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Wednesday, January 11, 2017

After eight years of bashing Obamacare, congressional Republicans still haven't come up with a plan to replace it. They are, however, essentially unified in wanting to stop the Congressional Budget Office from estimating how much a repeal might cost. While the media and most Democrats were focusing on the House of Representatives voting to weaken the Office of Congressional Ethics (a measure that was subsequently retracted), the larger document that the initiative was part of also prohibited the office from analyzing proposals to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Almost no one seems to have noticed this.

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Responding to the provision on the floor of the House on Jan. 3, Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., condemned it and the Republicans:

"They're admitting in their own rules that their proposal to repeal the Affordable Care Act will be devastating to the federal deficit and the national debt," he said.

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Two representatives for House Speaker Paul Ryan did not respond when contacted by Salon asking about the Congressional Budget Office restriction.

Buried on page 25 of the "Rules of the House of Representatives" is language instructing the budget office, a nonpartisan accounting research agency controlled by both houses, to automatically perform estimates on any piece of legislation that might increase federal spending by more than $5 billion over the next 40 years.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-11 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DRAIN THE SWAMP!.....DRAIN.....errrrr....ahhhh..... PEE IN THE POOL

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-01-11 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"__________________________________________________________________________"

- All the Republicons that were crying the last 8 years about transparency.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-01-11 01:28 PM | Reply

And before Laura shows up and tells me she feels sorry for me for thinking Trump will appeal Obamacare (from today's press conference):

TRUMP: We're going to be submitting, as soon as our secretary is approved, almost simultaneously -- shortly thereafter -- a plan. It will be repeal and replace. It will be, essentially simultaneously.

It will be various segments, you understand but will most likely be on the same day or the same week -- but probably the same day -- could be a same hour. So we're going to do repeal and replace -- very complicated stuff. And we're going to get a health bill passed -- we're going to get healthcare taken care of for this country. You have deductibles that are so high that after people go broke paying their premiums, which are going through the roof, the health care can't even be used by them because the deductibles are so high.

Obamacare is the Democrats' problem. We are going to take the problem off the shelves for them.

We're doing them a tremendous service by doing it. We could sit back and let them hang with it.

We are doing the Democrats a great service. So as soon as our secretary is approved, and gets into the office, we will be filing a plan and it was actually -- pretty accurately reported today -- The New York Times -- and the plan will be repeal and replace Obamacare.

We're going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better. Okay.

www.npr.org

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-11 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good eye, Gal.

Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-01-11 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-01-11 02:00

They are pretty scummy. I guess that must feel good, they never change.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-01-11 02:01 PM | Reply

"It will be, essentially simultaneously."

He could simply not sign "repeal" until "replace" is also on his desk.

Anyone wanna give odds on that?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 02:36 PM | Reply

So now they are criminalizing book keeping? They want to hide the costs from the tax payers. Dont even allow the government calculate it? This is what passes for fiscal responsibility?

C'mon 'conservatives'. Tell me you are not gonna allow these thieves to prevent costing out proposed legislation.

How will you know how to plan a budget?

This is looking a lot more like a legislative Coup de etat every day.

#8 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-01-11 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Brilliant. If math says your plan sucks, just ban math.

Just like they banned the CDC from telling us how many people are killed by guns.

There is only one party that is so afraid of reality they have to ban it.

The only way conservatives can convince us their plans work is to draw us all into the same fact-free fantasyland they they've been living in for years.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Brilliant. If math says your plan sucks, just ban math.
Just like they banned the CDC from telling us how many people are killed by guns."

Or just like they are planning to do away with NASA's climate research so that Trump can continue to claim climate change is a hoax created by China:

Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on ‘politicized science'

www.theguardian.com

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-11 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Brilliant. If math says your plan sucks, just ban math.

The GOP has been fact free since 1995.

#11 | Posted by 726 at 2017-01-12 09:25 AM | Reply

This crap needs to be repealed. the only thing we need to replace it is to allow insurance cos to sell accross state lines. We dont need a replacement plan.

Repeal the electronic records being sent to the GOV. Destroy all the data collected on us and notify us if anyone accessed our medical data records.

Repeal ALL requirements that we are required to have insurance on both business and people.

Repeal all Obamacare taxes and fines.

Repeal all content requirements on insurance companies on what must be in a plan.

Preexisting conditions must be repealed or it will bankrupt insurance companies. Perhaps giving a grace period of 1 year for everyone with a preexisting condition to get insurance and after that preexisting conditions are repealed.

Requirements on doctors and doctor owned hospitals must be repealed.

Subsidies and the exchange need to be repealed. If your poor then you qualify for medicare. If your not that low income then you need to pay for it yourself.

#12 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-01-12 10:26 AM | Reply

Many who post here voted for these guys. You are responsible for this outrage. No one that voted for Republicans should ever try to defend their vote again, they should be laughed at for even pretending to be a patriotic, intelligent voter. Of course, though, we already knew that from their votes for George W. Bush. Morons never learn because they are incapable of learning.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2017-01-12 10:28 AM | Reply

Preexisting conditions must be repealed or it will bankrupt insurance companies. Perhaps giving a grace period of 1 year for everyone with a preexisting condition to get insurance and after that preexisting conditions are repealed.

Pre-Obamacare, insurance companies dropped people with PECs , so giving them one year or ten to get insurance is useless. The point is, people with PECs can not get insurance, and people who become ill often lose their insurance. Some companies went so far as to say that getting pregnant or having acne qualified as a PEC. The catch 22 is this: you can have insurance as long as you don't really need/use it.

If your poor then you qualify for medicare. If your not that low income then you need to pay for it yourself.

Medicare is for senior citizens and the disabled.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-12 10:43 AM | Reply

Expect to see more articles like this one:

‘This is a death sentence for me': Patients react in horror to GOP's late-night Obamacare repeal

Republicans in the Senate took a major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday night, while simultaneously voting down proposed amendments to make sure people with preexisting conditions could still get coverage.

On Thursday morning, many people who can only get health care thanks to the ACA took to Twitter to express their horror that the GOP is going full speed ahead with gutting the healthcare legislation without having anything close to an alternative that would keep them covered.

"As a breast cancer survivor, this is a death sentence for me," one woman tweeted at Rep. Keith Ellison (D -MN) on Thursday.

And she wasn't alone, as many people who benefit from the ACA used the hashtag #SaveTheACA to tell the world about how they will literally die if they can't get access to health care once the ACA is gone.

Check out some of the top reactions:

www.rawstory.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-12 10:55 AM | Reply

#15 I'm probably not allowed to say this, but too bad: Heartless ba$tards.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-12 10:59 AM | Reply

"Medicare is for senior citizens and the disabled."

When they passed Medicare they intended to lower the age for qualifying over a period of years until everyone was covered. That's exactly what we need to do today. Health care should be a right. No one should go without in the richest nation in the world while all other rich nations provide all of their people with healthcare.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2017-01-12 11:11 AM | Reply

BTW, Donald Trump campaigned on his claim that he would not cut SS, Medicare of Medicaid. Bernie Sanders called him out on that promise so he should either put up or shut up. We need his commitment to veto the repeal of Obamacare without a real replacement already in place. I hope the Republicans discover Karma is real.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2017-01-12 11:14 AM | Reply

How can it be scored unless it's compared against what replaces it?

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-01-12 11:18 AM | Reply

This crap needs to be repealed. the only thing we need to replace it is to allow insurance cos to sell accross state lines. We dont need a replacement plan.

#12 | Posted by tmaster

In other words, you're fine with insurance companies dropping customers who get sick.

Til it happens to you.

Idiot.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-12 11:31 AM | Reply

Get rid of PEC coverage and in 2 years I'll go from costing the government 5k a year in insurance subsidies to costing the government a minimum of 85k a year in disability payments and health care. Of course if cuts to Medicaid/care and SS disability go through as well I'll just starve on the streets so that will save a ---- load of government money.

A 60k a year drug allows me to keep working how fast do you think an insurance company will drop me if they are allowed to? Without that drug my MS resumes it's relentless progression.

No it's not fair to other taxpayers that no matter what happens I'll be a cost item but I can't say it's real fair that I got MS in my 20's either. No poor life choices caused it nothing I could have done with my life would have prevented it and at 29 no matter how aggressively I saved I wouldn't have had enough to support myself or family for the next 40+ years.

#21 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-01-12 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No it's not fair to other taxpayers that no matter what happens I'll be a cost item but I can't say it's real fair that I got MS in my 20's either. No poor life choices caused it nothing I could have done with my life would have prevented it and at 29 no matter how aggressively I saved I wouldn't have had enough to support myself or family for the next 40+ years.

#21 | Posted by TaoWarrior

The reason all these "fiscal conservatives" are so eager to undo obamacare is because they haven't had your bad luck. They only care about themselves. As soon as they need help, their conservative principles go out the window.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-12 12:57 PM | Reply

yeah and ?

sounds like --- for tat...the democrats KNOWING DATA WAS FALSE...gave false info to the CBO in order to pass obamacare..

wrong you say ?...right...the cost approved by the cbo was 888 Billion...,.and that's all anyone needs to say or know.

#23 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-01-12 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What the Republicans really want to do is to do away with facts like these:

Obamacare Repeal Gives 400 Super-Rich Households Tax Cut

Repealing Obamacare would give 400 of the richest families in America a tax cut worth an average of $7 million each, even as it yanks health insurance away from low- and middle-income Americans.

That may sound like a harsh way of characterizing repeal. But it's an accurate one, according to a new report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

www.drudge.com

And that's what everybody needs to know and talk about.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-01-12 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

.the democrats KNOWING DATA WAS FALSE...gave false info to the CBO in order to pass obamacare..

wrong you say ?...right...the cost approved by the cbo was 888 Billion...,.and that's all anyone needs to say or know.

#23 | Posted by afkabl2

LINK?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-12 01:14 PM | Reply

LINK?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

His butt?

World Nut Daily?

Bladdermir Putin?

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-01-12 01:59 PM | Reply

Um....

"According to Hill and agency officials speaking on background, the provision does not mean that CBO is blocked from analyzing Obamacare measures but rather that it is not required to analyze every one that might be presented by various members."

Come on guys, at least don't let your Liberalness ooze like this. Change the title of the link to the article or Germany may label you fake news :-)

The real issue here is why can't we wait 2 more years? When Obama enacted Obamacare, his promise was that in the first few years after inception, health insurance will rise. But, once everyone is in the system and the money has had time to proliferate, costs of insurance would decrease significantly. I think I remember him saying this would happen by 2017-2018. So, Reps would be much better off taking lots of time to come up with a good plan that doesn't get rid of the good that Obamacare does but fixes the bad, and allow Obamacare to become an utter failure on its own that nobody can deny. Unless you actually think Obamacare is going to significantly decrease insurance costs for the majority, which there is no proof anywhere that it will happen and actually the expert consensus is that insurance premiums are going to rise. Obama promised his ACA would be just that, make insurance affordable. It hasn't. But he gave himself an out, he said it would work by 2017-2018, exactly when he knew he couldn't be in office any longer. I'd love to see it happen but there just isn't any proof it will.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2017-01-13 12:03 PM | Reply

LINK?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

His butt?

World Nut Daily?

Bladdermir Putin?

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 20

don't be absurd...if you don't know this, you aren't aware enough of how it was foisted upon us to comment.

#28 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-01-13 05:18 PM | Reply

sorry folks...you'll have to just wait...."have to pass it before you know what's in it"

mic drop....

#29 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-01-13 05:20 PM | Reply

don't be absurd...if you don't know this, you aren't aware enough of how it was foisted upon us to comment.

Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-01-13 05:18 PM | Reply

You didn't used to say foisted until Laura did. Me think I'm rubbing off on you giggles.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-01-13 05:20 PM | Reply

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