Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, December 13, 2016

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
"The GOP's Stealth War on Voters," 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

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This thread was already posted here. Can't you Babies-with-Rabies even come up with something new to whine about?

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2016-12-13 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Exactly. Nothing like the Benghazi investigation can be expected.

#2 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-12-13 03:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh yes, we need to ignore real election fraud and focus on fake voter fraud.

#3 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2016-12-13 03:46 PM | Reply

Sure don't hear any talk on corporate news about it, but we hear a constant flow of talk about unprovable hacking that had far less impact that Crosscheck and the Republicans know it and that is why they are supporting investigations into the Russian hacking but not Crosscheck. Americans should be outraged about this. It enable the Republicans to steal the election, provably so.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-13 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Americans should be outraged about this.
#4 | DANNI

Gotta roll it out one more time.
www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by Whizzo at 2016-12-13 04:44 PM | Reply

Federal and state law require voter list maintenance. Federal law sets the floor for the procedures to remove a voter from the list and prescribes the procedures Palast is whining about. Those procedures have zero to do with "the Supreme Court gutt[ing] the Voting Rights Act." The procedures predate the Court's Shelby decision by years.

Odd that Palast throws a lot of --- on the wall yet fails to acknowledge how and why the --- exists. Typical of the completely clueless.

#6 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-13 05:34 PM | Reply

People die, people move, and voter lists should reflect who is eligible to vote. As nonpartisan as I can put this, we need to have a data base that automatically removes the dead, the felons, and those who are registered in other locals. As of now, we do not. Should we require a Social Security number to register? That would simplify things considerably. As of now, we have 50 different systems. None of which is a part of a national data base. The irony is we already have a national data base that if used could help clean up this mess. The Social Security Administration.

#7 | Posted by docnjo at 2016-12-13 05:53 PM | Reply

These fake lists (based on partial matches) are generated by Rethugs whose purpose is to reduce target minority neighborhoods. I don't vote in every election because Mormons control this State. But no one has ever dropped me from the rolls because I missed a vote, as Rethugs do in poor neighborhoods. Cross check is a program similar to what Kathleen Harris did in Florida in 2000. Along with distributing broken machines in Detroit it was the key to throwing Michigan to Trump in a fake electoral victory.

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-12-13 07:27 PM | Reply

Actually there was an attempt, by the leftist media, to steal the election from Trump through their 'yellow journalism' and fortunately they failed as more Americans than ever have learned not to trust the extremely biased 'major' media. That media continues in their attacks and will for the next four years, but it seems the only ones that believe them is their own gullible dems.

This is the same media that through their BS has their own dem snowflakes turning to their safe spaces because they are the gullible ones.

#9 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-12-13 07:48 PM | Reply

Nutcase,

Along with distributing broken machines in Detroit it was the key to throwing Michigan to Trump in a fake electoral victory.

Um, don't think so:

Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month's presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city's 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson's office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.


www.detroitnews.com

If you based your comment from a source, you may want to re-check said source. If anything, it would appear that we have "wussie" :-) malfeasance in Detroit.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-13 07:48 PM | Reply

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#8 | Posted by nutcase

Another from the land of the completely clueless. The Interstate Voter Registration Cross Check Program uses voter lists from member states, 30 as of this year, to find duplicate registrations. States can then use match information to perform their duties under the NVRA. One of those duties is to remove persons who do not vote for a specified time.

www.ncsl.org

www.google.com

Go get an education.

#11 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-13 08:22 PM | Reply

Since it's not in any plausible universe possible that hillary (and her legacy media surrogates) lost the election -- in truly embarrassing fashion! -- due to being conniving, duplicitous, double-dealing, intriguing back-stabbers, let's blame "fake news", russia, as well as anyone and everyone not directly connected to the failed campaign!

SJWs always lie, project, and double-down. Sadly, the mainstream democratic party appears at this point indistinguishable from your run-of-the-mill tumblr SJW, insofar as they're unwilling or unable to face reality.

#12 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2016-12-13 08:54 PM | Reply

Perhaps the most schadenfreude'iest part of this selection cycle was not just that the to-be-anointed one, Hillary, lost her last chance at a coronation when it was hers to win; rather, it's that she was such an abysmal, horrid, downright awful, malignant, and reprehensible candidate that she lost to none other than Trump -- America's Next Top Candidate.

That's some kind of staggering rebuke. No wonder all you regressives are so butt-hurt!

#13 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2016-12-13 09:01 PM | Reply

America's Next Top Candidate

America's Next Top President.

Like it or not, trump is your president if you are an American citizen.

#14 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2016-12-13 09:06 PM | Reply

#14 It's not December 19th yet, let alone January 21st.

Regardless, Trump will never be MY president. Never before have right and wrong been so obvious.

The comic tragedy is watching my fellow Christians contort and distort their so-called "morality" in excusing their vote for Trump.

#15 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 03:47 AM | Reply

Like it or not, trump is your president if you are an American citizen.

True, when he is elected I will treat his office accordingly, so should all.

#16 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 05:03 AM | Reply

The comic tragedy is watching my fellow Christians contort and distort their so-called "morality" in excusing their vote for Trump.
#15 | POSTED BY BOCAINK AT 2016-12-14 03:47 AM | FLAG:

That's some funny ---- right there!

To believe that the Clintons have any more morals than the tangerine toupee takes quite an imagination.

You got what you got because the DNC ran a shady candidate. Nothing else

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-12-14 12:21 PM | Reply

#17 AMEN to the max!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-14 12:28 PM | Reply

"You got what you got because the DNC ran a shady candidate. Nothing else"

You didn't even look at the numbers provided.

"True, when he is elected I will treat his office accordingly, so should all."

Same thing was said when George W. Bush was inaugurated, unfortunately he did not show the same respect for America that America showed for him. Lying us into an unnecessary war was an insult to the American people. I won't bother showing Trump any respect right from the get go. He's not my President. He's my enemy.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 01:05 PM | Reply

#17/18

Yes, Hillary's morals are much better than Trump, you pony-riding dolts!

It's evident in the life's work that each of them chose and the fruits of their efforts.

Prance Prance Prance Trot Trot Trot. Be Wrong Wrong Wrong, enjoy Trump/Sessions/Flynn/Tillerson/Putin. AKA, Laura Trump's hubby and buddies.

#20 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Is he a traitor, Danni?

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 01:33 PM | Reply

#21

If you give a damn about the Logan Act, ummmm yeah. It's pretty obvious.

#22 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Is he a traitor, Danni?"

Starting to look that way to millions of Americans, the CIA, members of Congress, foreign leaders.

""You got what you got because the DNC ran a shady candidate. Nothing else"

A terrible candidate wouldn't have won the popular vote. She would also have won the Electoral College had those states not used Crosscheck to dishonestly disqualify 1.1 million voters who happened to be people of color. You guys are so busy bashing Hillary that you don't even notice when your democracy is being destroyed. Bernie would be ashamed of you.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love how these jackoles go on and on about "Like it or not, trump is your president if you are an American citizen" but they constantly tried to delegitimize Obama at every turn, even lying about his eligibility to even be President. The same folks demanding we accept Trump as President refused to acknowledge Obama's legitimacy as President. Instead they put forward that POS Trump that got his start as a candidate based on his record of lying about Obama's birth records.

So here you go, you ridiculous hypocrites: Trump is not my President.

Oh, and Hillary has more than 2.8 million votes over Trump now.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2016-12-14 02:07 PM | Reply

In perspective, 2.8 million people is 500k more than everyone who watches Fox News during an average evening for the knee-jerk reaction that 2.8 million is insignificant. I can't say for sure but I think it doubles the differences in all popular vote winner/election loser candidates combined ever.

It's a huge difference that should never happen. Not at least without some mitigation from the house or other balance of power (hint hint EC!)

#25 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 02:16 PM | Reply

I only bring up that fact that when you count the Stein and Johnson jockeys, a large portion(likely majority) of non-voters, kids (sorry Kanye, most hate Trump even if they think he is funny), and all of the future immigrants that Trump is going to not stop coming into the country....be very very aware. You are still the minority, Deplorables. And we know how you think minorities should be treated, heh heh heh.

You are surrounded by people who hate your guts, that defriended you on Facebook, that don't call anymore. Just because your cuzzin Jethro, your brother Jethro, and that one black dude that hates other black dudes in your neighborhood, Jethro, all think Trump is the bees knees in Trashville, you should be very very afraid.

You are surrounded and there's nowhere to hide.

Boo!

#26 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 02:29 PM | Reply

#26 Do you have a point or just more emotional vomit???

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-14 02:33 PM | Reply

Danni didn't believe in voter before she believed in voter fraud.

#28 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-14 02:36 PM | Reply

Actually, at this point, I hope MMA executives read the DR for thrills, because I would sell all of my possessions to witness Laura Vs. Hillary in the Octagon.

Just imagine the pent-up rage, the spite, the flying hair, the fits of hysteria, and you know only one is making it out alive. It would be the greatest spectacle ever!

#29 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-12-14 02:36 PM | Reply

"Danni didn't believe in voter before she believed in voter fraud."

Crosscheck isn't voter fraud, it's election fraud. It's a solution to a non-existent problem that disenfranchised 1.1 million voters without their knowledge. But hey, Republicans won, so it's all good right Federalist? Winning is everything.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni,

Please see the links in #11.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 03:02 PM | Reply

"Crosscheck Is Not Just Crooked,
It's Criminal"

www.gregpalast.com

Read Congressman Hasting's letter to Attorney General Lynch. He says, based on the investigation conducted by Greg Pallast, states that Crosscheck ignores SS numbers if they don't match, Jr. and Sr. designations are ignored, the middle name is ignored even when they are different.

I clicked on your link Jeff, I read the actual memo and found this little tidbit: "All original data will be secvurely destroyed upon completion of the project."
I also found the criteria they were comparing, specifically first name, last name and birth date. They knew that among the black community the diversity of names is much less than among whites and they knew that on any given day babies are born and given the same first and last names as many other babies in any state that has a large black population. And just like Pallast reports they ignore any information which would identify individuals by SS number, Jr., Sr., or their middle name. That was the whole basis for this dishonest and criminal enterprise. I hope these guys in the various states that used this go to jail.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 03:27 PM | Reply

But, the news media is ignoring the story and only talking about the Russian hacking which is relatively minor compared to the disengranchisement of over 1 million people.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 03:29 PM | Reply

Danni,

Please see the links in #11.

When you get done with those take a look at the Carter Baker Commission on Election Reform report at section 2.6. They identify problems with voter lists that are addressed by systems like The Electronic Registration Information Center and The Interstate Crosscheck Program that require action in accord with the NVRA. I know it hurts your feelings to have your talking points debunked but there it is.

#34 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 03:43 PM | Reply

"I know it hurts your feelings to have your talking points debunked but there it is."

You know it is completely legitimate when the data is required to be destroyed after they process the names so that no one can even review their process.

Learned that from link #2 on Jeff's post #11, also the criteria for eliminating a voter and how ridiculous and obviously meant to suppress the black vote.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 04:06 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by danni

You should advise President Obama's Commission on Election Administration, Section III, that you don't approve of its endorsement of both The Electronic Registration Information Center and The Interstate Crosscheck Program or states complying with the list maintenance mandates of the NVRA. They also approve of Crosscheck deleting the data after the checks are run. Be sure and read the footnotes, particularly the one that describes how Crosscheck works.

Perhaps if Palast had done more research he wouldn't write such ignorant and inflammatory critiques. Instead he takes raw data out of context without critical analysis then throws speculative conclusions on the wall to see what sticks. Apparently, some then accept the whole wall hook, line and sinker.

#36 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 04:47 PM | Reply

Whatever Et Al, Cross Check only compared first and last names and birthday. Disregarded SS number, Jr., Sr., and middle names, Some two voters with different middle names are assumed to be one person committing voter fraud.

I looked at Section III of the Commission on Election Administration, very general advice about states comparing data bases but it would be ridiculous to believe that they would have recommended comparing databases with only first name, last name and birth date ignoring all other criteria that would show that the people were different individuals and only a dishonest person would pretend otherwise.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 06:35 PM | Reply

"Perhaps if Palast had done more research he wouldn't write such ignorant and inflammatory critiques."

Greg Pallast is one of the best investigative reporters in the country. You can see his movie about all of this on Amazon, but it would cost you $2.00. If you are really interested in election fairness you would do so. But you're not, so you won't.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 06:37 PM | Reply

BTW, somehow Pallast actually go hold of the list of voters, he can prove his case in spite of the efforts of the states involved to prevent anyone from gaining access to the evidence.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 06:38 PM | Reply

That doesn't mean he always gets it right, Danni.

Tom Brady is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Yet, even he has bad games.

Et Al was VERY specific as to what Palast got wrong.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 06:39 PM | Reply

Ask yourself Jeff, if you were comparing voters from different states, would you only compare first name, last name and birth date but ignore Jr., Sr., middle name and SS number? Et Al is as dishonest as the people who operated Crosscheck and he knows it. He's not dumb, I'll give you that but he is dishonest. This case is just too obviously voter suppression and nothing more. ANd they suppressed 1.1 million votes with it. That should make you angry not combative with me or do you like the idea of a bunch of Koch paid crooks stealing our election? And be sure, the right wing has lots of well paid operatives doing their dirty work, people without consciences are all throughout the "vast right wing conspiracy." Believe it because, it's true.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 07:00 PM | Reply

#17/18
Yes, Hillary's morals are much better than Trump, you pony-riding dolts!
It's evident in the life's work that each of them chose and the fruits of their efforts.
Prance Prance Prance Trot Trot Trot. Be Wrong Wrong Wrong, enjoy Trump/Sessions/Flynn/Tillerson/Putin. AKA, Laura Trump's hubby and buddies.

Imma let you off the hook on that one. You look like you're in full meltdown mode again. I've seen it, it ain't pretty.

#42 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-12-14 07:36 PM | Reply

I had to provide my ID when I voted and they specifically checked date of birth for the very reason of Jr, Sr, etc.

Do you think Democratic voters have a monopoly on those things?

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 07:38 PM | Reply

You got what you got because the DNC ran a shady candidate. Nothing else"

A terrible candidate wouldn't have won the popular vote. She would also have won the Electoral College had those states not used Crosscheck to dishonestly disqualify 1.1 million voters who happened to be people of color. You guys are so busy bashing Hillary that you don't even notice when your democracy is being destroyed. Bernie would be ashamed of you.

#23 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2016-12-14 01:54 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Shoulda woulda coulda. Under who's watch did "cross check" come about?

And the EC....... Its been put to vote more than once. There's not enough support in DC to do anything about it. Wasn't Hillary supposed to do something about it when she was elected Senator??

The fact that Hillary struggled with Donald Trump says a lot and you don't want to admit that. That race should have never been even close.. Keep your head in the sand with the rest of the DNC, more to come...

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-12-14 07:42 PM | Reply

Danni,

You are delusional if you think election fraud is exclusive to the GOP.

Stein and Hillary pushed for a recount in Michigan. Turns out 37% of Detroit precincts (heavily Democratic) had more votes than voters.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 07:43 PM | Reply

"You are delusional if you think election fraud is exclusive to the GOP."
Jeffj

No ----, just ask Bernie.

BTW. Good evening Jeff.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-12-14 07:46 PM | Reply

Good evening to you, Mr no-vowel.

I'm watching in despair as the clouds are dumping a ton of snow on two of my favorite outdoor cookers.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-14 07:50 PM | Reply

"Danni,
You are delusional if you think election fraud is exclusive to the GOP. "

I read that but now show me proof that Democrats had anything to do with that.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:06 PM | Reply

One thing we can probably be sure of, if the Dems hacked an election, the Russians would make sure we all know about it.
Where are they on Crosscheck? No where, because they wanted Trump to win, as our own CIA informs us.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:07 PM | Reply

Good evening to you, Mr no-vowel.
I'm watching in despair as the clouds are dumping a ton of snow on two of my favorite outdoor cookers.

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Dude, seriously, I have to get a rental for my new contract consulting gig. Momma approved the budget for a grill if I get a place with a patio. Looking at one of these babies.
www.cajungrill.com

The new job is about 2 hours from home and only 4 days a week but you can't not have a grill, right???

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-12-14 08:09 PM | Reply

Whatever Et Al, Cross Check only compared first and last names and birthday. Disregarded SS number, Jr., Sr., and middle names ...

Didn't read the footnotes, haven't read the MOU and other original documents that describe the data uploaded. I linked them at 11. Of course not, you prefer believing what someone selling you their opinions has to say than original sources.

But then you have an agenda, I don't. I just do my damnedest to find original sources and empirical data to back up what I have to say. You do you damnedest to find anything supporting your preconceived SJW "vote suppression" meme.

ANd they suppressed 1.1 million votes with it.

Yep, raw data without critical analysis. One question, by way of example, how many were dead? Another problem with Palast, the NVRA doesn't work the way or as fast his reporting describes. But you keep on believing and sending him money. BTW, you're sounding a lot like Buffalo Bob and his shilling of some movie about smoke stacks on the moon or some such.

#51 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 08:09 PM | Reply

There is no evidence of voter fraud.
~The Left

#52 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-12-14 08:23 PM | Reply

Also no mention here of the fraud in Detroit that favored Hillary.

#53 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-12-14 08:24 PM | Reply

One more thing. Waaaa Waaa Waaa

#54 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-12-14 08:25 PM | Reply

How can you libs complain about voter fraud after spending years (yes years) telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud and voter fraud doesn't exist. Deaf, dumb, and blind. That's what you are. Bunch of hacks.

#55 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-12-14 08:33 PM | Reply

ET Al, I use computers all the time to find data I need so I understand that the criteria of a search is critical and so do you. Don't play dumb. They used only first name, last name and birth date and you can't pretend that was a rational or fair way to disenfranchise voters and you know it. Be honest for fifteen seconds, if you can, and admit that was f****d up! It was pure voter suppression and you know it. Deny it and you'll look like a liar. Deal with it.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:34 PM | Reply

"How can you libs complain about voter fraud after spending years (yes years) telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud and voter fraud doesn't exist. "

Cuz this was election fraud not voter fraud stupid. Buy a clue!

#57 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:35 PM | Reply

Hey let's find Michael Jordan.

www.peoplefinders.com

This is how they stole the election morons and liars! I won't tell you which I think you are. But you are one or the other if you deny it.

#58 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:38 PM | Reply

Click on my link? Notice those middle initials? That criteria wasn't considered when they disenfranchised 1.1. million voters in swing states. Morons or liars, choose which category you want to be considered.

#59 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:39 PM | Reply

Let's look for Jamal Johnson.

www.peoplefinders.com

#60 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 08:44 PM | Reply

Be honest for fifteen seconds, if you can, and admit that was f****d up!

If that were true, you and Palast are correct. However, the President's Commission and the original documents, published by the PA ACLU and linked at 11, say other wise.

Your to be honest for fifteen seconds and admit you haven't read what I have.

#61 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 08:57 PM | Reply

There is no evidence of election fraud because it doesn't exist. It's illegal. If they had evidence then they should charge someone with a crime. Since there is no evidence there is no crime. Next!

#62 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-12-14 08:57 PM | Reply

"If that were true, you and Palast are correct. However, the President's Commission and the original documents, published by the PA ACLU and linked at 11, say other wise."

Sorry, but I read the link to that you posted and no, they did not say anything of the kind. Yes they recommended states working together to prevent voter fraud, which has never been a problem, but they did not recommend Crosscheck with such minimal standards of comparison between different voters. You know that as well as I do, you are a liar and you know it but you aren't used to someone calling you out on it.

#63 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 09:20 PM | Reply

"There is no evidence of election fraud because it doesn't exist. It's illegal. "

Oh please, you're a know liar around here for years. Why do you even try? Of course there is election fraud, what there is very little of, provably so, is voter fraud. So hey, let's pass laws all over the country to prevent voter fraud (which doesn't exist) so that average citizens, who don't even understand the difference between voter fraud and election fraud, will think you are trying to keep American elections honest....which is completely a lie. Too many on your side have bragged openly about the benefits of suppressing the vote, the secret is out, sure only a few of us know it be that number will grow. Your side is based on lies and deceit, you know it, I know it and pretty soon America will know it.

#64 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-14 09:24 PM | Reply

... they did not recommend Crosscheck with such minimal standards ...

I guess you missed this part from the PCEA:

The first is the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program (IVRC). Twenty-nine states have joined that program.75 Participating states exchange and compare voting data after a federal election to ascertain whether voters in different states, sharing the same name, birthdate and other information, voted in the same election. (emphasis mine)
And this part, which I guess we interpret differently:
The Commission endorses state programs to share data and to collaborate in the synchronization of voter lists so that the states, on their own initiative, come as close as possible to creating an accurate database of the eligible electorate. The Commission recommends that these programs be structured to consolidate and integrate all compatible functions. Such projects should strive to improve the accuracy of voter registration records, enhance the ability to detect ineligible voting and prosecute voter fraud, reduce administrative costs, and increase registration rates. Doing so will help achieve management efficiencies and enhance these programs' appeal to the states that have yet to join in these collaborative ventures. Thus far, programs of this kind have shown the ability to safeguard any voter information they receive.78 (emphasis original)
That endorsement immediately follows the Commission description of the only two programs in the country that provide this type of service. And I guess you missed this part from footnote 78:
The IVRC uses a secure FTP site, deletes all participating states' data after running the crosscheck, and compares only certain data types (e.g., name, date of birth, address and Social Security number) (emphasis mine).
I guess you also haven't divined from your reading of Palast that IVRC only does data analysis and it's up to member states to decide what to do with the information in compliance with the NVRA. Or that IVRC provides a confidence rating for all matches and recommends states do further diligence in compliance with the NVRA. All of which and more details are disclosed in the original document published by ACLUPA.

You keep on reading Palast and believing in conspiracies. I'll keep on looking for credible information.

#65 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-14 09:56 PM | Reply

I didn't miss any of that but no where does it say they should limit the criteria they are comparing to just first name, last name and birth date and ignore Jr., Sr., middle name and Social Security number. That is a recipe for disenfranchising thousands of voters and they knew it at the time and that is exactly what happened. So Trump and Republicans win elections they would have lost without cheating.

"I guess you also haven't divined from your reading of Palast that IVRC only does data analysis and it's up to member states to decide what to do with the information in compliance with the NVRA."

I've "divined" that the states were allowed to operate Crosscheck in a manner designed to suppress the vote and you know it. I don't really even think you can deny it but perhaps you actually are dishonest enough to allow yourself to deny it, still doesn't change the fact that any normal person who reviews what they did will understand what they were trying to accomplish, to suppress the Black, Hispanic and Asian vote. They succeeded, I guess you are pleased but those of us who actually believe in democracy are not.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-15 08:07 AM | Reply

#66 | Posted by danni

If I'm being dishonest I came to that position by honest means; reading and relying on original sources such as IVRC contract documents, President Obama's Commission on Election Administration, federal statutes and this report by the Virginia State Board of Elections. www.google.com

I provide that report because Palast seems, I say seems because he rambles all over the place, to focus on 41,000 voters stricken in that state. The report refers to a little over 41,000. It then describes how those matches were arrived at, first and last name, dob and last four of ssn. It describes how a far greater pool of raw data from various sources was parsed, how NVRA requirements were fulfilled and, most importantly, how many voters were actually removed from the voter list when and why. For example, about 3000 were identified as deceased.

So, again, you keep on believing Palast and conspiracy theories proffered by an agenda driven flamethrower and I'll continue reading and believing original sources.

#67 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-15 04:42 PM | Reply

If I'm being dishonest I came to that position by honest means; reading and relying on original sources such as IVRC contract documents, President Obama's Commission on Election Administration, federal statutes and this report by the Virginia State Board of Elections. www.google.com
I provide that report because Palast seems, I say seems because he rambles all over the place, to focus on 41,000 voters stricken in that state. The report refers to a little over 41,000. It then describes how those matches were arrived at, first and last name, dob and last four of ssn. It describes how a far greater pool of raw data from various sources was parsed, how NVRA requirements were fulfilled and, most importantly, how many voters were actually removed from the voter list when and why. For example, about 3000 were identified as deceased.
So, again, you keep on believing Palast and conspiracy theories proffered by an agenda driven flamethrower and I'll continue reading and believing original sources.
#67 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-15 04:42 PM

The Commission endorses state programs to share data and to collaborate in the synchronization of voter lists so that the states, on their own initiative, come as close as possible to creating an accurate database of the eligible electorate.

"The IVRC uses a secure FTP site, deletes all participating states' data after running the crosscheck, and compares only certain data types (e.g., name, date of birth, address and Social Security number) (emphasis mine)."

So, the entire database it collects is checked against a specific set of parameters and then deleted. This process cannot be repeated or verified why?

#68 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2016-12-16 01:53 PM | Reply

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