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President-elect Donald Trump will select former Goldman Sachs executive and hedge funder Steve Mnuchin to be his Secretary of the Treasury. Mnuchin, who served as Trump's campaign finance director, left Goldman Sachs after 17 years for a series of hedge funds. He also financed several blockbuster superhero movies. Jordan Weissman of Slate writes, "Trump has already made clear his intentions to let Wall Street run wild. Picking Mnuchin, a successful journeyman financier loathed by parts of the left, is another assurance that the industry will be treated just fine under the new regime."

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Suckers.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 09:48 PM | Reply

Suckers. #1 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Very poignant criticism of Mr Mnuchin, his experience, and his qualifications for this position.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 09:53 PM | Reply

I'm sure he was highly educated by listening to Hillary Clinton's evil speeches.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Drain the swamp.... ahahahahahahahaha

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2016-11-29 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His employer paid top dollar for those educational speeches by that evil woman!

#5 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:07 PM | Reply

Drain the swamp.... #4 | POSTED BY 726

Yes. His bio and past professional experience paints him as a government outsider to the Treasury department.

Perchance you will be able to detail your criticisms (if you have any), on this likely hire for the Trump administration?

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:18 PM | Reply

So the story is that Hillary and Obama being associated with Goldman Sachs is because they are evil, owned, and in bed with the oligarchs and banksters?

Donald, doing exactly the same thing, is just using sound human resources management?

Enjoy playing 24/7 defense for the next 4 years... it'll be hard werk.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

is because they are evil, owned, and in bed with the oligarchs and banksters?

This is a low-IQ, low hanging fruit critique used by the "Occupy Wallstreet" crowd. $GS is just a company which hires the top graduates of academic institutions across the nation, who often leave Goldman after a few years to start business ventures of their own.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:24 PM | Reply

A serious question for anti-Trump lefties:

Were y'all expecting Trump to hire Jimbobs from BFE for cabinet positions?

If the only critique of Steve Mnuchin is that he worked at a bank which gives Occupy Wallstreeters a derangement syndrome, before he created his own company, then that is alright.

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Very poignant criticism of Mr Mnuchin, his experience, and his qualifications for this position.

He's the definition of the same establishment and status quo that has been ---- over Trump's voters for years.

You know, the same people he said he wouldn't hire to get the rubes to vote for him.

How is that for criticism?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-29 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

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Were y'all expecting Trump to hire Jimbobs from BFE for cabinet positions?

No, but I bet a lot of the Jimbobs who voted for him did. Frankly, the idea he had to staff a cabinet was probably a surprise to Donald.

I'm not sure... did Donald make it clear that when he said he was going to "drain the swamp" he meant replacing all the lawyers in DC with billionaire bankers from NYC?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 10:33 PM | Reply

FSUStooge, you are one special type of oblivious. Don't you understand that the complaint about both Obama and Hillary is that they were too chummy with Goldman Sachs and Wall Street and now you're praising Trump for employing one of their alumni? Look up Tim Geithner and compare his resume and experience to Mnuchin and get back to me. He was pilloried for years by Obama's critics and he safely navigated the return of our economy without collapsing the global markets. What's Mnunchin done of note outside his career-launching legacy position other than work for George Soros?

Do you have any memory of what just happened over the last 8 years? Hillary secret paid speeches to Goldman Sachs meant she was in cahoots with the wrong crowd remember, that's what you were saying just 25 days ago. Don't get me wrong, you're thinking exactly the correct way as long as the person isn't simply a shill for the bankers. Too bad the same ones praising Trump's selection today happened to decried Obama's choice 8 years ago. Coincidence I'm sure.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-29 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Loyalty:
Financier Steven Mnuchin helped oversee the creation of a network of small donors that let the Trump campaign compete successfully against the better-funded Hillary Clinton operation...

[Loyalty is important]

History of bipartisan involvement:
Mr. Mnuchin [has] a history of donating more money to Democrats than Republicans. He nonetheless signed onto Mr. Trump's campaign and took the post of national finance chairman, to the chagrin of some top Clinton fundraisers.

[This means that Mnuchin will be easily approved by the Senate]

Treasury post is intersection btwn govt & mkts:
Now Mr. Trump is taking his loyalty to Mr. Mnuchin a giant step further, giving him control over broad swaths of the nation's economy. When Mr. Trump is sworn in Jan. 20, the success of his presidency will rest as much in Mr. Mnuchin's hands as those of any other presidential appointee...

The Treasury secretary is the chief navigator of the nation's economy, overseeing the collection of taxes, the imposition of foreign sanctions, managing the public debt and serving as the chief connection between the administration and the financial markets and the business community.
www.wsj.com

#13 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't get me wrong, you're thinking exactly the correct way as long as the person isn't simply a shill for the bankers. #12 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

A big challenge with Treasury department personnel is that it is

1) difficult to please all sections of any coalition comprising a political party
2) impossible to throw anyone with minimal experience in the financial sector into the role.
3) experience in this case gives the individual a bad "rep." Although, i will argue that inexperience and unfamiliarity with the sector and office roles would be seriously dangerous for the domestic economy and US financial mkts.

4) at the end of the day, the individual put in the role serves at the pleasure of the President.

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bonus before turning in for the night:

I'm imagining a "Drain the Swamp" Treasury department candidate as being someone learning QuickBooks via YouTube tutorial and receiving a pop-up message saying "Congrats, you've been selected!"

...and that is how Jimbob "Coach" Jackson II (accts manager at the rural general store), became a Treasury Secretary.

#15 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 11:04 PM | Reply

Gono gonna have a loooong 4 years.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 11:35 PM | Reply

Old rule:

Hillary Clinton gives speeches to Goldman Sachs = bad.

New rule:

Donald Trump hires Steve Bannon and Steve Mnuchin, two former Goldman Sachs executives = good.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-30 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And yet another Republican talking point bites the eternal dust.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-30 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What kind of name is "Munchin"?

It reminds me of an old video console game I had for the Magnavox Odyssey - KC Munchkin.

It was a rip-off of Pac Man but it was a cool game nonetheless. The game had a feature that allowed you to construct your own screen maze. THAT was really cool.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-30 12:30 AM | Reply

Mnuchin is the epitome of Wall Street insider, having been raised as the son of a Goldman Sachs partner and working for the company between 1985 and 2002. Even in spite of Wall Street's bad reputation with blue-collar America following the global financial crash of 2008, Mnuchin proudly embraces his colleagues in the financial sector.

"I wouldn't in any way say I distanced myself from Wall Street," Mnuchin told the New York Times. "I have very good friends on Wall Street."

As a banker, Mnuchin's record shows he has a rather crass attitude towards salt-of-the-earth Americans, having presided over banks that aggressively foreclosed on homeowners in the wake of the financial crisis and was caught discriminating against black and latino mortgage applicants

Mnuchin also made off with a $3.2 million windfall he secured as a result of Bernie Madoff's infamous Ponzi scheme, which defrauded investors out of billions. Financial enforcers allowed Mnuchin to keep his ill-gotten gains, as he and his brother were able to pull out of the Ponzi scheme before it fell apart. Lawsuits by investors defrauded by Madoff to recoup that money were unsuccessful due to statute of limitation loopholes.

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#20 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-11-30 01:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yet another Republican talking point bites the eternal dust.

#18 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2016-11-30 12:23 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

No it won't. In four years they will regurgitate it endlessly during the campaign. And the morons will lap it up.

Good to see Gono getting a head start on the tap dance to excuse the hypocrisy that will be flowing for the next four years.

I can't wait to see him tap dance around not building the wall.

#21 | Posted by 726 at 2016-11-30 08:26 AM | Reply

Enjoy playing 24/7 defense for the next 4 years... it'll be hard werk. #7 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I'll admit, I could never match the stamina of corky or others on this site.

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-30 08:58 AM | Reply

So the story is that Hillary and Obama being associated with Goldman Sachs is because they are evil, owned, and in bed with the oligarchs and banksters?

Donald, doing exactly the same thing, is just using sound human resources management?

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-29 10:19 PM

That was pretty much the excuse you guys made for Geithner, et al. Sucked then, sucks now.

#23 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-30 09:13 AM | Reply

Lol, any WS rep Hill would have named would be praised here. If that exact same person was nominated by Trump he'd be trash here. Does the Dr left see their hypocrisy? Of course not.

So tell us who should he have nominated? Maxine Walter's, Elizabeth Warren?

#24 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 12:49 PM | Reply

Btw I hear Obama is blaming Fox news for Clinton's loss. That's funny, after he made the election all about the continuation of his policies. The leader of the free world, beat by one cable news channel

#25 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 12:51 PM | Reply

any WS rep Hill would have named would be praised here.

While I don't dispute Hillary being a corporatist.

She wouldn't have been so brazen as to actually hire a Goldman Sacs exec for US Treasurer.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-11-30 12:53 PM | Reply

Does the Dr left see their hypocrisy? Of course not.

Will you guys ever wise up as to how stupid and childish this response is?

Yes, Hillary would have likely appointed someone similar. However, that was not only expected but it was a Trump campaign pillar that one shouldn't vote for her because she would appoint a Wall Streeter and that he wouldn't.

It's time to grow up Dave and other righties. Instead of lashing out and idiotically bleating "but Hillary would have done it too" realize how big of an idiot you are for voting for alt-Hillary because he said he wasn't Hillary only to defend him for being Hillary because Hillary would have been Hillary.

You. People. Are. Phenomenally. Stoopid.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-30 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Here Is Who Donald Trump Wants for Treasury Secretary (Mnuchin)

by Dan Primack @danprimack JULY 16, 2016

Fortuna mag
fortune.com

....Hillary Clinton won't rule out Wall St. Treasury Secretary
by Heather Long @byHeatherLong
February 8, 2016: 2:54 PM ET
CNN

#30 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 03:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

As a banker, Mnuchin's record shows he has a rather crass attitude towards salt-of-the-earth Americans, having presided over banks that aggressively foreclosed on homeowners in the wake of the financial crisis and was caught discriminating against black and latino mortgage applicants

Conveniently left out of the newly found hate for Mnuchin that the DR Left is heaping on him is the fact that he actually worked with their Demi-God, George Soros, for a number of years, and Soros was involved in the OneWest Bank investment that they are trying to smear him with (from Dave's article):

Mnuchin, who is a former donor to Hillary Clinton, spent 17 years with Goldman Sachs, where his father also had been a prominent executive. He later worked with investment groups affiliated with George Soros, including as chairman of controversial mortgage lender OneWest Bank Group (which would later be acquired by CIT Group).
The Ally/OneWest attack will fall apart pretty quickly in light of the following:
A gang made up of some of Wall Street's biggest names and formed by former Goldman Sachs partner Steve Mnuchin is set to realize a big score from the sale of OneWest Bank to CIT Group CIT +1.99% for $3.4 billion.

Hedge fund billionaires John Paulson and George Soros were part of the group that together with buyout baron Christopher Flowers and billionaire Michael Dell bought the assets in 2009 of the former IndyMac, one of the nation's largest bank failures ever, from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which had seized its assets. The group paid $1.55 billion for the bank in the teeth of the financial crisis. The deal to sell the bank to CIT Group was announced Tuesday. (Fortune, JUL 22, 2014)

Funny how that "crass attitude towards salt-of-the-earth Americans" extended to Soros as well.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-11-30 03:58 PM | Reply

Soros backed OWS

#33 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

32 you've highlighted a point I've made here, and learned during the s&l crisis. One, it costs far more to liquidate banks then the average person thinks. Two, the real money is made by those acquiring the assets. Three the gov does a horrible job at valuing assets and sells them at fire sale prices. And four, the toughest to take, it's often those closest to the failures that make the most money in the restructuring!

#34 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 04:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Don't you understand that the complaint about both Obama and Hillary is that they were too chummy with Goldman Sachs and Wall Street and now you're praising Trump for employing one of their alumni?

He understands it perfectly. We're just supposed to forget that Goldman Sachs has been Trump's favorite example of the evils of Wall Street for a year.

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-30 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is the conundrum. Many of the very best and brightest minds go to work on Wall Street. Many of the best and brightest minds on Wall Street end up at Goldman Sachs. Once there, almost by definition, they become the insiders and the elitists protecting the 0.1%. So where do President go to find the best and brightest economic minds to serve on the Treasury or as Trade Representative? Goldman Sachs. Round and round we go.

We elected Trump to drain "the swamp". Presumably that meant enough with elitist GS affiliated bankers. Though Gonoles was being sarcastic, the truth is many of Trump's were indeed hoping he would hire JimBob from BFE. An outside voice and viewpoint. Drain the swamp already.

#36 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-11-30 05:50 PM | Reply

35 Earth to rcade, I provided you with a link proving he floated this name in June. [...]

#37 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When Trump was running against Ted Cruz, he said this: "I know the guys at Goldman Sachs. They have total, total control over him. Just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton."

Trump's choice of a former Goldman Sachs exec is one more sign that he's a complete fake. He attacked Goldman Sachs and Wall Street bankers on the campaign trail all the time to trick the rubes into thinking he's a populist looking out for them.

#38 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-30 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I think it serves you right for the "I won" narcissist who had no desire to bargain w Republicans whatsoever

#40 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-11-30 08:17 PM | Reply

Anyone else see Steve Mnuchin's fiancé?

Our Treasury Secretary struck gold 😉
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#41 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-30 08:28 PM | Reply

So a very rich guy has a hot fiance? Quelle surprise

#42 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-30 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Republicans;

Not gonna bring jobs back. At least not for the people that vote for them.

#43 | Posted by klifferd at 2016-12-01 06:15 AM | Reply

Mnuchin's Wall Street record strikes a sharp contrast with the populist themes Mr. Trump's campaign alluded to, railing against big banks and vowing to close tax loopholes that benefit hedge funds.

Mnuchin and his family pocketed about $3.2 million in fake profit before convicted con man Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme collapsed. Part of the money that was never returned to victims because it was taken out in time.

Mnuchin and his partners bought IndyMac on the condition that the FDIC agreed to pay future losses above a threshold. They renamed it OneWest Bank and, after running it for six years, they sold it for a profit of about $1.5 billion, of which $1 billion came from the FDIC.

OneWest foreclosed on more than 36,000 homeowners under Mnuchin. The FDIC made payments to OneWest totaling more $1 billion. Those payments went to the "billionaire investors of OneWest Bank, to cover the cost of foreclosing on working-class Americans. If those were "costs", how did they become "profits"?

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said, " Mnuchin is the Forrest Gump of the financial crisis, he managed to participate in all the worst practices on Wall Street."

Mnuchin's appointment is evidence Trump has no intention of fulfilling his campaign promise to "drain the swamp" of corporate lobbyists and Wall Street executives.

#44 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-12-01 07:49 AM | Reply

You're cut and past is meaningless nut. At least cite the source next time

#45 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-12-01 08:22 AM | Reply

"meaningless" as in fact free I suppose you think?

so sorry wavey, Commondreams, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal and NPR

#46 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-12-01 09:24 AM | Reply

This is a low-IQ, low hanging fruit critique used by the "Occupy Wallstreet" crowd. $GS is just a company which hires the top graduates of academic institutions across the nation, who often leave Goldman after a few years to start business ventures of their own.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-29 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its also a criminal organization whose "too big to fail" status makes them above the law. This is not hyperbole. This is a documented fact.

Can't have it both ways. Can't be caught red handed perpetrating wide scale fraud that harmed the entire nation and then turn around and expect everyone to pretend you are respectable, "best and brightest" business people.

An organization that engages in crime is a criminal organization. The execs may be smart people but they are still crooks. People who don't want to guilty by assocation should choose not to work for crooks. Nothing is unfair about calling Goldman Sachs what it is or having a negative view of its alums.

#47 | Posted by Sully at 2016-12-01 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

People were concerned that Hillary would govern on behalf of the billionaires on Wall Street so they voted to be governed BY the billionaires on Wall Street.

Yipppppppppppeeeeeeee!!

#48 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-12-01 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats and Clinton supporters aren't angry that he chose someone what worked on wall street or at Goldman specifically. We are angry at the blatant hypocrisy of the right that demonized just giving a speech to that organization as a mischaracterization of being beholden to that group of people while simultaneously defending someone from that exact organization they were just using as a cudgel. The vast majority of Trump voters have said getting wallstreet out of government was the one thing Trump could do because he didn't have ties to them politically so now that he is appointing them into positions of power, why aren't his supporters up in arms about him going back on his campaign promises. One of the main ones. Draining the swamp meant getting rid of people connected to money and political influence and governing from a place outside that position. Instead he has put the exact same people, most of them billionaires themselves, into his cabinet and other positions of power thus insuring the worst parts of the status quo continue.

#49 | Posted by Zeus at 2016-12-01 12:32 PM | Reply

the right that demonized just giving a speech to that organization as a mischaracterization of being beholden to that group of people while simultaneously defending someone from that exact organization they were just using as a cudgel.

You make some good points, but at least on a personal level for this Trump voter, I took issue with how HRC went around Wall Street grovelling for cash, both on the "speaking circuit," and fundraising for her well-monied presidential campaign. In both of those cases, there were opportunities for financiers to buy small parts of influence over HRC, or at least spend $30,000 for a dinner plate and photo op.

The difference with Trump is that his campaign wasn't financed to any degree close to HRC's campaign by Wall Street donors. Choosing an individual who once worked as a cog in the machine of a corporation before they created their own business, doesn't have a similar possible conflict of interest as was available with the HRC campaign. Ergo, the comparison between the two is dissimilar, as Trump has been able to keep himself more independent from such monied donors from the outset.

#50 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-01 12:40 PM | Reply

The difference with Trump is that his campaign wasn't financed to any degree close to HRC's campaign by Wall Street donors. Choosing an individual who once worked as a cog in the machine of a corporation before they created their own business, doesn't have a similar possible conflict of interest as was available with the HRC campaign. Ergo, the comparison between the two is dissimilar, as Trump has been able to keep himself more independent from such monied donors from the outset.

#50 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

He promised to be a reformer. Apparently he lied.

#51 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-12-01 01:32 PM | Reply

#51, Sycophant:

And as a person who did not vote for Trump, what sort of reform did you have in mind?

Nationalization of the banks? Lmao

#52 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-12-01 01:37 PM | Reply

Nationalization of the banks would have been a first step in holding criminal bankers accountable. None have been. This approach did wonders for Iceland. The State run Bank of North Dakota is a screaming success returning 17% profits into State coffers, reducing public works projects by anywhere from half to 1/10, depending on how crooked the private financial sector that usually is involved is.

#53 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-12-01 03:01 PM | Reply

Just what the country needs-- another Muslim sec of Treasury.

#54 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2016-12-01 03:17 PM | Reply

Once again, if Hillary had nominated him (the Clinton campaign asked him to take a very similar job in her campaign) the DR Left would be creaming themselves, pointing out that he left GS and became a Movie Producer here in LA and to ignore his past, since he had obviously changed (see Bannon thread.)

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-12-01 11:16 PM | Reply

...if Hillary had nominated him (the Clinton campaign asked him to take a very similar job in her campaign) the DR Left would be creaming themselves...

... and the DR Right would be having a shit fit. Now they are not.

So what's your point?

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-12-01 11:32 PM | Reply

It reminds me of an old video console game I had for the Magnavox Odyssey - KC Munchkin.

It was a rip-off of Pac Man but it was a cool game nonetheless. The game had a feature that allowed you to construct your own screen maze. THAT was really cool.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-30 12:30 AM

The problem with that game was the moving 'dots' and 'KC' got so fast that the processor often couldn't register them being 'eaten' and they'd just shoot right through your munchkin.

#57 | Posted by avigdore at 2016-12-02 12:51 PM | Reply

53 now you sound like Danni. I'm on record here being strongly against that. But I did say the gov should have taken equity interests in the weakest.

Oh they did lol and sold them out for chump change. See 34.

Dodd Frank was a dem creation and all it did was make all the banks the same, added huge costs, reduced net loans, and cemented tbtf. And as usual the left complains about the unintended consequences.... The very same consequences we warned you about repeatedly.

The funny part is how the left refused to bargain, insisted on ramming it thru, and now are upset with the results of their sole, partisan actions

#58 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-12-02 01:54 PM | Reply

Dodd Frank was a dem creation and all it did was make all the banks the same, added huge costs, reduced net loans, and cemented tbtf. And as usual the left complains about the unintended consequences.... The very same consequences we warned you about repeatedly.
The funny part is how the left refused to bargain, insisted on ramming it thru, and now are upset with the results of their sole, partisan actions

#58 | POSTED BY DAVETHEWAVE

Enlighten us with which part of Dodd Frank you disagree with.

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-12-02 05:04 PM | Reply

Once again, if Hillary had nominated him (the Clinton campaign asked him to take a very similar job in her campaign) the DR Left would be creaming themselves, pointing out that he left GS and became a Movie Producer here in LA and to ignore his past, since he had obviously changed (see Bannon thread.)

#55 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

No, they wouldn't, idiot. That's why Dems stayed home on election day and Orange Jesus was elected. Dems in large part don't like Hillary because she is seen as Wall Street friendly rather than the populist that Obama was.

You are so clueless, its pathetic.

And yet you elected a guy who pretended he was different. Rube.

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-12-02 05:06 PM | Reply

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