Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, January 11, 2017

For the first time since becoming president-elect, Donald Trump is holding a press conference and taking questions from reporters. This comes less than a day after explosive allegations were reported in the Washington Post and BuzzFeed about Russian intelligence agents believing they have blackmail material on Trump over lurid sex acts committed in a Russian hotel, a claim described in a former British intelligence officer's report and included in a U.S. intelligence briefing to the president and president-elect.

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The president elect of the united states of america was is on tv denying that he paid whores to piss on him and/or paid to piss on whores.

I thought his presidency was going to be a national embarrassment. Man was I wrong...

#1 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-01-11 12:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Hard to disagree with his brilliant greatest tremendous team which everybody agrees is much better than the disaster China Obama Mexico Hillary good deals smart successful huge wall very proud complete and total disaster catastrophic believe me not gonna happen fake news!

#2 | Posted by cbob at 2017-01-11 12:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

There will be a Wall :).

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:04 PM | Reply

I don't care what Trump does during his time as long as he puts conservatives on the court..

Go get em Trump...

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2017-01-11 12:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Muh goodness, I am so excited for these next four years with Donald J. Trump as President of the United States!

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Russia will have much greater respect for our country when I'm leading it than when other's have lead it"

- President-Elect Donald Trump

YEA!!!

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2017-01-11 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of you find the irony in Trump decrying rumor and innuendo when his whole campaign was based on it? All Buzzfeed had to say was "People are saying" or "I don't know if it's true, but...".

#9 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-01-11 12:16 PM | Reply

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Tick, tock, tick tock

Is Ken Starr busy?

#10 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-01-11 12:17 PM | Reply

Because if there is one thing the russians respect it's a guy who is into watersports.

#12 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-01-11 12:17 PM | Reply

"Russia will have much greater respect for our country when I'm leading it than when other's have lead it"

- President-Elect Donald Trump

YEA!!!

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2017-01-11 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

So much for the Republican worship of Reagan.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-01-11 12:18 PM | Reply

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Is Ken Starr busy?

#10 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-01-11 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah didn't Baylor fire him amidst sexual misconduct at the school???

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-01-11 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, Truth hurts don't it? Anyone who touts party over country is a disgrace.

#18 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-01-11 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#15 it won't because the truth is still acceptable on the DR.

Meanwhile nothing Trump does matters after "Retardgate" and "Gropegate."

You supporters don't have a soul to care. As long as Liberals hate it, it is good for you.

#19 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-01-11 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, Truth hurts don't it? #18 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIS

A trolling opinion held by yourself does not constitute a "fact" nor meets the burden to become a "truth."

#20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump is full of crap about veterans being treated unfairly by the VA ...

Trump is using the word "disgrace" in his presser ... look in the mirror Mr. President-elect.

#21 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-01-11 12:27 PM | Reply

twitter.com

Trump literally calls CNN a fake news outlet and shuts them down...

EPIC!

#22 | Posted by aescal at 2017-01-11 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump literally calls CNN a fake news outlet and shuts them down..." - #22 | Posted by aescal at 2017-01-11 12:32 PM

I just tuned to CNN and they're still on the air.

EPIC FAIL.

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

What Trump does in his private life will have no effect on how he will conduct his public service as President.

MOVEON.ORG

#24 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-01-11 12:35 PM | Reply

Epic.

www.ushmm.org

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 12:35 PM | Reply

"A trolling opinion held by yourself..." - #20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:27 PM

There you go again, trying to make someone else the topic of the thread.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 12:37 PM | Reply

"What Trump does in his private life will have no effect on how he will conduct his public service as President." - #24 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-01-11 12:35 PM

Until, of course, the golden pictures land on his desk.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 12:38 PM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY HANS

Ah, but how else can one notify a fellow ReTort community member that they have broadly overstepped their artistic license of opinion, and has attempted to portray their opinion as "fact?"

#28 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:41 PM | Reply

"...but how else can one notify a fellow ReTort community member that they have broadly overstepped their artistic license of opinion, and has attempted to portray their opinion as "fact?"" - #28 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 12:41 PM

concern troll

A person who posts on a blog thread, in the guise of "concern," to disrupt dialogue or undermine morale by pointing out that posters and/or the site may be getting themselves in trouble, usually with an authority or power. They point out problems that don't really exist. The intent is to derail, stifle, control, the dialogue. It is viewed as insincere and condescending.

#29 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28 There is one easy way to tell Noles: "Do you support Trump?"

It's pretty obvious to the rest of us.

#30 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-01-11 12:47 PM | Reply

What Trump really meant:

"Russia will have much greater influence over our country when I'm leading it than when other's have lead it"

#31 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-01-11 12:47 PM | Reply

Don't worry comrade Boaz. Putin will be your daddy, and you will enjoy it.

#32 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-01-11 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

NPR Fact Checks Trump Press Conference in Real Time

For the first time in 167 days, President-elect held a wide-ranging news conference.

NPR's politics team, with help from reporters and editors across the newsroom, live-annotated the speech. Portions of the transcript with added analysis are underlined in yellow, followed by context and fact checks below.

Waiting for transcript...

I guess that didn't work out very well.

#33 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-01-11 12:53 PM | Reply

Boaz represents a 2 dimensional manifestation of the culture and politicized nature of the echo chamber that exists inside the 60 year old military industrial complex-- he represents a fundamental intellactual weakness that, as institutionalized, undermines all of ithe military strengths we may have in bodies, technology and firepower.

#34 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2017-01-11 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"What Trump does in his private life will have no effect on how he will conduct his public service as President." - #24 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-01-11 12:35 PM

Did you ask Noot about that, or was he too busy reliving Bubba's Monica days?

#35 | Posted by 726 at 2017-01-11 01:02 PM | Reply

#33 - it's there. I've been reading it.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 01:23 PM | Reply

trumpites think fake news is any news that puts their guy in a bad light, even if its true.

They don't understand that as long as the facts are facts, news is news. It is only when the facts are NOT facts that it is fake news

Example. Saying Blacks are responsible for 80% of crime is fake news.

Saying the intelligence community says Russia was working to help Donald Trump is actual news.

The story "FBI AGENT SUSPECTED IN HILLARY EMAIL LEAKS FOUND DEAD IN APPARENT MURDER-SUICIDE." was fake news.

Reporting that Trump walked inon underage girls in the dressing room of his pageants and bragged about it is real news.

Do you get it yet?

#37 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-01-11 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

He says he would never pay a prostitute to piss in his face because, as a guy who owns hotels, he knows hotel rooms are bugged:

www.nytimes.com

FTA:

I am extremely careful. I'm surrounded by bodyguards. I'm surrounded by people.
And I always tell them -- anywhere, but I always tell them if I'm leaving this country, "Be very careful, because in your hotel rooms and no matter where you go, you're gonna probably have cameras." I'm not referring just to Russia, but I would certainly put them in that category.

And number one, "I hope you're gonna be good anyway. But in those rooms, you have cameras in the strangest places. Cameras that are so small with modern technology, you can't see them and you won't know. You better be careful, or you'll be watching yourself on nightly television."

-- Donald Trump

#38 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-01-11 01:51 PM | Reply

I don't care what Trump does during his time as long as he puts conservatives on the court..

Go get em Trump...

#4 | Posted by boaz

Yeah because to idiots like you, abortion is worse than nuclear apocalypse.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz represents a 2 dimensional manifestation of the culture and politicized nature of the echo chamber that exists inside the 60 year old military industrial complex-- he represents a fundamental intellactual weakness that, as institutionalized, undermines all of ithe military strengths we may have in bodies, technology and firepower.

#34 | Posted by NerfHerder

That's because the first thing the military does when you enlist is to break your brain.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is that what happened to yours? I mean....how do you know?

#41 | Posted by eberly

No I'm not stupid or desperate enough to enlist in the first place.

thewisesloth.com

"How and why military basic training brainwashes recruits"

Written by a vet.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 02:36 PM | Reply

Well, after they break you down they're supposed to build you back up.

With Boaz the rebuilding process started at the feet and more or less got hung up there...

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 02:39 PM | Reply

"Written by a vet."

yep. 1 guy.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-11 02:42 PM | Reply

yep. 1 guy.

#44 | Posted by eberly

Read the comments below with all the vets agreeing. You don't even have to. Look at all the authoritarian morons the military produces. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 02:48 PM | Reply

45

or you could leave your computer screen and actually visit with a member of the armed forces in person.

I saw the comments. I know morons that served in the military.

everyone I knew growing up that joined the military and later I viewed as a moron?.........here is a little hint.....they were all morons before they joined the military.

I believe the truth is somewhere in between what you posted and what you might experience if you left your computer screen.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-11 02:54 PM | Reply

I thought Trump behaved with remarkable restraint.
For a goon you expect to grab reporters' genitalia while tossing burning matches at a pile of well-oiled rags.

#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-01-11 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I believe the truth is somewhere in between what you posted and what you might experience if you left your computer screen.

#46 | Posted by eberly

So you believe the truth is the military only SOMETIMES or PARTIALLY breaks your brain. Well then they're a stand up organization. Sign your kids right up!

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 03:10 PM | Reply

"So you believe the truth is the military only SOMETIMES or PARTIALLY breaks your brain."

not exactly. First of all...it's not about my brain.

I believe the military has a strong program of indoctrination and I believe it has more impact on some than others.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-11 03:51 PM | Reply

...the military only SOMETIMES or PARTIALLY breaks your brain. #48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Speaks... your comment reeks of ignorance.
A counterpoint to the opinion of that one vet you linked to, here's a youtube video of some vets rebutting your comment (
www.youtube.com).

#50 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-11 04:05 PM | Reply

"here is a little hint.....they were all morons before they joined the military."

"Have you ever heard of Eisenhower, Kennedy, McCain? Morons!"

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 04:24 PM | Reply

I don't care what Trump does during his time as long as he puts conservatives on the court..
Go get em Trump...

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2017-01-11 12:06 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

holy crap!

#52 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-01-11 04:30 PM | Reply

"Read the comments below with all the vets agreeing. You don't even have to. Look at all the authoritarian morons the military produces."

Bernie Sanders was easily the most authoritarian politician I've seen in a while. And you supported him, right?

If not military service, what caused your brain to break?

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 04:33 PM | Reply

What I found to be immensely interesting is how many military personnel broke for Gary Johnson. In some cases, (USAF, officers) doing better than both Trump or Hillary. So I think you're going to have to provide some back story when you claim that military personnel lean authoritarian, when they voted for the least authoritarian candidate in the running at a far higher rate than the rest of society.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 04:35 PM | Reply

Worth remembering per Trumpfelstiltskin's press conference:

Trump thrives in a world where facts are fungible. As the journalist Masha Gessen, who's covered Putin's Russia for years, tweeted: "We are now fully immersed in the anonymous, the unverified, and the unverifiable. And he hasn't even taken office. Trumpism sure is fast."
nymag.com

#55 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-01-11 04:45 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders was easily the most authoritarian politician I've seen in a while. And you supported him, right?

If not military service, what caused your brain to break?

#53 | Posted by madbomber

You're dumb enough to think socialized healthcare is an authoritarianism? Talk about broken brains...

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Have you ever heard of Eisenhower, Kennedy, McCain? Morons!"

Yes. And I didn't call them morons. I called morons morons.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-11 04:55 PM | Reply

"You're dumb enough to think socialized healthcare is an authoritarianism? Talk about broken brains..."

It's not really socialized healthcare when you're obligated to do something in order to receive it. Like the difference between a military member receiving a salary for serving and a welfare recipient getting an income for drawing breath.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 05:08 PM | Reply

But to your point, yes, when you force people to behave in a manner they otherwise wouldn't in order to achieve a stated political goal, that's authoritarian. You make the distinction between authoritarianism you approve of and that which you don't. I'm not really a fan of either flavors being leveraged on unwilling individuals.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 05:11 PM | Reply

"when you force people to behave in a manner they otherwise wouldn't in order to achieve a stated political goal, that's authoritarian"

Like making kids or NFL players stand and recite the pledge, that kind of thing?

Like requiring government workers to swear the oath of office too, right?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

like when you force people to contribute to society to get health care?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But to your point, yes, when you force people to behave in a manner they otherwise wouldn't in order to achieve a stated political goal, that's authoritarian. You make the distinction between authoritarianism you approve of and that which you don't. I'm not really a fan of either flavors being leveraged on unwilling individuals.

#59 | Posted by madbomber

Oh so then I shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund the trillion dollar military machine.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Like making kids or NFL players stand and recite the pledge, that kind of thing?"

Yes. If that were real, it would be a good example.

"like when you force people to contribute to society to get health care?"

Forcing anyone to do anything that is not in their best interest and doesn't harm others is inherently authoritarian. The degree to which it is authoritarian is the delta between how they are being forced to act and how they would act free of that external threat.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 05:33 PM | Reply

"Oh so then I shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund the trillion dollar military machine."

I don't think so. Not if it's something you have a moral disagreement with.

Imagine how things would change if taxpayers had a direct impact on what was funded and what wasn't.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 05:35 PM | Reply

how about the oath of office?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 05:36 PM | Reply

Imagine how things would change if taxpayers had a direct impact on what was funded and what wasn't.

#64 | Posted by madbomber

Society would fall apart if people could simply pick which aspects of it they wanted to support.

Then you'd see what individualism and conservatism really means- Lord of the flies.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 05:40 PM | Reply

Imagine MadBomber having to find a private sector job.

The horror. The horror!

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 05:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#64 - that's all find, but you just called the current government (and all governments that have existed so far) "authoritarian."

What you're really saying is you find any and all government authoritarian. All governments require taxes to run. All governments limit individuals rights - either by restricting what you do or what you can't do - such as serving the public.

That's ridiculous, of course.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

67

easy there, college boy.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-11 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

(I'm now bowing out and will read while you and Snoofy continue. I was just a bit flabbergasted by what I read)

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 05:44 PM | Reply

I have a question about Trump's press conference. Did he make any claims which could be objectively falsified?

For example did he say something like "I did not have golden relations with that woman?"

Or did he just call the allegations ridiculous, etc. without actively denying them?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The friggin' piece of work and wonder can and does lye about his own lyes while lying. Now that is remarkable.
I wonder what a psychiatrist might diagnose this?

#72 | Posted by b_al at 2017-01-11 07:24 PM | Reply

"What you're really saying is you find any and all government authoritarian. All governments require taxes to run. All governments limit individuals rights - either by restricting what you do or what you can't do - such as serving the public."

Sort of. It's authoritarian to MAKE you pay for police services if you don't want to. But most people want police services. And fire services.

Not everyone wants to pay higher taxes so someone who's not earning a lot of money can get more free stuff.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's authoritarian to MAKE you pay for police services if you don't want to." - #73 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 08:34 PM

No it isn't.

And it is absurd to think so.

#74 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 08:38 PM | Reply

MadBomber X supports freedom for the oppressed.
"By Any Means Necessary!"

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 08:40 PM | Reply

National Propaganda Radio.
Defund the Fed.

#76 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:41 PM | Reply

#74 | Posted by Hans
I guess that's why they are not closing off blocks in Detroit!
Wrong.

#77 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:44 PM | Reply

"Society would fall apart if people could simply pick which aspects of it they wanted to support."

No, I think society would keep on going just as it always had it people weren't forced to support those who didn't support themselves. Or have their earnings confiscated in the name of income equality. Or some other useless cause that's been around for .005% of the time that humans have existed.

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 08:45 PM | Reply

Imagine MadBomber having to find a private sector job.

#67 | Posted by snoofy
It should be easy with the unemployment rate being so low!

#79 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:45 PM | Reply

The only reason NPR exist is because of Federal funding. Like welfare, food stamps and.............

If they were real reporters worth their salt they would survive on their own.

#80 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:49 PM | Reply

#78 | Posted by madbomber
Progressives need to go read Locke and Hobbes. Then they might learn why we form government's.
But they are uneducated.

#81 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

National Propaganda Radio.
Defund the Fed.

#76 | Posted by Federalist

Nothing like a fox news watcher calling NPR a propaganda station.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 08:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I guess that's why they are not closing off blocks in Detroit!" - #77 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:44 PM

non sequitur:

a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 08:53 PM | Reply

The only reason NPR exist is because of Federal funding. Like welfare, food stamps and.............

If they were real reporters worth their salt they would survive on their own.

#80 | Posted by Federalist

Yeah real reporters rely on selling corporate ads. That's how you find out the truth that corporations approve of.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Not everyone wants to pay higher taxes so someone who's not earning a lot of money can get more free stuff.

Your value system is noted.

I will be smiling a little bigger when I do my taxes this year, thinking of you having to pay.

#85 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 08:56 PM | Reply

if you don't want to." - #73 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-11 08:34 PM

No it isn't.

And it is absurd to think so.

#74 | Posted by Hans
I guess they are closing off the services to large blocks of Detroit because the "don't want to" pay for them.

#86 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:56 PM | Reply

"Then they might learn why we form government's. - #81 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:51 PM

The formation of governments predates both Locke and Hobbes.

"But they are uneducated."

"Governments" is plural, not the possessive "government's."

Someone educated would know that.

You're welcome.

#87 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 08:58 PM | Reply

"Society would fall apart if people could simply pick which aspects of it they wanted to support."

"No, I think society would keep on going just as it always had it people weren't forced to support those who didn't support themselves."

I don't think society has ever existed that way. But the notion of "force" seems misplaced.

Most caregivers aren't forced to care for their children. The oxytocin provides the impetus that you seem to be ascribing to force.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:00 PM | Reply

Nothing like a fox news watcher calling NPR a propaganda station.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Wrong again. I do not watch Fox News.
I don't watch TV except for Sports.
I do read 14 papers everyday. 2/3rds of them on line.
Well not the whole paper.
You really should read John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.

#89 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I guess ...." - #86 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:56 PM

You guess wrong.

#90 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 09:01 PM | Reply

The formation of governments predates both Locke and Hobbes.

#87 | Posted by Hans

Not our Government.

#91 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:02 PM | Reply

#87 | Posted by Hans
I am a terrible speller but I appreciate your liberal forgiveness of this fact.

#92 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:04 PM | Reply

You really should go study how our Constitution came to be.

#93 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:07 PM | Reply

I will be smiling a little bigger when I do my taxes this year, thinking of you having to pay.

#85 | Posted by YAV

You can always pay more Yav.
But you won't.

#94 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:09 PM | Reply

What's a "common wealth?"

Sounds commie. Am I right?

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:09 PM | Reply

Why would I?
I pay for things I don't support as well as things I do.
I accept this agreement.
You and Mad are the ones that are so bitter.
Right or wrong, that brings me a little bit of joy.

#96 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 09:12 PM | Reply

Keep reading Snoofy.
You will learn Grasshopper.

#97 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:12 PM | Reply

#96 is for #94 of course.

#98 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 09:13 PM | Reply

#96 | Posted by YAV
Should we all pay the same?

#99 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:14 PM | Reply

You really should read John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.

#89 | Posted by Federalist

They aren't going to tell you a thing about current events.

Where do you plan on getting your news?

YOu think reporters will work for free? Either we pay them as a country (NPR,BBC) or corporations pay them to tell us what corporations approve for us to hear.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 09:16 PM | Reply

Yav
I do not mind paying what is needed at all.
Believe me I pay my share.

#101 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:17 PM | Reply

"You really should go study how our Constitution came to be."

Including the Fourteenth Amendment?

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:18 PM | Reply

#99 - I suspect you're trying to make a point, but I am quite bored and uninterested.

#103 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 09:18 PM | Reply

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Do you think NPR or Fox are not biased?
Most of the crap they all spew everyday is blather.
But when you watch TV you are listening. Not reading. Even If you read the text of a newscast you just listened to you would have a different opinion.

#104 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:22 PM | Reply

#103 | Posted by YAV
Yea I hear you!

#105 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:23 PM | Reply

I do not mind paying what is needed at all.

Needed? As determined by?

Madbomber's already told us the source of his bitter fantasy. What's yours?

#106 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 09:23 PM | Reply

"Not our Government." - #91 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:02 PM

You said...

"Then they might learn why we form government's [sic]". - #81 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 08:51 PM
...not "our Government."

#107 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 09:24 PM | Reply

I guess they are closing off the services to large blocks of Detroit because the "don't want to" pay for them.

#86 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

It's a bit more complicated than that. Over the past few decades Detroit's population has shrunk (whilst US population has grown) from over 3 million residents to less than 1 million residents. Geographically, Detroit is a huge city. But, with some neighborhoods so sparsely populated providing services with any degree of efficiency is impossible, especially with such a shrunken tax-base. It's reached a point where areas of massive blight are being bulldozed through both private and public cooperation and the notion of converting some of said land to agricultural use is being considered. There are no easy answers for Detroit - and that is especially true of binary right/left solutions.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-01-11 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So I've been reading about this Hobbes guy over at Wikipedia. it says

"There is, however, Hobbes states, a summum malum, or greatest evil. This is the fear of violent death. A political community can be oriented around this fear."

Federalist would you please deliver ISIS the memo? They seem to have missed that part. Thanks.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:28 PM | Reply

"There are no easy answers for Detroit"

looks like two million people figured out leaving Detroit was a pretty easy answer.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:29 PM | Reply

"It's a bit more complicated than that." - #108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-01-11 09:25 PM

Life is like that, more greys than blacks and whites.

Good post, JeffJ.

Thanks.

#111 | Posted by Hans at 2017-01-11 09:30 PM | Reply

#107 | Posted by Hans
When do you think the wrote? 500 BC?

#112 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:33 PM | Reply

#109 | Posted by snoofy
So you want to pick and chose words or do you want to learn why our Government was founded and why the Constitution is written the way it is? I don't have time to teach you a history lesson. I am just trying to tell you that you should at least look at why our Nation was founded. Then maybe you could understand another persons opinion on the subject.

#113 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:39 PM | Reply

Life is like that, more greys than blacks and whites.

#111 | Posted by Hans
That is true but sometimes you have to chose one or the other.

#114 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 09:40 PM | Reply

"why our Government was founded and why the Constitution is written the way it is?"

Seems like you could just go to the Articles of Confederation. No need to go back to Hammurabi or whatever.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 09:52 PM | Reply

Do you think NPR or Fox are not biased?
Most of the crap they all spew everyday is blather.
But when you watch TV you are listening. Not reading. Even If you read the text of a newscast you just listened to you would have a different opinion.

#104 | Posted by Federalist

I didn't say that. But NPR is far less biased than fox for many reasons.

You didn't answer the question though - where do you get your information if you dismiss all sources as biased?

Your private pool of investigative reporters who work for free?

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-11 09:55 PM | Reply

My opinion of you is largely based on the fact that you go by "Federalist" but seem to espouse the opposite.

Like, not a big fan of the Fourteenth Amendment, and misses "States Rights."

I'd put you as an antebellum Federalist and the type of person who gets steamed when they call it the Great Rebellion, and prefers the term War of Northern Aggression.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 10:03 PM | Reply

Do you think NPR or Fox are not biased?

NPR is biased towards truth and fact.
Fox is propaganda.
It's been empirically proved.
NPR listeners

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 10:08 PM | Reply

Sounds like a pissing contest between Trump and the media.

#119 | Posted by cbob at 2017-01-11 10:10 PM | Reply

Reposting without html tag errors:

Do you think NPR or Fox are not biased?

NPR is biased towards truth and fact.
Fox is propaganda.
It's been empirically proved.
NPR listeners - most correct answers when tested.
Fox News - Highest number of wrong answers, exceeding those given by people that watch no news at all.

#120 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 10:10 PM | Reply

It's been empirically proved.

#118 | Posted by YAV a

LOL

#121 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 10:11 PM | Reply

#117 | Posted by snoofy
Wrong again.

#122 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 10:12 PM | Reply

#121 -

www.businessinsider.com
www.forbes.com

Empirical - based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

Proper polling and statistically analysis falls under the definition of "empirical"

#123 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-11 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Right you are sir! I'm a russian troll with most obviously american name I could think of!

#122 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

FTFY

#124 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-01-11 10:15 PM | Reply

Just my impression.
Are you gonna dazzle me with your spirited support of the Fourteenth Amendment?
You know that's why gays can marry, yeah? You support gays being able to marry?

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 10:17 PM | Reply

#125 | Posted by snoofy
1.
14th ammedment
Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Do you support the 14th?

2.I do not care what you do. As long as I do not have to pay for it. Or it does not personally effect me.

#126 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 11:05 PM | Reply

I'd say I support it more than Tea Party Republicans who play chicken with default.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 11:09 PM | Reply

"As long as I do not have to pay for it."

But you do have to pay for it, when a married person (gay or otherwise) gets survivor benefits, etc.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 11:11 PM | Reply

#123 | Posted by YAV
I have a person I know at work that thought if Trump won every Muslim would be deported! I asked him why he thought that and he said he heard it on NPR. Which he listens to everyday! His children thought they would loose friends even if they were U.S. citizens!

#129 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-01-11 11:17 PM | Reply

were you asking me if I supported the part of the Fourteenth Amendment where the government says that you don't get to own slaves anymore and plus you don't get any recompense for your human property?

yeah I'm fine with that. I suppose I would also have been fine with them paying out some amount of money to slave owners but I guess that since they had the war, that was off the table.

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-11 11:20 PM | Reply

#130 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Why are you talking about slavery?

You act as if it's a valid topic in 2016 - it is SO far removed from where we are now...

#131 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-01-12 01:57 AM | Reply

Why are you talking about slavery?

You obviously are not acquainted with it.

It's a troll. It goes off in all kind of irrelevant directions. It's best ignored.

#132 | Posted by et_al at 2017-01-12 04:04 AM | Reply

RCADE does it again. There is nothing in this article above about NPR fact checking anything. However, NPR is a shill for Demoncrats, and as part of the upcoming Federal budget reduction efforts in Congress, NPR should be defunded. The tax payers should not be asked to fund a left wing organization that is biased for Democrats. If NPR is such a fine resource for the nation, it should be able to stand on its own merits without funding from our taxes...same goes for PBS. Let them get advertising like every other news organization in the market does.

#133 | Posted by Verneoz at 2017-01-12 06:26 AM | Reply

#129 - I have no idea what your reported anecdote has to do with anything. Stop thrashing about. Please.

#134 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-12 07:29 AM | Reply

"NPR is a shill for Demoncrats"

Wrong!

#135 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-01-12 08:28 AM | Reply

NPR is not a shill for democrats.

It's truly a more moderate and fair platform for news.

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2017-01-12 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Yeah real reporters rely on selling corporate ads. That's how you find out the truth that corporations approve of."

Have you ever listened to NPR. You must have missed the part where they mention the grants that made the programming possible, and who they were provided by. 19% of funding is provided by corporations. 34% id provided by individuals. The ALWAYs mention the corporations. I've never heard any individuals mentioned by name.

"I will be smiling a little bigger when I do my taxes this year, thinking of you having to pay."

And I'll grumble under my breath knowing that no amount of free stuff the taxpayers provide will be enough for you.

"They aren't going to tell you a thing about current events."

Really? Because I have no doubts that the average Jacobin talked exactly like you do now. They only did so in French.

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-12 09:00 AM | Reply

"Federalist would you please deliver ISIS the memo? They seem to have missed that part. Thanks."

It was fear, imparted by leaders such as Saddam Hussein and Hafez, Al Assad, that kept the forces that formed ISIS in check. It took the US to remove those checks. And if you're ISIS, the US is really not scary. You have as many people wanting to protect the rights of ISIS and make sure they're not mistreated or offended as you do wanting to wipe them off the face of the planet.

"Proper polling and statistically analysis falls under the definition of "empirical"

I don't think you quite grasp the concept. Asking people if they think NPR is propaganda and providing the results as some sort of proof isn't an empirical outcome. You could objectively say that a majority or minority of people feel that NPR is or is not propaganda, but you couldn't objectively say that it truly was or was not.

"It's truly a more moderate and fair platform for news."

Those who are interested in the news can flip between the 10-12 news stations available on XM. My preference is the BBC. But even Fox Headline News is just news. You'll need to switch over to Fox News Channel if you want to tune into the Trump love fest.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-12 09:09 AM | Reply

And I'll grumble under my breath knowing that no amount of free stuff the taxpayers provide will be enough for you.

And no amount would be small enough to not cause you pain when it goes to those less fortunate than yourself.
You "Ayn Randians" always make me chuckle.

BTW, I'd offer to send my tax form with the amount I paid in taxes last year to RCade, you send yours, and then we'll let him tell everyone who paid more. You up for it?

I think it'd be fun!

#139 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-12 09:12 AM | Reply

"And no amount would be small enough to not cause you pain when it goes to those less fortunate than yourself."

If you want to provide a lavish standard of living to those who aren't doing it for themselves, I applaud you. It's your money. Do what you want with it. It sounds like you brought home more than the $113k (after tax) I did in in 2016, spend away. There are a lot of people who will happily let you work for them-particularly since you don't seem interested in having them provide anything in return.

#140 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-12 10:34 AM | Reply

I'll let you pay my cell phone bill if you it makes you feel good about yourself. I could probably afford a pretty nice vacay if you did.

#141 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-01-12 10:35 AM | Reply

So much straw, so many odd ideas. You appear quite disconnected from reality.
Do you know anyone that's had to go on food stamps? That's needed assistance?
Why do you think someone that's getting gov't assistance is living lavishly? Why would you think I want to help people that don't need help - like you?
Why do you think they "aren't doing it for themselves" as if they can't or are unable?
Sounds like you bought into the Reagan BS about "Welfare Queens" and "Cadillacs," etc.

On AGI, you are correct. I did, indeed.

#142 | Posted by YAV at 2017-01-12 11:14 AM | Reply

I have a person I know at work that thought if Trump won every Muslim would be deported! I asked him why he thought that and he said he heard it on NPR. Which he listens to everyday! His children thought they would loose friends even if they were U.S. citizens!

#129 | Posted by Federalist

Then your friend is hard of hearing. I listen to NPR all the time and have NEVER heard them say that, or anything like it.

Great case against NPR though. "My friend said...."

Let's try for a THIRD time: If gov and corp funded news are corrupt, where do you get your info about current events?

#143 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-01-12 11:18 AM | Reply

NPR has nice podcasts, but generally, PBS > NPR.

#144 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-01-12 11:22 AM | Reply

Haha!!! The best ones are the ones where the NPR is proven wrong in the message right after they interject. Like the news conference one. They even SAID they stopped doing them, yet right above it the NPR tries to call them out like they are lying.

THIS is what is wrong with "fact checking". People who can think critically understand how dumb it is but if the subject is someone on one side, then the people on the other side will accept every fact check ever given. It's a sad state of affairs.

#145 | Posted by humtake at 2017-01-12 11:43 AM | Reply

"It was fear, imparted by leaders such as Saddam Hussein and Hafez, Al Assad, that kept the forces that formed ISIS in check."

Fear, but also fear of things that just don't happen in what we call a "free country." Iraq was a secular Western nation in the mold of Stalin in terms of the approach to governance.

I'm really only posting this because it's so seldom that me and Mad X agree so fully about something.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-12 12:03 PM | Reply

"Why are you talking about slavery?"

We's was talking about the Fourteenth Amendment, not a hard thread to follow. Do you have Federalist plonked or something?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-12 12:06 PM | Reply

I know you're talking about the 14th Amendment. You were also talking about slavery as if it's a relevant topic today.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-01-12 12:07 PM | Reply

I was specifically adressing the portion of the 14th Amendment in which the government takes the "property" known as slaves without offering any compensation.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-12 12:11 PM | Reply

NPR....PBA....same barrel..

after a debate they fact checked Trump's comment about the meeting between Lynch and Billy....their FACT CHECKER ???

they asked Bill if they talked about hillary's fbi case

their facts depended upon the honesty of bill clinton..

no thanks.....

#150 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-01-12 12:55 PM | Reply

they weren't taking Bill Clinton as fact they were simply getting his version of the story straight from the horse's mouth. whether or not you believed him was entirely up to you, the listener.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-12 01:42 PM | Reply

" My preference is the BBC."

Mad X likes the state owned and state run news the best.

lol

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-01-13 10:10 AM | Reply

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