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Wednesday, November 30, 2016

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is readying legislation that would extend legal protections for previously undocumented immigrants who came here as children -- benefits granted under a 2012 directive from President Barack Obama that are at risk with the incoming Trump administration. On the campaign trail, Donald Trump vowed to revoke Obama's executive actions on immigration, including one that has shielded more than 740,000 young undocumented immigrants from being deported and gave them permits to work legally. With Trump's surprise election earlier this year, Democrats on Capitol Hill and immigrant advocates have been urging the President-elect to back off those threats.

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D.O.A. at the GOP Congress and Trump White House.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-30 06:00 PM | Reply

DOA

#2 | Posted by tmaster at 2016-11-30 07:05 PM | Reply

I doubt it is DOA. Shutting down criminal havens ("sanctuary cities"), deporting criminal aliens, strengthening the borders, enhancing vetting and enforing existing laws can be bargained against amnesty.

I expect at least a limited amnesty, such as for Dreamers, has a real chance of happening. But not right away. The immigration fights are going to happen sequentially.

#3 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-11-30 08:41 PM | Reply

The anti-Trump Republicans will be an interesting force the next 4 years. He needs them to pass legislation, but they can credibly threaten to vote with the Dems on some issues he cares about.

#4 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-11-30 10:33 PM | Reply

Any responsible person who says that they will end illegal immigration is either a fool or a liar.

Immigrants come here to work. Someone is giving them a job. Those employers contribute to the farm lobby.

Those employers will do whatever they can to retain the source of cheap labor.

#5 | Posted by kudzu at 2016-12-01 06:08 AM | Reply

BTW, the previous 2 Dream Act bills were also written by repubs (establishment repubs).

#6 | Posted by kudzu at 2016-12-01 06:10 AM | Reply

I support letting them fulfill their dreams all they want on the southern side of the Rio Grande.

#7 | Posted by cookfish at 2016-12-01 06:45 AM | Reply

Immigrants come here to work. Someone is giving them a job. -- #5 | Posted by kudzu

Exactly. We could end illegal immigration today if we went after the employers. But both parties are committed to protecting wealthy folks who don't want to pay living wages.

#8 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-12-01 06:52 AM | Reply

Someone is giving them a job. -- #5 | Posted by kudzu

Trump.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2016-12-01 07:25 AM | Reply

Exactly. We could end illegal immigration today if we went after the employers.

#8 | POSTED BY PHOENIX AT 2016-12-01 06:52 AM | REPLY

No, you can't. The vast, overwhelming majority of the time, an employer doesn't know they hired an illegal immigrant. They are given fake socials that pass e-verify and later get flagged for errors once it's payroll tax time.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-12-01 07:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"...and later get flagged for errors once it's payroll tax time."

So...no one can stay at a job for more than a quarter-year?

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-12-01 07:58 AM | Reply

Never thought I'd be saying that I support Lindsey Graham but I definitely do on this. The Dreamers aren't responsible for their plight, they've obeyed the laws, gone to school, become good citizens. The United States should never become some mean spirited nation that we would deport them to countries they don't have any recollection of ever living in. Somehow, this nation has to retain some level of compassion even in an era of Trump. Thank you Lindsey Graham.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-01 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg

E-Verify mandates tried in Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi and South Carolina have proven ineffective. In those states, all new hires are supposed to be run through E-Verify, but only 54 percent actually were in 2013. www.cato.org

Why aren't those employers who disregarded the mandate in jail?

If either party ever got serious about prosecuting employers, we'd have a working, affordable citizenship verification system and we'd enforce requirements that employers use it. Where's the Republican outrage over unfair competition from domestic companies that cheat?

#13 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-12-01 08:49 AM | Reply

gramnsty is an idiot.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2016-12-01 11:54 AM | Reply

If you are going to go after the employers you must also go after government. NO government services for those who are here illegally. None. Both have to be done in tandem.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-01 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you are going to go after the employers you must also go after government. NO government services for those who are here illegally. None. Both have to be done in tandem.

Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-01 12:11 PM | Reply

That's neither American nor is it Christian.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-12-01 12:15 PM | Reply

"NO government services for those who are here illegally. None. Both have to be done in tandem."

there is no reason at all that both things need to be connected. If kids are here in the U.S. it is good for the U.S. to make sure they eat, have healthcare services, homes and educations. When this country starts depriving kids of those things then we are no longer the nation we have always believed we are.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-01 12:27 PM | Reply

there is no reason at all that both things need to be connected. If kids are here in the U.S. it is good for the U.S. to make sure they eat, have healthcare services, homes and educations. When this country starts depriving kids of those things then we are no longer the nation we have always believed we are.

#17 | POSTED BY DANNI

So, let's take the jobs away and have the only reason people come here illegally and stay is so they can mooch off the government.

Can't have one without the other. Go after the jobs and you MUST go after government benefits too. You want to keep the bennies? Then keep the jobs.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-01 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you are going to go after the employers you must also go after government. NO government services for those who are here illegally. None. Both have to be done in tandem.
Posted by JeffJ at 2016-12-01 12:11 PM | Reply
That's neither American nor is it Christian.
#16 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

No, but its Republican.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-12-01 01:34 PM | Reply

Why aren't those employers who disregarded the mandate in jail?

Employment eligibility verification is a federal mandate. Why does the federal government not enforce its law? www.uscis.gov

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2016-12-01 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Myth #3: They drain the system
Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years."

money.cnn.com

#21 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-01 02:16 PM | Reply

For the record, Danni, I agree with you. I'm waiting for Republicans to drop the pretension that their antagonism toward illegal immigrants is anything but xenophobia. Interesting that the party of family values wants to deport portions of families and make life generally difficult for poor folks who are just trying to feed their kids, but doesn't even consider going after employers. Similarly, they rail against international trade because they're sure it's lowering U.S. wages, but don't demonize domestic employers who compete unfairly by hiring illegal immigrants under the table (low wages, no FICA).

#22 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-12-01 04:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From what I see of the Republicans in this nation is that they are the most mean spirited bunch of hypocrites ever to exist in this nation. I can't say I have an ounce of respect for any of them and that actually does sadden me. They don't care about the poor girl who has an abortion, no they demonize her. they don't care about the young man or woman who has lived here virtually their entire life and has obeyed the laws and gotten an education. Let's face it folks, the Republicans in this country really only care about themselves, how they can become richer and to hell with everyone else. Only time they pretend otherwise is when they need some poor fool kid to go fight their unnecessary wars, then they wave their stupid flags and pin medals on the poor fools. When they come home battered, confused or mutilated they offer as little help as possible because it might cost them a little bit of money in taxes. They totally disgust me. Richard Nixon is the epitome of the Republican Party, he represents who all of your are.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2016-12-02 08:58 AM | Reply

Sen. Lindsey Graham is probably hoping to keep his illegal immigrant poolboy, landscaper, and secret lover stateside.

Notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat.

#24 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-02 10:10 AM | Reply

Trump doesn't need any legislation passed to enforce existing laws.

#25 | Posted by Petrous at 2016-12-02 12:33 PM | Reply

So...no one can stay at a job for more than a quarter-year?

#11 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

It's more than a year or two. My ID was stolen. It takes a good year or two before the State was asking about undeclared wages.
By the time you find the employer reporting it, the time has passed, and the criminal has fled.

Then you find your credit report is screwed up by the illegal.

The illegal steals identity, falsifies records, takes a job a legal person could have gotten, etc.

Best thing to do is declare all income, assets, property obtained illegally and have it declared forfeit.
Sold, the money is used to remove the criminal and hopefully there is enough to pay the gov't's costs in dealing with it and curing the injuries caused.

Employers knowingly hiring an illegal should also face penalty, and forfeiture of any gain obtained through the crime.

#26 | Posted by Petrous at 2016-12-02 12:38 PM | Reply

"The Dreamers aren't responsible for their plight, they've obeyed the laws" -Danni

Are Dreamers the children born in the US with illegally entering parents and therefore US Citizens?
Or are Dreamers those that entered the country illegally. That's not obeying the law.

#27 | Posted by Petrous at 2016-12-02 12:40 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by Petrous

So in your eyes, a child who was 3 years old when his parents brought him into the country illegally is a criminal?

#28 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-12-02 01:21 PM | Reply

Is the child/adult legally in the US?

#29 | Posted by Petrous at 2016-12-02 01:30 PM | Reply

Is the child/adult legally in the US? -- #29 | Posted by Petrous

No. So you're saying a 7-year-old in the U.S. because her parents brought her here is a criminal?

#30 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-12-02 01:53 PM | Reply

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