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Thursday, December 01, 2016

Gary Legum, Salon: The more we learn about the agreement Donald Trump reached with Carrier Corporation for the manufacturer to keep 1,000 or so jobs in Indiana instead of moving them to Mexico, the more the whole shaky edifice looks to be propped up by positive spin and Trump's own immense self-regard. ... Basically, the deal is short-term ego gratification for Trump that does nothing to address the long-term problem of manufacturing decline in the Rust Belt, or even honestly level with blue-collar workers about the future of factory jobs that are growing ever scarcer in America. Trump has no more idea how to do that than anyone else in his party -- assuming his party is even interested in doing so -- beyond bribing companies with tax breaks.

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In exchange for tax breaks that will cost the state of Indiana $700,000 per year for an unspecified number of years, Carrier will keep 850 manufacturing jobs in the state, along with 300 headquarters and engineering jobs that were going to move to North Carolina. About 1,300 jobs will still move to the glorious workers' paradise of Mexico. ... [A]t the end of the day, what a deal like this does is incentivize other CEOs to threaten to offshore their companies unless the president of the United States offers them a specific deal to stay. The companies that spend the most on lobbying will get access to such negotiations. The president will be negotiating with individual CEOs, one at a time, instead of working on policies that might create conditions for all companies to stay in the United States.

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Tough to spin this as anyhting other than a win. I wish all government would say, "we want to help you succeed in America. The feds do $6 billion a year in contracts with you, we plan to cut corporate taxes and address competitive barriers, and the state will offer you lower taxes (but no payments)to stay. If you leave we will tax the ---- out of you and wont buy from you".

This is how you handle companies. Be successful with us, or leave and lose. The current government just says " ok..leave, avoid our dumb rules, pay crap wages, and bring your crap back here tarriff free...and still get access to our government contracts and the same tax deals as everyone else". That dumb ---- is what this whole election was about.

#1 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 08:38 PM | Reply

Tough to spin this as anyhting other than a win.

Be careful... you don't want to get tired of winning too soon.

Everything in moderation.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-12-01 08:45 PM | Reply

Tough to spin this as anyhting other than a win. I wish all government would say, "we want to help you succeed in America. The feds do $6 billion a year in contracts with you, we plan to cut corporate taxes and address competitive barriers, and the state will offer you lower taxes (but no payments)to stay. If you leave we will tax the ---- out of you and wont buy from you".

This is how you handle companies. Be successful with us, or leave and lose. The current government just says " ok..leave, avoid our dumb rules, pay crap wages, and bring your crap back here tarriff free...and still get access to our government contracts and the same tax deals as everyone else". That dumb ---- is what this whole election was about.

Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 08:38 PM | Reply

It's actually a loss and not a win if you had any comprehension skills. It says the company doesn't value American labour but will keep them if paid enough protection money.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 08:50 PM | Reply

More of the establishment telling us what is good for us.

Capital before labor.

You lost.

It's time to try a different approach.

Labor before capital.

#4 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-12-01 08:52 PM | Reply

Tough to spin this as anyhting other than a win.

#1 | Posted by nole74

It doesnt even require spinning. Trump paid a ransom. That's a loss. And he paid it with YOUR money. So YOU lost.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's actually a loss and not a win if you had any comprehension skills. It says the company doesn't value American labour but will keep them if paid enough protection money.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

They got 700k a year in lower taxes. Compare that to Boeing getting $8 billion a year or Tesla at a billion form Nevada alone. This deal is dirt cheap at $700 per job. Basically a pat on the back so you can save your pride as you run back to report to your board with tail between your legs. The state will make many times that in income taxes that Obama was waving bye to as these jobs rushed to Mexico.

Nobody did anything to stop it but Trump. Nothing. That is a crime.

#6 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:05 PM | Reply

They got 700k a year in lower taxes. Compare that to Boeing getting $8 billion a year or Tesla at a billion form Nevada alone. This deal is dirt cheap at $700 per job. Basically a pat on the back so you can save your pride as you run back to report to your board with tail between your legs. The state will make many times that in income taxes that Obama was waving bye to as these jobs rushed to Mexico.

Nobody did anything to stop it but Trump. Nothing. That is a crime.

Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:05 PM | Reply

700K a job and how much does each worker make??? I would hazard a guess of something less than 100K. It'x a loss to the American populace because they will eat those costs.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 09:10 PM | Reply

Anti-Trumpers would have preferred these jobs move to Mexico.

Sad!

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-01 09:10 PM | Reply

Laura, it is $700.0 per job, not $700k. The workers will pay more in taxes than the company received in incentives.

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-01 09:11 PM | Reply

Nobody did anything to stop it but Trump. Nothing. That is a crime.

#6 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW Why is Trump going around acting like he is president already. He is overstepping his authority which is NONE until Jan 20th at Noon eastern.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 09:12 PM | Reply

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"Nobody did anything to stop it but Trump Mike Pence, Governor of Indiana.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-12-01 09:20 PM | Reply

They got 700k a year in lower taxes. Compare that to Boeing getting $8 billion a year or Tesla at a billion form Nevada alone. This deal is dirt cheap at $700 per job. Basically a pat on the back so you can save your pride as you run back to report to your board with tail between your legs. The state will make many times that in income taxes that Obama was waving bye to as these jobs rushed to Mexico.

Nobody did anything to stop it but Trump. Nothing. That is a crime.

#6 | Posted by nole74

It's not a crime, that's the problem. The only way to actually stop companies from leaving is to pass laws and taxes to stop them. Not bribe each and every one to stay here, again, with YOUR money.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:21 PM | Reply

700K a job and how much does each worker make??? I would hazard a guess of something less than 100K. It'x a loss to the American populace because they will eat those costs.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

NO WONDER YOU DONT GET IT. You are confused. It is $700 a job not $700k a job. Yuuge difference.

#13 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:21 PM | Reply

Anti-Trumpers would have preferred these jobs move to Mexico.

Sad!

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92

Trumpers have to make ridiculous accusations about their opponents to feel like they're on the right side.

Sad.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:21 PM | Reply

What does our President think?
news.grabien.com

#15 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:24 PM | Reply

This is how you handle companies. Be successful with us, or leave and lose.

Funny. This sort of behavior from a Dem would have had you mouth breathers huffing yourselves unconscious.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2016-12-01 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NO WONDER YOU DONT GET IT. You are confused. It is $700 a job not $700k a job. Yuuge difference.

Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:21 PM | Reply

No I am NOT comfused. The citizens of Indiana are paying 700K per job to keep them here therefore it's MORE than the workers actually make.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 09:28 PM | Reply

What does our President think?
news.grabien.com

#15 | Posted by Federalist

Wow, so the key to getting trump to do something is for obama to say he can't do it.

That's one way to run a country.

Obama should say trump can't cut carbon emissions or avoid starting a war.

This fool is going to set his agenda based on grudges instead of policies.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:28 PM | Reply


Trumpers have to make ridiculous accusations about their opponents to feel like they're on the right side.

Sad.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a valid statement and what's sad is your inability to objectively judge it as such.

#19 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2016-12-01 09:30 PM | Reply

It's a valid statement and what's sad is your inability to objectively judge it as such.

#19 | Posted by daniel_3

Really? "Democrats WANT jobs to move to mexico" is a valid statement?

This just shows how twisted right wing propaganda has made your mind.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:35 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Obama said it after Trump said he could.
Try to keep up.

#21 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:38 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Actually Democrats want Mexican jobs to move here. Done by Mexicans.

#22 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:40 PM | Reply

Actually Democrats want Mexican jobs to move here. Done by Mexicans.

#22 | Posted by Federalist

I'm sure you have a breitbart link that told you so.

Democrats put the skidmarks in your underwear too.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:41 PM | Reply

No I am NOT comfused. The citizens of Indiana are paying 700K per job to keep them here therefore it's MORE than the workers actually make.

#17 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2016-12-01 09:28 PM | REPLY

Dude, I dont want to give you a hard time but read the article. The deal was Indiana gets 1000 jobs and a $16 million dollar new investment from Carrier for $700,000....700,000/1000= $700 per job.

That is a pretty amazingly small amount but that was the deal. You are confused.

#24 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:42 PM | Reply


This just shows how twisted right wing propaganda has made your mind.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, your comment shows you probably haven't even thought through his statement. What was your alternative?

#25 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2016-12-01 09:43 PM | Reply

Obama said it after Trump said he could.
Try to keep up.

#21 | Posted by Federalist

That's the point. Trump's priorities are set by his massive fragile ego.

He did this because obama said he couldn't.

He didn't pick any other company. He picked carrier as a PR move to prove obama wrong.

If that childish pyschology in a president doesn't frighten you, you don't have much between your ears.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:44 PM | Reply

No, your comment shows you probably haven't even thought through his statement. What was your alternative?

#25 | Posted by daniel_3

Alternative to bribing them to stay?

Howbout tax penalties if they leave?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:46 PM | Reply

"Wow, so the key to getting trump to do something is for obama to say he can't do it.

That's one way to run a country." Speak

"Obama said it after Trump said he could." FED

"He did this because obama said he couldn't." Speak

Reading is comprehensive.

#28 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:48 PM | Reply

Nole74 Sorry but you ARE the weakest link. GOODBYE

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 09:49 PM | Reply

Reading is comprehensive.

#28 | Posted by Federalist

But MIND reading isn't. If you want someone to know what you're talking about you're going to have to type it.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:49 PM | Reply

Trump said it before Obama said it could not be done.
Man!

#31 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:50 PM | Reply

Need a wambulance speak?

#32 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-12-01 09:51 PM | Reply

Nole74 Sorry but you ARE the weakest link. GOODBYE

#29 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2016-12-01 09:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I guess you finally figured out you are wrong, but no need to be mad. Celebrate these jobs, more money for the state, investment in the community, and a secure future for a town. Be glad!

#33 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 09:51 PM | Reply

Trump said it before Obama said it could not be done.
Man!

#31 | Posted by Federalist

Yeah dummy. Go back to #18. Then #26.

Then figure out what point you're trying to make.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:52 PM | Reply

No, your comment shows you probably haven't even thought through his statement. What was your alternative?

#25 | Posted by daniel_3

Alternative to bribing them to stay?

Howbout tax penalties if they leave?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-01 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you don't think there were any penalties involved or discussed here? Carrier was receiving close to $400k a year in incentives to keep those jobs there already and still chose to leave as they eyed an admitted potential gain of $50-$60 million in salary reduction a year, but it was that extra $300k a year that pushed them to stay? Nothing else came into play? Whatever, I'm sort of over this topic already.

#35 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2016-12-01 09:53 PM | Reply

Some facts to clarify some misconceptions

Deal is $500,000 per year in tax abatement and $200,000 in money paid to Carrier for worker retraining.
So Indiana will take in less than before in taxes.

They would have lost worker income taxes if the jobs moved, though workers would likely have found alternate employment.

Only 850 jobs are remaining in Indiana, so the State of Indiana is subsidizing the employment of 850 people to the tune of $823.52 per year. I wonder how much state income tax those blue collar jobs will bring into the state coffers.

300 jobs are moving to North Carolina.

But that is not the end of the deal.

FTA

In addition, Trump supposedly promised an overhaul of the corporate tax code and an easing of regulations that will save Carrier many times the $65 million it had planned to save by moving its plant and 2,000 associated jobs from Indiana.

So these 850 jobs will cost us all more than $823.52 per year.

Nothing in article mentions property tax abatement so presumably that is not part of the deal.

Plus

The steel union was not part of the negotiations, so there may be an impact on them, something to track, ie whether the actual employees will need to realize a pay cut.

PLUS

UT had $4 Billion a year in PROFIT. not income PROFIT.

Makes one wonder what was necessity of them offshoring the jobs.

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2016-12-01 09:54 PM | Reply

I hope this helps.

grief.com

It's gonna be a long 4years...

#37 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-12-01 10:01 PM | Reply

Which Trump is the real Trump?

"We're going to bring out manufacturing back," Trump said. "We're not going to let Carrier come in, make air conditioners in Mexico and sell them to us across a very strong border, now. We're going to tell them, if you want to sell your air conditioners, you're going to pay a 35 percent tax. And you know what's going to happen? They're not going to move." Jul 13, 2016 www.theindychannel.com

Didn't say anything about bribing them or paying ransom, did he?

Is this the Trump you guys voted for?

#38 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-12-01 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didn't say anything about bribing them or paying ransom, did he?

Only spin-artists are characterizing Trump's First Win™ in that manner. At the end of the day, Trump has already done what Obama could not do.

Is this the Trump you guys voted for?
#38 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Yup! At the very least, that is the Trump who Carrier factory employees were voting for.

#39 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-01 11:14 PM | Reply

"Yup! At the very least, that is the Trump who Carrier factory employees were voting for."

Really? You sure about that? Chump voters cheer anything Trump says and does:

"I've been watching these politicians go through this for years," Trump said at a rally in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, on October 10. "I've been watching them give low-interest loans. I've been watching them give zero-interest loans. These companies don't even need the money, most of them; they take the money. There were a couple of instances where geniuses with great lawyers gave them money and then they moved anyway…I mean, the whole thing is crazy."

Trump made the same point in August at a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. (The Democratic super-PAC and opposition research outfit American Bridge found these examples and shared them with Mother Jones.) "Over the years, I've watched, for years, for 10 years, for 12 years, for 15 years, beyond Obama, and I've watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states," Trump said. "Remember, they'd give the low-interest loans. Here's a low-interest loan if you stay in Pennsylvania. Here's a zero-interest loan. You don't have to pay. Here's a this. Here's a tax abatement of any kind you want. We'll help your employees. It doesn't work, folks. That's not what they need. They have money. They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence. So all of that's over."

www.motherjones.com

Meet the old boss, same as the new boss. Judged by his own metric, he is just another dumb politician, employing a tactic he said doesn't work and promised to avoid, Chump voters swallow it whole, clap and say, "Please, sir, may I have another?"

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-01 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There were a couple of instances where geniuses with great lawyers gave them money and then they moved anyway…I mean, the whole thing is crazy."

Oh, and btw, one of those geniuses who gave corporations money only to have them move away was Pence himself:

"Even as Trump has apparently stopped Carrier's relocation for now, a company a mile away is in the process of shutting down its plant and sending nearly 300 jobs to Mexico. Both Carrier and the second company, Rexnord, had already benefited from tax incentives to stay in Indianapolis when they both decided to move operations to Mexico. Carrier had agreed to pay back $1.2 million to the city. The Indianapolis Star reported in August that under Pence, the Indiana Economic Development Corporation had awarded $24 million in incentives to companies that sent production overseas. Of that sum, $8.7 million had already been paid out."

www.motherjones.com

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-01 11:39 PM | Reply

Oh, and btw, one of those geniuses who gave corporations money only to have them move away was Pence himself:#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-01 11:39 PM | Reply

Did Mother Jones also mention that Carrier was investing $16 million into the Indiana plant now? Makes it pretty unlikely they move away huh? You got to watch out for that fake or misleading news. It will get you all ginned up.

He is not even in office yet but he is not going fast enough to stop offshoring from Obama? Let's see 50 days till his first day in office and yet he got Lincoln to move production of a model back to US, Carrier to keep 1000 jobs here and invest $16 million, Mexico is willing to renegotiate NAFTA, Russia and normalized relations, the market got a kick from expected economic acceleration. Seems like a pretty good start before he even gets into office. Actually seem like more accomplishments that Hillary in 8 years in the Senate. Imagine what he will do once he is actually in office.

#42 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-01 11:56 PM | Reply

"Did Mother Jones also mention that Carrier was investing $16 million into the Indiana plant now?"

Was/now? You mean is/now? Good precedent to set: take taxpayer money to stay, then threaten to move. Get more taxpayer money, then agree to stay (again). Who is to say they won't threaten to move again to get more money?

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:06 AM | Reply

Imagine what he will do once he is actually in office.

Yes. Just imagine.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-12-02 12:08 AM | Reply

Good precedent to set: take taxpayer money to stay, then threaten to move. Get more taxpayer money, then agree to stay (again). Who is to say they won't threaten to move again to get more money?| Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:06 AM | Reply |

Rest easy. Carrier is getting no money but will pay $700k less in taxes to go to worker training. Mind you they will still pay taxes. For that the people get 1000 jobs and $16,000,000 in investments.

That is a much better deal than no investment, no jobs, and no tax revenue, no income tax, no payroll tax, and a blighted factory. The criticism is maybe they leave later but in with Trumps deal they lose 16,000,000 and the workers are still better trained. That makes it no bueno for them to go to Mexico. Like Trump said, you gotta be smart.

#45 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-02 12:19 AM | Reply

#45 I've also heard Trump also promised them big tax cuts as part of his new tax plan as well as future deregulation that will benefit the company. Rest assured, they didn't do this out of the goodness of their hearts.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:25 AM | Reply

#46
In the campaign he promised less red tape and lower taxes for those who build here. Barriers and very high taxes for those that don't. The current policy is high taxes and red tape if you build here but zero taxes or barriers if you import.

I like his idea better.

#47 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-02 12:32 AM | Reply

that is the Trump who Carrier factory employees were voting for.

And over half of them lost their jobs. And their taxes are going to pay Carrier. And Carrier no longer has to pay tariffs on imported items. And Carrier has received tax exemptions. So the tax burden on the employees and ex employees has increased.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-12-02 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The deal that emerged this week is a relatively standard package of state incentives, according to people familiar with the agreement. In exchange for $7 million in tax breaks, Carrier will invest $16 million in its facilities in the state.

The company will keep about 800 jobs it had planned to move out of the Indianapolis plant, but it still plans to move 600 jobs from that factory to Mexico. United Technologies also will proceed with plans to close a second plant in Huntington, Ind., that makes electronic controls, moving 700 other jobs to Mexico."

www.wsj.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:33 AM | Reply

Also, some folks are wondering if there was some under the table quid pro quo we don't know about:

In addition to Carrier, United Technologies makes Pratt & Whitney jet engines and Otis elevators. It employs about 200,000 people, about one-third of them in the U.S.

The federal government is also an important customer. The U.S. military accounts for about 10% of United Technologies' $56 billion in annual sales, for products like the engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the top Democrat on the Finance Committee, said he would be asking more about the Carrier deal and said he would inquire whether there were promises about defense contracts.

www.wsj.com

Trump has promised increased military spending, so defense contracts under his administration should be particularly lucrative.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:37 AM | Reply

So if he cant stop every plant closong before he is in office he has failed? Where is the actual president?

Once Nafta is renegotited that will take care of this issue with a much broader stroke. Mexico has already admitted they have no choice but to renegotiate. Why this was not done years ago, I cant figure.

#51 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-02 12:40 AM | Reply

"Where is the actual president?"

Obama couldn't ask/tell Pence to use his state's taxpayer money to entice Carrier to stay, but Trump could. Look, what Pence and Trump did in IN is not unusual, as Trump himself pointed out. It doesn't make him someone special just because he pulled it off. It does make his victory lap on this ludicrous and hypocritical in light of his comments about "dumb" politicians who make these "crazy" deals that don't "work" (see my post #40 for Trump's contempt for pols who do what he just did).

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Logic can't break through cognitive dissonance.

#53 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-12-02 06:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama couldn't ask/tell Pence to use his state's taxpayer money to entice Carrier to stay, but Trump could
50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 12:37 AM | Reply

Why couldnt Obama ask Pence? Did he try? What did he do instead?

Below is a quote from Obama in response to Trump saying he would have Carrier keep the jobs if he were elected.

"he's going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do?" said Obama.

"There's -- there's no answer to it. He just says, "Well, I'm going to negotiate a better deal." Well, how -- what -- how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn't have an answer."

I GUESS OBAMA AND TRUMP ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN HOW THEY HANDLE THESE THINGS.

#54 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-02 08:13 AM | Reply

Yes. They are. I will miss Obama a great deal.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2016-12-02 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I GUESS OBAMA AND TRUMP ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN HOW THEY HANDLE THESE THINGS."

Yes, Trump lied when he said he'd use a stick instead of a carrot, and he lied about how different he would be from "dumb politicians" like Pence:

"I've been watching these politicians go through this for years," Trump said at a rally in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, on October 10. "I've been watching them give low-interest loans. I've been watching them give zero-interest loans. These companies don't even need the money, most of them; they take the money. There were a couple of instances where geniuses with great lawyers gave them money and then they moved anyway…I mean, the whole thing is crazy."

Trump made the same point in August at a rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. (The Democratic super-PAC and opposition research outfit American Bridge found these examples and shared them with Mother Jones.) "Over the years, I've watched, for years, for 10 years, for 12 years, for 15 years, beyond Obama, and I've watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states," Trump said. "Remember, they'd give the low-interest loans. Here's a low-interest loan if you stay in Pennsylvania. Here's a zero-interest loan. You don't have to pay. Here's a this. Here's a tax abatement of any kind you want. We'll help your employees. It doesn't work, folks. That's not what they need. They have money. They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence. So all of that's over."

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 10:50 AM | Reply

"Obama couldn't ask/tell Pence to use his state's taxpayer money to entice Carrier to stay, but Trump could."

It would have been pointless for Obama to ask Pence and the Indiana government to use state taxpayer dollars to save jobs at Carrier, it wouldn't have been to their political advantage to do so but now that is is to their advantage then, of course, they happily give away millions to Carrier to save a measly 800 not 2000 jobs. And for how long? This was purely a political stunt.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-02 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rofl at Liberals thinking Trump can do anything more right now than negotiate. HE CAN'T CHANGE THE STUPID TAX CODE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE. HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT YET.

There, now that you have been educated on something you should have already known, please go back to your safe spaces so you can cry about Hillary losing some more.

#58 | Posted by humtake at 2016-12-02 11:18 AM | Reply

Rofl at Liberals thinking Trump can do anything more right now than negotiate. HE CAN'T CHANGE THE STUPID TAX CODE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE. HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT YET.
#58 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

And yet he got them $7 million dollars and promises to lower their tax rate and de-regulate.

His powers are apparently both vastly limited and astounding at the same time!

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-12-02 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

So you voted to replace it with a new system where they threaten to leave, get a huge bribe, then move half their jobs overseas anyway and keep the government contracts.

Wow. That's much better

#60 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-12-02 01:47 PM | Reply

A pure PR move to go along with his cross-country "I WON!" tour, intended to distract the morons from noticing all the plutocrats and bankers he's hiring to help him "drain the swamp."

Works well on morons.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-02 01:51 PM | Reply

Did you miss the part where in addition to the $700k tax break they get $5.6 Billion/ year in overpriced guaranteed government contracts? Or how about the exemption from some regulations that will cost the surrounding communities millions to cover the negative externalities of?

#62 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-12-02 01:53 PM | Reply

Didn't say anything about bribing them or paying ransom, did he?
Only spin-artists are characterizing Trump's First Win™ in that manner. At the end of the day, Trump has already done what Obama could not do.

#39 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 AT 2016-12-01 11:14 PM | FLAG:

Hahaha. Mike Pence was able to make this happen in Indiana for one company. Not for the company across the street from Carrier, mind you, just Carrier. And he only "stopped" 1,000 of the 2,000 jobs from moving. Calling Obama out for not making a stupid deal that will not be replicated is par for the course, I guess.

#63 | Posted by chuffy at 2016-12-02 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So if he cant stop every plant closong before he is in office he has failed? Where is the actual president?
Once Nafta is renegotited that will take care of this issue with a much broader stroke. Mexico has already admitted they have no choice but to renegotiate. Why this was not done years ago, I cant figure.

#51 | POSTED BY NOLE74 AT 2016-12-02 12:40 AM | FLAG:

Because NAFTA was a concession to the Republicans that they are now pinning on Democrats. Bush had 6 years of unfettered control of all branches of government...he's not a Democrat. Obama had 2 years of a slight majority and he didn't renegotiate the treaty. Even if he had, the Republican Senate already explained that they were against everything, literally, that he would propose. It's actually really easy to figure. Good luck with this one, it's ALL yours now!

#64 | Posted by chuffy at 2016-12-02 02:54 PM | Reply

Trump has already done what Obama could not do.

Get outsmarted by some corporate CEOs at Carrier?

#Winning!

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-12-02 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Bush had 6 years of unfettered control of all branches of government...he's not a Democrat| Posted by chuffy at 2016-12-02 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree all the old guard global elites suck. Anyone who stood by while our nation was gutted deserves blame. Only a partisan hack thinks Bush, Clinton or Obama is going to address trade or corruption. Time for a change.

#66 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-12-02 05:00 PM | Reply

Only a partisan hack thinks Bush, Clinton or Obama is going to address trade or corruption. Time for a change.

#66 | Posted by nole74

And only dimwitted suckers think a billionaire con man is going to kick out the other plutocrats.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-02 06:10 PM | Reply

The change was Bernie.

People voted for trump because they wanted cruelty more than change.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-12-02 06:10 PM | Reply

"The change was Bernie"

wow, Bernie was nothing but a side show. Clinton Machine needed someone to oppose her to make it seem real

Biden, as dumb as he is, could have won this election. BUT, I feel very confident in saying the DEM Party told him to stand down MF!

#69 | Posted by Maverick at 2016-12-02 09:53 PM | Reply

Sarah Palin Calls Out Trump's Carrier Deal, Warns Against 'Crony Capitalism'

An unexpected dissenting voice came out Friday against a Trump administration brokered deal to keep a Carrier plant in Indiana and save around 1,000 jobs.

Former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in an op-ed for the Young Conservatives website called the deal, which was reportedly negotiated by Vice President-elect Mike Pence, an example of government intervention that could lead to "crony capitalism."

Palin said in the op-ed "I am ecstatic for Carrier employees!" But she wrote that while she didn't yet know the full terms of the deal, the negotiation could signal an abandonment of fiscal conservatism and stimulus packages that, if pursued, would mean the country is "doomed."

Palin, the former governor of Alaska, said in the op-ed that the package could encourage other businesses to threaten to leave the country in order to receive similar breaks, effectively motivating industries to blackmail the government.

"Republicans oppose this, remember? Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember?" Palin wrote. "Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail."

Palin wrote that she was hopeful the Trump administration is aware of the pitfalls of what she called "burdensome federal government imposition."

"Gotta' have faith the Trump team knows all this. And I'll be the first to acknowledge concerns over a deal cut by leveraging taxpayer interests to make a manufacturer stay put are unfounded -- once terms are made public," Palin wrote in the op-ed.

www.nbcnews.com

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-12-02 10:55 PM | Reply

#70

Jeebus on a cracker. We libs give credit when it's due, and sister Sara pretty much nails it on this on.

However, she's never be as measured if it were a Democrat, but that's okay, she's not.

Just needs to be said for the record.

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-12-02 11:15 PM | Reply

Damn, 'one' and 'she'd'. Sorry.

#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-12-02 11:16 PM | Reply

But I read it in her voice and I get sick, something has to give

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2016-12-02 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What exactly is 'bad' corporate behavior? Did Carrier violate some law we are unaware of?

#74 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-12-03 08:08 PM | Reply

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