh, if only people applied that same standard to Trump & Co. Oh, wait, some people already are.

#164 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

And so you're smarter than those people, how, exactly?

#166 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-02-17 09:30 PM | Reply

Its not hard to bait the MSM. Just look at what one person can do with 2 phones and a couple of text messages...

#159 | Posted by aescal

You're a 4chan douche?

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2017-02-17 09:43 PM | Reply

I don't care. You guys fell for it either way. Now you're wondering if it was fake or a plant?

No. There's just a considerable difference.

Christ you're a ------- idiot.

And so you're smarter than those people, how, exactly?

He doesn't support Trump.

That was easy.

#168 | Posted by jpw at 2017-02-17 09:46 PM | Reply

"You do Trump's job for him"

Destroy the free press? Nah, man. The truth is going to bring Donald down.

He won't finish out this term.

#169 | Posted by Zed at 2017-02-17 09:48 PM | Reply

He won't finish out his term? You mean he won the nomination? You mean he got elected?

Your crystal ball hasn't exactly been working for you lately. We'll see though. Broken clock and all that.

#170 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-02-17 10:26 PM | Reply

Your crystal ball hasn't exactly been working for you lately. We'll see though. Broken clock and all that.

Yes.

America will continue to sink lower than ever before.

And you'll cheer because you can make a buck.

#171 | Posted by jpw at 2017-02-17 11:16 PM | Reply

MiseryGoy using Mike Cernovich as source material does perform on public service on the Retort. It outs you as a NeoNazi. Not that any of us are all that surprised by this revelation.

#172 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-02-18 09:12 AM | Reply

It's so bad the english language itself is against him. Words are putting themselves on paper and making their way to reporters. - #165 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-17 09:25 PM

You think that's bad, the English language and the internet itself were against his opponent in the Presidential election. Websites full of information putting themselves up for everyone to see...Sad.

#173 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-02-18 09:23 AM | Reply

#173 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT

What??

Get your **** together and post coherently.

Your lord and savior little d needs you to make a little sense now and then.

I feel like I'm beating up the fat kid at this point.

#174 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-02-18 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I acknowledge your self-flagellation.

#175 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-02-18 11:27 AM | Reply

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